IRC log for #brlcad on 20080222

00:19.19 CIA-4 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r30398 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/tcl/unix/Makefile.in: reapply the patch that installs libtcl.so and libtclstub.so, and conditionally installs the manual pages.
00:20.14 CIA-4 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r30399 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/tk/unix/Makefile.in: reapply the patch that installs libtk.so and libtkstub.so, and conditionally installs the manual pages.
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03:05.44 starseeker Shucks - mythbusters re-busted the Archimedes death ray
03:07.51 Axman6 good call
03:08.12 starseeker Axman6: What, the rebusting?
03:08.23 Axman6 using BRL-
03:08.26 Axman6 CAD*
03:08.27 starseeker Ah
03:08.30 starseeker :-)
03:09.28 starseeker Well, it would be an excuse to model a Roman ship...
03:12.31 louipc yarrr
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03:14.22 yukonbob ninjas operating archimedes deathray vs. a pirate ship (full of pirates, or course) -- two birds with one stone...
03:14.30 starseeker In theory, it might actually be really simple to test a death ray setup if you know the properties of the mirrors
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04:36.55 brlcad Maloeran: *ping*
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05:52.16 brlcad is it possible to compile maxima without Tk ?
05:52.43 brlcad the port seems hard-wired to tk84
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11:33.25 starseeker brlcad: Hmm. I think there is a "lisp-only" compile option that could avoid tk. tk should be needed only for xmaxima, so maybe disabling that...
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11:34.07 starseeker brlcad: Which lisp are you building with? GCL might make the tk thing more difficult - I seem to recall they have their own bindings...
11:34.19 starseeker I recommend sbcl if it's available.
12:55.35 brlcad sbcl
12:55.44 starseeker steel bank common lisp
12:56.04 starseeker Maxima can be built with any of several lisp implementations as a foundation
12:57.30 brlcad had four different options
12:57.33 brlcad that installed okay
12:57.47 brlcad it's maxima itself that has a dep set saying it wants tk
12:58.05 starseeker OK. It might not have a disable flag - let me take a look
12:58.59 brlcad i'm giving it a go to hack it off by hand
12:59.07 starseeker ouch
12:59.33 starseeker Don't worry too much brlcad - if it will take a lot of effort it's not that critical
13:00.52 starseeker Confound it
13:01.00 starseeker they don't have a disable X/tk flag
13:06.32 brlcad well if you want to give a manual hacked compile a go, it should work -- all it's listed deps (except tk) are installed
13:06.44 starseeker Cool - thanks!
13:07.59 brlcad the ports system is in the middle of an upgrade, so things might disappear as they get updated
13:08.09 brlcad lemme know if it looks like something is missing
13:08.29 brlcad (but basically it's a full upgrade in progress, so even things like autoconf will disappear for a few min)
13:08.57 starseeker Will do. My only concern so far is whether the Maxima guys stayed compatible with the 1.0.7 release of sbcl
13:10.14 starseeker they may have
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13:27.11 starseeker Interesting. The dumped lisp image won't load, but I CAN load the compiled fasl files and start the system
13:27.51 starseeker Well, that should work fine
13:28.06 starseeker Thanks Sean - appreciate it!
13:28.32 brlcad got it working?
13:28.37 starseeker Sort of
13:28.59 starseeker The dumped lisp core is complaining about incorrect magic number, but I can load the system with a script
13:29.13 starseeker eeeek
13:29.42 brlcad "don't log out" if you use bash ;)
13:29.46 starseeker Is rlwrap on this box anywhere?
13:29.50 starseeker right :-)
13:30.12 brlcad there it's back
13:30.32 starseeker phew
13:30.47 brlcad not too bad, none of the superuser accounts use bash
13:30.57 brlcad so it would have been recoverable, just a pita
13:31.04 starseeker Ah :-)
13:31.52 starseeker If we can throw rlwrap on brlcad I think it should be good to go
13:32.11 starseeker sbcl doesn't have a readline binding built in, so its default command line behavior is a bit like old style doss
13:32.13 starseeker er dos
13:33.19 starseeker Major system upgrades are always SO much fun...
13:36.28 brlcad rlwrap installed
13:43.12 starseeker Sweet! thanks much
13:45.36 starseeker (being able to left arrow to fix a formula without erasing it is a nice feature...)
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14:38.51 CIA-4 BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r30400 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/win32-msvc8/brlcad/brlcad.sln: Added breplicator.
14:40.32 CIA-4 BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r30401 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/win32-msvc8/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Initial check-in.
14:42.06 CIA-4 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r30402 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/patch/rpatch.f: ws
14:46.55 CIA-4 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r30403 10/brlcad/trunk/src/java/mil/army/arl/brlcad/ (BrlcadGeometry.java BrlcadGeometryServer.java Partition.java): add local variables footer
14:47.07 ``Erik wait, what? fortran?
14:47.40 CIA-4 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r30404 10/brlcad/trunk/sh/ (footer.sh header.sh): add support for .java files
14:50.15 CIA-4 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r30405 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (8 files in 7 dirs): ws style updates for non-C source files that have been processed with indent.sh, making indentation consistent
14:50.37 ``Erik what are you updating? the old bz machine?
14:50.41 brlcad that's some old billy bob code
14:50.46 brlcad yeah
14:50.54 brlcad just a few things, not the whole thing
14:51.31 brlcad portupgrade actually crashed mid-way, inconveniently leaving three ports deleted
14:51.31 ``Erik "portupdate" like to rebuild a lot of stuff
14:51.37 ``Erik ugh
14:51.44 ``Erik crazy, did y ou pass it the -bu option?
14:52.21 brlcad sorry, portmanager
14:52.23 brlcad portmanager -u
14:52.23 ``Erik <-- usually does "sudo portmanager -u -bu -l"
14:52.47 ``Erik that -bu has saved my butt a couple times
14:53.13 brlcad I was able to do the repairs before it wrecked any more havoc
14:53.20 brlcad I don't really want the whole system to update
14:53.33 ``Erik excuse to push the machine migration? :D
14:53.50 brlcad just had to at least update the ports tree though, so everything will want to update
14:55.17 brlcad did horrible on sh code
15:15.05 ``Erik heh, ohloh got on slashdot's front page and got a lot of shit in the comments
15:17.38 ``Erik "maybe playing strip poker against the naked robot wasn't such a good idea"
15:18.59 starseeker Saw that
15:19.36 starseeker I can see why people were uneasy - it's disconcerting to have people making professional judgements on you based on for-free/fun work
15:19.59 starseeker Sort of ruins the relaxed atmosphere
15:23.11 ``Erik plus loc is a shit metric, we've known that for 30 years *shrug8
15:23.23 starseeker indeed
15:23.45 ``Erik probably the best thing microsoft ever did was break ibm's insistence on sloc for pay 25 years ago
15:24.31 starseeker Certainly better than their "for non-commercial-use-only" doc releases
15:42.51 CIA-4 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r30406 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/ (124 files in 10 dirs):
15:42.51 CIA-4 BRL-CAD: needs some run-time testing, but apply the style changes to the tcl sources.
15:42.51 CIA-4 BRL-CAD: indent.sh did surprisingly well at about 90% correctness though it was often
15:42.51 CIA-4 BRL-CAD: confused by embedded #'s in the sources. seeing other examples, it looks like
15:42.51 CIA-4 BRL-CAD: it's valid to quote the # (e.g. for upvar and #auto) and/or quote stringlists
15:42.54 CIA-4 BRL-CAD: that have embeeded #'s but use {}'s. still needs testing.
15:54.42 brlcad maxima is installed
15:55.00 starseeker Cool! thank you
16:00.45 starseeker Ah, maxima - my brain's math co-processor ;-)
16:01.32 ``Erik heh
16:23.13 starseeker Hmm - rset var_linewidth 3 doesn't do anything to the model line drawings. Is it another setting?
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16:51.45 starseeker Anybody know if there's a way to smoothly zoom as opposed to clicking between large jumps?
16:53.03 starseeker nevermind, found the zoom option on the command line
19:41.53 ``Erik there's also "size"
20:03.51 brlcad starseeker: there's no underscore
20:03.54 brlcad run rset
20:25.33 CIA-4 BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r30407 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/ (cmd.c cmd.h rtif.c): collapse some duplicate functions
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20:36.32 ``Erik hrm
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21:04.13 starseeker brlcad: Oh, duh - thanks
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