00:00.15 |
starseeker |
OK, that was really weird, but it worked.
Does BRL-CAD need the zlib copy included with it? |
00:00.46 |
``Erik |
src/other/libz ? |
00:01.18 |
starseeker |
opennurbs/zlib |
00:01.59 |
brlcad |
no, but to remove it requires a few
mods |
00:02.02 |
starseeker |
sorry - the opennurbs tarball has a copy of
zlib |
00:02.05 |
starseeker |
ah :-) |
00:02.25 |
brlcad |
we've modified them in our src tree, but we're
also one release behind them now |
00:02.45 |
starseeker |
ah |
00:02.50 |
brlcad |
i had to make a slew of cross-platform
compilation fixes too, but maybe they've fixed those |
00:03.27 |
brlcad |
fortunately, all of our big mods have been
left out of their source tree |
00:03.51 |
brlcad |
"we" (jason) implemented a lot of the
functions that they took out of opennurbs |
00:04.05 |
brlcad |
as they intentionally don't want it used the
way we're using it |
00:04.22 |
starseeker |
That's annoying |
00:04.29 |
brlcad |
(i.e. as part of a nurbs evaluation
kernel) |
00:04.52 |
brlcad |
as they see it as directly competing with one
of their commercial products they sell |
00:04.58 |
starseeker |
So BRL-CAD can use (in theory) an external
copy? |
00:05.02 |
starseeker |
indeed |
00:05.03 |
brlcad |
in theory |
00:05.19 |
brlcad |
like I said, haven't tried the
latest |
00:05.34 |
brlcad |
you might want to try upgrading our copy
first, just in case there were api changes |
00:05.41 |
brlcad |
might/should be easier |
00:05.57 |
brlcad |
then work on making the patch that the ebuild
will need from their zip |
00:06.13 |
brlcad |
how is the ebuild supposed to get the
zip? |
00:06.21 |
starseeker |
got me |
00:06.28 |
starseeker |
may require fetch restrictions |
00:06.31 |
brlcad |
iirc, they have this click-through contact
form |
00:06.49 |
brlcad |
you don't have to fill in anything, but you
can't get to the download link without going through it
iirc |
00:07.06 |
starseeker |
well, if it's free Gentoo can make a tarball
:-) |
00:07.12 |
brlcad |
and host it? |
00:07.24 |
starseeker |
maybe. or we could |
00:08.08 |
brlcad |
I wouldn't without an okay from mcneel, and
that's not likely given how we use it |
00:08.23 |
brlcad |
even if license-wise there's no reason we
couldn't |
00:08.56 |
starseeker |
Hmm |
00:09.07 |
starseeker |
ok |
00:09.26 |
brlcad |
but you're welcome to ask :) |
00:09.31 |
starseeker |
hehe |
00:09.54 |
brlcad |
yay, one of my stitches just came
out |
00:10.07 |
brlcad |
that's been irritating for days |
00:10.09 |
starseeker |
I'll let the Gentoo devs ask :-P |
00:10.18 |
brlcad |
heh, that works |
00:10.44 |
``Erik |
soluble stitches? |
00:11.55 |
brlcad |
yeah |
00:17.41 |
``Erik |
cool beans |
01:15.28 |
starseeker |
brlcad: So are the opennurbs guys actively
annoyed with us, or they just didn't provide the functions jason
recreated in order to avoid making it TOO easy for the
competition? |
01:33.31 |
brlcad |
starseeker: i'm not sure I'd characterize it
as annoyed or not, I don't know -- but I do know that they openly
state that using the library as part of any geometric modeling
kernel is and was not the reason that the sources are provided and
that they specifically will *not* help anyone using it in that
regard |
01:35.09 |
brlcad |
if you read through their news/mailing list
for the past couple years (archived on their site iirc), you'll see
at least a half dozen questions that come up with people trying to
use it as such where they reiterate that it's not supposed to be
used for that and they don't provide any help |
04:19.40 |
Axman6 |
sound like a bunch of wankers. how does doing
that help anyone? |
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05:08.31 |
Axman6 |
....................... |
05:08.34 |
Axman6 |
oh god |
05:08.39 |
starseeker |
Thank goodness the stix font beta had already
come and gone or I would have started suspecting an early April
1st |
05:09.59 |
starseeker |
Axman6: Exactly :-) |
05:11.19 |
starseeker |
As much as I have to grit my teeth to say it -
Good for Microsoft; well done |
05:13.06 |
Axman6 |
only what, two years too late? |
05:13.28 |
starseeker |
``Erik: Do you by any chance have autoconf
build logic for opennurbs that could be used for a stand alone
install? They don't seem to have even a make install
command... |
05:13.35 |
starseeker |
Heh - better late than never |
05:13.56 |
starseeker |
From what I recall, ACID2 stumped everyone for
a while - I think Konqueror was the first to get it
right? |
05:14.09 |
Axman6 |
Safari was the first |
05:14.21 |
starseeker |
Ah, right |
05:14.23 |
Axman6 |
which then meant konquorer came next, then
opera |
05:15.31 |
Axman6 |
and now the KDE guys have basically dropped
the main khtml stuff, and they're going to use Apple's WebKit for
konqueror... because bugs get fixed faster :P |
05:17.37 |
starseeker |
Hey, as long as it works :-) |
05:17.58 |
starseeker |
I guess you could call WebKit khtml2.0, based
on where it came from... |
05:18.54 |
Axman6 |
well khtml basically died about a year ago.
there's been no work on it for ages |
05:19.41 |
Axman6 |
Apple have done a fantastic job with webkit,
fast, makes things look good, very standards complient |
05:20.00 |
starseeker |
Hard to argue with that, and if the licensing
is OK why not use it? |
05:21.01 |
Axman6 |
yeah, not sure what it's licence is actually,
good chance it's GPL though |
05:21.22 |
starseeker |
Apple does good work, as a rule |
05:21.38 |
starseeker |
The problem is (for me at least) they charge
accordingly :-) |
05:21.55 |
Axman6 |
well i could seriously imagine steve standing
behind guys witha whip... |
05:22.07 |
Axman6 |
macs are cheap these days man, and so's OS
X |
05:22.29 |
starseeker |
They aren't bad, but Linux is free and almost
all of it is open :-) |
05:23.10 |
starseeker |
One thing about Mac OSX's graphics systems -
they are very definitely NOT open |
05:23.41 |
Axman6 |
linux is a play thing for me, there's just not
enough polish with it, things are still too hard to use, and it
lacks the consistancy i get with OS X. i know linux definitely has
it's place, but i don't think that's the desktop yet |
05:23.41 |
starseeker |
Plus, as time goes by I'm coming more and more
to appreciate the X method of communication - it is relatively
language independent |
05:24.10 |
Axman6 |
heh, X is one of the main reasons i don't like
linux |
05:25.06 |
starseeker |
X is actually quite an excellent piece of
work, but it didn't get the fancy stuff until recently thanks to
the XFree86 organizational setup (as I understand it) |
05:25.14 |
Axman6 |
yeah, that argument usually doesn't go down
very well on irc... but you're talking to people who irc, so
they're not going to be your average joe ;) |
05:25.23 |
starseeker |
I remember noticing a lot of abrupt
improvements in Cygwin's X support after Xorg took off... |
05:26.54 |
Axman6 |
i just think the structure of X is stupid. i
don't understand using a client server model when you're using a
single machine. X forwarding is nice ish, but there are other ways,
and that should really be a side thing these days |
05:26.59 |
Axman6 |
if that makes any sense |
05:27.59 |
starseeker |
Well, the advantage of client-server is that
you don't have to care what programming languages are being used in
client or server. Programming a GUI on Mac OSX in anything other
than Objective C requires some FFI work at some layer, as I
understand it |
05:28.48 |
Axman6 |
well you can use many different things like QT
and gtk if you want |
05:28.56 |
starseeker |
The X architecture is one of the reasons Lisp
can talk to it well - it doesn't require an FFI bridge |
05:29.26 |
starseeker |
Oh, sure - you can use a lib to paper over the
differences if someone has written one (and QT is a good one by all
the accounts I have heard) |
05:29.43 |
starseeker |
But the client/server flexibility still makes
many things easier in the end |
05:30.12 |
starseeker |
Sorta like the trend towards web clients for
apps, although I'm not terribly impressed with that
personally... |
05:30.48 |
Axman6 |
still, if you've ever used a mac for a while,
you start to feel that the gui is really 'solid' its hard to
explain, but with X and the windows managers you use, you can feel
that windows are made of little bitmaps and such |
05:31.10 |
starseeker |
Sure. I'm not claiming OSX isn't more
polished - it is |
05:31.26 |
starseeker |
But to me that's less critical than the core
technologies behind it :-) |
05:32.12 |
starseeker |
Apples technologies are probably pretty good
overall (unless you're trying to make an McCLIM backend to the OSX
graphics layer...) but they're also completely closed up |
05:32.58 |
starseeker |
Heh - I've gotta hit the hay here before my
head demolishes my keyboard... I like this keyboard |
05:33.33 |
Axman6 |
i also like how easy the tools for OS X are to
use for the gui. you drag and drop some stuff, put it where it
tells you, and you end up with a HIG complient interface, that's
fully OpenGL backed, and looks great |
05:33.45 |
Axman6 |
haha, ok man, take care |
05:34.11 |
starseeker |
If you don't like X, you might take a look at
http://picogui.org/ or http://fresco.org/ |
05:36.08 |
Axman6 |
interesting |
06:41.41 |
brlcad |
Axman6: I don't see them as wankers, it was
pretty cool/useful that they released openNURBS at all, and they're
not actively prohibiting anyone -- they're just not going to help
make a direct competitor to a product they sell |
06:42.35 |
brlcad |
the reason they released it was to give people
free 3DM read/write file support for the Rhino file format -- we
could really trivially write a Rhino-to-BRL-CAD importer/exporter
now |
06:45.21 |
Axman6 |
yeah |
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08:48.27 |
CIA-30 |
BRL-CAD: 03brlcad *
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08:48.27 |
CIA-30 |
BRL-CAD: provide DEG2RAD and RAD2DEG constants
for pi/180 and 180/pi; rename the new |
08:48.27 |
CIA-30 |
BRL-CAD: V3AE2DIR to V3DIR_FROM_AZEL to be
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08:48.27 |
CIA-30 |
BRL-CAD: similarly making first arg the dir
instead of last; implement the complementary |
08:48.27 |
CIA-30 |
BRL-CAD: AZEL_FROM_V3DIR for setting an az/el
from a direction vector as well (untested) |
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CIA-30 |
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08:55.04 |
Z80-Boy |
Did anyone from here already get contacted by
Google recruitment? |
08:55.26 |
brlcad |
huh? |
08:55.30 |
CIA-30 |
BRL-CAD: 03brlcad *
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available (math.h are generally higher precision), convert all
constants to fastf_t values. |
08:56.14 |
Z80-Boy |
They said they have Vont Cerf and Ken
Thomson |
08:56.17 |
Z80-Boy |
Vint |
08:57.20 |
brlcad |
they hire all sorts of people ... like many
many many companies |
08:59.55 |
Z80-Boy |
Is it true they are famous for
secretivity? |
09:00.21 |
Axman6 |
sounds more like apple. google are pretty
open |
09:07.11 |
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09:39.07 |
Z80-Boy |
brlcad: do you someone who could donate his
superfluous supercomputing capacity for ocassional rendering of a
project like Ronja? |
09:39.32 |
Z80-Boy |
Like I would like to make the video
anti-aliased but that would render a month... |
09:39.43 |
Z80-Boy |
on my laptop |
09:50.14 |
Axman6 |
Z80-Boy: what're you rendering and
how? |
09:50.29 |
Z80-Boy |
Axman6: Ronja models, using BRL-CAD
rt |
09:51.09 |
Axman6 |
right, never heard of ronja |
09:51.24 |
Z80-Boy |
http://ronja.twibright.com/3d/ |
09:52.48 |
Axman6 |
hmm, i'm confused now |
09:53.06 |
Axman6 |
are mounting brackets really that interesting?
:P |
09:54.43 |
Z80-Boy |
There are no mounting brackets on the page I
posted. Mounting brackets are mentioned in the news on the title
page and there is no 3D model of mounting brackets./ |
09:56.49 |
Axman6 |
the pics look like mounting brackets to me,
but anyway. looks like a cool idea now i know what it
does |
09:57.14 |
Z80-Boy |
aha I thought you are talking about the
specific part of Ronja that is officially called mounting
brackets |
09:57.59 |
Z80-Boy |
The 3D models are important for people to know
how to put all the parts together. |
09:58.17 |
Z80-Boy |
Also to see what it looks like how it's
interfaced to the building etc. |
09:58.28 |
Z80-Boy |
How bulky it is |
09:58.31 |
Axman6 |
yeah |
09:58.55 |
Axman6 |
what's wrong with wifi and parabolic
reflectors anyway? :P |
09:59.07 |
Z80-Boy |
There's nothing wrong with them |
09:59.18 |
Z80-Boy |
They just have a different set of advantages
and weaknesses |
10:00.51 |
Z80-Boy |
Here is some discussion of possible problems
with WiFi that Ronja can be a solution for: http://ronja.twibright.com/wifi.php |
10:13.53 |
vedge |
Z80-Boy: very cool. i know some people who are
having problems with interference from airplanes in my area and
it's so bad they're basically stuck with an unreliable cable ISP
because of this. |
10:14.31 |
vedge |
we have a very good wifi provider, and i know
people there have been trying to figure out a way around this
problem. i'll send them the link. |
10:18.17 |
Z80-Boy |
I had an Internet connection through 2 Ronjas
in series and it was quite reliable |
10:18.30 |
Z80-Boy |
The biggest problem was they were still
prototypes and in process of debugging |
10:18.51 |
Z80-Boy |
But they still genrally appeared to be more
reliable than wifis and cables we had in the same network
:) |
10:26.55 |
vedge |
cool |
10:28.36 |
vedge |
i'm opening a pcb shop, in case you're looking
for a small/medium qty manufacturer in north america |
10:36.10 |
archivist |
vedge #electronics has people asking about pcb
makers now and again |
10:36.55 |
Z80-Boy |
vedge: I already have a company where I send
prototypes |
10:39.53 |
Z80-Boy |
vedge: can you send post order
internationally? |
10:41.05 |
Z80-Boy |
Can you do all the necessary technologies -
HAL, through plating, solder mask, edge routing? |
10:41.11 |
Z80-Boy |
I mean edge milling |
10:45.42 |
vedge |
archivist: thanks for the tip |
10:46.14 |
vedge |
Z80-Boy: i'm in canada, i think sending small
pcbs internationally through canada post would be around
$10 |
10:47.11 |
Z80-Boy |
If you were interested you could sell the
Ronja PCBs and I could put you on the website as a
supplier |
10:47.22 |
vedge |
i can do all of this, but i don't have a
machine in my PCB assembly line for edge milling, extra setup time
would be involved for that |
10:47.45 |
Z80-Boy |
The transmitter has 3 rectangular
millings |
10:48.05 |
Z80-Boy |
can you dissolve the cost in a larger
series? |
10:48.49 |
vedge |
i wonder if punch pressing would work for PCB
material, that would be a lot cheaper than actual
milling. |
10:48.51 |
Z80-Boy |
Here is the old shop http://ronjashop.com/info.php?lang=en |
10:48.53 |
vedge |
yes |
10:49.06 |
Z80-Boy |
I don't know if this guy is still
operating |
10:49.17 |
Z80-Boy |
He doesn't seem to having upgraded from
Twister to Twister2 |
10:49.24 |
archivist |
pressing is normal for paper boards |
10:49.33 |
Z80-Boy |
He has the prices on his website you could see
if you can be competitive |
10:50.06 |
Z80-Boy |
Of course only in case such a small project is
actually interesting for you financially |
10:52.46 |
vedge |
my equipment is not entirely ready for
production just yet, i'm still working on the testing phase. i'll
get back to you on this. |
10:53.41 |
vedge |
i have basically all of the fabrication
equipment ready, but no testing system. |
10:54.40 |
Z80-Boy |
you mean electrical and optical
testing? |
10:55.53 |
vedge |
yes |
10:56.02 |
vedge |
and i can't exactly afford a $200k "bed of
nails" |
10:57.12 |
Z80-Boy |
I wonder if with all the cost of handling
individual orders a project like Ronja could be interesting for you
financially |
10:57.40 |
archivist |
heh send RF testing to me in the UK |
10:57.51 |
Z80-Boy |
It should theoretically be a small, but
continuous income |
10:58.31 |
Z80-Boy |
Like the Ronjashop sold already about 500
boards IIRC |
10:58.55 |
Z80-Boy |
It's actually a student who always orders a
series of 100 or 200 and then sells it apart individually |
10:59.16 |
Z80-Boy |
You get 1/6 of the price you would pay if you
ordered your board individually in a PCB manufacturere. |
10:59.34 |
vedge |
oh, this is exactly the sort of project i'm
interested into. |
10:59.44 |
Z80-Boy |
that's good |
10:59.59 |
vedge |
i have a mostly-automated assembly line, i
order films and supplies in bulk, but it's far from being a big
plant. |
11:00.15 |
Z80-Boy |
Can you do optical testing? |
11:00.48 |
Z80-Boy |
I think below 3 pieces no testing is
prescribed and above 3 optical I am not sure |
11:01.22 |
Z80-Boy |
One should also check if the gerbers can be
loaded into your system. I am using a free software that generates
the negative drawing command which some softwares that
don |
11:01.22 |
vedge |
what do you mean by optical testing? |
11:01.32 |
Z80-Boy |
t implement RS 274-X completely cannot
crunch |
11:01.43 |
vedge |
oh, sure. i'm using my own software for
this. |
11:01.45 |
Z80-Boy |
Making a picture of the board and comparing
with a reference picture |
11:01.51 |
Z80-Boy |
to find copper bridges gaps etc. |
11:02.44 |
Z80-Boy |
You could even sell with part bags if it were
interesting for you, like kits - would be more convenient for the
user, would increase interest in the project and sales |
11:03.00 |
Z80-Boy |
Now the interest is going down due to 5GHz
WiFi competition. |
11:03.14 |
Z80-Boy |
And because people have to buy all the parts
themselves |
11:04.17 |
Z80-Boy |
I hope once maybe someone manages to run a
shop like this and sponsor my project so I can improve the
kilometers and megabits increase interest and his sales |
11:04.23 |
Z80-Boy |
Kinda mutual symbiosis |
11:07.01 |
vedge |
as far as optical testing goes, i suppose it
would depend on the resolution. i don't have a microscope
unfortunately. |
11:07.22 |
Z80-Boy |
Or can you manufacture it reliably? |
11:07.27 |
vedge |
i have a machine shop, i could probably
manufacture parts but i don't know if it would be cost effective at
all. i'd have to look more closely at the model. |
11:07.44 |
Z80-Boy |
I don't mean machine parts, but electronics
parts |
11:07.52 |
Z80-Boy |
diodes transistors resistors LEDs HC
gates |
11:09.40 |
vedge |
sure, but it's just a matter of cost. my
process is reliable but i still need to figure out bare-PCB
testing |
11:10.38 |
vedge |
if put a potentially defect board on the pick
and place and then functional testing reveals problems i can't
really recover the parts. |
11:21.15 |
Z80-Boy |
vedge: I don't mean that you would populate
the boards. That would be an unnecessary cost. The user can
populate it himself easily. |
11:23.34 |
vedge |
i'm not sure optical comparison would be that
useful with my process. i'd expect most defects to involve the
vias, as opposed to the surface of the board, unless there are very
tiny features. |
11:24.12 |
Z80-Boy |
vedge: I misinformed with an old information.
The existing shop apparently already upgraded to
Twister2. |
11:24.13 |
vedge |
populating the boards isn't expensive for me
if the components are SMT |
11:24.55 |
Z80-Boy |
Some are not |
11:25.41 |
Z80-Boy |
you could pre-populate the SMT ones,
though. |
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13:00.15 |
Defcon |
oem version :D |
13:00.19 |
Defcon |
guess not ^^ |
13:01.06 |
Maloeran |
You think so? I'll look for the usual refund
clause in the EULA |
13:01.42 |
Maloeran |
I think the point is mostly to annoy HP for
forcing me to buy software I didn't want |
13:02.21 |
Z80-Boy |
Forcing? Noone is forcing you into buying
anything :) |
13:02.33 |
Z80-Boy |
You had an option to not buy the whole
notbeook |
13:03.38 |
Defcon |
no |
13:03.53 |
Defcon |
there was another case just like
this |
13:04.04 |
Defcon |
the guy won like 1200$ back |
13:04.13 |
minute |
wtf? |
13:04.20 |
Z80-Boy |
and how much did he pay for lawyers? |
13:04.30 |
Defcon |
he won |
13:04.37 |
Defcon |
so nothing..? |
13:05.01 |
Z80-Boy |
In such case I prefer designing my own
hardware that works 100%. |
13:05.12 |
Z80-Boy |
Courts and lawyers are inherently unreliable
and can backfire |
13:05.27 |
Defcon |
indeed |
13:05.48 |
Z80-Boy |
For example since I made myself Ronja, I now
don't have to care about NDA binary-only WiFi drivers, bugs in WiFi
firmware and how badly they designed their access method |
13:06.16 |
Maloeran |
Z80-Boy, I didn't sign the EULA before buying
the laptop |
13:06.21 |
Maloeran |
And there's clearly a refund clause in
there |
13:06.26 |
Z80-Boy |
Maloeran: that's good |
13:06.53 |
Z80-Boy |
Maloeran: so you should get your money back
easily, shouldn't you |
13:07.18 |
Maloeran |
Theorically, yes. I'm sure they don't enjoy
doing this though |
13:07.36 |
Z80-Boy |
Noone enjoys coughing up money |
13:07.37 |
Defcon |
http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/94705/index.html |
13:07.50 |
Defcon |
i thought he got more money than
this |
13:08.18 |
Maloeran |
140 euros, not too bad |
13:10.22 |
Z80-Boy |
Noone should really complain about hardware
anymore since we have free software for designing
hardware |
13:10.23 |
Defcon |
indeed not |
13:10.31 |
Z80-Boy |
And we have that already for several
years |
13:10.56 |
Defcon |
ppl tend to complain very fast |
13:11.04 |
Z80-Boy |
It's like - you don't like Microsoft Windows?
Take Linux. If you don't like that one, pimp it up until you like
it ;-) |
13:11.52 |
Maloeran |
http://www.rayforce.net/hp000.png |
13:11.56 |
Z80-Boy |
Or like complaining that AutoCAD is crap and
not taking BRL-CAD |
13:12.03 |
Defcon |
and what if ppl can't pimp it up |
13:12.35 |
Defcon |
lol Maloeran |
13:13.23 |
Maloeran |
Looks clear enough to me |
13:14.00 |
Z80-Boy |
Doesn't Leninovo sell notebooks without
Windows? |
13:15.01 |
Z80-Boy |
By using Vista you agree to a) not have any
opinion b) stop thinking c) obey everything Microsoft says d)
voluntarily and irrevocably giving up your all human rights to
Microsoft Corporation (MSFT) |
13:15.56 |
Defcon |
Don't sell your soul to the devil! |
13:16.49 |
Z80-Boy |
I don't like products for whose usage I need a
lawyer |
13:17.08 |
Z80-Boy |
Lawyers are expensive and it totals up pretty
expensive :) |
13:22.40 |
Defcon |
haha yeah |
13:23.45 |
Maloeran |
The point is more to get these companies to
stop trying to force buying software on people |
13:24.19 |
Maloeran |
Although I'm leaving for south america in 4
days, it's not the best timing to begin even a brief legal
battle |
13:25.36 |
Defcon |
:D |
13:27.49 |
minute |
Maloeran: They aren't forcing people to buy
antyhing. |
13:28.20 |
minute |
You choose to buy a laptop that comes with
Vista installed, you could easily choose to purchase a laptop that
doesn't. |
13:28.32 |
Defcon |
if you want that particular laptop/.. they
are |
13:28.52 |
Maloeran |
minute, there's an EULA that states I can get
a refund for it |
13:28.53 |
Defcon |
as a customer you have the right to buy the
laptop without software |
13:28.57 |
Defcon |
indeed |
13:29.02 |
Maloeran |
I didn't agree to the EULA before purchasing
the laptop |
13:29.27 |
minute |
Maloeran: So get a refund? |
13:29.36 |
Maloeran |
Will try to |
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