| 00:30.58 | brlcad | well that was tedious.. but reviewed and accounted for (or am intentionally now ignoring) all 255 |
| 00:31.20 | brlcad | there were actually a couple important ones to catch so so not a complete waste of time :) |
| 00:46.02 | Axman6 | brlcad: any leopard fixes yet? |
| 00:51.24 | brlcad | no not yet :) |
| 00:51.36 | Axman6 | dang |
| 00:51.48 | Axman6 | what were the problems again? |
| 00:51.52 | brlcad | a bit busy with this little matter of a repository conversion :) |
| 00:52.21 | Axman6 | brlcad: yeah that's fair enough |
| 00:52.28 | brlcad | Axman6: the problems are actually bugs in the Xorg X11 server |
| 00:52.44 | brlcad | a compile on your system worked just fine remotely |
| 00:52.52 | Axman6 | hopefully 10.5.2 will fix them |
| 00:53.15 | brlcad | probably will, it's been a known problem that's been discussed on the apple mailing lists several times now |
| 00:53.17 | yukonbob | oops -- got cats in wrong order... :P |
| 00:53.42 | brlcad | there is an early install that you can try out that should be the same as what apple will eventually deploy when it's ready |
| 00:54.08 | Axman6 | yeah i have it |
| 00:54.12 | louipc | apple is switching to Xorg eh? |
| 00:54.27 | Axman6 | no |
| 00:54.49 | Axman6 | just their X11.app is now Xorg based, not Xfree86 based |
| 00:55.07 | louipc | ah |
| 00:55.21 | Axman6 | X11 is a terrible system imo, i've very, very glad apple don't use it. |
| 00:55.26 | Axman6 | one of the best things about OS X |
| 00:55.29 | louipc | hehe |
| 00:55.37 | louipc | it works alright for me |
| 00:56.44 | brlcad | Axman6: you have the download from: http://trac.macosforge.org/projects/xquartz ? |
| 00:56.51 | Axman6 | yeah |
| 00:57.02 | Axman6 | that's what i did most of my testing with too |
| 00:57.07 | Axman6 | i've had it for ages |
| 00:57.41 | brlcad | they have continual updates .. last was mid dec |
| 00:58.44 | brlcad | I'd actually suggest filing a bug report with them in case we provoke some unique situation |
| 00:59.07 | brlcad | http://trac.macosforge.org/projects/xquartz/report |
| 00:59.39 | brlcad | kinda telling when you drop in the 10.4 X11 and it works |
| 01:00.41 | Axman6 | the last release came out in early december, and that's the one i have. i'll have another play, see if anything's changed for whatever reason |
| 01:05.36 | Axman6 | so brlcad, if you could use a comp's GPU for ray tracing, like the programmable ones, would that be of much benefit? |
| 01:05.52 | Axman6 | like what they're doing for folding@home |
| 01:13.29 | louipc | folding@home uses gpu? |
| 01:13.35 | Axman6 | it can |
| 01:13.43 | louipc | dang cool |
| 01:13.48 | Axman6 | they have an alpha or something for it |
| 01:13.59 | Axman6 | it's supposed to be extremely fast |
| 01:14.19 | louipc | I thought most gpu specs are closed |
| 01:14.37 | louipc | well ati just opened it |
| 01:16.12 | Axman6 | it's got nothing to do with drivers afaik. |
| 01:16.27 | Axman6 | a lot of modern GPU's are programmable |
| 01:18.00 | louipc | oh.. I figured if you knew the gpu instructions and all that then it would be no problem writing drivers for it :/, so it's some separate function eh? |
| 01:19.09 | Axman6 | yeah |
| 01:20.49 | brlcad | Axman6: yeah, it can be beneficial |
| 01:21.10 | Axman6 | are GPU's good at the kind of work brl-cad does? |
| 01:21.31 | brlcad | I've been watching and reading the research on gpu processing for over 5 years |
| 01:21.39 | brlcad | in general, no not really |
| 01:21.55 | Axman6 | could it be? |
| 01:21.57 | brlcad | you can make a customized ray-tracer that really takes advantage, but it's overly complicated |
| 01:22.01 | brlcad | in a serious way |
| 01:22.14 | brlcad | and the interface you write to is a very fast moving target |
| 01:22.19 | brlcad | changing every couple years |
| 01:22.25 | Axman6 | yeah :\ |
| 01:22.27 | louipc | hm |
| 01:23.02 | brlcad | it's already changed about three times over, so even if you get something working great today, there's really no telling if it's all wasted effort three years down the road |
| 01:24.12 | brlcad | you also have to either cut back to floating-point tolerance models too or take a fairly substantial performance hit |
| 01:24.57 | brlcad | and the code, if that wasn't clear.. is a royal custom pita to develop -- things like the gpgpu project have been making that aspect a whole lot better but you still have to write code that jumps through all sorts of hoops |
| 01:27.05 | brlcad | at which point I ask what the goal is .. |
| 01:27.56 | Axman6 | what about supporting the PS3? :P |
| 01:28.05 | brlcad | huh? |
| 01:28.07 | brlcad | what about it? |
| 01:28.27 | brlcad | you mean running on the cell processor? |
| 01:28.38 | Axman6 | well, the cell is pretty powerful... but not exactly an ideal platform for brl-cad |
| 01:29.04 | brlcad | it's pretty nice, but the price point simply isn't there (yet) |
| 01:29.23 | brlcad | for the same money, one can just buy more cores and quickly out-perform it |
| 01:29.37 | louipc | there's all kind of weird research that seems to have no point, you never know where it could lead :P |
| 01:29.41 | brlcad | then before too long, your bottlenecks are elsewhere (I/O, bandwidth, etc) |
| 01:30.42 | brlcad | it all has a point, it's research :) |
| 01:30.43 | Axman6 | i know where my bottleneck is, it's definitely I/O :( |
| 01:30.48 | Axman6 | i need a faster drive |
| 01:31.53 | brlcad | and generally research that was developed/investigated/implemented with specific intentions in mind .. a lot of research is great on paper, but horrible once put to practicalities and maintainability, others are glory moments .. |
| 01:32.06 | brlcad | that's the great part about siggraph, you get it all, and get the trends year over year |
| 01:32.42 | brlcad | gpgpu is still accellerating, and at some point it'll really start to settle as a bonefide generic vector coprocessor |
| 01:32.58 | brlcad | that's where it's all leading, along with massive cpu+gpu convergence |
| 01:34.05 | brlcad | there are places in librt today that could directly benefit from vector processing -- early evaluation of the csg expressions for every primary ray, for example |
| 01:34.29 | brlcad | I'd bet that would give a solid order improvement on our large models |
| 01:34.48 | brlcad | vector evaluation of the primitives is another, but that's a data management beast |
| 02:18.04 | brlcad | still processing |
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| 02:29.35 | aaronkramer | is brlcad available for intel macs? |
| 02:31.19 | Axman6 | it is, but things are a little broken in leopard |
| 02:31.34 | aaronkramer | i don't have leopard I have tiger |
| 02:31.59 | aaronkramer | is there a walkthrough for compiling it in tiger |
| 02:32.02 | yukonbob | where "things are a little broken in leopard" is apparently leopards X11 implementation... |
| 02:32.05 | Axman6 | works fine then. you might have to compile it yourself though |
| 02:32.30 | brlcad | the binaries on the site work with tiger |
| 02:32.45 | brlcad | or you should get a good compile with pretty much default compilation options |
| 02:32.50 | aaronkramer | I tried it is says that the display var is undefined or something like that |
| 02:32.57 | Axman6 | aaronkramer:download the source, open it, cd into it, ./configure --enable-optimized $$ make -j2 && sudo make install |
| 02:33.00 | Axman6 | that should do it |
| 02:33.00 | brlcad | run X11 first |
| 02:33.10 | brlcad | that's not a problem with the build |
| 02:33.15 | brlcad | that's just knowing how X11 works |
| 02:33.23 | aaronkramer | I have programs that work in X11 |
| 02:33.46 | Axman6 | aaronkramer: you need to add 'export DISPLAY=0.0' to your .profile i think |
| 02:33.59 | brlcad | or .bash_profile |
| 02:34.04 | aaronkramer | how would I do that |
| 02:34.04 | Axman6 | there's no need for that in leopard, thankfully |
| 02:34.13 | brlcad | if you run from xterm instead of Terminal, then you don't need to set anything |
| 02:34.24 | aaronkramer | ok |
| 02:34.25 | brlcad | xterm sets it up automatically |
| 02:34.26 | Axman6 | that too |
| 02:35.25 | aaronkramer | do I use xterm commands the same way I use terminal commands |
| 02:35.27 | aaronkramer | like cd |
| 02:35.29 | aaronkramer | and sudo |
| 02:35.33 | brlcad | otherwise, if X11 is already running, you can also just prepend "DISPLAY=:0" to any X11 command and it should work in Terminal too (or add it to your init files) |
| 02:35.33 | Axman6 | aaronkramer: if you want to use terminal.app, add 'export DISPLAY=:0.0' to your ~/.profile |
| 02:35.46 | Axman6 | aaronkramer: it's all using bash, so yes |
| 02:35.46 | brlcad | aaronkramer: yes, they're both just unix command lines |
| 02:36.02 | brlcad | just the one in xterm initializes slightly differently |
| 02:36.09 | aaronkramer | okay |
| 02:36.13 | Axman6 | and uses X11 |
| 02:36.36 | aaronkramer | so if I compile using xterm will I only be able to launch via xterm in the future |
| 02:36.45 | Axman6 | no |
| 02:37.05 | Axman6 | the terminal app you use has nothing to do with how it builds |
| 02:37.22 | brlcad | Axman6: default account template on Macs have a .bash_profile, so editing .profile won't work |
| 02:37.36 | brlcad | bash searches in order and uses the first one it finds |
| 02:37.42 | Axman6 | brlcad: yeah, i usually advise using .bash_profile |
| 02:38.03 | brlcad | at least depends on the version of OS X.. later versions stopped defaulting a .bash_profile |
| 02:38.12 | brlcad | so depends whether they've upgraded or clean-installed |
| 02:38.36 | brlcad | aaronkramer: did that work for you? |
| 02:38.51 | aaronkramer | just a sec |
| 02:40.41 | aaronkramer | I do |
| 02:40.41 | aaronkramer | configure --enable-optimized $$ make -j2 && |
| 02:40.51 | aaronkramer | and all it does is give me a little arrow |
| 02:41.08 | aaronkramer | what should I type there |
| 02:41.12 | Axman6 | uh, my bad |
| 02:41.16 | brlcad | you're missing the rest of the line |
| 02:41.17 | Axman6 | replace the $$ with && |
| 02:41.25 | brlcad | (too) |
| 02:41.41 | aaronkramer | okay |
| 02:41.51 | brlcad | ./configure --enable-optimized --without-opengl --enable-all && make -j2 |
| 02:41.54 | Axman6 | && tells the shell to run what comes after it, if the bit before it exits cleanly |
| 02:42.06 | brlcad | then run: sudo make install and it'll install into /usr/brlcad |
| 02:42.08 | Axman6 | so if configure fails, it won't try making it |
| 02:42.43 | brlcad | type /usr/brlcad/bin/mged into the xterm window, and it should pop up the mged gui (two windows) |
| 02:43.19 | aaronkramer | okay it seems to be configuring it |
| 02:43.24 | brlcad | you can/should read the README and INSTALL files if you get stuck .. they go into more extensive detail |
| 02:43.33 | brlcad | did you add the --without-opengl option? |
| 02:43.37 | aaronkramer | yea |
| 02:43.40 | brlcad | k |
| 02:44.02 | aaronkramer | can i delete the source files after I have installed it |
| 02:44.08 | brlcad | sure |
| 02:44.15 | aaronkramer | okay |
| 02:44.36 | louipc | keep the Makefile maybe |
| 02:44.36 | brlcad | you can also run /usr/brlcad/bin/benchmark after it installs and it'll run a performance profile of your hardware |
| 02:44.50 | louipc | in case you want to make uninstall :P |
| 02:44.54 | aaronkramer | okay |
| 02:45.15 | brlcad | nah, brl-cad installs fully contained .. uninstall is trivial: sudo rm -rf /usr/brlcad |
| 02:45.29 | aaronkramer | is the xterm better for compiling programs that use x11 |
| 02:45.38 | brlcad | no difference |
| 02:45.56 | aaronkramer | because I have been trying for so long to get xaralx to work |
| 02:46.02 | Axman6 | aaronkramer: they're just different gui's for the same thing really |
| 02:46.05 | brlcad | the only real difference is that the xterm has DISPLAY set since it's tied to the X11 server |
| 02:46.08 | aaronkramer | oh |
| 02:46.19 | louipc | oh yeah, depends on how you install it |
| 02:47.07 | aaronkramer | how long does it usually take to configure? |
| 02:47.39 | Axman6 | 1-2 mins |
| 02:47.57 | aaronkramer | does it jump right into the make and install if it is succsessful |
| 02:48.13 | louipc | better haha? |
| 02:48.33 | louipc | no you have to tell it to make install after configure is finished |
| 02:48.45 | aaronkramer | hmm |
| 02:48.55 | louipc | i think configure might take 10min for me |
| 02:49.00 | louipc | but my computer is slow |
| 02:49.17 | aaronkramer | mine isn't it is an imac one of the new ones |
| 02:49.23 | aaronkramer | and it is taking awhile |
| 02:49.31 | Axman6 | takes 1:45ish on my MBP 2.4GHz |
| 02:49.37 | louipc | lots of things to check :P |
| 02:49.46 | aaronkramer | really? |
| 02:49.57 | Axman6 | that's 1min 45 sec |
| 02:50.00 | aaronkramer | it has gone on longer than that |
| 02:50.10 | Axman6 | the initial one often does |
| 02:50.16 | aaronkramer | oh |
| 02:50.45 | aaronkramer | so what do you guys think of brl cad |
| 02:51.01 | aaronkramer | is it better than the commercial stuff |
| 02:52.51 | louipc | nope |
| 02:53.23 | louipc | but most of the commercial stuff only runs on windows so... maybe yes! |
| 02:53.30 | aaronkramer | heh |
| 02:53.32 | louipc | in terms of features though... nope |
| 02:53.42 | aaronkramer | I heard there were chemical libraries |
| 02:53.59 | aaronkramer | where you could actually define a components chemical composition |
| 02:54.11 | aaronkramer | is this for real? |
| 02:54.43 | louipc | in brlcad? I don't know |
| 02:54.51 | louipc | or BRL-CAD I mean |
| 02:56.36 | aaronkramer | should I run make benchmark or make install |
| 02:56.55 | Axman6 | sudo make install, then make benchmark |
| 02:57.02 | Axman6 | just to see how fast it is |
| 02:57.29 | louipc | 1M times faster than reference machine? heh |
| 02:58.05 | aaronkramer | it took 13:18 to configure |
| 02:58.54 | louipc | nice |
| 03:00.44 | aaronkramer | should I exit the other programs befor I run the benchmark program |
| 03:01.22 | louipc | maybe if something is really using up cpu |
| 03:01.30 | aaronkramer | not really |
| 03:01.34 | aaronkramer | eh |
| 03:01.39 | aaronkramer | I won't bother |
| 03:03.11 | Axman6 | it's not something that important, just gives you an idea of how fast your machine is |
| 03:04.40 | louipc | i've only done it once I think |
| 03:08.40 | aaronkramer | how do I launch BRL-CAD again |
| 03:08.44 | aaronkramer | is it mged? |
| 03:10.19 | louipc | yeah |
| 03:10.38 | aaronkramer | its not working |
| 03:11.22 | louipc | ah right you might need to set your path |
| 03:11.30 | aaronkramer | never mind it works |
| 03:11.35 | louipc | to /usr/brlcad/bin |
| 03:11.38 | louipc | ok |
| 03:11.55 | aaronkramer | how do I do that |
| 03:12.25 | louipc | PATH=$PATH:/usr/brlcad/bin |
| 03:12.51 | louipc | it's probably a good idea to use .profile or /etc/profile .... |
| 03:13.03 | louipc | but I'm not so familiar with the mac environment |
| 03:13.09 | louipc | so it might be different |
| 03:13.17 | aaronkramer | I am not sure I understand |
| 03:13.54 | louipc | when you type a command into the shell, it looks in a variable called PATH for directories that contain programs |
| 03:14.11 | aaronkramer | but what does it mean that no database has been opened |
| 03:14.29 | louipc | it means you haven't opened a brlcad model |
| 03:15.51 | aaronkramer | okay |
| 03:15.57 | aaronkramer | I understand now |
| 03:16.11 | louipc | opendb <file> will do it for you |
| 03:16.21 | louipc | that's how you start a new file as well |
| 03:16.55 | aaronkramer | thanks |
| 03:16.59 | louipc | or you can open directly from the command line by just `mged <file>` |
| 03:17.30 | aaronkramer | I am off bed now |
| 03:17.36 | aaronkramer | see you later and thanks |
| 03:17.40 | louipc | bye |
| 04:39.39 | brlcad | louipc: 1M times? .. there's only a handful of machines on the planet that are in the "M"-times-faster-than-reference-machine range |
| 04:41.14 | louipc | yes I exaggerated |
| 04:42.50 | brlcad | the new high-performance computer that was dedicated to Mike Muuss at ARL's HPC center is presently ranked #27 on the planet and I was able to get an estimate of about 7M VGRs performance iirc |
| 04:43.57 | louipc | what do you use that one for? |
| 04:44.24 | brlcad | why emacs of course ;) |
| 04:44.32 | louipc | hehehe |
| 04:45.48 | brlcad | 7M VGRs is freaking impressive .. to think when Mike started BRL-CAD .. the VGR references *was* a supercomputer and it came in at .. 1 .. 25 years later, 7 million times faster |
| 04:46.55 | brlcad | at that rate, you could render some of the original brl-cad renderings that took an entire week to process in about a minute |
| 04:47.01 | brlcad | s/renderings/animations/ |
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| 14:15.35 | ``Erik | vax's were minis, not supers :( |
| 14:15.59 | ``Erik | but they were omfg powerful compared to the PC's that came out many yrs later |
| 14:18.06 | ``Erik | hum, appleII and commodore PET were released the same year as the vax 11/780, BSD was released that year, arcnet was developed, xmodem was developed... |
| 14:19.17 | ``Erik | cray-1 was about he same time |
| 14:20.12 | ``Erik | or, rather, the first cray-1 install was the same time |
| 14:23.14 | ``Erik | so, another re-import O.o |
| 14:58.54 | Z80-Boy | Is it true that if a foreigner comes to a US airport they always take a fingerprint from him? |
| 14:59.25 | alex_joni | yup |
| 14:59.50 | Z80-Boy | Is it possible to fly to Mexico and then go to the US with a car? |
| 14:59.56 | Z80-Boy | Or a train or whatever? |
| 15:00.07 | Z80-Boy | They don't take fingerprints on the borders? |
| 15:00.36 | Z80-Boy | What privacy risks does this fingerprinting imply? |
| 15:04.28 | alex_joni | they fidn you when you do something stupid? |
| 15:07.26 | prasad_ | they get u on fake charges and send u to guantanemo bay with the blessing of the foreign govt |
| 15:08.57 | prasad_ | wait that's harold and kumar 2 |
| 15:08.58 | prasad_ | :P |
| 15:13.11 | Z80-Boy | prasad_: that's what I was concerned about |
| 15:13.35 | Z80-Boy | Is it possible to fly to Mexico, then go on land? |
| 15:19.30 | prasad_ | *shrug* |
| 15:24.06 | ``Erik | probably be easier to bump through canada... *cough* |
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| 15:34.12 | Defcon | hi all |
| 15:34.14 | Defcon | Declan: I dunno...I love her, but this new years is going to be uber depressing |
| 15:34.14 | Defcon | grencez: her friends are much lamer than both of you combined |
| 15:34.15 | Defcon | Declan: The thought of her getting high at a party where everyone is drunk while I sit at home and code Perl or something is kind of too much to bear |
| 15:34.18 | Defcon | CyanFlux: maybe try coding something in c |
| 15:34.34 | ``Erik | heh, paste the qdb url, not the whole damn entry, dude :D |
| 15:36.58 | brlcad | ``Erik: give the checkout another try, see if things look better |
| 15:37.16 | ``Erik | hum, do I have to purge and re-co, or do ya think I can up? |
| 15:37.55 | brlcad | no idea |
| 15:38.48 | brlcad | probably could up, should work if it's smart |
| 15:38.48 | ``Erik | and what'm I looking for, permissions in tie stuff? |
| 15:38.49 | brlcad | specially since it does the md5 thing on the root files you have stored locally |
| 15:38.49 | brlcad | whatever you can find |
| 15:38.49 | brlcad | anything wrong |
| 15:38.53 | brlcad | or different |
| 15:39.20 | ``Erik | hum, permissions in libtie are still gooby |
| 15:39.38 | ``Erik | that was the only thing I'd noticed from playing yesterday... |
| 15:39.42 | ``Erik | lemme blow it away and retry |
| 15:44.27 | Defcon | (@Dreki) I just realized something. |
| 15:44.28 | Defcon | (@Dreki) A is the 1st letter of the alphabet and H is the 8th letter, right? |
| 15:44.28 | Defcon | (@Dreki) 9/11=0.8181818181=HAHAHAHA. |
| 15:44.30 | Defcon | ohw |
| 15:44.37 | Defcon | sorry ``Erik |
| 15:44.41 | Defcon | :) |
| 15:58.23 | ``Erik | brlcad: what do you think about joining Ed and myself for lunch at olive shack? |
| 15:58.36 | ``Erik | also; perms in libtie look good now |
| 15:59.38 | ``Erik | src/adrt/doc/ChangeLog is still +x |
| 16:02.13 | ``Erik | silly nfs, you should know enough that I don't have to do "cd $PWD" |
| 16:03.08 | Z80-Boy | Do they do this fingerprint scanning also on domestic flights? |
| 16:03.31 | ``Erik | no, z80 |
| 16:03.51 | Z80-Boy | So if a foreigner flies from LA to NYC, they don't fingerprint? |
| 16:04.19 | ``Erik | I d'no about a foreign national, but I don't get fingerprinted when flying in the us |
| 16:05.02 | Z80-Boy | I think it should be possible to fly to Mexico or Canada, drive over the border or maybe take a train or a bus, and then fly the rest. |
| 16:05.07 | ``Erik | I show up with my ticket, show 'em my drivers license, take off my shoes and go through the security crap and I'm on my way |
| 16:05.27 | Z80-Boy | take off your shoes? Why? |
| 16:05.37 | Z80-Boy | Do they make an X-ray of the body? |
| 16:05.55 | ``Erik | I imagine that carrying a czech ID through a canadian/US entry will get some scrutiny |
| 16:06.07 | ``Erik | no, for the metal detector... just to be pains in the arse I suppose |
| 16:06.09 | brlcad | ``Erik: sounds shacky |
| 16:06.33 | ``Erik | they jacked up the sensitivity so far that the fucking rivets on my jeans have set them off before |
| 16:06.59 | ``Erik | so they made it standard policy that the shoes have to go through the xray conveyer, I guess too many metal arch supports or rivets |
| 16:07.27 | ``Erik | 'shacky' is lamesauce for 'yes, I will join you gentlemen for lunch'? |
| 16:07.33 | Z80-Boy | maybe you could choke a pilot with your shoe |
| 16:07.50 | ``Erik | heh, ya get 'em back after the detector/xray phase |
| 16:08.10 | ``Erik | <-- wears slip-on type shoes when flying anymore :/ |
| 16:09.33 | Z80-Boy | US airports, the little gitmoes |
| 16:09.44 | ``Erik | I would guess that xenophobia and general paranoia is going to make flying and border crossing less than enjoyable for you :( |
| 16:10.20 | ``Erik | I've read stories about people being detained for 8+ hours on suspicions... |
| 16:10.25 | Z80-Boy | This helps the terrorists reach their goal - paralyze the population with fear |
| 16:10.38 | Z80-Boy | I think the US administration should be charged with cooperation with the terrorists |
| 16:11.05 | Z80-Boy | I have read about someone who couldn't fly because he had a PIC (microcontroller) programmer where he added a resistor |
| 16:11.17 | ``Erik | <-- looks over his shoulder |
| 16:11.31 | ``Erik | it's interesting to hear a rational observation from another country |
| 16:11.32 | ``Erik | O.o |
| 16:11.32 | ``Erik | :D |
| 16:11.32 | Z80-Boy | They said it's an Improvised Electronic Device (IED) and refused to allow him to take it on board |
| 16:12.03 | ``Erik | yeah, then there ws the MIT student trying to fly with a pic controlled LED nametag, she thought it'd help her chances at the job fair she was going to or coming back from |
| 16:12.17 | Z80-Boy | yeah |
| 16:12.30 | Z80-Boy | did she get beaten up? |
| 16:12.33 | ``Erik | and little LED athf ads were treated as bombs in like boston or something (where seattle just went "oh... cool") |
| 16:12.46 | Z80-Boy | athf == ? |
| 16:12.51 | ``Erik | aqua teen hunger force |
| 16:12.58 | Z80-Boy | what's that? |
| 16:13.02 | ``Erik | tv show |
| 16:13.28 | Z80-Boy | and now you have to place your medication and ointments into bags even in Europe |
| 16:13.35 | Z80-Boy | I take train instead of an airplane |
| 16:14.08 | ``Erik | heh |
| 16:14.15 | Z80-Boy | Instead of walking kilometers in little gitmoes and being humiliated by procedures, I feel like changing trams |
| 16:14.17 | ``Erik | trains are more expensive than flying here |
| 16:14.29 | Z80-Boy | If you take a sleeping train you sleep through the night anyway |
| 16:14.39 | ``Erik | I can fly to my parents for 200usd or take a train for 800 |
| 16:14.39 | Z80-Boy | this one is fortunately more expensive |
| 16:14.53 | ``Erik | like 2000 for a sleeper |
| 16:15.00 | Z80-Boy | and now when the Shengen comes, I will not have to show my passport on the train, whereas in the airport you still have to show it |
| 16:15.14 | Z80-Boy | I want a train between Russia and the US |
| 16:15.25 | ``Erik | might get a bit moist for part of it |
| 16:15.44 | Z80-Boy | There is the Bering strait isn't? |
| 16:15.46 | ``Erik | also; a lot of stodgy old politicians and idiot rednecks still have an "us vs them" attitude |
| 16:15.53 | Z80-Boy | They said they want to build a bridge there |
| 16:16.04 | ``Erik | yeah, the waters a little shallower there along the alutian island chain |
| 16:16.16 | Z80-Boy | US vs them? |
| 16:16.27 | Z80-Boy | or a tunnel? |
| 16:16.30 | Z80-Boy | I don't know |
| 16:16.39 | Z80-Boy | now they are drilling a 57km tunnel here in Switzerland |
| 16:16.44 | ``Erik | I meant "us" as in the self-identifying noun, not the nation |
| 16:16.52 | ``Erik | yeah, I read about that |
| 16:16.57 | ``Erik | and a massive bridge up there, too |
| 16:17.01 | Z80-Boy | But sometimes I have a feeling it's US vs. The Rest Of The World |
| 16:17.17 | Z80-Boy | massive bridge here in Switzerland? What do you mean? |
| 16:17.24 | ``Erik | where they were actuall ybuilding segments of the bridge upside down and using them as giant barges |
| 16:17.26 | ``Erik | sweden area |
| 16:17.35 | Z80-Boy | that's not switzerland |
| 16:17.38 | ``Erik | no, I know |
| 16:17.55 | Z80-Boy | that was Oresund wasn't? That's already finished |
| 16:17.58 | ``Erik | not much use for giant water-crossing bridges in switzerland... but europe is all "over there" |
| 16:18.07 | ``Erik | and tiny :) |
| 16:20.19 | Z80-Boy | If a company says training in the US is required, do you think it makes sense to reject their job offer because of the problems associated with travelling to US? |
| 16:22.16 | ``Erik | *shrug* I d'no, all depends |
| 16:23.46 | Z80-Boy | I think EU should start taking fingerprints and naked pictures and post them freely downloadable under public domain licence |
| 16:23.51 | Z80-Boy | only of US citizens |
| 16:24.05 | ``Erik | heh |
| 16:24.14 | ``Erik | do ya really wanna see naked american tourists? O.o |
| 16:24.43 | Z80-Boy | that's right |
| 16:24.43 | ``Erik | huh, 'propdel svn:executable', keen |
| 16:25.44 | *** join/#brlcad jgay (n=jgay@fsf/staff/jgay) | |
| 16:28.16 | ``Erik | brlcad: I'm gonna gather ed and head over there, we'll save a seat |
| 18:46.06 | brlcad | grr.. now that's annoying that CVS repository has all .sh files with exec set, prop-edit lists .sh as being svn:executable, but they end up non-exec |
| 18:58.50 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r29888 10/brlcad/trunk/ (21 files in 13 dirs): more executable scripts that need their property set |
| 18:59.36 | brlcad | there we go, had to resync the commit hooks |
| 19:01.01 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r29889 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: converted the source repository from CVS to Subversion |
| 19:10.43 | brlcad | woo hoo, tcl files are correct now |
| 19:35.24 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r29890 10/brlcad/trunk/ (1827 files in 102 dirs): And I, for one, welcome our new rat overlords. All hail 2008, the year of the rat! (copyright update) |
| 19:50.00 | alex_joni | brlcad: heh |
| 19:51.24 | brlcad | and ohloh enlistment is proceeding |
| 19:52.03 | *** join/#brlcad Z80-Boy (i=clock@77-56-94-70.dclient.hispeed.ch) | |
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| 20:18.18 | ``Erik | ohno, ohloh! |
| 20:33.12 | brlcad | ohyeah! |
| 20:37.26 | ``Erik | did you just jump through a wall? |
| 20:39.41 | alex_joni | brlcad: but still.. thank god for svn.. wouldn't want to imagine how that commit report would look for CVS |
| 20:55.40 | brlcad | the summary report from CIA looks identical |
| 20:56.28 | brlcad | the big difference now is that I only get one commit e-mail instead of 102 commit e-mails :) |
| 21:02.28 | alex_joni | yup |
| 21:02.33 | alex_joni | that's what I meant.. |
| 21:03.24 | brlcad | ah, yeah :) |
| 21:09.47 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10svn/Windows/svn-1.4.5-setup.exe: erhm, is something filtering exe files? add it again |
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| 21:26.26 | IriX64 | http://www3.sympatico.ca/mario.dulisse2/fb.png <---- weeee Xwin32 and frame buffer :) |
| 21:27.59 | IriX64 | ugly part is xwin32 only allows me 30 minutes a crack :) |
| 21:28.31 | IriX64 | should buy the darn thing |
| 21:34.59 | ``Erik | doesn't cygwin come with a full-up X server? |
| 21:35.28 | IriX64 | want it to work with any windows xserver |
| 21:48.43 | IriX64 | gonna install it into the root of the C drive and copy the needed dll's over and see what happens |
| 21:50.20 | IriX64 | make install |
| 21:50.56 | IriX64 | how do you install an irc channel :) |
