| 00:03.21 | ``Erik | heh |
| 00:10.48 | yukonbob | heh |
| 00:13.09 | yukonbob | http://xkcd.org/350/ |
| 00:15.23 | Axman6 | ``Erik: heh |
| 00:16.00 | yukonbob | ok last one from me: http://xkcd.org/346/ |
| 00:40.59 | Axman6 | sounds like RSS... xkcd has a feed |
| 00:44.21 | ``Erik | I've only looked at rss using firefox, not an aggregator |
| 00:44.35 | ``Erik | http://math.missouristate.edu/~erik/comics/comic.php is my dealie |
| 01:01.45 | Axman6 | don't use a mac do you? |
| 01:04.32 | ``Erik | yeah I do |
| 01:07.59 | Axman6 | got leopard yet? |
| 01:08.13 | Axman6 | mail 3.0 adds RSS support, it' pretty nice |
| 01:08.16 | Axman6 | s* |
| 02:57.53 | ``Erik | <-- doesn't use mail.app *shrug* :) |
| 03:05.17 | Maloeran | Hey starseeker |
| 03:05.55 | Maloeran | Gez, how can it be so hard to get a manager to compile code properly. I blame your autoconf stuff, Erik :) |
| 03:43.23 | ``Erik | uh |
| 03:43.28 | ``Erik | manager? compiling something? O.O |
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| 07:39.17 | Defcon | morning all |
| 07:39.18 | Defcon | happy hacking |
| 07:50.33 | alex_joni | hi Defcon |
| 07:55.11 | Defcon | hi alex_joni |
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| 15:08.14 | Z80-Boy | brlcad: wow, great :) |
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| 18:01.37 | Submarine | mmh |
| 18:01.43 | Submarine | sorry for the innocent question |
| 18:01.53 | Submarine | but around which axis does the rotate command work? |
| 18:01.59 | Submarine | I don't mean x, y or z |
| 18:02.07 | Submarine | (which is a direction) |
| 18:02.22 | Submarine | but the axis in affine space... like is it the axis passing through (0, 0, 0) ? |
| 18:02.40 | Z80-Boy | Submarine: that's a great mystery of the universe |
| 18:04.53 | Submarine | Thanks for the helpful contribution. |
| 18:05.04 | Z80-Boy | I also hit the same problem |
| 18:05.22 | Z80-Boy | I wanted to know if the spaces are in the matrix input space or the matrix output space. |
| 18:05.45 | Z80-Boy | And also if it rotates counter or clockwise, and if, then from which view direction counter or clockwise ;-) |
| 18:06.05 | Z80-Boy | I solved it by stopping using the rot command and typing the matrices manually. |
| 18:06.15 | Submarine | arf? |
| 18:06.56 | Z80-Boy | and it also sometimes rotates the view and sometimes the body edited - isn't clear to me which applies when |
| 18:07.19 | Z80-Boy | With the matrices it works all right |
| 18:07.33 | Z80-Boy | except I need to use a scientific calculator if I want a rotation not multiple of 90 degrees |
| 18:08.38 | Submarine | ok |
| 18:08.49 | Submarine | Is there any other free CAD 3D tool? |
| 18:10.02 | Z80-Boy | No |
| 18:10.34 | Z80-Boy | But if someone reverse engineers the behaviour of the rot command and patches the help entry then it becomes usable |
| 18:12.49 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/librt/g_bot.c: limit the length of the face_mode copy into the bizzare use of bot_data (where we intentionally go past the sizeof(struct bot_rec) with the bot data for v4 files) |
| 18:16.56 | ``Erik | mal: #1 best move, flathead screwdriver. Insert. Twist. Reassembled. :D |
| 18:52.29 | Maloeran | ``Erik, I have doubts about getting down to 2 minutes your way :) |
| 18:53.37 | ``Erik | I can solve it in 0 seconds for any permutation such that each side has all 9 cells the same color :D |
| 18:56.24 | Maloeran | Hum, 2 minutes 25 seconds |
| 18:56.55 | Maloeran | I don't quite get how some people complete it in < 20 seconds, you have to spend some time to actually observe the cube |
| 18:57.48 | ``Erik | probably a pre-defined starting point and plain memorization of the "solution" |
| 18:58.34 | Maloeran | Oh. So they study it in advance, and take 20 seconds just to make their moves |
| 18:58.46 | minute-ssh | 3^3 |
| 18:59.00 | minute-ssh | Surely? |
| 18:59.04 | Maloeran | No :) |
| 18:59.14 | ``Erik | heh, the combinatorics are a little more complex |
| 18:59.15 | minute-ssh | Oh yeah, different colours. |
| 18:59.17 | alex_joni | way more than that :) |
| 18:59.29 | minute-ssh | :P |
| 19:00.16 | Maloeran | 43,252,003,274,489,856,000 permutations, apparently |
| 19:00.21 | minute-ssh | uh |
| 19:00.26 | alex_joni | 8!*3^8*12!*2^12 = 519024039293878272000 |
| 19:01.30 | alex_joni | Maloeran: that seems like too much |
| 19:01.50 | alex_joni | this seems a bit more realistic: http://www.mathematische-basteleien.de/rubikscube.htm |
| 19:01.55 | Maloeran | Wikipedia never lies! |
| 19:02.20 | ``Erik | funny |
| 19:02.27 | ``Erik | I was just reading the latest 'issue' with wikipedia |
| 19:02.32 | ``Erik | on register.co.uk |
| 19:02.55 | minute-ssh | They had it on slashdot also, but the register isn't very reliable IMO. |
| 19:03.20 | archivist | as reliable as /. |
| 19:03.25 | ``Erik | nah, but they are the source of active bofh content, so I dig 'em anyways... and I'm coming from the slashdot page originally... |
| 19:04.01 | minute-ssh | Ah kk |
| 19:04.15 | Maloeran | Every permutation can be solved in 26 moves or less... I think I'm more around 100 moves |
| 19:04.17 | alex_joni | Maloeran: /me starts to agree with wikipedia |
| 19:04.24 | ``Erik | and there're enough third party articles (both for this and several other issues) that I'm souring on wikipedia |
| 19:04.38 | ``Erik | my solution is two moves |
| 19:04.41 | ``Erik | ok, 3 |
| 19:04.44 | ``Erik | stab, twist, build |
| 19:04.53 | ``Erik | for any permutation :D |
| 19:05.13 | alex_joni | ``Erik: do that with the light switched off :) |
| 19:05.23 | archivist | yes |
| 19:05.29 | ``Erik | just as easy as doing it "normally"... |
| 19:05.39 | ``Erik | just like this *click* *stab* AHHH MY HAND! |
| 19:07.10 | Maloeran | We need to time your solution against mine :) |
| 19:08.04 | archivist | all the bits are red at that point so its easy to reassemble |
| 19:08.11 | ``Erik | sure, but bear in mind, I don't play by the rubik rules, so smacking the cube out of your hands or kicking you over is right up my alley :D |
| 19:09.16 | ``Erik | damn, I'm gettin' hungry :/ |
| 19:10.05 | ``Erik | heh, quality of the register... summed up... well... http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=382783&cid=21613301 |
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| 19:15.11 | alex_joni | haha.. this is nice: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudokube |
| 19:18.29 | Maloeran | Ah big deal, it needs orientation of the middle cubes :), it's pretty much a Rubik Cube |
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| 19:18.58 | alex_joni | Maloeran: how about a Megaminx? |
| 19:19.01 | ``Erik | heh |
| 19:19.07 | ``Erik | this is making me want to write puzzle games. again. :/ |
| 19:19.09 | ``Erik | bastards |
| 19:19.13 | alex_joni | The 12-color Megaminx has exactly 100,669,616,553,523,347,122,516,032,313,645,505,168,688,116,411,019,768,627,200,000,000,000 different positions. |
| 19:19.45 | ``Erik | that could take a little time to brute force |
| 19:20.08 | archivist | a larger screwdriver |
| 19:20.16 | alex_joni | ``Erik: found your cube: http://images.thinkgeek.com/action/large/2108957.jpg |
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| 19:20.29 | ``Erik | mebbe some vicegrips to get the additional torque |
| 19:20.40 | ``Erik | :D |
| 19:20.44 | ``Erik | no |
| 19:20.55 | Maloeran | Ohh alex_joni, neat! |
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| 19:21.05 | ``Erik | after several 'screwdriver' wins, the stickers are fine, but the cubes get loose |
| 19:21.07 | Maloeran | Now I know what to ask for Christmas |
| 19:22.08 | ``Erik | HUMMMMMMMMm, maybe I should write a little puzzle game using, omfg, WEB TWO POINT OHHHHH |
| 19:22.16 | ``Erik | with a lithp backend |
| 19:22.20 | ``Erik | that would be thuper |
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| 19:23.37 | alex_joni | The full number is precisely 282,870,942,277,741,856,536,180,333,107,150,328,293,127,731,985,672,134,721,536,000,000,000,000,000 possible permutations (about 282 tresvigintillion on the short scale). |
| 19:23.52 | ``Erik | heh |
| 19:24.00 | ``Erik | and that's two to the what-th? |
| 19:24.08 | alex_joni | compute even.. although I suspect it's fairly fast in bc |
| 19:24.14 | alex_joni | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professor's_Cube |
| 19:24.42 | ``Erik | heh http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/ptech/12/07/c64/index.html |
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| 20:44.53 | yukonbob | starseeker: whats the issue? |
| 20:50.54 | Maloeran | I'm on a gentoo amd64 box if you need testing |
| 20:51.05 | Maloeran | Though I don't see how a problem can be specific to this arch |
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| 20:55.45 | prasad1 | intel dev systems are a bunch of bricks |
| 20:55.58 | prasad1 | four systems, all fail to boot |
| 20:55.59 | prasad1 | :( |
| 21:02.58 | starseeker | Maloeran: It has to do with the paths being chosen for libraries |
| 21:03.16 | starseeker | Maloeran: Have you ever tried the gentoo ebuild in bugzilla? |
| 21:03.49 | starseeker | yukonbob: Things keep getting named lib when they're supposed to be named lib64 (or something like that) |
| 21:04.10 | Maloeran | I haven't tried, I tend to install manually whenever portage doesn't just work directly and instantly |
| 21:04.20 | Maloeran | ( Masked keywords or whatever, it likes to complain a lot ) |
| 21:06.16 | yukonbob | starseeker: lib vs lib64 -- is this for the paths? (ie: /usr/local/lib/foo.so or /usr/local/lib64/foo.so ?) |
| 21:08.59 | Z80-Boy | Do you know what I should put into a vegetables soup that tastes bland? |
| 21:09.11 | yukonbob | potatoes |
| 21:09.14 | Z80-Boy | I boiled just vegetables from the "vegetable soup" pack |
| 21:09.17 | starseeker | yukonbob: yes |
| 21:09.24 | Maloeran | Cumin |
| 21:09.40 | starseeker | Oh :-) |
| 21:09.40 | yukonbob | Z80-Boy: oh -- for a soup that's bland, not something bland to put into the soup ;) |
| 21:09.44 | yukonbob | celery |
| 21:09.54 | starseeker | Maloeran: Do you have a /usr/local/portage overlay? |
| 21:10.16 | Z80-Boy | Salt? |
| 21:10.41 | Z80-Boy | I put a whole onion in and fried a bit all the vegetables |
| 21:10.43 | starseeker | This ebuild SHOULD work smoothly. The path issue on AMD64 seems to be the remaining annoyance |
| 21:10.46 | Z80-Boy | I put cumin there |
| 21:11.11 | Z80-Boy | Not only my BRL-CAD video is out of sync because the encoder doesn't work properly... |
| 21:11.15 | yukonbob | starseeker: you must have an $ARCH variable or similar to test + adjust ./configure args accordingly, no? |
| 21:11.18 | Z80-Boy | But my soup also tastes *BLAND*! |
| 21:11.28 | Z80-Boy | The ultimate doom is impeding on me! |
| 21:11.37 | starseeker | yukonbob: Never tried that - that's an idea. |
| 21:13.03 | Z80-Boy | I just put an egg into it |
| 21:13.12 | starseeker | Hmm - ARCH isn't showing anything... |
| 21:14.14 | starseeker | I think the ARCH detection stuff is built into portage - at least, most of the ebuilds I've seen never do platform specific testing |
| 21:14.37 | yukonbob | if you don't have such a var (I'd be surprised if there not _something_ like it), you could use dmesg and parse that? |
| 21:15.08 | yukonbob | starseeker: if the ARCH stuff is buildin, you must have a way to query it though.. |
| 21:15.21 | starseeker | probably |
| 21:15.58 | starseeker | I don't know if it can "fake it" properly for a build though - the real test for this issue is to see whether an AMD64 system can load mged after the ebuild installs it |
| 21:16.11 | starseeker | It seems to have to do with what paths tcl is looking in |
| 21:17.40 | yukonbob | ~tea Tcl |
| 21:17.40 | ibot | ACTION realizes it's time for high tea and gets busy in the kitchen. He brings out tea, crumpets, scones and an assortment of delectable goodies and serves them properly to Tcl and others |
| 21:18.44 | ``Erik | bots on crack, wee |
| 21:19.08 | archivist | hmm I should have a tea module in my bot (especially as its named the_wench) |
| 21:20.06 | starseeker | Ah well - once 7.12 comes out there should be another round of interest |
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| 21:29.19 | ``Erik | I thought wenches served beer or mead, not tea |
| 21:29.19 | archivist | its had a !wench beer command for ages |
| 21:35.56 | yukonbob | starseeker: is this box you're working on your own personal machine? |
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| 21:56.53 | starseeker | yukonbob: Yes |
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