IRC log for #brlcad on 20071024

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13:34.46 Z80-Boy brlcad: with motion of the mouse, one can rotate the edited object left-right and up down
13:34.56 Z80-Boy but one cannot rotate the view in a corkscrew fashion
13:35.13 Z80-Boy but I figured out if I do circles with the mouse, the view rotates slowly in a corkscrew fashion
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13:48.57 yukonbob hello, whirled
13:49.30 yukonbob ?Is 7.11.0 the same code as 7.10.4 -- I was using HEAD and getting 7.10.3, but my latest update has mged showing it's 7.11.0
13:58.28 ``Erik <PROTECTED>
14:00.42 ``Erik and the MINOR for head was bumped on oct 17
14:00.57 ``Erik even though the stable branch forked a fair bit before
14:20.39 yukonbob ``Erik: ok -- I'll regrab -r 7
14:20.51 yukonbob * -r 7.10
14:43.42 yukonbob ``Erik: ?what tag should I be using for following 7.10.4 (and later stables)
14:43.55 yukonbob -r7.10 doesn't look like it ...
15:04.34 brlcad -r rel-7-10-4
15:04.56 brlcad cvs status -v README (or any other file) will tell you the available tags
15:05.03 yukonbob ;)
15:05.05 yukonbob thx
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15:06.09 yukonbob *7.11.0
15:16.30 ``Erik ah ha, I understand the tcl version issue
15:17.45 yukonbob brlcad: I should be able to pick -r rel-7-10, and pick all 7.10.* as they are branched, no?
15:18.40 brlcad yukonbob: did you see a branch in the status -v ? :)
15:19.00 brlcad there's not a branch for all revs, only generally as/if needed
15:19.18 brlcad STABLE is the branch 7.10.4 somes from
15:20.12 brlcad and even then, checking out a branch in cvs isn't like checking out a branches dir in svn where you get all the revs
15:20.28 brlcad you get the endpoint on that branch, whatever the latest is
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19:26.00 ``Erik heh
19:26.19 ``Erik nice to know that the official release date of 7.10.4 was 2007-10-XX according to the news file :> *duck*
19:37.21 yukonbob for the record, liked w/ 7.11.0 that errors/warnings went to stdout (err?) from shell where launched, and not into mged... though there are considerations for Windows (certainly) and MacOS (is =< OS9 supported?) potentially with that...
20:01.24 ``Erik that's a bug, bob
20:01.41 ``Erik the output to stdout/stderr... it SHOULD be captured
20:13.18 brlcad it is kinda neat for some things, but yeah .. that's entirely an unintentional bug atm
20:13.31 ``Erik hrmmmm
20:13.32 yukonbob hrmm... feature, bug... ;)
20:13.39 ``Erik when're you uploading the 7.10.4 source tarballs?
20:13.42 brlcad and pre Mac OS X is only supported if someone else wants to work on it, we're certainly not
20:13.54 brlcad yeah
20:14.03 brlcad have to bump the tag on two files
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20:14.20 brlcad was uploading when ran into the two 'issues'
20:14.25 ``Erik doh
20:14.52 ``Erik what issues?
20:15.11 brlcad date and .so
20:15.54 brlcad yukonbob: there is a -f flag to not automatically detach
20:16.09 brlcad stays in the (-f)oreground
20:16.32 yukonbob brlcad: ah -- there I go ;)
20:18.34 ``Erik you mean other than the mob of grizzled old army workers showing up at your door with linolium knives looking for a chunk?)
20:19.16 yukonbob ``Erik: heh :)
20:19.51 brlcad yukonbob: it's a good idea, been talked about in the past -- is kinda rather contrary to most open source *nix software; you see it a lot more common with commercial *nix software
20:20.44 yukonbob Error: to many double negatives to be sure what you're saying.
20:21.01 yukonbob you mean it's normal in commercial *nix to have things detach...
20:21.02 yukonbob ?
20:21.03 ``Erik the src/other directory is also more of a proprietary-land type move :/
20:22.16 yukonbob *too many double...
20:30.08 brlcad yukonbob: yeah, more normal in commercial apps to detach automatically
20:30.15 brlcad particularly for big gui apps
20:31.07 CIA-27 BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * 10brlcad/src/other/incrTcl/ (122 files in 17 dirs): Upgrade to itcl/itk 3.3
20:36.21 yukonbob brlcad: just talking about reverse order of "default" operations, but "default" depends on commerical vs. non-comm. apparently, and "contrary", etc., etc... just making sure I'm clear.
20:37.19 yukonbob anyway, we're clear now :)
20:37.48 yukonbob I think I got a new error w/ mged and large dsp maps -- has that code been touched, or is this maybe only a side-effect from some other code adjustments?
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21:24.20 yukonbob mged-*-bomb.log -- to where should this be filed?
21:24.51 ``Erik um, it doesn't say in it? :D
21:25.46 yukonbob nowhere obvious...
21:25.57 ``Erik well poo on brlcad, email it to him :D
21:26.02 yukonbob ;)
21:26.03 ``Erik or paste it into, uh, pastebin.bzflag.bz
21:35.28 brlcad of course it doesn't say - it's just a crash report -- the next step is bombardier which will give the option to automatically send in the report
21:39.06 CIA-27 BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * 10brlcad/src/other/libpng/ (54 files in 2 dirs): upgrade to 1.2.22 ("A new bug with decoding iCCP chunks was fixed.")
21:39.29 ``Erik tcl85b1 changed how the Var hashing is handled and the latest incrtcl doesn't cope with that... but it's fixed in CVS :/
21:39.47 ``Erik to import tcl85, we'd have to use bits of incr from cvs
21:40.25 brlcad go for it
21:40.34 ``Erik blehhhhhhhh
21:41.10 ``Erik I have tcl and tk 85b1 building ok in my checkout, but I'm not terribly keen on the notion of picking and choosing bits from incr's head
21:41.56 brlcad would updating to 85b1 in our checkout fix it?
21:42.00 ``Erik (oddly enough, it seems to compile if you have tcl85 installed on the system... I'm wondering if it was snagging my 84 headers)
21:42.07 ``Erik no, that's what breaks it
21:42.35 brlcad we have a6 in the repo still
21:42.40 ``Erik I have 85b1 in my checkout, I can commit and we'd have it... but incr ... is behind
21:43.17 brlcad how can it fail saying it wants a6 if there is no a6? :)
21:43.30 ``Erik different issue
21:44.03 brlcad for the most part, the tcl core guys are keeping incrtcl up to date
21:44.09 brlcad and none of them like incrtcl
21:44.16 brlcad with a passion
21:44.27 brlcad even though it's by far the most popular extension
21:44.46 brlcad so they keep it up to date, but aren't likely to make a new release for it
21:44.51 ``Erik I put ${REINPLACE_CMD} 's/8\.5a6/8.5b1/' ${WRKSRC}/src/other/tcl/library/init.tcl in the post-patch bit for the port and that fixes it
21:45.21 brlcad heh
21:45.35 ``Erik but I'm off on straight BRL-CAD stuff now, updating stuff in other... I updated incr to 3.3 earlier, that's all good
21:46.06 ``Erik but when I upgrade to tcl8.5b1, the incr stuff breaks looking for things like refCount in the Var typedef in tclInt.h, which radically changed between 85a6 and b1
21:46.37 ``Erik (Var's are now held inside of a hash table instead of being part of a linked list)
21:46.38 yukonbob http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m234696fc
21:48.33 ``Erik erm, afaik, 7.10.4 requires tcl8.5 or better... 8.4 won't cut the mustard, just the cheese
21:53.42 yukonbob http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m2121d14e
21:56.05 yukonbob http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m71d1814f
21:57.00 yukonbob http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/meb2598c
22:15.29 brlcad yukonbob: hmmm.. heh. that crash is inside your 8.4 libtcl :)
22:15.41 brlcad maybe it doesn't quite fully work ;)
22:40.36 yukonbob brlcad: d'oh :)
22:43.04 yukonbob am I reading it right that it's actually a libpthread issue, called from NotifierThreadProc() in libtcl?
22:45.37 brlcad it's actually hard to say -- the stack doesn't look right for the primary thread
22:45.44 brlcad just happens to be the thread that crashed
22:46.04 yukonbob does brl-cad even take advantage of multithreading in Tcl?
22:46.12 brlcad i'll have to check on the gdb options to see if I can change that crash report to include all of the running threads
22:46.35 brlcad not in the tcl side, but mged does do some multithreading
22:46.59 brlcad e.g. that detaching from the console is done through a fork detachment
22:47.12 yukonbob (way this happened was to load up disappointment.dsp (which has always been a problem dsp for me) and list it "l dspmap")
22:47.33 brlcad ah, then I totally don't think that's the right crash report trace
22:47.38 brlcad just the current thread
22:48.40 yukonbob with a diff't .g, I can "l" the object no problem, so it's not strictly an 'l' condition (at least not for every 'l' condition)
22:49.20 brlcad can you repeat it?
22:49.28 brlcad or was it random?
22:50.29 CIA-27 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad 07STABLE * 10brlcad/src/other/tk/unix/Makefile.in: needs SHLIB_SUFFIX just like tcl's Makefile.in so we can have/know the suffix independent of the lib name
22:51.21 yukonbob hrmm... not this time on first try...
22:52.05 yukonbob we'll keep this under observation...
22:53.05 brlcad yeah, if you find the conditions to reproduce it, let me know..
22:56.04 yukonbob rock 'n' roll...
22:57.53 poolio evenin'
22:58.11 yukonbob evening...
22:58.22 CIA-27 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad 07STABLE * 10brlcad/NEWS: released on the 24th
22:59.48 poolio woohool
22:59.56 poolio You guys should've waited two days and released with Leopard
23:00.44 brlcad we'll probably still be making binaries by then for various platforms
23:16.19 ``Erik is it on sf yet? :D
23:21.59 butti hello boys
23:42.26 louipc good evening

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