00:00.00 |
brlcad |
wow, that sure is ugly :) |
00:04.42 |
``Erik |
nifty |
00:36.31 |
CIA-27 |
libirc: 03brlcad * r317
10/trunk/libirc/include/IRCUserManager.h: eof newline |
00:46.33 |
*** join/#brlcad yukonbob
(n=yukonbob@whthyt237-51.northwestel.net) |
00:47.05 |
yukonbob |
hello, cadders. |
00:48.14 |
``Erik |
yargh, matey, shiver me timbers |
00:48.41 |
``Erik |
http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/11/15/2135204
|
00:48.41 |
``Erik |
http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/11/15/1611208
|
00:48.55 |
``Erik |
(for those that don't imbibe
regularly) |
00:53.49 |
CIA-27 |
libirc: 03JeffM2501 * r319
10/trunk/libirc/examples/stupidBot/src/stupidBot.cpp: no longer log
when we get a part message. |
00:56.32 |
``Erik |
hrm |
00:56.46 |
``Erik |
egEnable(EG_GRIPE_MODE); |
00:57.09 |
``Erik |
are you not in #libirc? must those who don't
give a flying fuck about libirc see the cia msg's? :D |
00:57.14 |
``Erik |
egDisable(EG_GRIPE_MODE); |
00:59.38 |
CIA-27 |
libirc: 03JeffM2501 * r320
10/trunk/libirc/examples/stupidBot/src/stupidBot.cpp: check the
params and settings before we try to parse private messages to make
sure they are valid |
01:00.22 |
bpoole |
brings a new meaning to commit early, commit
often. like every 10 minutes :) |
01:00.43 |
``Erik |
<-- just being a dick, it don't really
bother me... :) |
01:01.26 |
``Erik |
I've seen more irc libs than I care to look
at, and know too much of rfc1459 to be considered 'healthy' or
'sane' |
01:01.54 |
``Erik |
so these msgs' are just 'one thing to burn
cycles for an "ignore" in the cognative filter' |
01:10.03 |
CIA-27 |
libirc: 03JeffM2501 * r322
10/trunk/libirc/examples/stupidBot/src/stupidBot.cpp: don't do a
message on kick, it's stupid and chashes when it's YOU that gets
kicked |
01:15.53 |
CIA-27 |
libirc: 03brlcad * r323 10/trunk/libirc/ (4
files in 4 dirs): test |
01:16.29 |
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01:17.32 |
brlcad |
yukonbob: howdy! |
01:17.36 |
brlcad |
goodbad news :) |
01:18.01 |
brlcad |
I know what causes those specs now |
01:18.58 |
brlcad |
it's related to floating point tolerance on
the negative arb being used to get the inside of that torus (which
is pretty damn creative if I do say so myself) |
01:19.54 |
brlcad |
related to how segments are weaved and how it
ends up with an infinitely thin "cut" segment along the inside of
that cylinder that tweaks the normal ever so slightly |
01:20.24 |
brlcad |
talking with another one of the devs sometime
soon to see if/what we can do about it .. very core/hard problem
that goes back to a really old issue |
01:21.55 |
CIA-27 |
libirc: 03brlcad * r324 10/trunk/libirc/TODO:
test |
01:43.06 |
CIA-27 |
libirc: 03brlcad * r326
10/trunk/libirc/examples/stupidBot/sample.cfg: test |
01:45.36 |
``Erik |
O.o |
01:46.15 |
``Erik |
huh |
01:46.59 |
``Erik |
I hopped on #awos cuz it looked kinda
interesting... lotta folk there also on #bzflag, #bzpod, #bzw,
#bzfx, #bzflag, ... |
01:50.39 |
*** join/#brlcad rdv
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01:52.35 |
CIA-27 |
libirc: 03brlcad * r328
10/trunk/libirc/src/ircBasicCommands.cpp: oops, didn't intend to
commmit the commented-out processing of privmsg |
01:53.10 |
yukonbob |
brlcad: hey :) |
01:54.19 |
brlcad |
awilcox is a bzflagger |
01:54.58 |
yukonbob |
brlcad: re: floating point -- !!!That was my
guess... |
01:55.53 |
brlcad |
yeah, it's in a bizzare backwards
way |
01:57.02 |
brlcad |
it doesn't matter that the cut/intersect
object is in negative space .. it doesn't know the boolean until
it's time to weave segments |
01:58.39 |
yukonbob |
reminds _me_ of dealing with financial
numbers, where nothing of significance is done w/ floating point,
but instead use decimal floats instead of binary -- does any of
that sound interesting for this case? |
01:59.29 |
brlcad |
it's interesting, just not highly practical
:) |
01:59.59 |
brlcad |
doing fixed point math of any sort kills
performance, as that is at the core of the ray-intersection
engine |
02:00.21 |
yukonbob |
ya -- unless there's a specific version for
the IBM z80 :P |
02:00.29 |
brlcad |
heh, true |
02:00.54 |
yukonbob |
well, it is a goodnews/badnews situation isn't
it :) |
02:07.36 |
*** join/#brlcad iday
(n=iday@c-68-50-191-200.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
02:13.56 |
``Erik |
'winny', too |
02:15.07 |
brlcad |
ah |
02:15.16 |
brlcad |
he's a punk kid ;) |
02:15.32 |
brlcad |
good intentions but a lot to learn
still |
02:21.01 |
``Erik |
which? winny? or wilcox? |
02:21.01 |
``Erik |
both kinda seem like punk kids to me
:D |
02:25.50 |
``Erik |
that commercial claimed it was a flatbread,
but it sure didn't look like a flat bread... (quiznos
"sammies") |
02:27.12 |
rdv |
does anyone know if brlcad has been used for
image-based modeling (2D to 3D)? |
02:31.03 |
brlcad |
rdv: not directly that I'm aware of |
02:31.21 |
brlcad |
a great research area, one we've often talked
about getting into |
02:31.37 |
``Erik |
heh, didn't you submit a dri on
that? |
02:31.42 |
brlcad |
yep |
02:33.00 |
``Erik |
I think the implications of how that could be
applied would push me away form that... |
02:33.01 |
brlcad |
I'm pretty sure I could have made it work
too |
02:33.16 |
brlcad |
at least to a proof of concept level |
02:33.39 |
brlcad |
yeah, kinda freaky uses if the system was
solid |
02:33.47 |
``Erik |
making better armor is all grand, but making
better bullets... |
02:34.07 |
brlcad |
especially as it became reasonably near
real-time |
02:35.19 |
brlcad |
it'll all converge one day anyways |
02:35.48 |
brlcad |
maybe I'll do my thesis on it or something
instead |
02:35.51 |
rdv |
well ImageModeler and PhotoModeler exist
already for those who have freaky uses in mind :) |
02:36.02 |
rdv |
not sure how powerful they are
though |
02:36.12 |
brlcad |
rdv: he's talking about a research direction
we almost took down that path |
02:36.28 |
brlcad |
pretty automatic 3D acquisition from
video |
02:36.58 |
rdv |
is this a university or an independent
lab? |
02:37.03 |
brlcad |
i've used image modeler, it's pretty nifty
albeit exceptionally manual and time-intensive |
02:37.14 |
brlcad |
indep. lab |
02:37.21 |
``Erik |
gov't lab |
02:37.55 |
iday |
brlcad: thesis? |
02:38.43 |
brlcad |
yeah.. a little ways off still, but on my
mind |
02:38.50 |
``Erik |
iday == jay-lo? |
02:39.16 |
iday |
yup |
02:39.30 |
``Erik |
singer with the 'badonkadonk'? O.o heh
:D |
02:39.37 |
``Erik |
hah |
02:39.41 |
``Erik |
gaffagan or something |
02:39.46 |
iday |
um... no |
02:39.50 |
iday |
thats missy |
02:39.51 |
``Erik |
gaffigan |
02:39.58 |
``Erik |
hooooooot pockets |
02:40.11 |
``Erik |
so, uh, dude, a mini for your icon?
DORK! |
02:40.16 |
brlcad |
erm, my comment is because I'm munching on
some hot pockets atm :) |
02:40.21 |
iday |
? oh... aim |
02:40.46 |
iday |
and, what, an m3 is cool? so 90s |
02:40.50 |
``Erik |
heh |
02:40.56 |
``Erik |
I drive it, I don't make it my icon |
02:41.13 |
iday |
it was in a pinch.. better than a
leaf |
02:41.39 |
``Erik |
hum, I think I'm using a southpark
icon |
02:41.46 |
``Erik |
other places, I use a hal9000 icon
:) |
02:41.48 |
brlcad |
mm, i'd go for a mini icon :P |
02:41.50 |
iday |
mr. brlcad didn't answer my
question... |
02:42.00 |
``Erik |
yeah, he's an elusive little bitch |
02:42.02 |
iday |
i've seen that one... nice |
02:42.14 |
brlcad |
maaa'aan.. take a look at that mini .. that
suckers HUGE! |
02:42.27 |
iday |
uh huuuh... |
02:42.54 |
iday |
although i do like brlcad's "Combat"
tank |
02:42.57 |
``Erik |
when I worked at fedex, I was using freebsd on
my desktop, used um,sawfish and bits of gnome, turned the gnome
panel black and put it on the right, make the background black and
had a hal eye in the middle of my screen :) |
02:43.02 |
brlcad |
uhh thaank ya .. thank yaa very much |
02:43.07 |
iday |
hehe |
02:43.10 |
``Erik |
I don't think I have brlcad on aim or
yahoo |
02:43.32 |
brlcad |
they're the devil |
02:43.37 |
iday |
hah |
02:43.52 |
iday |
use jabber then |
02:43.58 |
``Erik |
jay-lo, um, "linked in"? |
02:44.10 |
iday |
huh? |
02:44.14 |
brlcad |
the site? |
02:44.33 |
``Erik |
latest 'social network' |
02:44.42 |
``Erik |
more geared for... y'know, grownups... i think
:D |
02:44.45 |
iday |
no - i don't really do any of
those... |
02:45.06 |
iday |
anything is for grownup compared to the likes
of myshiite.. |
02:45.08 |
``Erik |
I got an invite from old cow orkers, so I
succumbed |
02:45.08 |
brlcad |
yeah, it's a prof. connections site .. kinda
pointless unless you're job hunting maybe |
02:45.18 |
brlcad |
been up for a few years |
02:45.25 |
``Erik |
heh, um |
02:45.32 |
``Erik |
diesel sweeties mocked all that just
recently |
02:45.35 |
brlcad |
not nearly as fun as ohloh or
amihotornot |
02:45.49 |
``Erik |
http://www.dieselsweeties.com/ |
02:45.58 |
``Erik |
heh |
02:46.30 |
``Erik |
I remember in the very early days of
'ratemyrack' (thinkin' hotornot)... someone got a high score with a
pick of a 19" rack loaded with gear... |
02:47.02 |
iday |
you and your funky sites... like the
kitties... jeez... the kitties, man! |
02:47.16 |
``Erik |
hahahaha |
02:47.26 |
``Erik |
icanhascheezburger.com !!! |
02:47.29 |
``Erik |
how can you not love it??? |
02:47.32 |
iday |
ha! |
02:47.39 |
brlcad |
clay kitten shooting? |
02:47.50 |
``Erik |
I mean |
02:47.50 |
iday |
trying to get my damn neural network to learn
XOR... not converging for some reason... |
02:48.05 |
``Erik |
"cute" pics, lamer geek humor... ...
:D |
02:48.10 |
brlcad |
ah |
02:48.14 |
``Erik |
that's funny |
02:48.28 |
``Erik |
I drug up my "box o' goodies" like half an
hour ago |
02:48.28 |
iday |
did you see the xkcd? |
02:48.34 |
``Erik |
xkcd is on my daily list |
02:48.39 |
``Erik |
http://math.missouristate.edu/~erik/comics/comic.php |
02:49.03 |
``Erik |
<-- tryin gto decide what ic's to put on
his breadboard... the 16f88, or a few 74 series ttl's |
02:49.03 |
iday |
mrs roberts? |
02:49.11 |
starseeker |
brlcad: Where would you want to do your phd
at? |
02:49.25 |
iday |
brlcad: phd? |
02:49.37 |
iday |
brlcad: ANSWER ME :-) |
02:50.02 |
iday |
``Erik: must punch brlcad the next time you
see him |
02:50.07 |
``Erik |
um |
02:50.13 |
``Erik |
he might punch back |
02:50.17 |
starseeker |
lol |
02:50.18 |
iday |
so? |
02:50.22 |
``Erik |
and if ya hain't noticed, there may be a
slight muscle mass difference |
02:50.35 |
iday |
come on - just drink some beer
beforehand... |
02:50.59 |
brlcad |
iday: I did answer! |
02:51.07 |
``Erik |
I don't get THAT stupid after imbibing,
dude |
02:51.14 |
brlcad |
"yeah.. a little ways off still, but on my
mind" |
02:51.34 |
starseeker |
Is John Hopkins a candidate for that sort of
work? |
02:51.53 |
iday |
doh... musta missed it :( |
02:52.04 |
iday |
which is? |
02:52.07 |
brlcad |
i was looking at schools all weekend |
02:52.31 |
brlcad |
all spawned by an ad I ran across for a uni
that specializes in alife |
02:52.41 |
``Erik |
I don't want to nickle and dime my way to a
masters, I'd want to go on hiatus and commit myself, at some place
like cmu or stanford |
02:52.57 |
iday |
ahh |
02:53.00 |
brlcad |
starseeker: not the classes I'd take, it's not
fun if it's something I already know |
02:53.06 |
iday |
yeah... a bit hard to do that
anywhere... |
02:53.08 |
``Erik |
starseeker: I think brlcad is good enough to
understand how to learn |
02:53.47 |
``Erik |
when I was doing my undergrad work, I figured
out what profs knewwhat and bugged them after hours for the extra
yard |
02:53.48 |
brlcad |
i lern good |
02:53.52 |
``Erik |
"gud" |
02:54.07 |
``Erik |
lurn how tew spll |
02:54.11 |
``Erik |
heh |
02:54.15 |
iday |
coledge stoodint |
02:54.16 |
brlcad |
guuda chese |
02:54.32 |
starseeker |
brlcad: Heh. You might get drafted - being a
grad student kinda sucks in the "free will" department... |
02:54.33 |
``Erik |
there was jabber about how spelling is being
taught at lunch yesterday... |
02:54.52 |
``Erik |
unfortunately, there's no good way to vocalize
something like "hukt on fonix wurkd for me" |
02:55.13 |
``Erik |
mmmm gouda |
02:56.01 |
iday |
``Erik: probably headed to CMU
myself |
02:56.03 |
``Erik |
I REALLY need to stop reading sites like
folklore.org and paul grahams site |
02:56.20 |
``Erik |
um, hoolio is doing his bs there I
think |
02:56.29 |
iday |
considering a leave of absence too |
02:56.37 |
iday |
hoolio? |
02:56.44 |
``Erik |
last time I did my research, if languages and
operating systems are your thing, it's really hard to beat
cmu |
02:56.53 |
iday |
or robotics/ai! |
02:56.57 |
``Erik |
yeah, bpoole |
02:57.08 |
starseeker |
``Erik: Wouldn't it have to pertain to CAD in
some shape or form, for you to get the OK to do it? |
02:57.28 |
``Erik |
robotics are fun, ai is neat, but I tend to
work more towards fundamental theory of computation myself
:/ |
02:57.35 |
starseeker |
:-) |
02:57.37 |
iday |
:-) |
02:58.10 |
iday |
yeah - then you can write the 2-3 turing
machine and prove it :-) |
02:58.10 |
brlcad |
starseeker: not really |
02:58.26 |
``Erik |
heh, wanna copy of my 'brainfuck' suite?
compilers, intepreter, and the beginnings of optimization
stuff... |
02:58.43 |
starseeker |
brlcad: cool :-) |
02:58.48 |
iday |
urgh -- actually i was looking at llvm the
other night |
02:59.25 |
iday |
maybe do some language experimentation once i
get finished with the classes |
02:59.33 |
``Erik |
my thinking is that any 'solid' optimization
on brainfuck could provide a solid theory/lemme grade optimization
for any language |
03:00.05 |
iday |
perhaps - but the primitives are so limited...
no real high-level concepts there |
03:00.22 |
``Erik |
'partial evaluation', a pretty complex notion,
is represented pretty easily in bf |
03:00.39 |
starseeker |
cmu is really good - their CMUCL lisp
implementation and derivatives thereof are the best free lisps
available for a lot of things |
03:00.52 |
``Erik |
but it's not a PROVEN notion, and it's
approached very ad hoc in practical optimization passes |
03:01.13 |
iday |
prove it and get a dissertation...
done. |
03:01.17 |
iday |
like nash |
03:01.20 |
``Erik |
if it were formalized at the low turing level,
mebbe it'd find a much more mature invocation in 'pragmatic'
languages |
03:01.34 |
``Erik |
cmucl seems ok, I've been looking more at sbcl
myself... |
03:01.47 |
starseeker |
sbcl is a derivative of cmucl |
03:02.29 |
``Erik |
I'm learning emacs and slime against
sbcl |
03:02.41 |
starseeker |
That's the right way to do it :-) |
03:02.45 |
iday |
oh my |
03:02.45 |
``Erik |
<-- is a schemer, so is having some trouble
adapting to the language, PLUS a new editor (being a
vimmer) |
03:02.57 |
iday |
did Erik say he's touching emacs??? |
03:03.05 |
``Erik |
yes, yes I did |
03:03.08 |
``Erik |
emacs 22 and slime |
03:03.18 |
iday |
again, i say "oh, my" |
03:03.20 |
``Erik |
and I've griped to brlcad about the suckiness
of it |
03:03.24 |
iday |
hah |
03:03.29 |
``Erik |
but I'm sticking with it |
03:03.31 |
iday |
i'm sure he's appreciated your rants |
03:04.07 |
``Erik |
even though watching brlcad use emacs to edit
a shell script on a projector made me definitely think that either
emacs sucks ass or he sucks at using it... *cough* O:-) |
03:04.08 |
brlcad |
iday: have you seen the new
aquaemacs? |
03:04.19 |
brlcad |
i just saw it today, installed it for
bob... |
03:04.31 |
brlcad |
damn if it didn't finally seem usable and
fully properly integrated |
03:04.56 |
iday |
i've been using it for several years - and yes
I have the new one (unless there's a new one in the last
month) |
03:05.15 |
brlcad |
i don't mean the original aqua emacs that was
on sf.net and elsewhere |
03:05.19 |
iday |
except they screwed up the configuration
again |
03:05.25 |
iday |
i know |
03:05.35 |
brlcad |
http://aquamacs.org |
03:05.39 |
iday |
you mean aquamacs |
03:05.41 |
iday |
yes |
03:05.42 |
brlcad |
yeah |
03:05.50 |
brlcad |
slick |
03:05.59 |
starseeker |
``Erik: I have my beefs with Emacs, but the
sense I get is that for many purposes it's so much better than
anything else that people use it rather than do what it would take
to make a better one... |
03:06.04 |
brlcad |
f'ing stupid icon, butgood port |
03:06.11 |
iday |
yeah - the only thing i use for non-java
coding |
03:06.21 |
brlcad |
stupid cowhorse with poney tails |
03:06.22 |
iday |
no kidding |
03:06.35 |
``Erik |
heh |
03:06.36 |
iday |
ha |
03:06.42 |
``Erik |
um |
03:06.54 |
``Erik |
yes, it has its purpose... lemme find a url
for ya... |
03:07.21 |
brlcad |
i might actually want to stop using console
emacs sometime |
03:07.24 |
starseeker |
``Erik: What's driving you to learn
lisp? |
03:07.55 |
brlcad |
he's a scheme nut, using lisp makes him seem
slightly less insane |
03:08.13 |
``Erik |
um, long term scheme appreciation, and things
like "mod-lisp" |
03:08.20 |
CIA-27 |
libirc: 03JeffM2501 * r329 10/trunk/libirc/
(include/IRCClient.h src/IRCClient.cpp
src/irClientEvents.cpp): |
03:08.22 |
CIA-27 |
libirc: send the connection event when we
first get some data, not when the MOTD is done. |
03:08.24 |
CIA-27 |
libirc: This gives us the best possible state
as early as possible. |
03:08.28 |
``Erik |
I want to use some kinda lithp backed system
to figure out ajax |
03:08.39 |
``Erik |
and I want persistant globals across the
threads |
03:08.51 |
starseeker |
Ah :-) |
03:10.09 |
iday |
someone was already working on a lisp-based
web framework using ajax... darned if i remember where i saw though
- maybe off lemonodor? |
03:11.28 |
starseeker |
Is this the one? http://www.holygoat.co.uk/applications/cl-ajax/cl-ajax |
03:12.22 |
starseeker |
Or if you're a hunchentoot fan: http://85.65.214.241/misc/ht-ajax.html |
03:12.57 |
iday |
not the same one i saw... it had a working
demo... maybe defmacro - yeah looks like defmacro: http://common-lisp.net/project/cl-weblocks/ |
03:13.58 |
starseeker |
iday: Nice |
03:17.10 |
CIA-27 |
BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/NEWS: |
03:17.14 |
CIA-27 |
BRL-CAD: bob fixed a bug exposed with the
opendb command where it would crash if you said |
03:17.16 |
CIA-27 |
BRL-CAD: no to create a new file. it was a
windows-specific bug related to trying to |
03:17.18 |
CIA-27 |
BRL-CAD: close fd 0 (which happened to be the
default descriptor value). now set to -1 |
03:17.20 |
CIA-27 |
BRL-CAD: and is checked. |
03:17.34 |
``Erik |
cl-ajax is the one I've been looking at,
yes |
03:17.49 |
``Erik |
"nowadays"? dude, it's always been
done |
03:18.25 |
``Erik |
um |
03:18.32 |
``Erik |
take viaweb for example |
03:18.35 |
``Erik |
aka yahoo stores |
03:18.47 |
starseeker |
Oh, the famous example of making money with
lisp :-) |
03:18.51 |
``Erik |
paul graham and robert morris |
03:18.52 |
``Erik |
:D |
03:18.54 |
``Erik |
well |
03:19.00 |
``Erik |
ratchet and clank might be more
famous |
03:19.06 |
``Erik |
or autocad |
03:20.06 |
``Erik |
heh |
03:20.14 |
``Erik |
someone said something along the lines of,
um |
03:20.25 |
``Erik |
"java drug the developers halfway to
lisp" |
03:20.32 |
starseeker |
Yes, Guy Steele |
03:20.34 |
iday |
http://www.lambdassociates.org/lC21.htm |
03:20.42 |
iday |
hehe |
03:20.53 |
starseeker |
iday: Oh, you know about Qi? :-) |
03:20.55 |
``Erik |
oh, guy steele, yes |
03:20.58 |
``Erik |
the scheme guy! |
03:20.59 |
``Erik |
hah |
03:21.06 |
iday |
haven't played with it... but yeah |
03:21.07 |
starseeker |
iday: I'm actually very interested in
Qi |
03:21.08 |
``Erik |
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03:21.08 |
``Erik |
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03:22.00 |
iday |
starseeker: i'm interesting in seeing phase
3 |
03:22.04 |
iday |
interested |
03:22.25 |
iday |
although I |
03:22.39 |
iday |
i'm unimpressed with Tk choice |
03:22.46 |
iday |
that' |
03:22.46 |
starseeker |
iday: Any strong mathematics system like
Axiom needs a strongly typed language, and SPAD (Axiom's current
language) isn't even well defined |
03:22.52 |
iday |
kinda turned me off |
03:23.02 |
starseeker |
yeah, I don't care about the tk part (sorry tk
fans) |
03:23.07 |
iday |
strongly typed you say... |
03:23.08 |
``Erik |
tcl has never thrilled me |
03:23.27 |
``Erik |
I dorked with it a little, thought it was
lame, then got into thcheme, and viewed tcl has a halfassed wannabe
:/ |
03:23.28 |
iday |
yeah - i need to play with qi - just to
see |
03:23.44 |
starseeker |
iday: Aldor (www.aldor.org) was the
replacement language for SPAD, and some would probably consider it
the best mathematical programming language for a CAS available
today, but they gummed up the license |
03:24.11 |
starseeker |
So we can learn from Aldor, but can't use it
:-( |
03:24.59 |
``Erik |
the last couple days, I've been looking more
at asm and javame :( I'm turning lame *cry* |
03:25.02 |
starseeker |
Qi seems to have done many things the "right
way" - implemented the new language inside lisp rather than having
an external compiler, is willing to listen to and talk
intelligently with critics |
03:25.04 |
brlcad |
iday: I think my arms are back to what they
were, or really close |
03:25.05 |
iday |
interesting... haven't played with too many
algebra systems myself. |
03:25.24 |
starseeker |
iday: It's my hobby obsession :-) |
03:25.25 |
iday |
brlcad: bastard. well - come over and play
with your godson then |
03:25.32 |
brlcad |
(at least in size, not strength quite
yet) |
03:25.40 |
iday |
brlcad: you can lift him up and down
:-) |
03:25.48 |
``Erik |
heh |
03:25.51 |
brlcad |
but I am le sore |
03:25.56 |
*** join/#brlcad Twingy
(n=justin@74.92.144.217) |
03:26.12 |
iday |
and I am le tired |
03:26.17 |
starseeker |
iday: Started with Maxima, but once I learned
enough to appreciate how really messed up (and theoretically weak)
it was/is, Axiom seemed like the obvious choice |
03:26.44 |
starseeker |
iday: Not that Axiom isn't messed up too, but
at least it's theoretically closer to what a "proper" CAS should
be... |
03:26.46 |
iday |
starseeker: have played with maxima... but the
interface was too clunky for me to get too into it |
03:26.46 |
``Erik |
'maxim'? the magazine? O.o |
03:26.48 |
``Erik |
:D |
03:26.55 |
``Erik |
oi, twiggly |
03:26.58 |
Twingy |
I haven't had hot pockets in ages |
03:27.21 |
Twingy |
when you said maxim I was reminded of the
maxim231 rs232 ttl cmos converter |
03:27.22 |
``Erik |
*smirk* and the fire alarm hasn't gone off in
ages, go figure :D |
03:27.26 |
starseeker |
iday: Yeah, that's a general problem with
open source CAS |
03:27.33 |
``Erik |
heh |
03:27.37 |
starseeker |
iday: Did you try the TeXmacs
interface? |
03:28.00 |
starseeker |
or wxmaxima? Those are probably the closest
to tolerable |
03:28.07 |
Twingy |
cept I'm using TI7404's now because I can get
away with 5V instead of 7 |
03:28.27 |
iday |
starseeker: no - i saw something like that was
available... but at the time i was trying to use it for a class,
and no time to futz with it |
03:28.33 |
starseeker |
Ah. |
03:28.45 |
iday |
starseeker: i tried wxmaxima the other day -
argh |
03:28.54 |
starseeker |
Not what you need eh? |
03:29.10 |
Twingy |
btw Erik I finally got my DB-III |
03:29.18 |
iday |
starseeker: i |
03:29.32 |
starseeker |
iday: Doing something like Mathematica's
interactive 2D input typesetting interface is probably the way to
go in the long term, but it's a very difficult problem. |
03:29.38 |
iday |
starseeker: am just picky about interfaces
(and I keep tapping the frikkin return key) |
03:29.45 |
iday |
yes |
03:29.59 |
starseeker |
iday: That's why I am interested in McCLIM
and the Stix fonts, for example |
03:30.03 |
starseeker |
they are critical pieces |
03:30.04 |
iday |
however - lyx doesn't do too bad |
03:30.12 |
starseeker |
for one liners it's ok |
03:30.25 |
``Erik |
w00t, how's gaytech going? |
03:30.31 |
iday |
haha |
03:30.48 |
iday |
twingy looked a bit stressed today... maybe
that was the soot |
03:31.10 |
Twingy |
``Erik, very difficult |
03:31.14 |
``Erik |
one of the things that really endeared latex
to me was that the layout was very divorced from the creative
cycle |
03:31.19 |
starseeker |
There's an McCLIM app called GSharp that has
done amazing work with interactive music typesetting using McCLIM,
and I think many of those pieces will be helpful someday in a
proper math GUI. But there are so many things to fix before the
GUI... :-( |
03:31.30 |
iday |
``Erik: of course |
03:31.32 |
``Erik |
not even worth worrying about layout, just do
the fucking content... |
03:31.54 |
iday |
only until you need to embed a graphic. and
then things get a bit painful |
03:31.57 |
starseeker |
iday: Actually, if you don't need interactive
typesetting I recommend Emaxima |
03:31.58 |
``Erik |
opposed to 'word', where it's easy to distract
yourself be tweaking visual elements instead of being
productive... |
03:32.02 |
``Erik |
eps ftw |
03:32.12 |
iday |
starseeker: have to take a look at
it |
03:32.26 |
``Erik |
encapsulated postscript |
03:32.37 |
iday |
or pgf - program your figures |
03:32.50 |
starseeker |
Brain child of Jay Belanger |
03:32.51 |
``Erik |
imagemagick's "convert" can make 'em, and they
just 'work' if you output to ps (then use ps2pdf or
something) |
03:32.57 |
iday |
pdflatex uses pdf figures as well |
03:33.08 |
starseeker |
Emaxima rocks - I helped with some of the
early debugging on it |
03:33.44 |
``Erik |
aaaanyways, it seems to me that toys like LyX
kinda defeat one of the biggest advantages :D |
03:33.55 |
``Erik |
that was the reason for my tangent |
03:34.10 |
iday |
you don't have to do any "layout" in
lyx... |
03:34.16 |
starseeker |
``Erik: Lyx is actually an interesting
compromise between hiding syntax details of markup and lack of
interactive WYSIWYG behavor |
03:34.34 |
starseeker |
most of the problem with users of Lyx is they
expect WYSIWYG |
03:34.42 |
iday |
saves some \begin{} and \end{} typing (but not
all of it) |
03:34.56 |
iday |
WYSIWYM! |
03:35.07 |
``Erik |
erm, you don't have vim macros for automatic
teTeX output? |
03:35.14 |
``Erik |
or, uh, emacs macros? |
03:35.37 |
iday |
i like the pretty equation visualization
;-) |
03:35.57 |
starseeker |
``Erik: Well, we have AucTeX but for a lot of
students who don't go that deep into the typesetting side of things
Lyx is a good compromise |
03:36.10 |
``Erik |
I'm often tempted to write a
scheme<->tex(math mode) translator |
03:36.15 |
``Erik |
I mean, they're almsot identical |
03:36.25 |
iday |
``Erik: you |
03:36.31 |
iday |
're hilarious sometimes, |
03:36.34 |
starseeker |
Lyx and TeXmacs have the best equation input
setups I've ever used - Lyx has the best dialog I've ever used, and
TeXmacs keybindings are extremely smooth once you know
them |
03:36.35 |
``Erik |
:d |
03:36.36 |
``Erik |
:D |
03:36.49 |
``Erik |
I also want to write a sexp<->xml
translator |
03:36.59 |
starseeker |
``Erik: cl-typesetting would like you
:-) |
03:37.15 |
Twingy |
``Erik, did you see crayon physics? |
03:37.26 |
``Erik |
xml is just an obscenely ugly and verbose form
of a subset of sexp |
03:37.32 |
``Erik |
no? crayon physics? O.o |
03:37.43 |
``Erik |
same nature as, um, britney speares doing
semiconductor physics? |
03:37.48 |
iday |
Twingy: i sent it to brlcad earlier |
03:37.52 |
iday |
he may not have shared |
03:38.21 |
brlcad |
hm, who what? |
03:38.25 |
starseeker |
iday: Ahem - anyway, back to cad
:-) |
03:38.28 |
``Erik |
I think first I'll build yet another 74 based
ripple adder |
03:38.29 |
brlcad |
i'm innocent |
03:38.33 |
brlcad |
she said she was 19 |
03:38.35 |
``Erik |
THEN try to tie the simm to the pic |
03:38.43 |
iday |
brlcad: jeez |
03:38.57 |
brlcad |
okay 18 |
03:39.00 |
iday |
alright - since neural nets are off topic
here, back to work |
03:39.02 |
``Erik |
you're 30 now, quit hitting on the freshmen at
the frat parties, step up to the sophmores |
03:39.05 |
``Erik |
*cough* O:-) |
03:39.22 |
starseeker |
brlcad: There's a topic - can neural nets be
applied to CAD? ;-) |
03:39.42 |
brlcad |
thought 'bout it some |
03:40.00 |
``Erik |
starseeker: look at src/gtools/beset...
genetic algo's applied to cad... |
03:40.19 |
starseeker |
iday: So, you're on topic after all
;-) |
03:40.33 |
brlcad |
mebbie but the dimensionality of most of the
problems is a bitch for a nn, but you could use a nn as part of
some bigger solution |
03:40.48 |
``Erik |
evolving a good nn via a ga... etc |
03:41.01 |
iday |
well, i'll be using a EA to grow NN for my
project this semester |
03:41.09 |
iday |
hopefully to implement target
tracking |
03:41.25 |
CIA-27 |
libirc: 03JeffM2501 * r330
10/trunk/libirc/src/IRCClient.cpp: when we are quiting, don't
complain about not having network command handlers when the network
itself is not valid. |
03:41.29 |
brlcad |
bpoole's beset GA showed quite a bit of
feasibility of the approach for some problems |
03:41.32 |
``Erik |
see, more of that 'better bullet' shit, I
can't get behind that :( |
03:41.54 |
brlcad |
``Erik: but you can get in front of them?
:) |
03:41.55 |
iday |
um - not for bullets, for
information |
03:42.02 |
iday |
surveillance |
03:42.10 |
iday |
jeez |
03:42.32 |
``Erik |
I have no problem keeping kids from getting
dead, but I get squeemish at the notion of getting kids
dead... |
03:42.41 |
brlcad |
~bzfrag ``Erik |
03:42.42 |
ibot |
ACTION skewers ``Erik with a super
bullet |
03:42.44 |
iday |
i really wouln't work on the better bullet
approach either (although, many good things can be used in
nefarious ways) |
03:43.16 |
starseeker |
It's all tools in the end - in a battlefield
situation, the idea is to keep at it until someone can't
continue |
03:43.23 |
rdv |
brlcad: i'm interested in what adding IBMR to
the software would entail. i realize it's difficult to estimate
off the top of one's head |
03:43.23 |
``Erik |
yeah, my threshhold for observing nefarious
misuse has shifted in the last, ohhhh, 6, almost 7 years |
03:43.45 |
brlcad |
rdv: that's way too open-ended :) |
03:44.36 |
starseeker |
``Erik: there's this, too - if you don't know
what you might find being shot at someone someday, it's harder to
design around it |
03:44.43 |
brlcad |
what do you mean by it? something with a gui
that lets you pick points in multiple views? something
programmatic? automatic/manual shape/edge/feature detection?
console/command driven? |
03:45.17 |
rdv |
well for a first phase, maybe rectangular
textures by picking 4 points on each of 2 pictures |
03:45.42 |
CIA-27 |
libirc: 03JeffM2501 * r331
10/trunk/libirc/examples/stupidBot/src/stupidBot.cpp: throttle the
inital channel joins, do them one at a time, and only after we have
the MOTD, and a valid nick |
03:46.00 |
``Erik |
my observation is that if you give
warmongering imbeciles a technology to defend against tomorrows
bullets, they'll figure out how to field those imagined
bullets. |
03:47.25 |
``Erik |
albert einsteins quote, um, about not knowing
what weapons ww3 will be fought with, but ww4 being fought with
sticks and stones... :) strikes a chord with me |
03:48.08 |
starseeker |
``Erik: Given the weapons we already have,
it's just a matter of degree at this point. |
03:48.35 |
``Erik |
the weapons are just a tool, unfortunately...
it's the lack of civilization |
03:48.47 |
starseeker |
Correct |
03:48.58 |
brlcad |
rdv: if someone was already familiar with the
libs and interfaces and could dedicate time to it, I could see
having something minimal like that in a few weeks .. that quickly
expands to a few months though as you get to actual general use for
making more than boxes and outlined shapes |
03:49.15 |
``Erik |
american aggresion inthe middle east has
scared russia, who's arming up... so china gets scared and is
arming up...it's a vicious feedback cycle |
03:49.43 |
starseeker |
Lack of tools won't stop anybody - most of
history's wars managed to kill lots of people with what were in
essence extreme refinements of the club... |
03:49.59 |
brlcad |
rdv: brl-cad already has a facilities for
creating/manipulating/storeing/processing geometry, so most of the
work would be focused on the actual gui and IBMR calcs |
03:50.11 |
``Erik |
and given the near obliteration experiences in
teh last half century, ... I doubt modern politicians have the
ability to behave in rational ways like their
predecessors |
03:50.34 |
starseeker |
Which underscores the need for everyone to
vote in elections |
03:50.49 |
``Erik |
then throw in 'hot' areas of extremists
getting "wmd's"... israel stealing nuke base and adopting a policy
of "share the pain"... wtf |
03:51.15 |
``Erik |
if we don't become a space faring race awfully
soon, we'll probably stop being a race. |
03:51.30 |
``Erik |
also; whiskey good *grunt* |
03:51.41 |
brlcad |
get 'em! |
03:51.46 |
``Erik |
heh |
03:52.13 |
``Erik |
yeah, I'm scared of the world situation. the
rapid degredation is horrifying. :) |
03:52.30 |
starseeker |
There are so many good things that could come
of that |
03:52.59 |
``Erik |
I think it's real, but misplaced... I think it
smells more like "we're still badasses, we can beat the damn
commies... again" |
03:53.06 |
``Erik |
opposed to real sustained
advancement |
03:53.10 |
brlcad |
c'est la vie, have fun and enjoy life while
you have it |
03:53.30 |
starseeker |
<snort> If we hadn't had the race for
space, we would never have walked on the moon. |
03:53.33 |
``Erik |
china seems to be avoiding the critical flaw
the ussr had |
03:53.41 |
brlcad |
just/more likely to die on your way home (as
you so flippingly found out already) |
03:53.49 |
``Erik |
heh |
03:53.51 |
``Erik |
well |
03:53.55 |
starseeker |
If we have to make it a race/contest to
overcome human nature, oh well - at least it's better than slugging
it out |
03:54.08 |
``Erik |
I wasn't exactly driving home when I rolled
the sports car :) |
03:54.22 |
brlcad |
doesn't matter, it's still in the
odds |
03:54.45 |
starseeker |
arrgh - you rolled a sports car?? |
03:55.02 |
``Erik |
yeah... but, y'know, if it takes me, it takes
me... otherwise, I'll try to maximize the long term benefit of my
activities as much as possible |
03:55.32 |
``Erik |
yeah, starseeker... bmw m3... hit two trees,
flipped, went upside down across a road, hit a hill and two other
trees, ended up on the side |
03:55.46 |
``Erik |
got lucky SO manytimes on that
adventure |
03:56.15 |
starseeker |
holy cow |
03:56.16 |
``Erik |
inches from a frame stop on the first tree
which woulda killed me, arm happened to flop in during the roll so
I got to keep it, etc... |
03:56.24 |
``Erik |
megajoules. |
03:56.29 |
``Erik |
I computed it before I went to court |
03:57.01 |
starseeker |
So you're taking the bus nowadays? |
03:57.08 |
``Erik |
heh, no |
03:57.36 |
``Erik |
insurance company totally paid everything off,
and I was so damn impressed at how I stepepd out that I went and
bought another m3 |
03:57.47 |
``Erik |
haven't rolled this one yet ;) |
03:58.14 |
``Erik |
not an issue, I never drive anywys
:D |
03:58.19 |
``Erik |
gas is too damn expensive |
03:58.24 |
starseeker |
Heh |
03:58.30 |
starseeker |
Yeah, that's for sure |
03:59.12 |
``Erik |
brlcad and iday can attest... I make sure to
keep the rear seats disassembled and leave my car key in the office
when going to lunch :D |
04:00.04 |
``Erik |
I'm tempted to junk my current truck and buy
another and use that as my daily driver |
04:00.10 |
``Erik |
hey, brlcad, wanna buy a truck? :D |
04:00.43 |
brlcad |
http://www.sixwise.com/newsletters/05/07/13/the_six_most_feared_but_least_likely_causes_of_death.htm |
04:01.19 |
``Erik |
heh |
04:01.38 |
``Erik |
<-- has been rating auto accident and
alcohol as his top two probably |
04:02.15 |
brlcad |
eh.. how about adding physical inactivity too
:) |
04:02.24 |
brlcad |
you *ever* hit the apg gym? :) |
04:02.30 |
``Erik |
not the apg one |
04:02.38 |
``Erik |
I have one about 2 minutes walk from my
house |
04:02.51 |
brlcad |
which you of course walk to every day
:) |
04:02.58 |
``Erik |
heh, hell no |
04:03.04 |
brlcad |
after a couple beers |
04:03.23 |
``Erik |
but, uh, once in a while... and I do distance
walks once in a while... |
04:03.37 |
``Erik |
stairs all the time (there is no bathroom on
the 'main' floor of my house) |
04:03.45 |
starseeker |
brlcad: It sounds like you can use ``Erik to
do some real world testing of vehicle related ballistic modeling
;-) |
04:03.48 |
``Erik |
pushups and sittups once in a
while... |
04:04.06 |
``Erik |
and my diet has gotten a lot better the last
couple years, I mena, I went from 180 to 150 |
04:04.23 |
``Erik |
'nut' was helpful in that |
04:05.13 |
``Erik |
heh |
04:05.16 |
starseeker |
hehe |
04:05.24 |
starseeker |
the truck would lose |
04:05.33 |
brlcad |
banking on them sorting out those problems in
about 30 years |
04:06.15 |
``Erik |
my parents have neither... my dad has high
cholesterol, and so do I... but given the fluctuation on medical
opinion of cholesterol... *shrug* probably aint' an issue |
04:06.23 |
starseeker |
``Erik: just kidding around. That's one heck
of a crash to have survived - you're very lucky |
04:06.42 |
``Erik |
shit, when my dad went on an extreme low
cholesterol diet, his readings went UP |
04:07.05 |
``Erik |
starseeker: my cam was fucked up... but...
http://math.missouristate.edu/~erik/m3/20060925/640x480/ |
04:07.35 |
``Erik |
my community gym is 24/7...I have a proxy card
:) |
04:07.47 |
starseeker |
Wow - actually in better shape than I would
have expected |
04:08.18 |
``Erik |
was a damn good car, and I got damn
lucky |
04:08.25 |
starseeker |
I see why you got another one |
04:08.53 |
brlcad |
you should have put a "Designed for Windows
XP" sticker on it |
04:08.56 |
``Erik |
amusingly enough |
04:09.13 |
``Erik |
after I killed the blue one, I bought one with
"performance modifications" |
04:09.18 |
``Erik |
and my insurance went down a lot |
04:09.36 |
starseeker |
That's some funky math |
04:09.46 |
``Erik |
that was about when I turned 30 |
04:09.48 |
``Erik |
... |
04:10.13 |
starseeker |
Oh, OK. Age does have a lot to do with
it |
04:11.01 |
``Erik |
was weird, I paid like $1005 fora 6mo,
wrecked... bought a newer fancier version... got a letter saying my
rate had increased mor ethan 15% and here's my refund |
04:11.09 |
``Erik |
and the nextcycle was like $835 or
something |
04:13.53 |
``Erik |
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04:14.01 |
``Erik |
if you have the opportunity to toe up against
a tree |
04:14.07 |
``Erik |
politely pass on that |
04:14.18 |
``Erik |
trees're damn tough |
04:14.27 |
starseeker |
Good advice |
04:24.37 |
``Erik |
indeed |
04:24.44 |
``Erik |
unlike some punkassed bitch
contractors |
04:24.59 |
``Erik |
I'll get in trouble if I don't "punch the
clock" at the right time |
04:26.12 |
brlcad |
there's no clock to punch if you just don't
stop coding |
04:28.35 |
``Erik |
IT walks circuits in the morning and
evening. |
04:29.05 |
``Erik |
if I cooked an overnight crunch, Iwouldn't be
credited the overnight hours, as I hadn't filled out the proper
paperwork |
04:30.50 |
brlcad |
could go for a brisk midnight walk
:) |
04:31.29 |
``Erik |
the 'greenway' here is closed after dark,a nd
old fuckers will call the cops on you :( |
04:33.13 |
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04:46.50 |
brlcad |
damn, burnt the coffee a little |
04:47.21 |
brlcad |
mm.. and beowulf comes out today as well as
love in the time of cholera |
04:58.39 |
``Erik |
beowulf... the movie? |
04:58.48 |
``Erik |
cuz, uh, ya MIGHT be a LITTLe behind for the
book |
04:59.51 |
``Erik |
when I lived in memphis, I was maybe 5-6
minutes walk from the library, and had started getting old enough
to have an appreciation for history |
05:00.11 |
``Erik |
so the first book I checked out was the oldest
(source) book they had... beowulf... |
05:00.23 |
``Erik |
and next was 'the prince' |
05:00.26 |
``Erik |
then I moved :/ |
05:01.35 |
``Erik |
project gutenburg seems promising, but at the
computer, I keep dorking around instead of reading :( |
06:03.02 |
brlcad |
yeah, the movie |
06:03.42 |
brlcad |
i read the book too, hail hrothgar! |
06:03.54 |
brlcad |
but the movie has angelina hawtness |
06:04.24 |
brlcad |
the screenplay is probably no better than tomb
raider, but still fun |
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CIA-27 |
libirc: 03brlcad * r333 10/trunk/libirc/ (11
files in 6 dirs): s/receve/receive/g |
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09:39.45 |
Defcon |
happy hacking today |
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brlcad |
Defcon: heh, thx ;) |
15:45.05 |
Defcon |
haha :) |
15:45.10 |
Defcon |
was like 6 hours ago :) |
15:45.22 |
Defcon |
my hacking day is over in 15 minutes |
15:45.22 |
Defcon |
:) |
15:47.50 |
Defcon |
:) |
15:47.51 |
Defcon |
good :) |
15:48.00 |
Defcon |
did u have a productive day? |
15:48.20 |
brlcad |
a productive night |
15:48.24 |
brlcad |
it's now 10am :) |
15:48.25 |
Defcon |
:D |
15:48.33 |
brlcad |
been going since 9am yesterday |
15:48.44 |
Defcon |
25hours straight.. :) |
15:49.45 |
Defcon |
my SQL Server is being a bitch :@ |
15:57.05 |
CIA-27 |
BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald *
10brlcad/src/librt/wdb_obj.c: fail gracefully when xpush is called
with a primitive, instead of crashing |
15:57.45 |
Defcon |
.. |
15:57.53 |
Defcon |
is that a good sign? |
15:59.04 |
brlcad |
(user visible) |
15:59.20 |
``Erik |
well |
15:59.33 |
``Erik |
if you have a moment, mind making sure I
didn't change valid semantis? |
15:59.35 |
``Erik |
semantics |
16:00.01 |
brlcad |
after my phonecon, sure |
16:00.47 |
``Erik |
aight, I don't wanna chew on NEWS if my 'fix'
breaks stuff... :D (staying in (and/or going home) for
lunch?) |
16:01.34 |
Defcon |
cya next week |
16:01.38 |
Defcon |
<== going home |
18:59.17 |
yukonbob |
nice toenail polish |
18:59.52 |
yukonbob |
what do you call that colour? |
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20:01.10 |
ManicMechE |
quick question |
20:01.49 |
ManicMechE |
I just installed BRL-CAD 7.10.on my
Mac |
20:02.00 |
ManicMechE |
7.10.4 |
20:02.17 |
ManicMechE |
and I'm not sure where to find anything that
it installed |
20:02.57 |
ManicMechE |
not in the applications folder |
20:03.04 |
ManicMechE |
not in the root directory |
20:03.13 |
ManicMechE |
not in my home directory |
20:08.55 |
``Erik |
hum, mebbe look for /usr/brlcad ? |
20:09.39 |
brlcad |
ManicMechE: you'll need to run X11 (in
Utilities folder), then run /usr/brlcad/bin/mged |
20:09.48 |
brlcad |
in the xterm that opens up |
20:09.55 |
brlcad |
alas we're still tied to X11 on the
mac |
20:10.40 |
ManicMechE |
I found it on my own, but it seems
angry |
20:10.43 |
``Erik |
30 hours now? |
20:11.08 |
ManicMechE |
Break on
__THE_PROCESS_HAS_FORKED_AND_YOU_CANNOT_USE_THIS_COREFOUNDATION_FUNCTI |
20:11.08 |
ManicMechE |
NALITY___YOU_MUST_EXEC__() to debug. |
20:12.42 |
ManicMechE |
(sorry if I'm a bit of a noob, I've been
teaching myself how to use the command line and just getting into
oss and such) |
20:14.28 |
brlcad |
ManicMechE: did it actually say
that? |
20:14.42 |
brlcad |
that's the first I'ver heard of
that.. |
20:15.01 |
brlcad |
you can run /usr/brlcad/bin/mged -f and it
won't detach |
20:15.23 |
ManicMechE |
yep |
20:18.19 |
ManicMechE |
hey, now I'm getting somewhere |
20:18.34 |
ManicMechE |
brlcad: thanks, I'll let you know if I have
anymore questions |
20:27.06 |
brlcad |
ManicMechE: no problem, someones always here
;) |
20:27.30 |
brlcad |
``Erik: and I entirely intend to stop at the
gym on the way home for a couple hours |
20:38.21 |
prasad1 |
ah gym |
20:38.34 |
prasad1 |
lost all interest after i left |
20:38.37 |
prasad1 |
:( |
20:39.19 |
iday |
prasad1!!! :-) How' |
20:39.21 |
iday |
s it going? |
20:39.41 |
iday |
iday == jlo |
20:39.49 |
``Erik |
heh, so you're punchdrunk and goofy... and
you'll make sure your muscles are worn down and you're short on
bloodsugar and energy? when're you driving, I wanna make sure I'm
not ont he road at the same time O.o :D |
20:39.53 |
iday |
if you forgot |
20:40.12 |
dtidrow_work |
heh |
20:40.16 |
``Erik |
hennifer hopez |
20:40.19 |
iday |
brlcad is crazy... but we all know
that |
20:40.25 |
iday |
what-eva ``Erik |
20:40.57 |
iday |
can we get over the j-lo thing? |
20:41.04 |
prasad1 |
jlo! |
20:41.07 |
prasad1 |
sup man |
20:41.09 |
``Erik |
that southpark had some awesome gags
:D |
20:41.18 |
iday |
prasad1: sup |
20:41.26 |
prasad1 |
wmrd? |
20:41.30 |
iday |
vtd |
20:41.33 |
prasad1 |
ahso |
20:41.34 |
iday |
:-) |
20:41.35 |
prasad1 |
cool cool |
20:41.46 |
prasad1 |
hows nettie and the lil tyke |
20:41.59 |
iday |
working on NN and vision based target tracking
with GA |
20:42.19 |
prasad1 |
good stuff |
20:42.51 |
brlcad |
hm, prasad1 where you still here before or
after the benchpress competition? |
20:43.05 |
prasad1 |
after |
20:43.13 |
brlcad |
okay, thought so |
20:43.34 |
brlcad |
yeah, you were here after I'd started back up
rowing |
20:43.45 |
brlcad |
whining about going because you were trying to
look good for her |
20:43.56 |
prasad1 |
wahahah |
20:44.06 |
prasad1 |
there's a gym in my bldg |
20:44.12 |
prasad1 |
i should step it up |
20:44.18 |
prasad1 |
need motivation :( |
20:44.44 |
brlcad |
look at your belly |
20:44.49 |
brlcad |
and skinny arms |
20:44.52 |
brlcad |
that's ll the motivation I need |
20:45.11 |
prasad1 |
lol |
20:45.12 |
prasad1 |
indeed |
20:46.15 |
prasad1 |
is the delicate flower still around? |
20:46.17 |
prasad1 |
heh |
20:46.40 |
brlcad |
no, you left remember |
20:47.06 |
brlcad |
actually she's up working for Mr. T
now |
20:47.50 |
prasad1 |
really |
20:48.01 |
prasad1 |
that's good (right?) |
20:48.59 |
brlcad |
she seems to enjoy it |
20:49.11 |
brlcad |
and she "won" it, so yeah, it's good |
20:49.54 |
prasad1 |
orly? |
20:49.55 |
prasad1 |
heh |
20:51.21 |
``Erik |
http://worsethanfailure.com/Articles/Any-Key-or-Any-Other-Key.aspx |
20:52.31 |
iday |
:-) |
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21:16.45 |
ManicMechE |
ok, so it was working great for a little
while, now when I try to type at the mged prompt, it........does
weird stuff |
21:17.51 |
ManicMechE |
and after killing it and starting again a
couple times, it is miraculously fixed? |
21:18.08 |
ManicMechE |
methinks maybe it's not getting along with
Leopard |
21:20.06 |
brlcad |
hrm, if you can repeat or quantify what you
mean.. |
21:20.26 |
brlcad |
I've not seen any issues on Mac with the
latest yet except for remote X11 |
21:20.59 |
ManicMechE |
I switched away in spaces for a
moment |
21:21.12 |
ManicMechE |
when I switched back, both Terminal and the
X11 windows were gone |
21:21.42 |
ManicMechE |
when I got them back (just fiddling around),
trying to type at the mged prompt caused it to behave
erratically |
21:21.48 |
ManicMechE |
such as the prompt disappearing |
21:21.54 |
ManicMechE |
it tabbing over |
21:22.11 |
ManicMechE |
it deleting bits of what was already
there |
21:22.18 |
ManicMechE |
I had to kill it through the gui |
21:22.33 |
ManicMechE |
I started it again |
21:22.38 |
ManicMechE |
same business |
21:22.41 |
ManicMechE |
killed it again |
21:22.43 |
ManicMechE |
started again |
21:22.46 |
ManicMechE |
and now it works fine |
21:25.27 |
brlcad |
oh, I read about that with Spaces |
21:26.12 |
brlcad |
on the Tk mailing list, it's a bug in X11
fixed in latest sources but not in 10.5 yet |
21:26.24 |
brlcad |
affecting windows and input control |
21:26.37 |
ManicMechE |
I suspected as much |
21:26.57 |
ManicMechE |
moving x11 windows across spaces has already
proven to be bad news for me |
21:27.11 |
brlcad |
there's actually one guy at Apple that was
dedicated to work on the problem, he was asking for help from X11
devs |
21:27.36 |
brlcad |
apparently a really hard set of bugs |
21:28.56 |
ManicMechE |
I would imagine |
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CIA-27 |
libirc: 03JeffM2501 * r335 10/trunk/libirc/
(12 files in 7 dirs): start a static lib to consolidate the IRC bot
logic into a more manageable class. |