00:02.18 |
``Erik |
the tcl error? or the dorking with os stuff
error? :D |
00:02.30 |
``Erik |
I freakin' hate i386 irq/isr/gdt
crap |
00:02.37 |
``Erik |
and amd64 has exactly the same shit |
00:06.44 |
brlcad |
tcl |
01:03.54 |
starseeker |
brlcad: still on? |
01:04.24 |
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01:05.19 |
starseeker |
yukonbob: Heh - our timing isn't so hot, or
he's darn good a dodging ;-) |
01:07.32 |
brlcad |
yes |
01:07.56 |
brlcad |
too much code, too little time |
01:09.46 |
yukonbob |
:) |
01:10.35 |
yukonbob |
brlcad: did ``Erik get you that
file/info |
01:11.20 |
brlcad |
the .g file, yes |
01:14.43 |
brlcad |
is it full_hub? |
01:15.46 |
yukonbob |
hubcomb |
01:16.33 |
``Erik |
debugger nirt run on the 'bad' rays? |
01:17.02 |
yukonbob |
seems to be size-dependant (if I'm seeing what
I think you're seeing)... so either use a big framebuffer, or use
2048 or so for manual rt... |
01:18.29 |
brlcad |
it is |
01:18.35 |
brlcad |
related to tolerance and root
solving |
01:18.59 |
yukonbob |
floating point issue? (/me is totally
guessing) |
01:19.15 |
brlcad |
could be as simple as a bad normal, but can't
say for certain without actual testing |
01:19.23 |
``Erik |
heh |
01:19.36 |
``Erik |
what all pushes the root solver? the torus is
a biggie |
01:20.23 |
``Erik |
but the issues with those mostly seem when the
normal is near orthogenal to the primary |
01:20.25 |
yukonbob |
there are ~38 (maybe 78) tori in that model
iirc |
01:21.08 |
brlcad |
I don't doubt that the odd normals are
tolerance related |
01:21.43 |
brlcad |
the odd one are the specs on the tgc |
01:21.57 |
brlcad |
those are the ones that are worth
investigating |
01:22.37 |
yukonbob |
tgc == [rcc + constraints]? |
01:22.46 |
``Erik |
truncated cone |
01:22.58 |
``Erik |
an rcc a form of tgc |
01:23.03 |
yukonbob |
trunc cone == trc. |
01:23.03 |
``Erik |
iirc |
01:23.07 |
``Erik |
er |
01:23.20 |
``Erik |
<-- doesn't model, so loses those quick...
:D |
01:23.29 |
``Erik |
also; vodka good :D so don't give me
shit |
01:23.39 |
brlcad |
truncated generalized cone |
01:23.48 |
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01:23.53 |
``Erik |
trc is truncated right cone? |
01:23.53 |
yukonbob |
that hub body == diff of rcc's -- anyway, is
all obvious w/ the .g, and /me trusts you'll find something
interesting... |
01:23.53 |
brlcad |
s/generalized/general/ |
01:23.59 |
brlcad |
yeah |
01:24.00 |
``Erik |
twingy, isst! |
01:24.06 |
brlcad |
rcc is a right circular cylinder |
01:24.09 |
Twingy |
pisst! |
01:24.11 |
``Erik |
ok, so trc is a form of tgc |
01:24.20 |
brlcad |
trc and rcc both |
01:24.22 |
Twingy |
I sent a file and instructions to ed
today |
01:24.26 |
``Erik |
ok |
01:24.32 |
brlcad |
all of the conics are a tgc |
01:24.45 |
``Erik |
I was in his office this morning, he called
you then jay-lo to get isst and rvis sorted |
01:25.10 |
brlcad |
just like all of the arbs are arb8's |
01:25.16 |
Twingy |
I've been squeezing out circuit boards like a
weathered north vietnamese child labor shop |
01:26.20 |
yukonbob |
re: trc and rcc == tgc;
interesting... |
01:26.45 |
yukonbob |
tec + rec, too? |
01:27.29 |
brlcad |
they go through different numerics, and are
stored with the knowledge that they are that specific type of
tgc |
01:27.43 |
``Erik |
yeah, uh |
01:27.46 |
brlcad |
so saying they're the same really just means
that their storage format is that of a tgc |
01:27.59 |
yukonbob |
thx ``Erik |
01:28.04 |
``Erik |
I have to go in the next day or to, heh... I'm
trying an experiement |
01:28.21 |
``Erik |
instead of buying 6 weeks worth of food and
living out of the freezer, I'm trying to buy minimally and go once
a week |
01:28.35 |
brlcad |
rcc's are considerably faster to evaluate than
an arbitrary tgc, for example (almost an order), given the types of
roots possible |
01:28.38 |
``Erik |
I'm hoping it'll get me into eating more fresh
vegetables and get away from the frozen foods |
01:29.18 |
Twingy |
I often go to the grocery store twice a
week |
01:29.48 |
``Erik |
I was doing it once every 6 weeks... |
01:29.52 |
yukonbob |
! |
01:29.59 |
starseeker |
my freezer isn't that big |
01:30.29 |
yukonbob |
reminds me of Microserfs, where people lock
themselves in their offices and only eat flat food; food that can
be slid under the door... |
01:30.38 |
``Erik |
heh |
01:31.23 |
``Erik |
heh, ziplock fotw |
01:31.27 |
``Erik |
ftw |
01:31.35 |
starseeker |
Actually, ``Erik you might know this... since
brlcad's busy - Has there ever been an effort to have the itcl/itk
upstream devs merge in the brlcad patches to those
libraries? |
01:31.43 |
``Erik |
um |
01:31.50 |
``Erik |
brlcad patches? |
01:32.01 |
starseeker |
BRL-CAD patches itcl/itk |
01:32.05 |
``Erik |
well |
01:32.17 |
``Erik |
bob patched itcl to cope with being included
in a foreign build system |
01:32.18 |
``Erik |
but, uh |
01:32.22 |
``Erik |
otherwise, tehy're very stock |
01:32.53 |
``Erik |
the only modification right now in HEAD is,
um, including <brlcad_config.h> I think |
01:33.15 |
``Erik |
otherwise, I broke stuff really good last week
when I imported new tcl, tk, itcl, and itk |
01:33.25 |
starseeker |
My system installs don't expose Itcl_Init for
some reason |
01:33.47 |
``Erik |
erm, odd |
01:34.25 |
``Erik |
http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/ |
01:34.33 |
``Erik |
but I don't use system itcl |
01:34.35 |
``Erik |
not yet |
01:35.25 |
starseeker |
There we go http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m66c7d311 |
01:36.28 |
starseeker |
Personally I don't have a problem with BRL-CAD
building it's own libs, but it seems to send the Gentoo devs into a
tailspin - every time I interact with them they "suggest" that
using the system libs is the way to go... |
01:42.59 |
``Erik |
when they support (actively) tcl 8.5b1, tk
8.5b1, itcl3.4 and itk 3.4, it's all good. |
01:43.08 |
``Erik |
:D |
01:43.12 |
starseeker |
Heh |
01:46.53 |
``Erik |
... ayup... |
01:47.02 |
``Erik |
and I'm PRETTY sure they they don't offer itcl
3.4 |
01:47.04 |
``Erik |
masked or not. |
01:47.20 |
``Erik |
given that I imported stuff from the cvs
head... |
01:47.24 |
``Erik |
:D |
01:47.28 |
starseeker |
hehe |
01:48.33 |
starseeker |
They also suggested reducing the user-visible
flags - is there any condition under which a "normal" user would
NOT want to optimize the build? |
01:48.52 |
``Erik |
um |
01:48.53 |
``Erik |
no |
01:48.57 |
starseeker |
OK :-) |
01:49.15 |
starseeker |
aaaand a nother one bites the
dust... |
01:49.16 |
``Erik |
supposedly, it causes crashes on sparc and ppc
on fbsd |
01:49.31 |
``Erik |
or, it did at one point |
01:49.53 |
``Erik |
I lack sparc and ppc fbsd boxen, so I undid
the de-optimize fu in the port... and will wait for bug
reports |
01:50.18 |
starseeker |
That should do it :-) |
01:51.01 |
``Erik |
now I currenlty don't have adrt/rise enabled
and that has been a request from users |
01:51.05 |
``Erik |
mostly pedre |
01:51.24 |
``Erik |
but it adds python and sdl as deps |
01:51.58 |
``Erik |
<-- cranks his ui size way down |
01:52.16 |
``Erik |
woops |
01:52.19 |
Twingy |
python and sdl is the ancient one |
01:52.23 |
``Erik |
heh |
01:52.24 |
``Erik |
yeah |
01:52.25 |
``Erik |
uh |
01:52.30 |
``Erik |
get me mor erecent code. |
01:52.30 |
``Erik |
boy. |
01:52.39 |
Twingy |
I told you I just send ed the code |
01:53.07 |
``Erik |
are the docs up to date, so'z dumb old coder
like me can pick it up? |
01:54.09 |
``Erik |
<-- half expecting a letter from legal in
the next few days, skipped lunch to leave early (after 9hrclock
time), and the evil one saw me drive off. |
01:54.20 |
``Erik |
so I'm a'drinkin' and not a'carin' |
01:56.07 |
Twingy |
legal? are you in trouble? :) |
01:56.54 |
``Erik |
prasad got a legal notice before any
supervisor interjection |
01:57.24 |
``Erik |
actually, no, he got it immediately after, but
obviously the legal avenue was pursued before any confrontation at
the local mgmt level |
01:57.43 |
``Erik |
and I don't think it learnes. |
01:58.42 |
``Erik |
damn my unique automobile |
02:23.38 |
brlcad |
yukonbob: that'd work for me.. pizza
:) |
02:24.03 |
brlcad |
starseeker: yeah, we're not modding incr (at
least any more) |
02:24.19 |
starseeker |
:-) |
02:24.23 |
brlcad |
other than to allow it to work uninstalled,
which is specific to our source layout |
02:24.40 |
starseeker |
Would upstream incorporate that
change? |
02:26.26 |
brlcad |
no no, it refers specifically to where we know
it can find sources |
02:26.49 |
brlcad |
merely for the sake of being able to run
binaries without actually installing |
02:27.07 |
brlcad |
and still have them find all of the resources
they expect |
02:27.51 |
brlcad |
the same effect is achieved normally by
setting the plethora of env vars (ITCL_LIBRARY, etc) |
02:28.44 |
starseeker |
Ah. So using a system install is possible if
the env vars are used? |
02:28.48 |
brlcad |
ideally --disable-all will work if/when the
proper deps are declared and if/when all of the configure tests are
solid |
02:29.00 |
brlcad |
huh? |
02:29.09 |
brlcad |
using a system install is supposed to be
possible regardless |
02:29.16 |
starseeker |
er, sorry. :-) |
02:29.19 |
brlcad |
i'm referring to running binaries without ever
installing anything |
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02:29.43 |
brlcad |
if they were purely all system installed libs,
then there's no problem |
02:30.03 |
brlcad |
because at run-time, everything is where it
expects it already (they're already installed) |
02:30.14 |
starseeker |
Ah, of course |
02:30.20 |
brlcad |
i'm talking about having one of the tcl
component being used, but NOT yet installed |
02:30.42 |
brlcad |
like say you use a system tcl, but were
letting incrtcl compile from our sources |
02:31.12 |
brlcad |
then a binary that uses itcl, tries a package
require Itcl, etc will fail |
02:31.17 |
brlcad |
until you install it |
02:31.42 |
starseeker |
Oh, got it |
02:31.53 |
brlcad |
since we know where to find those resources
even before it's installed, we just make the mod that makes it look
in our source tree before giving up |
02:31.59 |
fiberchunks |
evening |
02:32.02 |
brlcad |
howdy fiberchunks |
02:32.13 |
brlcad |
two days in a row, what is the world coming
to! |
02:32.22 |
fiberchunks |
no doubt -- call guinness :) |
02:32.33 |
fiberchunks |
...cause I need a beer |
02:33.03 |
brlcad |
~beer fiberchunks |
02:33.04 |
ibot |
ACTION pulls out a excellent Piraat for
fiberchunks |
02:33.10 |
fiberchunks |
danke |
02:35.36 |
brlcad |
``Erik: you noticed that the new tcl isn't
getting our build flags any more? |
02:35.57 |
brlcad |
since b2 update afaict |
02:36.19 |
brlcad |
starseeker: for that configure log, is there a
system incrtcl already installed? |
02:36.26 |
brlcad |
i.e. did it fail to detect |
02:36.38 |
starseeker |
Should be - itcl and itk are
installed... |
02:36.39 |
brlcad |
or is the abort correct |
02:36.50 |
starseeker |
hang on, let me make sure... |
02:36.56 |
brlcad |
should see why the test failed |
02:37.10 |
brlcad |
might be something as simple as needing some
-lz or something |
02:37.22 |
starseeker |
I have itcl-3.3 and itk-3.3 installed using
the portage system |
02:37.38 |
starseeker |
In /usr/lib/itcl3.3 |
02:37.40 |
brlcad |
look in config.log for Itcl_Init |
02:38.04 |
brlcad |
those are the data resources, the libs are
"somewhere" else |
02:38.19 |
starseeker |
configure:30575: checking for Itcl_Init in
-litcl3.4 |
02:38.39 |
starseeker |
configure:30639: checking for Itcl_Init in
-litcl34 |
02:38.47 |
starseeker |
configure:30703: checking for Itcl_Init in
-litcl3.3 |
02:38.57 |
starseeker |
that should be it... |
02:39.03 |
brlcad |
huh? |
02:39.08 |
starseeker |
version 3.3 |
02:39.18 |
starseeker |
letsee here... |
02:39.20 |
brlcad |
nah nah, there is massive sections in
config.log related to those tests |
02:39.35 |
starseeker |
Oh, want me to pastebin all of it? |
02:39.48 |
brlcad |
all of what? |
02:39.56 |
starseeker |
that section of config.log |
02:40.00 |
brlcad |
i want to see all of just one of the tests
that should have succeeded |
02:40.12 |
brlcad |
like the -litcl3.3 test |
02:40.30 |
brlcad |
presuming you have a libitcl3.3.so |
02:40.49 |
starseeker |
http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m575b452b |
02:41.19 |
brlcad |
locate libitcl |
02:41.37 |
brlcad |
that one at least correctly "failed" |
02:41.40 |
starseeker |
I don't have locate on this box, one
sec... |
02:41.47 |
brlcad |
/usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.1.2/../../../../i686-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld:
cannot find -litcl3.3 |
02:42.19 |
brlcad |
don't have locate o.O |
02:42.42 |
starseeker |
/usr/lib/itcl3.3/libitcl3.3.so is the file in
question... |
02:44.20 |
brlcad |
wow |
02:44.29 |
brlcad |
that's .. |
02:44.30 |
brlcad |
special |
02:45.00 |
starseeker |
The location or not having locate? |
02:45.06 |
brlcad |
yes :) |
02:45.09 |
starseeker |
Hehe |
02:45.14 |
brlcad |
but the location in particular |
02:45.26 |
brlcad |
how is an app that uses libitcl supposed to
link against it? |
02:45.27 |
starseeker |
That's where the ebuild stuck it - let me
check the ebuild... |
02:45.35 |
brlcad |
without manually adding that ld path |
02:45.47 |
brlcad |
where is libtcl installed? |
02:46.21 |
starseeker |
/usr/lib/tcl8.4 |
02:46.34 |
brlcad |
inside that dir? |
02:46.41 |
starseeker |
with /usr/lib having libtcl.so,
libtcl8.4.so |
02:46.43 |
starseeker |
yes |
02:46.45 |
brlcad |
ahh |
02:46.56 |
brlcad |
it has symlinks into it in /usr/lib |
02:47.03 |
brlcad |
*that* makes sense |
02:47.14 |
``Erik |
brlcad: no... remind me at lunch tomorrow
:D |
02:47.20 |
brlcad |
just throwing libs into a dir with no ref to
them doesn't |
02:47.26 |
starseeker |
It would appear that libitcl does
not |
02:47.36 |
starseeker |
have anything in /usr/lib |
02:47.48 |
``Erik |
itcl 3.3 does not play well with tcl
8.5b1 |
02:48.08 |
starseeker |
Well, my system tcl is 8.4 |
02:48.41 |
brlcad |
if you run bwish and package require Itcl,
what does it do? |
02:48.46 |
brlcad |
s/bwish/wish/ |
02:48.50 |
CIA-27 |
BRL-CAD: 03brlcad *
10brlcad/src/other/tcl/generic/tclInt.h: since our build flags
aren't getting passed through to tcl for some reason (which isn't
all that bad so far), just reference our common.h
directly |
02:49.03 |
``Erik |
ok |
02:49.12 |
``Erik |
I guess you don't need to remind me at
lunch |
02:49.13 |
``Erik |
O.o |
02:49.14 |
starseeker |
cyapp@localhost /usr/portage $ wish |
02:49.14 |
starseeker |
package require % Itcl |
02:49.15 |
starseeker |
3.3 |
02:49.15 |
starseeker |
% |
02:49.23 |
starseeker |
and a window pops up after wish |
02:49.56 |
brlcad |
that takes care of the error .. not sure we
care if other flags aren't passed -- i'd gather it might be a
bigger problem on a non-gcc platform |
02:50.10 |
brlcad |
yeah, the window is default wish behavior,
that's just tk |
02:50.16 |
starseeker |
right |
02:50.20 |
brlcad |
i wonder how wish is finding itcl |
02:50.28 |
brlcad |
set auto_path |
02:50.40 |
brlcad |
what does that report? |
02:51.13 |
starseeker |
/usr/lib/tcl8.4 /usr/lib
/usr/lib/tk8.4 |
02:51.30 |
brlcad |
huh |
02:52.19 |
brlcad |
is itcl.tcl in tcl8.4 or itcl3.3
dir? |
02:52.58 |
brlcad |
and what does ldd `which wish`
report? |
02:53.13 |
starseeker |
/usr/lib/itcl3.3/itcl.tcl |
02:54.01 |
starseeker |
no sign of itcl |
02:54.22 |
starseeker |
let me pastebin the result... |
02:54.48 |
starseeker |
http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m7549ba41 |
02:55.36 |
starseeker |
Ah - there is an itclConfig.sh file in
/usr/lib |
02:56.32 |
starseeker |
http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m21cfb12e |
02:56.39 |
starseeker |
I'll bet that's it |
02:57.11 |
starseeker |
Anybody else have that file in
/usr/lib? |
02:57.28 |
brlcad |
that'd be one way to find the lib |
02:57.49 |
brlcad |
but I doubt still not what wish is
using |
03:02.42 |
starseeker |
The only thing I see in any generic file is
/usr/include has itcl and itk .h files |
03:03.40 |
brlcad |
ah well, suppose it doesn't matter too much ..
I can use the config script |
03:03.47 |
starseeker |
and as far as I can tell, the portage package
system isn't doing any special magic when it is doing the
installs... |
03:04.10 |
starseeker |
Anybody else got a Gentoo system on the
list? |
03:10.47 |
yukonbob |
brlcad: re: finding /usr/lib/itcl3.3 in
portage -- I bet the build system must setup "default" paths/ENV
vars to get the portage system to work, and require flags to
"manually" build against it -- my 3rd party libs/tools are
/usr/pkg/[blah] -- which makes total sense for this
system... |
03:11.55 |
starseeker |
What does it mean when you get a "Cannot
allocate memory" error in a cvs checkout??? |
03:13.35 |
yukonbob |
brlcad: iirc, tcls autopath searches dirs and
all subdirs |
03:14.01 |
starseeker |
brlcad: Thanks for taking the time to work on
this :-) |
03:17.12 |
yukonbob |
...not to mention the *Config.sh for leading
tcl around to find it's bits/self... though like ``Erik said,
nobody really likes it -- it's a bit of an ongoing issue finding
the best way to have tcl know what system it's on, introspect about
itself, etc. |
03:28.19 |
brlcad |
yukonbob: really? didn't think it was
recursive |
03:28.29 |
brlcad |
but that would explain finding itcl |
03:29.06 |
brlcad |
and I still didn't think the config scripts
were used by anything at run-time |
03:29.27 |
brlcad |
just part of tea build interface |
03:31.44 |
yukonbob |
brlcad: re: Config -- you may well be correct
there -- I'm _not_ an expert in this case -- and I think that
anybody who _is_ an expert wishes for something better ;) |
03:32.34 |
yukonbob |
(from what I glean from conversations with
& between devs.) |
03:50.59 |
CIA-27 |
BRL-CAD: 03brlcad *
10brlcad/src/other/incrTcl/itcl/Makefile.am: fix dist, apparently
no longer a mac dir here? |
03:53.43 |
CIA-27 |
BRL-CAD: 03brlcad *
10brlcad/src/other/libpng/Makefile.am: wrong ver file in
dist |
03:56.10 |
CIA-27 |
BRL-CAD: 03brlcad *
10brlcad/misc/win32-msvc8/Makefile.am: fix dist, there is no brlcad
dir |
05:36.09 |
brlcad |
awshome .. now detects files missing from the
dist in a useful manner |
05:38.34 |
yukonbob |
:) -- hey (only curious here, not pushing),
did you see what is responsible for the errant pixels in the
hub? |
06:08.33 |
brlcad |
oh heck no, that'll take a quite while to
investigate |
06:09.06 |
brlcad |
but I was able to reproduce it, so that's
good/bad |
06:11.58 |
brlcad |
I also don't have the right build setup at the
moment to dive into it, but thanks for getting the model over --
it's in the queue to investigate |
06:29.06 |
yukonbob |
:) |
06:30.00 |
yukonbob |
if there's something I can do here, lemme
know |
06:48.06 |
CIA-27 |
BRL-CAD: 03brlcad *
10brlcad/src/vdeck/Makefile.loc: pointless and out-of-date old
build file removed |
06:49.54 |
CIA-27 |
BRL-CAD: 03brlcad *
10brlcad/src/util/Makefile.am: add missing remapid manual page to
the install/dist |
06:52.04 |
CIA-27 |
BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/
(util/Makefile.loc fbed/Makefile.loc libbn/Makefile.loc): more
obsolete and out-of-date old build files, now removed |
06:58.23 |
CIA-27 |
BRL-CAD: 03brlcad *
10brlcad/src/libbu/bomb.c: |
06:58.25 |
CIA-27 |
BRL-CAD: semaphore protect the crash report
being generated on bomb so that only one |
06:58.27 |
CIA-27 |
BRL-CAD: thread/process is writing out to the
log file at a time. only allow one of them |
06:58.29 |
CIA-27 |
BRL-CAD: to write to the file, depending on
whether the log file for that process already |
06:58.31 |
CIA-27 |
BRL-CAD: exists. we use BU_SEM_MAPPEDFILE
since that really shouldn't be in use during |
06:58.35 |
CIA-27 |
BRL-CAD: bombing. |
07:05.19 |
CIA-27 |
BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/NEWS: |
07:05.21 |
CIA-27 |
BRL-CAD: fixed garbled output during parallel
crash reports. if you were on a parallel |
07:05.23 |
CIA-27 |
BRL-CAD: system with mutiple threads/procs in
action when bu_bomb() is invoked, multiple |
07:05.25 |
CIA-27 |
BRL-CAD: threads/procs ended up writing out to
the crash report file. this fix |
07:05.27 |
CIA-27 |
BRL-CAD: synchronizes the output and removes
the garbled interleaving. |
07:40.47 |
brlcad |
yay, all binaries finally uploaded (except
windows) |
07:41.14 |
brlcad |
tomorrow hopefully can make all of the
announcements |
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CIA-27 |
BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 *
10brlcad/misc/win32-msvc8/brlcad/brlcad.sln: Initial
check-in. |
12:11.33 |
Defcon |
? what? |
12:19.37 |
brlcad |
Defcon: ? |
12:22.02 |
CIA-27 |
BRL-CAD: 03brlcad *
10brlcad/misc/win32-msvc8/Makefile.am: there is that brlcad.sln
now.. |
12:25.31 |
Defcon |
yeah |
12:25.31 |
Defcon |
what is CIA-27 saying? |
14:18.08 |
brlcad |
Defcon: CIA-27 shows commits to the BRL-CAD
source code repository (i.e. actual changes to the code) as they
happen |
14:19.16 |
Defcon |
that is sweet |
14:19.20 |
brlcad |
so there it was saying that bob1961 (one of
the brl-cad developers) made a change, namely that he added the
misc/win32-msvc8/brlcad/brlcad.sln visual studio build
file |
14:19.44 |
Defcon |
is it made in visual studio? |
14:19.56 |
brlcad |
brl-cad is cross-platform |
14:20.00 |
brlcad |
extensively |
14:20.03 |
Defcon |
nice |
14:20.21 |
Defcon |
but if you guys are open source |
14:20.37 |
Defcon |
who pays for the visual studio
licence |
14:21.07 |
brlcad |
just because we're open source doesn't mean
we're broke and waiting for hand-outs :) |
14:21.25 |
brlcad |
different for each dev/contributor |
14:22.08 |
Defcon |
ohw :) |
14:22.11 |
brlcad |
I buy what I need, for example, in addition to
the slew of open source software I use and work on |
14:22.53 |
Defcon |
are you a C programmer? |
14:23.01 |
brlcad |
I have windows and studio but rarely use them
myself, only from time to time for brl-cad |
14:23.14 |
brlcad |
most of the time, I use my macs, bsd, and
linux |
14:23.20 |
Defcon |
nice |
14:23.39 |
Defcon |
btw: who are u, 'cause i think brlcad can't
speak for itselves |
14:23.39 |
Defcon |
:) |
14:23.49 |
``Erik |
he is brlcad |
14:23.59 |
Defcon |
brlcad is an app |
14:24.00 |
Defcon |
:) |
14:24.17 |
``Erik |
and defcon is a military state
system |
14:24.32 |
``Erik |
:D |
14:24.40 |
Defcon |
:) |
14:24.43 |
Defcon |
indeed |
14:24.50 |
Defcon |
from the us |
14:24.57 |
Defcon |
i'm from Belgium |
14:25.11 |
Defcon |
and a fellow Developper, not a system
:) |
14:25.41 |
``Erik |
well, you can be a defense condition, and
brlcad can be an app, it's all good :D |
14:25.45 |
brlcad |
Defcon: "brl-cad" is an app, "brlcad" is me
:) |
14:25.51 |
``Erik |
I thought it was BRL-CAD |
14:25.52 |
Defcon |
haha ok |
14:25.57 |
brlcad |
that too |
14:26.07 |
Defcon |
yeah, that's more impressive |
14:26.07 |
Defcon |
:) |
14:26.25 |
Defcon |
man i love the Stryker ICV w/ Slat Armor
rendered with ADRT/RISE render |
14:26.45 |
brlcad |
Twingy put that one together |
14:26.50 |
brlcad |
pretty slick, eh? |
14:26.59 |
``Erik |
I think that took a week or two on an 18 core
mini-cluster |
14:27.14 |
Defcon |
very nice |
14:27.30 |
Defcon |
``Erik to render? |
14:27.31 |
``Erik |
has all the goodies turned on, depth of field,
hypersampling, etc |
14:28.06 |
brlcad |
Defcon: so you're a developer? |
14:28.11 |
``Erik |
yeah |
14:28.12 |
``Erik |
5 days |
14:28.15 |
``Erik |
it's on the image |
14:28.28 |
Defcon |
yeah |
14:28.37 |
Defcon |
indeed brlcad |
14:28.38 |
``Erik |
um, every blade of grass and leaf is
modelled |
14:28.41 |
brlcad |
then welcome :) |
14:28.46 |
Defcon |
ty :) |
14:28.55 |
``Erik |
there are no textures, imposters, or
anything |
14:28.59 |
brlcad |
lemme know where we can get you hacking and
contributing ;) |
14:29.13 |
Defcon |
hacking..? :D |
14:29.24 |
brlcad |
it's a big package, but don't let it be
daunting -- feel free to ask questions ;) |
14:29.33 |
brlcad |
hacking == developing |
14:29.37 |
Defcon |
ohw :) |
14:29.48 |
Defcon |
i'm an vb / asp.net programmer |
14:30.13 |
Defcon |
so.. i dunno if i can add something to your
app |
14:30.13 |
Defcon |
:) |
14:30.43 |
brlcad |
hey, most languages if you know them well
translate to other languages without too much effort |
14:30.45 |
Defcon |
BRL-CAD is way to advanced for me |
14:31.57 |
``Erik |
<-- thinks one of the biggest ways to
improve your coding skill is to honestly learn new languages and
paradigms |
14:32.06 |
brlcad |
Defcon: so then what's your
interest? |
14:32.30 |
Defcon |
everything that has to do something with
coding :) |
14:32.37 |
brlcad |
it's too big to qualitatively say that the
*whole* thing is too advanced for you :) |
14:32.45 |
``Erik |
and one of the neater ways to do that might be
to grab some tickle and write modelling scripts, very quick to get
very visual results |
14:32.53 |
``Erik |
tcl |
14:33.02 |
Defcon |
tcl? |
14:33.12 |
``Erik |
the scripting language we're using |
14:33.27 |
``Erik |
http://www.tcl.tk |
14:33.40 |
Defcon |
ah |
14:33.41 |
brlcad |
or even write some procedural geometry stuff
in VB for that matter |
14:34.08 |
brlcad |
just hook up to the brl-cad dll's like you
would for any language in vb |
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14:34.23 |
Defcon |
yeah |
14:34.29 |
``Erik |
hm, vb stuff tends not to work so well on mac,
freebsd, openbsd, linux, irix, solaris, ... |
14:34.30 |
Defcon |
i know how to use dll's |
14:34.35 |
Defcon |
might be a start |
14:35.04 |
``Erik |
ruby might be sexier :D |
14:35.11 |
brlcad |
there are tons of small example programs in
src/proc-db (in C) and src/mk for making procedural geometry, but
it helps if you kinda had some sort of goal in mind |
14:35.54 |
Defcon |
my goal now is to find a goal |
14:35.55 |
Defcon |
:) |
14:36.12 |
Defcon |
that's one reason i'm here |
14:36.41 |
brlcad |
lots of potential goals here: http://my.brlcad.org/~sean/ideas.html |
14:37.13 |
brlcad |
though VB won't help with most of
them |
14:37.40 |
Defcon |
hmm |
14:37.41 |
Defcon |
Web Work |
14:38.13 |
brlcad |
do you know anything other than asp? |
14:38.19 |
Defcon |
vb :) |
14:38.22 |
Defcon |
sql server |
14:38.26 |
Defcon |
.. |
14:38.26 |
brlcad |
or are interested in learning :) |
14:38.34 |
Defcon |
offcourse i am |
14:38.35 |
brlcad |
something like php or ruby or python |
14:38.48 |
Defcon |
why those? |
14:39.06 |
``Erik |
the web stuff is php on a freebsd server,
backed by mysql I think |
14:39.20 |
Defcon |
ohw |
14:39.22 |
``Erik |
adrt/rise uses some python |
14:39.36 |
brlcad |
mysql or postgres or whatever is needed (but
open source) |
14:40.10 |
Defcon |
i have worked a very little bit with php,
mysql and apache |
14:40.24 |
Defcon |
but that knowledge is allready gone |
14:40.27 |
brlcad |
and I really have no inclination of installing
the fp extensions to apache .. :) |
14:40.43 |
Defcon |
:) |
14:41.36 |
Defcon |
i started leaning C once |
14:41.46 |
Defcon |
via the interwebz |
14:41.53 |
brlcad |
php, ruby, python, perl, lisp, etc, are all
easy to set up if they're not set up already |
14:41.57 |
Defcon |
and Maloeran's app/game |
14:42.21 |
brlcad |
some more ideas:
http://brlcad.cvs.sourceforge.net/*checkout*/brlcad/brlcad/doc/IDEAS |
14:42.28 |
``Erik |
his web space thingy? I thought that was all
striaght C, wrote his own httpd or something |
14:42.45 |
Defcon |
indeed |
14:43.35 |
``Erik |
<-- has an urge to learn 'ajax' with a CL
backed server chunk lately |
14:43.53 |
Defcon |
i know a bit of ajax |
14:44.24 |
Defcon |
btw: www.ectroverse.com |
14:44.34 |
Defcon |
mal's game is still up and running |
14:44.45 |
``Erik |
http://www.cliki.net/CL-AJAX
<-- something I've been looking at |
14:44.46 |
Defcon |
completely build in C |
14:45.07 |
Defcon |
i do not know Lisp |
14:45.09 |
Defcon |
:) |
14:47.18 |
Defcon |
in mal's sourcecode : void
InitHTTP() |
14:47.38 |
Defcon |
so he basicly wrote his own
webserver? |
14:48.55 |
``Erik |
I think he did... *shrug* I d'no, I never saw
the code |
14:49.21 |
``Erik |
webservers are easy to write, I had an
assignment to write one at school many years ago |
14:49.22 |
Defcon |
http://www.wazig.be/%5Fev/dl/ectroverse_source.zip |
14:49.30 |
Defcon |
really |
14:52.29 |
Defcon |
if it was that easy, i would have made
one |
14:52.58 |
Defcon |
btw: what is an .o file? |
14:52.59 |
``Erik |
heh, yeah, that's a standalone web
server |
14:53.04 |
``Erik |
object |
14:53.11 |
``Erik |
um, you probably recognize them as
.obj |
14:53.11 |
Defcon |
and why isn't that plain text |
14:53.12 |
Defcon |
ohw |
14:54.05 |
``Erik |
my, the thing isn't threaded and doesn't seem
to throw child processes, several people playing at the same time
would see delays in loading the page O.o |
14:55.03 |
Defcon |
never had any probs with that.. |
14:55.15 |
Defcon |
.ascx file these days i gues |
14:55.19 |
Defcon |
*guess |
14:55.50 |
Defcon |
the ectroverse server stats: http://shell2.skyberate.net:9120/status |
14:56.01 |
Defcon |
Server program CPU usage ( average ) |
14:56.01 |
Defcon |
Total usage : 0.106 % |
14:56.01 |
Defcon |
In user mode : 0.034 % |
14:56.02 |
Defcon |
In kernel mode : 0.072 % |
14:56.59 |
Defcon |
+ the whole game only uses 7mb RAM |
14:57.08 |
Defcon |
on the server |
14:57.40 |
``Erik |
doesn't change the fact that it's completely
serial, if I looked at it with a 300 baud modem, anyone else
connecting would have to wait until I finished getting the page
before they could get theirs |
14:58.05 |
Defcon |
o'rly.. |
14:58.23 |
Defcon |
hopefully u don't do that :) |
14:58.36 |
Defcon |
btw: how do u see that? |
14:58.38 |
``Erik |
no, I'll use the 1200 baud modem |
14:59.10 |
Defcon |
ok :) |
14:59.11 |
``Erik |
the C, it's a simple loop, no threading or
forking |
14:59.57 |
Defcon |
hmm |
15:00.14 |
Defcon |
it will take some time for me to understand
that |
15:00.34 |
Defcon |
i've been looking at his code since he made it
in 2002/2003 |
15:01.00 |
Defcon |
and i still don't understand a line from
it |
15:01.38 |
``Erik |
erm, quit looking a that pile and go write
some trivial C programs to start learning the language? :D
*duck* |
15:02.34 |
Defcon |
haha yeah |
15:02.45 |
Defcon |
but |
15:02.47 |
Defcon |
:p |
15:03.01 |
Defcon |
how do i start learning C :) |
15:03.07 |
Defcon |
in windows btw :) |
15:03.18 |
``Erik |
download a free compiler? |
15:03.27 |
Defcon |
u know any good ones? |
15:04.09 |
``Erik |
I usually grab 'cygwin' when I have to do C on
windows, but it emulates a unix-ey environment... mingw32 ummmm,
djgpp, msys... |
15:04.19 |
``Erik |
microsoft offers their cc for free I think
(but no ide on it) |
15:04.44 |
Defcon |
ok.. |
15:04.47 |
``Erik |
the first C I wrote on a winderz computer was
using 'pcc' and, um, "ultraedit32" to write it |
15:04.52 |
Defcon |
cygwin, i'll google that |
15:05.16 |
``Erik |
I think lcc is free and available for windows,
ummmm |
15:05.35 |
Defcon |
lcc, pcc, ..? |
15:05.39 |
Defcon |
lol |
15:05.50 |
``Erik |
'cc' stands for "C compiler" in this
context... |
15:06.25 |
Defcon |
i'll be using Notepad++ in stead of
ultraedit32 |
15:06.29 |
Defcon |
will that work? |
15:06.54 |
``Erik |
as long as it cna product ascii
text... |
15:07.05 |
``Erik |
technically, you could do it using 'word'
:) |
15:07.41 |
Defcon |
yeah |
15:07.47 |
``Erik |
if you like living dangerously, 'gvim' and
'emacs' are both available on windows, they're pretty heavy hitting
editors with lots of goodies for programmers |
15:08.09 |
Defcon |
but notepad++ has a C markup check
thingie |
15:08.21 |
Defcon |
i like living dangerously, but i'm at work
atm |
15:08.23 |
Defcon |
so.. :) |
15:08.42 |
``Erik |
ooh, irc from work, I'd never do anything like
that *cough* O:-) |
15:08.48 |
Defcon |
:D |
15:10.19 |
Defcon |
anyway |
15:10.20 |
Defcon |
bbl |
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brlcad |
Defcon: there are plenty of good free
compilers for windows -- there's mingw, cygwin, and Dev-C++ as well
as Visual Studio Express is even free .. I'd suggest starting with
that one with your background, then just writing some simple
console applications |
15:43.42 |
Z80-Boy |
free as in beer |
15:45.09 |
Defcon |
i have the Visual Studio
Professional |
15:45.46 |
Defcon |
so i'm set to go :) |
15:45.48 |
Defcon |
i think |
15:47.07 |
Z80-Boy |
brlcad: I just changed Ronja to use outlined
3D pictures. Now I am recompiling all the pictures this way so when
it's finished you can see what it looks like. |
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yukonbob |
hello, cadheads |
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prasad_ |
howdy |
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prasad_ |
:) |
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brlcad |
howdy prasad_ |
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brlcad |
ltns |
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prasad_ |
hey hey |
21:00.19 |
brlcad |
how goes it? |
21:00.33 |
brlcad |
knocked up and expecting yet? |
21:01.13 |
prasad_ |
haha nah |
21:01.26 |
prasad_ |
damn wedding reception in a month
tho |
21:01.28 |
prasad_ |
pain |
21:01.30 |
prasad_ |
hehe |
21:01.44 |
prasad_ |
how's life at the A-P-G ;) |
21:02.04 |
brlcad |
bout the same as always |
21:02.28 |
brlcad |
some things better, some things
worse |
21:04.31 |
prasad_ |
ah so |
21:04.43 |
prasad_ |
m3 still chugging along? |
21:05.26 |
brlcad |
yup yup |
21:05.36 |
brlcad |
even got some fresh blood |
21:05.52 |
prasad_ |
cool cool |
21:05.55 |
prasad_ |
same mgmt? |
21:05.57 |
``Erik |
oi, prasad |
21:06.13 |
prasad_ |
hey yo |
21:06.14 |
brlcad |
prasad_: as ever, save for acst |
21:06.24 |
``Erik |
had a going away luncheon for the pm and
business analyst today O.o |
21:06.33 |
prasad_ |
whoa |
21:06.42 |
prasad_ |
m3 pm? |
21:06.46 |
brlcad |
:) |
21:06.47 |
``Erik |
yup |
21:06.51 |
prasad_ |
haha! |
21:06.57 |
prasad_ |
reassigned? |
21:07.01 |
prasad_ |
demoted?? |
21:07.06 |
prasad_ |
*snicker* |
21:07.25 |
prasad_ |
ohh wait |
21:08.09 |
``Erik |
um, sorta kinda a 'lateral
promotion' |
21:08.10 |
prasad_ |
im confusing old pm with new |
21:08.10 |
prasad_ |
doh |
21:08.10 |
prasad_ |
damn.. been a year |
21:08.20 |
``Erik |
still at the videogame middleware place?
vector ui stuff? |
21:08.27 |
prasad_ |
indeed |
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prasad_ |
crysis and mass effect |
21:08.44 |
prasad_ |
go get em :P |
21:09.04 |
``Erik |
dude, wow eats too much of my time already
O.o |
21:09.13 |
``Erik |
I can't be addin' on new gams |
21:09.16 |
prasad_ |
are you serious??? |
21:09.17 |
prasad_ |
hahaha |
21:09.22 |
prasad_ |
never thought u'd cave in |
21:09.40 |
``Erik |
gf brought the discs over, made me install and
try it |
21:09.56 |
prasad_ |
and the addiction spreads |
21:09.59 |
prasad_ |
hehe |
21:10.39 |
prasad_ |
we've got a cpl of wow heads here |
21:10.48 |
``Erik |
which followed by a group of old friends I
talk to on irc jumping into it *sigh* |
21:11.29 |
prasad_ |
what are u upto project wise |
21:12.41 |
``Erik |
<-- still doing BRL-CAD |
21:13.17 |
``Erik |
tried to go to cisd, but someone threw 3 tons
of red tape on that :/ |
21:13.32 |
prasad_ |
heh by old pm i meant her |
21:13.35 |
prasad_ |
:o |
21:13.46 |
``Erik |
<-- assumed that |
21:14.15 |
prasad_ |
any ui changes to brlcad? |
21:14.18 |
prasad_ |
or still the same |
21:19.03 |
starseeker |
Sweeet. Ebuild now installs into
/usr/lib/brlcad |
21:24.58 |
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21:28.35 |
dtidrow_work |
http://blogs.intel.com/research/2007/10/real_time_raytracing_the_end_o.html
- did you guys comment about this back in Oct.? |
21:31.07 |
``Erik |
probably, the article lacks some details, so
it makes it hard to be certain |
21:31.48 |
``Erik |
intel has a few big raytracing pushes going
on, including a couple regular presenters at siggraph *shrug* one
would almost think they're serious :) |
21:36.22 |
prasad_ |
u guys get a cluster of ps3s yet? :P |
21:39.35 |
prasad_ |
heh im sure they could |
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22:10.12 |
Twingy |
hi prasad |
22:20.19 |
prasad_ |
hey justin |
22:20.25 |
prasad_ |
wassup |
22:31.21 |
prasad_ |
some in game screens of crysis if u havent
seen em already: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=165243 |
22:38.41 |
Twingy |
very nice! |
22:39.07 |
brlcad |
dtidrow_work: yeah, commented and duly yawned
on it .. intel has been (rightly) pushing ray-tracing to supplant
raster for a couple years now -- the real trick is going to be
opengl hooks to (easily) allow it, which is still pretty far off
(programmability isn't suficient) |
22:39.58 |
brlcad |
too much of a moving target, and the cpu-based
approaches while good aren't nearly even as open as opengl was at
its inception (nor as well coordinated) |
22:40.53 |
brlcad |
prasad_: thems rather impressive
screenshots |
22:41.01 |
prasad_ |
rastered ;) |
22:41.08 |
brlcad |
yep, very nice |
22:41.22 |
prasad_ |
~1-2M tris |
22:42.10 |
brlcad |
prasad_: and how many procedural shaders?
:) |
22:42.11 |
prasad_ |
to be fair that example isn't really feasible
for a game |
22:42.23 |
prasad_ |
maybe in about 2 gfx hw cycles, they'll get
good perf |
22:42.46 |
brlcad |
yeah.. 1GB mem use is a bit intense for
commodity |
22:42.47 |
prasad_ |
quite a lot, but cryengine's editor is mighty
easy to use |
22:42.59 |
prasad_ |
that's RAM usage btw |
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22:43.09 |
brlcad |
ah, fun |
22:43.25 |
brlcad |
wonder how much tex mem |
22:44.01 |
prasad_ |
id say prolly around 200 |
22:45.39 |
prasad_ |
iirc one of our devs is going to present a
paper at the next siggraph |
22:45.44 |
prasad_ |
wonder if they'll let me go :P |
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prasad_ |
brlcad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBp3LxAetHk |
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23:12.46 |
starseeker |
This should at least put brl-cad in the
"proper" location - now we're probably down to calling the
autogen.sh script and the hostility to using internal copies of
libs (some of which don't even HAVE ebuilds yet for their
stand-alone versions...) |
23:18.40 |
louipc |
starseeker: where do you put the
executables? |
23:20.16 |
starseeker |
louipc: /usr/lib/brlcad/bin |
23:20.22 |
starseeker |
louipc: Then I add that to PATH |
23:20.30 |
starseeker |
(gentoo has a mechanism for that) |
23:22.51 |
starseeker |
louipc: Got a gentoo box handy? ;-) |
23:23.47 |
louipc |
nope |
23:24.14 |
louipc |
hmm I might look into doing the same for my
pkg |
23:24.31 |
starseeker |
It's the only safe way to stick it in the /usr
tree |
23:24.42 |
starseeker |
And they're quite insistent about it not going
anywhere else... |
23:24.50 |
louipc |
hehe yeah |
23:25.39 |
starseeker |
I also add /usr/lib/brlcad/man to the MANPATH,
so man mged does something useful too ;-) |
23:25.47 |
louipc |
but brlcad is a huge package, my distro would
probably be ok with it being in /opt also considering the potential
conflicts, but there's been an initiative recently to move things
to /usr |
23:26.22 |
louipc |
you could probably put the manpages in the
regular manpath non? |
23:26.50 |
brlcad |
i am not! |
23:26.56 |
starseeker |
Only if no internal tcl/tk goodies are
installed - they conflict with system packages |
23:26.58 |
brlcad |
I'm rather short, actually |
23:27.45 |
louipc |
oh right hah |
23:28.11 |
starseeker |
Eventually Gentoo would probably be able to
supply enough external libs that the internal ones wouldn't be
needed, but that'll be a long struggle |
23:28.29 |
starseeker |
(considering we're coming up on the THREE YEAR
MARK for the main brl-cad bug... ahem) |
23:28.32 |
brlcad |
but I do _have_ a huge package
*ahem* |
23:28.37 |
brlcad |
er, never mind |
23:28.43 |
brlcad |
:) |
23:29.02 |
louipc |
brlcad: good to know |
23:29.03 |
brlcad |
thank you, I'm here all week |
23:29.12 |
brlcad |
try the lobster bisque |
23:29.26 |
louipc |
now I'm hungry |
23:29.35 |
starseeker |
mmm food... |
23:29.58 |
louipc |
I think I'll go buy some RAM |
23:30.10 |
starseeker |
That's rather crunchy |
23:30.14 |
brlcad |
hehe, "And what exactly are you supposed to do
when printf() returns false? Display an error message? " |
23:30.31 |
starseeker |
I think you have the computer yell something
;-) |
23:31.42 |
louipc |
make it emit a foul odour |
23:34.00 |
louipc |
I wonder what scent static or white noise
would smell like |
23:34.32 |
starseeker |
Maybe that's what I smell when I walk by a
perfume counter in a department store... |
23:38.25 |
louipc |
nice |
23:49.06 |
louipc |
indeed! |
23:49.22 |
starseeker |
Considering how old the system is, there's a
lot of stuff there - compresses down with gzip to slightly over 118
megs |
23:58.00 |
``Erik |
er |
23:58.11 |
``Erik |
you had three sushi lunches, dude |