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00:40.07 brlcad hello jdoliner
00:46.10 jdoliner hi
00:46.49 brlcad shows jdoliner the wonderous awesomemeness of 'screen'
00:48.03 jdoliner I'm afraid I don't see the wonderous awesomeness
00:49.15 brlcad screen+irssi ftw
00:49.44 brlcad then you can read the log and respond/interact *much* more effectively ;)
00:50.34 jdoliner screen+irssi
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01:26.42 *** topic/#brlcad is BRL-CAD Open Source Solid Modeling || http://brlcad.org || http://sf.net/projects/brlcad || Channel logs at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23brlcad/ || BRL-CAD is participating in the 2008 Google Summer of Code, see http://brlcad.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code || GSoC applications are being reviewed throughout the week, final candidates will be required to provide a useful patch
01:42.34 mafm bye
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02:19.59 starseeker_home is being gradually introduced to screen+irssi
02:20.12 starseeker_home it is awesome
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02:57.03 brlcad indeedy
02:57.31 starseeker_home upgrades BRL-CAD on home box for rt -k goodness...
02:57.38 brlcad heh
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03:44.44 CIA-10 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r30721 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/tire.c: Add input flag for tread - default is off, -t to activate it (currently only the default test tread is available.
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03:45.33 brlcad yay, distcheck succeeds
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03:49.44 brlcad howdy dtidrow
04:47.08 CIA-12 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r30723 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/ (Makefile.am tire.1): Add start of man page for tire, integrate it into autoconf.
04:47.47 starseeker_home decides his eyes are bugged out enough for one night...
05:03.57 CIA-12 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r30724 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/tire.c: don't need an array for single values, just pass in an address to that value then dereference the variable in the function
05:27.47 CIA-12 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r30725 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/tire.1: tire started in 2008
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06:43.10 brlcad g'morning d_rossberg (and goodnight!) :)
06:43.17 d_rossberg moin moin
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10:03.23 mafm hi
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10:49.22 thing0 hi mafm
10:50.46 mafm 'lo there
10:55.50 thing0 sup
11:05.15 mafm trying to find a new laptop... I hate mine and CRC errors are no good
11:11.39 mafm going to lunch now..
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12:36.32 hippieindamakin8 hey goodmorning guys
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14:36.55 andrecastelo bom dia everyone
14:39.55 mafm tá foda cara andrecastelo
14:51.38 hippieindamakin8 hey andrecastelo mafm
14:51.47 andrecastelo hey hippieindamakin8
14:55.20 ``Erik uhhhh, yo queero taco hell?
14:55.22 ``Erik :D
14:55.30 ``Erik howdy, ya'll
14:55.36 andrecastelo hey ``Erik :D
14:55.43 mafm ``Erik: trying to speak mexican? :)
14:56.05 ``Erik I'm trying to mock myself with a parody attempt at it, yes
14:57.52 mafm :P
14:58.02 mafm we're speaking portuguese anyway
14:58.09 mafm much better language
14:58.48 ``Erik hehehe, amusing, the one program I did the i18n shit on, the ONE submitted translation file was brazilian portuguese
14:59.52 mafm the amusing part is that it was the only one translation, or do you mean that the portuguese translation was brazilian variant? :)
15:00.57 ``Erik both
15:01.02 ``Erik the intersection of those
15:01.31 ``Erik :)
15:01.54 ``Erik (but, please, don't let me interrupt your convo, I'm just being goofy)
15:02.12 mafm well, Brazil has about 200 million people, Portugal 11 million
15:02.40 ``Erik yeah, but how many people speak, say, french? spanish? russian? chinese? indian?
15:03.23 mafm and some african countries and scattered places around the world (as where I'm from), but those are few and not very computer-literate anyway :)
15:03.31 ``Erik guess the portuguese speaking world is just cooler than the rest
15:04.01 mafm spanish about 400 million people (and written is more unified than portuguese), french about the same as portuguese, mandarin chinese probably over 500 million people... :)
15:05.10 mafm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers#Top_20
15:06.05 ``Erik <-- english and japanese, trying to learn a little german
15:06.17 mafm the french is not very accurate AFAIK, the de-facto "international" language for may people in Africa and some other places is still french instead of english
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15:06.33 ``Erik southern asia has a lot of french speaking people, as well
15:07.23 mafm I'm native of portuguese and spanish, and then english as third language, and understanding of a few other latin-related ones like italian :)
15:12.59 ``Erik heh, spanish and italian are both romance languages, I'm not sure of portuguese falls into that
15:13.20 ``Erik german is teutonic, english is a horrible bastardization of 3 major families (therefore incredibly difficult to "master")
15:13.40 hippieindamakin8 one billion people speak indian :P
15:14.15 clock_ I found english very easy to master
15:14.34 yukonbob waves in
15:14.48 hippieindamakin8 and by indian .. it is hindi :) and the most used language in india is english :)
15:14.57 mafm portuguese is a bit more close to italian than spanish
15:15.20 mafm waves
15:15.32 hippieindamakin8 hey yukonbob
15:16.22 hippieindamakin8 but in all english comes to the rescue doesnt it mafm ``Erik ?
15:16.34 prasad_ who's indian
15:16.43 hippieindamakin8 i am :)
15:16.52 prasad_ heh cool
15:17.06 mafm hippieindamakin8: you mean between italian/spanish/portuguese speakers, or in general?
15:17.10 hippieindamakin8 when parents are multilingual .. english comes to the rescue :)
15:17.53 mafm portuguese speakers tend to understand standard spanish almost completely, and mostly italian, but the other way around much less :)
15:18.01 hippieindamakin8 ya i had spanish and italian flatmates in sweden and it was very difficult for them to have a conversation amongst themselves
15:18.13 mafm but lately when young people meets or so, english tends to be the common language
15:18.40 mafm in the case of parents with different languages, usually one of them accomodates
15:18.46 hippieindamakin8 neways .. every language has it own flavour :)
15:19.28 hippieindamakin8 my parents from 2 different languages by birth :) i finally started using english
15:19.31 mafm sweeden is a completely different language, I don't know its roots
15:19.41 hippieindamakin8 it is close to german
15:20.18 hippieindamakin8 in india there are 600 languages :)
15:20.45 mafm well, india is very big
15:21.14 mafm probably in whole europe there are also about as much
15:21.17 hippieindamakin8 ya :) may be i ll try later to port the brl-cad package to hindi :)
15:21.22 hippieindamakin8 ya :)
15:22.00 mafm not counting immigrants of course, otherwise there are about 6k :)
15:22.03 clock_ we have a lot of languages in Links menu but no hindi yes
15:22.32 hippieindamakin8 but actually porting to hindi is of not much use..
15:22.57 clock_ we have like portuguese and brazilian portuguese
15:23.03 clock_ bahasa indonesia and upper sorbian
15:23.08 clock_ we should get hindi and tibetan
15:23.09 hippieindamakin8 anybody who uses a package or computers are good at english
15:23.32 prasad_ i8n is a pain
15:23.44 prasad_ we finally have a good IME solution in our product
15:24.07 Axman6 i18n?
15:24.14 clock_ we dont have israeli probably because our system cant write right to left
15:24.18 prasad_ yup
15:24.34 hippieindamakin8 :)
15:24.42 clock_ we also cannot write from center to the edges, inside up, in a spiral or in an elephant shape
15:25.12 clock_ but we have a special support for braille terminal
15:29.13 mafm uh, that's cool
15:29.35 mafm do you know if the are there any people using it?
15:29.56 clock_ like Links or like the particular translation?
15:30.33 mafm the translation
15:30.44 mafm with links you mean the text mode browser?
15:30.44 clock_ I don't know
15:30.53 clock_ text and graphics mode browser
15:31.00 mafm graphics?
15:31.03 clock_ yes
15:31.13 clock_ with -g it runs in graphics mode, without in text
15:31.34 clock_ displays porn bettern then any other browser
15:31.47 clock_ because of sophisticated careful image handling
15:32.57 hippieindamakin8 prasad_, are u a POI ?
15:33.03 hippieindamakin8 *PIO
15:33.13 prasad_ a wha?
15:33.24 prasad_ oh indian origin?
15:33.28 hippieindamakin8 person of india origin
15:33.31 prasad_ sri lankan
15:33.45 hippieindamakin8 oh :)
15:34.42 mafm clock_: I think that you should advertise those special features as links4pr0n
15:35.12 mafm you would surpass Firefox market share
15:35.14 mafm :)
15:35.28 clock_ no we don't have CSS and Flash
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15:37.14 mafm hmm, I can't find screenies of links in graphics modes
15:37.34 mafm do you use X, GTK, Qt or something like that?
15:37.49 clock_ we don't use GTK and Qt
15:37.51 clock_ but we use X
15:38.16 clock_ Here is the list of graphical platforms we run on http://links.twibright.com/features.php
15:38.29 clock_ "Links runs in graphics mode (mouse required) on X Window System (UN*X, Cygwin), SVGAlib, Linux Framebuffer, OS/2 PMShell, AtheOS GUI"
15:38.40 clock_ Not sure what an AtheOS GUI is
15:38.56 clock_ But since I wrote a program that allegedly runs on it, I think it must at least exist.
15:39.23 clock_ Also never seen the OS/2 PMShell
15:39.36 mafm wow, very nice indeed
15:40.27 clock_ It also runs on SPAD but since SPAD is not yet released yet it probably doesn't make sense to mention it
15:40.37 clock_ on SPAD it runs at least on svgalib
15:42.54 clock_ I should probably suggest BRL-CAD to be ported on SPAD
15:43.14 clock_ How many places have to be changed because SPAD has filenames in the style logical_disk:dir1/dir2/filename
15:43.18 clock_ with case-insensitive filenames
15:43.29 clock_ it has X Window System
15:43.37 clock_ standard gcc and so
15:44.31 mafm I didn't know that
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17:52.35 mafm bye
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18:06.57 CIA-12 BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r30726 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/clone.c: Modify f_clone() to return the name of the clone if one has been created.
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18:37.46 CIA-12 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r30727 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/tire.c: Tweak the zig-zag tread generator.
19:14.41 CIA-12 BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r30728 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/mged/xclone.tcl: Initial check-in.
19:15.15 CIA-12 BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r30729 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/mged/tclIndex: Add entry for xclone.
19:17.52 CIA-12 BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r30730 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/mged/Makefile.am: Add entry for xclone.tcl.
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20:22.33 brlcad for the students waiting -- just wanted to let you know that every application is very much valued and appreciated, especially the hard work that goes into them -- I wish we could accept more (and maybe next year we'll have a larger developer capacity for doing that)
20:22.56 brlcad so if you're a student that applied, thank you *very* much for all your hard work -- best of luck to everyone and even if you're not accepted, I sincerely do hope many of you will stay/become involved with BRL-CAD development
20:23.12 brlcad involvement throughout the year can do wonders for next year's participation too if google runs the program again, if we apply as an org, if we're accepted, etc ;)
20:23.30 brlcad announcements should be on monday
20:23.38 thing0 cool
20:23.41 thing0 morning brlcad
20:24.16 *** topic/#brlcad by brlcad -> BRL-CAD Open Source Solid Modeling || http://brlcad.org || http://sf.net/projects/brlcad || Channel logs at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23brlcad/ || BRL-CAD is participating in the 2008 Google Summer of Code, see http://brlcad.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code || GSoC student selections will be announced on Monday the 21st
20:24.24 brlcad howdy thing0
20:24.57 thing0 it is awesome brlcad got into GSoC
20:24.59 thing0 :)
20:25.22 thing0 hopefully this will speed up dev
20:26.09 brlcad hopefully indeed :)
20:26.21 brlcad looking forward to seeing how things grow
20:26.33 brlcad hopefully the start of a productive tradition :)
20:26.54 thing0 yes it would be good
20:26.55 brlcad there are some really impressive candidates, lots of great ideas
20:26.56 thing0 hehe
20:27.01 thing0 awesome
20:27.14 thing0 good thing too
20:27.24 thing0 I'm getting really sick of commercial CAD
20:28.04 brlcad open source collaboration ftw
20:28.24 thing0 hehe
20:28.28 thing0 exactly
20:29.00 thing0 just the fact that all it seems they are doing, is adding just enough features to make users pay maintenance the next year
20:29.23 thing0 I'm going to start blogging about my CAD frustrations shortly
20:29.24 thing0 hehe
20:29.45 thing0 just been trying to make a script to clean up the output from onenote
20:29.52 thing0 cause I keep all my notes in there now
20:29.53 thing0 ;)
20:30.03 brlcad of course, most commercial CAD are entrenched and "done" .. their products won't radically change or improve, they can't
20:30.04 thing0 vendor lock-in I know
20:30.06 thing0 hehe
20:30.14 thing0 brlcad: yeah I agree
20:30.29 thing0 but solidworks for example
20:30.38 thing0 just seems to be trying to fit everyones boat
20:30.52 thing0 which it shouldn't
20:31.02 thing0 but
20:31.09 thing0 it is all in the name of sales
20:32.36 thing0 I am starting to become more interested in Explicit Modeling
20:33.15 thing0 I think that it should be Explicit Modeling with the ability to control the parts created parametrically
20:33.30 thing0 so quickly model up the concept you want
20:33.39 thing0 then drive the size with the dimensions
20:33.43 thing0 but within 3d
20:33.51 thing0 not dependent on a 2d sketch
20:34.04 ``Erik I still can't beieve hallmark makes a "glad you're no longer a giant croc turd" card.
20:34.21 thing0 lol
20:34.26 thing0 but yeah
20:34.38 thing0 just so happy I am not in design/drafting for a living anymore
20:34.56 thing0 the tools just don't meet my requirements
20:35.06 thing0 to optimistic
20:35.07 thing0 :)
20:35.22 brlcad so you going to help develop said tools that provide said requirements? :)
20:36.02 thing0 brlcad: hehe
20:36.06 brlcad_Erik is the, uh, thing, uh, over? am I too late?
20:36.20 thing0 I always wanted to
20:36.30 thing0 I cannot believe how little time I have now
20:36.32 thing0 :(
20:36.44 thing0 working for two companies at the moment
20:36.48 thing0 which keep me flat out
20:36.50 brlcad_Erik I wish I had enough time to say I have little time :(
20:36.59 thing0 trying to get my life in order
20:37.08 thing0 so that I can do more stuff
20:37.16 thing0 but yeah
20:37.46 thing0 atm, working on a software project for the second company on a casual basis which usually eats up most of my weekend
20:37.59 thing0 need 9 days in a week
20:38.00 thing0 ;)
20:39.11 brlcad brlcad_Erik: it's over now, buh thx :)
20:39.24 ``Erik ah well
20:39.30 brlcad we only had one conflict to resolve, it was quick
20:39.37 ``Erik okie
20:39.52 ``Erik I remember one was handled earlier oob
20:40.08 thing0 "Without the CoCreate software," says Kolb, "we'd end up solving many of our problems with a welding torch. That's expensive and time-consuming."
20:40.20 thing0 we do that all the time at work
20:40.27 thing0 hehe
20:40.32 thing0 but yeah
20:40.37 thing0 client pays for there mistakes
20:40.38 thing0 hehe
20:40.55 brlcad but so much more fun
20:41.21 brlcad i suppose welding isn't fun when you do it every day though :)
20:41.37 thing0 hehe
20:41.47 thing0 I just give the command
20:41.51 thing0 and watch it happen
20:42.08 thing0 construction is fun
20:42.12 thing0 very challenging though
20:42.19 thing0 as the industry is turning to shit
20:42.28 thing0 clients are getting worse and worse
20:42.35 thing0 more dis-organised
20:42.45 thing0 no idea when it comes to procurment
20:42.47 brlcad nah, you're just getting older and wiser, more aware of the mess :)
20:43.24 thing0 lol
20:43.27 thing0 hehe
20:43.37 thing0 I love the challenge thoughj
20:43.41 thing0 plus
20:43.48 thing0 I seem to get away with alot of things
20:43.51 thing0 which is good
20:43.52 thing0 hehe
20:44.04 thing0 not in a bad way
20:44.05 thing0 more in the sense
20:44.09 thing0 data aquistions
20:44.18 thing0 I have setup a bit of a systems
20:44.33 thing0 by which I can obtain almost any information I seek from the client
20:44.39 thing0 without the client even knowing
20:44.41 thing0 hehe
20:44.56 thing0 all information only of course.... :)
20:45.03 thing0 not stealing it
20:45.17 brlcad theif!
20:45.19 thing0 people from within the client are giving away the information
20:45.39 brlcad right off the back of their truck, honest officer, they gave it to me
20:46.01 thing0 or there engineering department just give it too me, instead of waiting for document control
20:46.02 thing0 hehe
20:46.23 thing0 document control = 1 month delay
20:46.41 brlcad * control = # months delay
20:49.27 thing0 hehe
20:49.30 thing0 exactly
20:49.46 thing0 we have it under control though
20:49.58 thing0 just the industry is changing
20:50.40 thing0 but yeah
20:50.52 thing0 time to sort my todolist for the weekend
20:50.53 thing0 hehe
20:59.51 hippieindamakin8 hey brlcad and ``Erik
21:03.49 hippieindamakin8 so the meeting for today is over huh ? :)
21:12.04 brlcad quite
21:15.35 hippieindamakin8 so how was it ?
21:20.49 brlcad no problems
21:24.20 ``Erik hey, burley, monday 0830 ccb
21:25.47 ``Erik waits for an ack packet
21:26.01 brlcad ack
21:26.23 ``Erik ok, I'll let ed know you'll be there and prepared O.o 0830-1000 I assume in 250
21:26.45 brlcad i'll actually be in in a lil bit
21:28.11 ``Erik ok, but we might not be here :D
21:28.34 ``Erik and it's 200, not 250. Ed wants me to make sure you'll have the list of changes for that...
21:28.35 ``Erik :)
21:28.47 ``Erik doncha love the beaurocracy of it all?
21:28.49 hippieindamakin8 hey brlcad can we implement mouse based transformations of the geometry ? or does it support that ?
21:29.22 ``Erik sed, click edit, click the thing you want to change (rotate, translate, etc) and use the mouse...
21:29.25 hippieindamakin8 as in i want to select a point on the geometry and drag to another place
21:29.29 ``Erik then accept when you're done?
21:29.50 hippieindamakin8 and the body should deform to form a bulge
21:30.08 hippieindamakin8 smthing of the shape pf a speed breaker
21:30.09 ``Erik that'd require something like nurbs, which is being worked on, but not ready yet... :)
21:30.23 hippieindamakin8 splines will do that functionality
21:30.34 hippieindamakin8 ya :) NURBS
21:30.45 brlcad ``Erik: no problemo
21:31.03 brlcad hippieindamakin8: if by we you mean are contributions welcome for that .. sure :)
21:31.42 hippieindamakin8 i actually meant me :P
21:31.53 ``Erik well, contributions are welcome :D
21:32.14 hippieindamakin8 i shall do that once i get to know the tcl/tk better
21:32.34 brlcad you don't need to know tcl/tk to make that better
21:33.04 hippieindamakin8 got this idea when i was trying to solve this question on NURBS in my endsem paper.. which is take home
21:33.15 hippieindamakin8 i can implement the math rt now though
21:33.53 ``Erik I think my weekend just started. Hasta la pasta :)
21:34.12 hippieindamakin8 oh are u spanish ``Erik :)
21:35.47 hippieindamakin8 's friends are playing bzflag stating the reason as "experimenting with ogl" on the eve of the end semester :P
21:36.11 brlcad makes complete sense to me
21:36.26 hippieindamakin8 :)
21:37.57 PrezKennedy WEEKEND!!!
21:38.00 PrezKennedy runs!
21:38.52 hippieindamakin8 weekend is ruined by the stupic endsems
21:39.53 PrezKennedy not mine!
21:40.14 hippieindamakin8 :) mine though
21:40.22 CIA-12 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r30732 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/mged/xclone.tcl: xclone started in 2008
22:04.14 CIA-12 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r30733 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/tire.c: Still have a bug in tread somewhere - not fixed yet - uploading for further study.
22:04.31 thing0 brb
22:04.39 thing0 switching internet service :P
22:06.36 *** join/#brlcad thing1 (n=ric@203-59-26-22.perm.iinet.net.au)
22:06.51 thing1 and were back
22:06.52 thing1 hehe
22:10.33 brlcad they're spawning!
22:14.35 *** join/#brlcad andrecastelo (n=chatzill@189.71.9.148)
22:14.51 andrecastelo good evening folks
22:16.39 hippieindamakin8 hey andrecastelo
22:16.52 andrecastelo sup hippieindamakin8 :D
22:17.07 brlcad howdy andrecastelo, how are you
22:17.46 andrecastelo brlcad: i'm fine thanks, good to be finally home.. i was at the university until now
22:19.10 andrecastelo brb :D
22:29.17 andrecastelo ok, back :D
22:30.09 andrecastelo hey brlcad, did you see the center point patch ?
22:30.29 hippieindamakin8 brlcad, lh wants to get some suggestions about the opensource drawing software :)
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23:59.28 starseeker_home growls in frustration - it's gotta be something obvious...

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