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00:13.08 CIA-27 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/configure.ac:
00:13.08 CIA-27 BRL-CAD: don't just check whether the option is set to the default -- check if it's been
00:13.08 CIA-27 BRL-CAD: set at all so that you can use --enable-all with --disable options that may be
00:13.08 CIA-27 BRL-CAD: default 'no' already. ran into this situation trying to disable opennurbs
00:13.09 CIA-27 BRL-CAD: (which was already default off).
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00:17.24 IriX64 louipc, got anymore screenshots? i really liked that last one.
00:20.33 Supaplex is it your archnemesis?
00:20.51 IriX64 mayhap a dream :)
00:21.17 IriX64 a freaking system that works :)
00:22.25 Supaplex I hear paper and pencil are pretty reliable
00:22.55 IriX64 a system where libraries aren't called *.dll.a :(
00:23.58 ``Erik <-- pretty happy with the mac/fbsd combo, thinks brlcad is more or less in the same groove
00:24.25 IriX64 mmmm leopard beckons me if i switch
00:26.25 IriX64 man you guys are adamant about copying being untouchable aren't you
00:27.02 ``Erik ?
00:27.27 IriX64 autogen tries to copy COPYING and it gets permission denied
00:27.38 ``Erik it tries to copy OVER COPYING
00:27.40 ``Erik which'd be BAD
00:27.45 IriX64 ah
00:37.41 IriX64 i should read that someday, but why i don't plan to give anyone a copy
00:42.29 yukonbob *BSD++
00:54.39 louipc IriX64: http://louipc.dontexist.org/screenie.jpg that's how I usually work. confusing huh? I should probably get a 1px border around the windows
00:56.53 Supaplex wahou, I'm immortalized in a screenshot :D
00:57.45 louipc I usually don't keep them around for -too- long :P
00:58.09 Supaplex :)
00:59.02 louipc IriX64: yeah man you should try linux or bsd or something, get a cheap computer second hand or something if you don't want to mess with your main machine
00:59.57 IriX64 nice shot
01:00.08 IriX64 maybe ill switch
01:00.34 louipc it took me a long time to completely switch
01:00.50 IriX64 and now you're happy?
01:00.50 louipc maybe 3 yrs trying out various distros
01:00.58 louipc yeah now I'm totally good
01:01.15 IriX64 ill give it serious thought
01:09.20 IriX64 mmmm when i engage serious mode nothing happens ;)
01:14.46 ``Erik thinking hard *grunt*
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01:35.25 IriX64 ``Erik, mines more like *blank* :)
01:35.48 IriX64 hate firing blanks :)
01:36.16 louipc better than drawing one
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01:45.59 IriX64 tried but my pencil can't handle that :D
01:48.44 IriX64 what are you doing looking between my legs :)
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04:13.40 brlcad yeesh
04:16.29 CIA-27 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/ (11 files in 7 dirs): minor tweaks, preventive null terminating of strncmp'd strings
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04:42.36 louipc yeah what's up with freenode
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04:56.54 CIA-27 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/ (5 files in 2 dirs): the 'wall' procedural geometry generator tool was renamed to 'masonry' so as to not conflict with the commonly named 'wall' linux tool that writes a message to all users. source renamed from wall.c to masonry.c
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05:11.45 CIA-27 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/ (7 files in 2 dirs): rename the 'hd' hexdump utility to 'hex' as well given the similar linux facilities and cause for conflict/confusion. source renamed from hd.c to hex.c (and manpage in kind)
05:11.46 CIA-27 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/TODO: renamed wall and hd commands, someone(tm) should review what else other than our libs that might be common conflict cases where we don't have a justifiable basis/need to keep the name
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05:36.11 CIA-27 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/ (2 files in 2 dirs): obliterate BRL.MIL references
05:42.40 CIA-27 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/ (sh/cray.sh src/fb/cell-fb.1 src/lgt/lgt.1 src/libfb/libfb.3): more brl.mil references begone
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05:55.27 CIA-27 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/doc/ (5 files in 4 dirs): more address updating to avoid mil domain
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14:28.40 CIA-27 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/proc-db/Makefile.am: don't choke here if openNURBS is disabled!
14:35.02 ``Erik silly coder, "linebuffer[YYLMAX} = '\0';" just don't make sense :D
14:40.54 brlcad oop
14:41.30 ``Erik must be a little burdened at the moment
14:42.04 brlcad it's been having issues for over a day now
14:42.15 brlcad depends which slot we get
14:48.47 ``Erik ya in today? dave was in my office at 9 trying to organize a lunch posse
14:49.03 ``Erik he was a bit miffed that we didn't take him yesterday, heh
14:50.29 ``Erik http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/funny-pictures-bird-cat-cage.jpg
14:52.42 brlcad yeah, i'm in
14:56.05 ``Erik in the office, or in for lunch? :)
14:56.52 brlcad yep
14:57.18 ``Erik heh, I'm not a c++ programmer, I don't dig unresolvable ambiguity :D
15:00.04 ``Erik hum, cool, segfaults in mged
15:04.50 brlcad I was able to replicate the rt crash with a simple while loop on moss, on my laptop last night
15:05.03 ``Erik get a good -ggdb core file?
15:05.19 brlcad while [ $? -ne 0 ] ; do rt -F/dev/null db/moss.g all.g ; done
15:05.35 brlcad not really, same stack trace I always get
15:05.44 ``Erik erm
15:05.52 brlcad I mean, I have the trace, it's just not really insightful
15:05.59 ``Erik while true ; do rt ...
15:06.00 ``Erik :D
15:06.28 ``Erik but it was a -ggdb build, so you have all the arguments at every frame and can inspect them? or was the stack blown?
15:07.15 brlcad while true != while [ $? -ne 0 ]
15:08.00 brlcad stops as soon as it crashes
15:08.22 ``Erik o
15:08.35 ``Erik while true ; do ./rt ... || break; done :D
15:08.53 ``Erik that's kinda my normal form *shrug*
15:09.12 ``Erik of course, I build the command funny, I'm a vim user... so -o vi
15:09.41 brlcad which is of course no different :P
15:09.48 brlcad other than 11 chars vs 12 chars
15:10.06 ``Erik of course, more than 10 ways to skin a cat
15:10.54 ``Erik but I'd probably write the one time rt cmd, run it to make sure it does what I expect, then put the while true loop on it... then hop to the end and go "oh yeah, gotta break those" and put in the || break
15:11.09 ``Erik rabid kbd monkey powers, ACTIVATE!
15:11.42 ``Erik <-- ain't sayin' one is right or wrong, just noting his usual approach is different due to different ways of building "complex" commands :D
15:11.51 ``Erik I'm "special" O.o
15:12.07 ``Erik I'm also becoming a bit annoyed at all these mged crashes
15:13.03 brlcad fix em!
15:13.33 brlcad it's actually debuggable if you run with -f ..
15:15.21 ``Erik and with -c, which is what I'm ding
15:15.23 ``Erik doing
15:16.01 ``Erik less mouse action with -c :D
15:32.30 ``Erik heh
15:33.30 ``Erik that's a old but
15:33.31 ``Erik bug
15:33.45 CIA-27 BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * 10brlcad/src/mged/clone.c: add a break; to the -p option (been missing since the original import from GSI, wow)
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15:43.22 brlcad minute: I see you noticed the rate that your backups were growing :)
15:43.36 minute yeah
15:44.05 minute I realised they were pretty pointless since there are other systems in place. So instead I will just run one before everytime I modify the code.
15:44.38 brlcad could add rotation so they don't accumulate, just keep the last few
15:45.27 minute Possibly, I am working on a MySql\MediaWiki XML\Files backup system for a different project so once finished with that I will see about using it here or something maybe.
15:46.49 CIA-27 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/sh/make_dmg.sh: dynamically calculate the size that the DMG needs to be (since the 7.10.4 release already surpassed the 250MB barrier) .. and give me at least a minute to find that background image :)
15:46.57 brlcad mmm.. I've always wanted to dump out mediawiki content as doxbook xml so it could be stored in CVS
15:47.06 brlcad and bidirectionally edited
15:47.42 minute I know MediaWiki can be dumped as XML, but I don't suppose it would be doxbook compatible.
15:48.02 brlcad could be ... :)
15:48.38 minute I'll look into it if you like.
15:48.43 minute TBH it wouldn't be too much difficulty to write a simple parser since it is going to be similar.
15:48.48 brlcad that'd be awesome
15:48.54 brlcad yeah, the format is really pretty simple
15:49.19 brlcad there's not really any aspect of mediawiki markup that I can think of that doesn't directly translate to docbook
15:49.29 minute Cool, I'll have a look and see if I can find a way.
15:49.57 brlcad I know these guys worked out some of the reverse path already for blender
15:49.57 brlcad http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Meta/DocBook_to_Wiki
15:50.32 brlcad ooh, haven't seen this: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/DocBook_XML_export
15:51.09 minute "Note: this is a proposal page opened some years ago. No such feature exists in MediaWiki presently."
15:51.33 brlcad yeah, though it's pretty much exactly what I'm referring to :)
15:51.43 minute ahh
15:52.07 minute Which DocBook version are you using?
15:52.10 brlcad that coupled with the docbook-to-mediawiki and you'd have an exceptionally powerful round-trip system
15:53.13 brlcad i used 4.5 for years as it was the latest stable, but 5.0 is pretty much "done" and usable now
15:53.17 brlcad with some better features
15:53.24 brlcad xml version, not the sgml version
15:53.37 minute yeah, sgml is weird
15:54.53 minute How is LDAP going, btw?
15:55.01 brlcad wow, the make_pkg and make_dmg scripts I wrote over a year ago still work pretty much without a hitch
15:55.13 minute hehe
15:56.00 brlcad it's not gone anywhere since we went into release mode a week and a half ago .. I've been busy building and posting binaries, writing announcements
15:56.17 brlcad still not done, but the release has to go out
15:56.39 brlcad ldap is still next on my list though
15:56.54 minute ahh, ok
15:56.59 brlcad it really is the only thing remaining now other than testing the site on IE6 wo/ javascript
15:57.15 minute I'll do that now.
15:57.51 minute Ok, it is bad.
15:58.16 brlcad yeah, I just kicked it off here.. wow
15:58.35 brlcad i must have added some bad css or something
15:59.11 minute mm
15:59.18 minute Or IE is just crap ;)
15:59.21 minute Anyway...
15:59.30 minute I'll run it through some validators then take a look at the code.
16:01.13 PrezKennedy IE is the best!
16:03.42 PrezKennedy its like ive gone to the dark side or something
16:04.44 brlcad minute: here's what I see presently: http://my.brlcad.org/tmp/ie6.jpg
16:05.01 minute Same here
16:06.20 brlcad notably, no header images (which actually isn't that bad.. :), and some of the bottom bezel on the boxes are bad (oddly only some), the two incorrectly expanded menu/search sections, the missing upper search bar, and the massive fonts (which I cold probably live with)
16:08.11 brlcad weird.. it even got the correct hilight/shadow outline on the bottom search bezel and on the upper menu, but not on the other two...
16:08.40 brlcad interesting because the two that are right, I did "by hand", the other two weren't
16:09.16 brlcad mm.. 400MB mac universal binary installer..
16:09.20 brlcad biggest yet
16:10.29 ``Erik um, since media wiki stores in a mysql database, you could just mysqldump and put the results into RCS or CVS O.o
16:10.40 minute why?
16:10.54 minute What would be the point in that :S
16:11.02 ``Erik um, small footprint backups?
16:11.06 ``Erik :D
16:11.16 minute Ahh, ok.
16:11.16 ``Erik that can be edited and loaded, if necessary
16:11.28 brlcad i don't want backups, I want complete bidirectional editing
16:11.29 ``Erik sorry, talking while catching up, and people keep walking in and asking questions
16:11.35 ``Erik dump, edit, load
16:11.35 ``Erik :D
16:11.52 minute ``Erik: The trouble is passwords, email address, etc.
16:11.57 brlcad so I can edit **in a sensible format** with a text editor, or in mediawiki
16:12.19 ``Erik use a text editor that can make sql sensible? :> *duck*
16:12.23 brlcad editing mysql dumps is not what I'd consider a usable format
16:13.25 brlcad not for your average editing-person at least, docbook is pushing it but it at least has really good semantic structure and rich markup
16:13.48 brlcad pretty sure there's already an emacs mode for that ;)
16:14.05 minute brlcad: Is there some sort of caching on your server?
16:14.09 ``Erik for editing live sql fields in a running rdbms? O.o
16:14.11 ``Erik skeery
16:14.21 brlcad minute: what do you mean?
16:14.25 brlcad for the website?
16:14.26 ``Erik yup, emacs is a dandy os, only thing missing is a decent editor O:-)
16:14.28 minute Yeah
16:14.40 brlcad ah, drupal caches results to non-registered users
16:14.41 brlcad log in
16:14.55 minute mm
16:14.57 ``Erik rt matrices are the same order as opengl, right?
16:15.05 brlcad they only get updates once every few hours iirc
16:15.13 brlcad it's configurable (and can be turned off while you're testing if you want)
16:15.23 minute Ahh, it was chaching in MediaWiki and Drupal.
16:15.24 brlcad ``Erik: yeah
16:15.25 ``Erik "C natural" right hand, etc?
16:15.45 ``Erik opposed to the mathematical "fortran natural", or the abhorrent directx left hand, ... :D
16:15.50 brlcad do you have a solaris build of 7.10.4 on hand anywhere?
16:16.17 brlcad directx can suck my left-handed nut
16:16.28 ``Erik um, no, I had a HEAD build from a few weeks ago, um
16:16.35 ``Erik d'no if a temp reaper ate it
16:16.36 brlcad darn
16:16.55 brlcad widest is being a lil bitch on 7.10.4 for me
16:17.02 ``Erik hum
16:17.09 ``Erik using the GNU toolchain, or the ucb?
16:17.20 brlcad gnu
16:17.44 brlcad I tried it
16:17.52 ``Erik no go?
16:18.23 brlcad it booted up the install disk, booted solaris with good ol cde and did the install, but then when it was all done installing...
16:18.27 brlcad the installed image wouldn't boot
16:18.42 brlcad some issue finding the disk
16:18.49 brlcad probably parallels-specific
16:19.12 brlcad don't remember what happened with qemu
16:19.21 minute Mmm, the code for the website is in a really really bad shape.
16:19.26 ``Erik <parallels> �no mas!
16:19.54 brlcad minute: html errors?
16:20.12 minute Yeah, it is just awful in general. Mainly my fault though.
16:20.30 minute s/general/genreal aswell
16:20.43 brlcad I helped some I'm sure :)
16:20.51 minute :P
16:21.02 brlcad i mean, helping making it worse :)
16:21.18 minute Yeah
16:21.33 brlcad you're not supposed to agree!
16:21.40 minute hehe
16:21.41 brlcad j/k
16:22.41 brlcad the more I got into the css, the more I realized that it wasn't quite set up to work well with drupal's theming and content management
16:23.02 brlcad but! .. it does/did work, so it's something
16:23.10 ``Erik http://validator.w3.org/ http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/
16:23.13 ``Erik teh yayz
16:24.08 brlcad 7 errors and 98 warnings
16:24.09 minute sure
16:24.37 brlcad looks like one might even be a typo in the .css file
16:25.12 brlcad er, three of them even
16:25.28 brlcad that's probably why ie6 is throwing a fit
16:25.29 PrezKennedy brlcad, the construction company im contracted out to is doing the APG 715 Gate upgrade
16:25.40 brlcad nifty
16:25.56 minute Non the less a small rewrite would be nice.
16:26.36 brlcad yeah, would tighten up the css, could remove the fluff that's not needed any more
16:26.44 brlcad lots of duplication in there now
16:26.45 minute And that PHP...
16:26.52 minute YUCK is an understatement.
16:27.03 brlcad especially now that the "look" is pretty much settled now
16:27.57 minute Also I need to figure out some way to integrate the skin with gallery2, but gallery2 uses crappy TPL.
16:28.10 brlcad you have a pretty decent integration going now I thought
16:28.23 brlcad one style that applied to both nicely
16:28.24 minute With what?
16:28.27 minute yeah
16:28.31 brlcad good separation of the header, footer, etc
16:28.35 minute ahh
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16:30.09 minute The thing that is making this really tedious is the fact that I can't use Notepad++ or Notepad2 while editing the site due to the sudoing thing - I wish there was a way to fix that.
16:30.21 minute Well, not fix as such.
16:30.37 brlcad howso?
16:30.43 brlcad sudo -u www -s
16:30.52 minute But that doesn't work with SFTP.
16:31.00 brlcad ahh
16:31.26 brlcad hm, well if your umask is set, can just upload as you
16:31.39 minute hmm
16:31.45 minute Maybe there is a way afterall.
16:32.33 brlcad try now, fixed the mode on all the files so group perms work
16:32.46 brlcad a bunch were 622
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16:33.56 minute Oh wow.
16:33.57 minute It works.
16:33.59 minute Thanks!
16:36.48 minute Nope
16:37.20 minute hmm
16:39.05 minute brlcad: Are you doing anything to the site ATM?
16:49.11 minute Total rewrite it is, then.
16:49.19 minute Could be worse.
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18:55.14 CIA-27 BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * 10brlcad/src/librt/prep.c: rt_unprep() was using paths (i.e. a struct bu_ptbl) without being initialized. In fact, paths is never initialized. I'm guessing the intent was to use objs->paths.
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19:10.42 CIA-27 BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * 10brlcad/include/fbserv_obj.h: The fbsl_fd and fbsc_fd member types should be int.
19:14.35 CIA-27 BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * 10brlcad/src/mged/fbserv.c: If windows call closesocket() instead of close().
19:16.08 CIA-27 BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * 10brlcad/src/mged/mged_dm.h: The c_fd of struct client should be int.
19:17.32 CIA-27 BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * 10brlcad/src/mged/rtif.c: Using bu_fchmod() instead of fchmod.
19:17.58 brlcad minute-ssh: not doing anything with the site atm
19:18.03 brlcad nor back when you asked :)
19:19.19 brlcad lemme know if you have other permission problems, I just made you the owner of all the files
19:19.24 brlcad (all the skin files)
19:20.56 CIA-27 BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * 10brlcad/src/fbserv/fbserv.c: No longer calling close() in drop_client() because the call to pkg_close() already does this.
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19:26.31 CIA-27 BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * 10brlcad/src/tclscripts/ (archer/Archer.tcl lib/RtControl.tcl): Apparently Itk's Toplevel widget now wants the -menu option directly.
19:30.12 CIA-27 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/NEWS: bob found/fixed a memory deallocation bug in the raytracers
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19:33.43 brlcad MinuteElectron: lemme know if you need me to repeat what I'd said about the site :)
19:34.10 MinuteElectron Still in my scrollback, but I am currently rewriting the skin thing so it might be gone later.
19:34.33 brlcad okay, just said "no, not doing anything" and that you now own the files
19:34.47 brlcad lemme know if you have any other permission problems
19:35.05 MinuteElectron Ahh, so you saw the mess I got myself into then?
19:35.05 brlcad that shouldn't ever be a "problem" .. what is in place just works well for other projects
19:35.23 MinuteElectron Yeah
19:35.38 MinuteElectron I think I have worked out how the system works now.
19:35.40 brlcad no, I hadn't
19:35.45 MinuteElectron Oh, ok.
19:35.46 MinuteElectron nm
19:35.47 brlcad just your comments
19:35.51 MinuteElectron ok
19:36.37 CIA-27 BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * 10brlcad/src/rt/do.c: Using bu_fchmod() instead of fchmod().
19:40.17 CIA-27 BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * 10brlcad/src/other/libregex/regerror.c: Reformat regerror() slightly.
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19:44.38 CIA-27 BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * 10brlcad/src/other/iwidgets/pkgIndex.tcl: Update to 4.0.2
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19:50.58 CIA-27 BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * 10brlcad/src/fb/ (fb-pix.c fb-png.c): Using bu_fchmod() instead of fchmod().
19:57.27 CIA-27 BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * 10brlcad/src/other/tk/generic/tkFileFilter.c: Initialize a few variables.
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20:30.00 IriX64 http://www3.sympatico.ca/mario.dulisse2/haha.png :)
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20:50.55 IriX64 http://www3.sympatico.ca/mario.dulisse2/mysystem.png <----- louipc this ones what im running
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21:01.48 minute IriX64: Ultimate?
21:01.51 minute Did you buy that yourself?
21:02.07 minute And on 895MB of RAM, woah.
21:11.01 ``Erik yeah, it was released after penultimate
21:20.54 IriX64 paid good money for this thing, it's damn well gonna do what I want :)
21:21.27 IriX64 1gig of ram, the cheesy motherboard steals 128 meg for the onboard video :(
21:22.13 IriX64 how to speed up windoze, throw memory and money at it :)
21:23.50 dtidrow_work yep
21:24.30 IriX64 it's building brlcad7.10.4 even as we speak though
21:24.49 brlcad you should make an installation tarball for 7.10.4 so others can try it out
21:24.55 brlcad (for cygwin)
21:25.15 IriX64 just the binaries you mean?
21:25.39 IriX64 id have to include the dll's but it could be done
21:25.58 brlcad whatever is needed so that it runs
21:25.58 IriX64 if i get it to compile ill do that
21:26.04 brlcad a binary distribution
21:26.07 IriX64 ill try
21:26.08 brlcad for cygwin users
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21:26.28 brlcad or for windows users for that matter if it doesn't require cygwin itself
21:26.41 IriX64 if they have their xwin running itll work
21:27.42 IriX64 -march=i486 :)
21:28.02 IriX64 or pentium
21:28.50 IriX64 gotta go shave, wife keeps nagging me, bbiab :)
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21:29.54 starseeker Heh - got a helpful email from one of the Gentoo devs - they apparently REALLY don't like using /opt
21:31.08 starseeker brlcad: Do you know who maintains the FreeBSD port?
21:31.10 ``Erik yeah, they are a whiney lot :D
21:31.11 ``Erik me
21:31.22 starseeker where are you installing to?
21:31.28 ``Erik /usr/local/brlcad
21:31.36 starseeker Ah.
21:31.57 ``Erik has for a long long long time
21:32.33 brlcad at least ports uses /usr/local by default
21:32.37 starseeker Interesting
21:32.48 ``Erik yeah, you can override PREFIX to point to where you want
21:32.55 ``Erik like /opt if you want the sysV style
21:32.58 brlcad but hardly anyone does
21:33.13 ``Erik /usr/X11R6 and /usr/Xorg went away, too, it's now all in /usr/local
21:33.17 starseeker Gentoo dev suggested using /usr/lib/brlcad for everything and then symlinking the binaries into /usr/bin
21:33.25 ``Erik heh
21:33.28 brlcad interesting
21:33.38 ``Erik cuz they'd really love having stuff like /usr/bin/wall ?
21:33.39 ``Erik :D
21:33.47 brlcad wall's gone now :)
21:33.57 ``Erik in head... as of this morning...
21:34.02 brlcad as of last night
21:34.04 ``Erik or yesterday... O.o something, heh
21:35.04 brlcad /usr/lib/brlcad is just as good a root as any if they don't mind the symlinks and if it preserves/isolates needing to rename things
21:35.09 starseeker He also suggests forcing the use of system libs rather than having configure figure it out... sigh.
21:35.10 ``Erik <PROTECTED>
21:35.29 ``Erik do they provide tcl8.5a6 ?
21:35.34 starseeker brlcad: I guess I'll try that - they seem to have a bee in their bonnet about opt
21:35.38 brlcad starseeker: forcing it to use system libs is also not a problem "--disable-all"
21:35.50 starseeker Except their tcl 8.5 ebuild is masked
21:36.03 ``Erik debian doesn't have an 8.5 in testing, :/
21:36.09 brlcad so brl-cad will be masked until it's complete
21:36.15 brlcad or make it use 8.4
21:36.19 brlcad with a patch
21:36.33 brlcad though louipc seemed to indicate it didn't even need a patch
21:36.56 brlcad not sure I believe it didn't really need a patch for everything to work, but if mged comes up, then good enough
21:37.40 starseeker Really?
21:38.18 brlcad yeah, code-wise 8.4 works for us just as well
21:38.35 brlcad 8.5 was needed for updates for a specific platform features (aquatk)
21:38.51 starseeker Hmm. Will the configure script in 7.10.4 give it a try with 8.4, or does that need patching?
21:39.05 brlcad hindsight 20/20 and all, it's taken way longer than expected (both for tcl and for that need)
21:39.14 starseeker heh
21:39.42 brlcad mmmm.. it'll need patching to search for tcl8.4
21:39.52 starseeker OK
21:39.53 brlcad but literally just like 4 lines
21:40.05 brlcad head has those lines already
21:40.22 brlcad interesting.. simcity in tcl/tk
21:40.37 ``Erik *shudder*
21:40.43 starseeker That should be a simple patch.
21:40.52 ``Erik which simcity? the first one (on the c64) was pretty fun
21:40.57 brlcad http://www.donhopkins.com/drupal/node/24
21:41.24 brlcad apparently maxis is giving the game to OLPC
21:41.34 ``Erik nify
21:41.38 ``Erik s/f/ft/
21:53.27 ``Erik heh
21:53.56 starseeker Cool :-)
21:54.58 bpoole Anyone here read xkcd?
21:55.03 ``Erik daily.
21:55.05 starseeker they're suggesting additional ebuilds be created for libs currently not in portage - given the trouble I've seen in the past getting ebuilds accepted, you'd think that it would be easier to have just one...
21:55.09 bpoole I'm seeing him talk tomorrow :)
21:55.13 brlcad ``Erik: prefix of /usr/brlcad/rel-7.10.4 ?
21:55.14 ``Erik cool
21:55.23 ``Erik no, default prefix
21:55.50 ``Erik but I found where SOMEONE (won't mention his name, but he sits downstairs and lifts weights) broke it :D
21:57.10 ``Erik O.o
21:57.29 CIA-27 BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald 07STABLE * 10brlcad/configure.ac: libfb needs libsocket and libnsl on solaris
22:00.01 ``Erik heh, and I fudged the commit message, go figure :D
22:00.21 CIA-27 BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * 10brlcad/configure.ac: MFC to pick up solaris fix
22:03.35 PrezKennedy you guys still hanging out in the WW3 buildings?
22:06.50 CIA-27 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/misc/win32-msvc8/asc2g/asc2g.vcproj: testing
22:13.35 ``Erik ya even going to try an irix release?
22:14.30 ``Erik with a 7.10.4 solaris on its way, and supposedly a windows release, the only thing that won't have a 7.10.4 binary is irix... we could have binaries across the board
22:29.34 starseeker Mrf. Gentoo has by default itcl and itk 3.3, but it looks like the configure script doesn't see them. Arrgh.
22:30.46 starseeker Interesting - it finds itcl.h, but doesn't see Itcl_Init
22:48.17 brlcad you have to patch up tcl, tk, tclstubs, and tkstubs
22:48.55 brlcad and maybe specifically patch out the -I includes for the src/other/tcl|tk flags
22:49.13 brlcad otherwise it'll pick up a specific version number and incrtcl won't allow 8.4
22:49.47 ``Erik (in nmg now, btw)
22:49.48 brlcad could be, should be
22:49.52 brlcad heh
22:49.58 brlcad so you got a good hour to go
22:50.24 brlcad maybe less, that's like half-way or 2/3rds
22:50.34 ``Erik guess it gets uploaded on tuesday :)
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