IRC log for #brlcad on 20080421

02:21.24 brlcad wow, a branch merge that took over an hour
02:44.08 homovulgaris :P must have been some merge
02:47.22 brlcad yeah.. 50 fracking conflicts
02:47.37 brlcad ah 91
02:47.41 brlcad damnits
03:24.16 brlcad yukonbob: netbsd without a fmax? that's .. odd
03:55.51 CIA-20 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r30744 10/brlcad/trunk/sh/news2tracker.sh: need to be more exact on matching the revision number line. ran into a revision ID match in the body of one of the commit messages that referred to an sf tracker id.
04:20.05 CIA-20 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r30745 10/brlcad/trunk/sh/news2tracker.sh: properly quote the quotes
04:38.06 CIA-20 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r30746 10/brlcad/trunk/sh/tracker.sh: sourceforge continues to change the format slightly. match the category link specifically to avoid catching the earlier new javascript
05:36.33 yukonbob brlcad: re: fmax -- indeed -- I think Open may be in same boat...
05:49.35 brlcad tis really odd, because fmax is c99
05:49.40 brlcad gcc should be providing it
05:49.45 brlcad rather, libc
06:01.08 yukonbob -lm
06:02.35 brlcad er, yeah, that too
06:03.36 brlcad that makes me think it's maybe just missing a lib/header/something .. specially since it's c99
06:04.15 yukonbob math(3), on my NetBSD system, fmax(3) (specifically)on my FreeBSD (6.x) system, and also math(3) for the general, which includes fmax/fmin
06:05.34 yukonbob on Net, there's no ref to fmin/fmax in the math(3) page -- I'd be interested to know if Open is same (with same results)
06:10.53 yukonbob reposts msg to NetBSD geeks querying this issue
06:15.19 brlcad hey, if it works, it works :)
06:15.44 yukonbob it works now -- *and* I've got my first code commit :)
06:17.41 brlcad yup, woot woot :)
06:17.56 yukonbob is now experiencing issues w/ htester having undefined references to bu_exit, and htond, ntohd -- but not sure if it's my own fscking that's causing that -- is strange, though :P -- but that's for tomorrow (unless I get some clues or bright ideas and solve soon)
06:18.05 yukonbob w00t, indeed :)
06:18.34 brlcad sounds like libbu is missing
06:19.29 brlcad compile problem or link problem? compile would be header path, link would be linker flags
06:20.58 yukonbob compile
06:21.03 yukonbob will attack tmo :)
06:21.36 yukonbob I felt close to a working 7.12.x last night... I've since revised to optimism to "Real Soon Now".
06:21.39 yukonbob <PROTECTED>
06:21.42 yukonbob chat later
06:22.21 brlcad cya!
06:25.15 yukonbob btw -- response I get from one person for missing fmin/fmax on NetBSD is "c99 sucks"
06:25.20 yukonbob ;)
06:27.13 brlcad heh
06:43.44 CIA-20 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r30747 10/brlcad/trunk/sh/tracker.sh: indent mishap, don't insert a tab before the csv line
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08:11.59 brlcad moin moin daniel
08:15.16 d_rossberg moin moin
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09:37.41 mafm hi
11:50.11 brlcad howdy mafm!
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13:09.16 andrecastelo hi guys
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16:09.49 yukonbob morning cadheads
16:14.03 andrecastelo morning yukonbob
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16:51.41 hippieindamakin8 hey guys
17:15.07 homovulgaris hey hippie ;)
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17:42.31 mafm bye
17:46.24 prasad_ wassup
18:33.51 brlcad tick tick tick tock
18:36.54 alex_joni missing a couple tick's
18:37.59 brlcad 22 minutes and counting
18:46.05 alex_joni reminds me of an old joke.. "what goes 9999 times tick and once tock?"
18:47.38 ``Erik *readreadread*
18:47.58 ``Erik *compilecompilecompile*
18:50.46 brlcad alex_joni: a bomb
18:51.12 alex_joni nope.. a myriapoda with a wooden leg
19:10.49 prasad_ haha
19:12.38 prasad_ brlcad: looked into git?
19:13.11 brlcad prasad_: don't get me started
19:16.15 ``Erik pats his cvs and rcs
19:19.22 prasad_ o?
19:19.42 prasad_ enlighten me
19:20.25 alex_joni git<tab><tab>
19:20.36 alex_joni Display all 131 possibilities? (y or n)
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19:30.58 alex_joni that always struck me as an issue :)
19:46.12 brlcad hehe
19:47.25 brlcad prasad_: I really don't like talking about git, maybe another day -- just realize that there are several tradeoffs to consider, some critically important depending on the context
19:47.26 hippieindamakin8 congrats pacman87
19:47.54 hippieindamakin8 congrats mafm and andre castelo
19:48.30 prasad_ github's web 2.0 veneer is nifty
19:48.31 prasad_ :P
19:48.43 prasad_ so where are the results posted btw
19:49.22 pacman87 http://code.google.com/soc/2008/brl/about.html
19:49.30 pacman87 ty, hippieindamakin8
19:50.00 prasad_ jra mentoring eh
19:50.01 prasad_ :D
19:50.48 brlcad so yes, the announcements are final -- congratulations
19:51.22 brlcad as I've been saying, seriously .. thank you to everyone who submitted and has been involved throughout the application process
19:51.34 brlcad it really was a pretty tough choice to narrow down to just 4 slots
19:52.01 brlcad but we did have to draw the line eventually and weigh in many factors
19:54.02 brlcad hope you guys stick around and stay involved with the project, if you didn't make it this year I certainly hope you stay involved and consider applying next year .. one of our students that was rejected last year did just that and ended up being one of our top-selections this year
19:54.33 brlcad if anyone would like public or private feedback, I'd be glad to provide it
19:56.35 yukonbob contratulations GSoC-ers :)
19:56.48 ``Erik huzzah
19:57.29 prasad_ i should apply next year
20:00.45 brlcad but then you'd have to do work
20:01.08 prasad_ shit that's true
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20:19.44 poolio oooo gsocers :D
20:19.47 poolio congrats guys
20:20.43 poolio Wait, is there a John R. Anderson at ARL?
20:20.43 *** topic/#brlcad by brlcad -> BRL-CAD Open Source Solid Modeling || http://brlcad.org || http://sf.net/projects/brlcad || Channel logs at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23brlcad/ || BRL-CAD is participating in the 2008 Google Summer of Code, see http://brlcad.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code || GSoC student selections are announced! See http://code.google.com/soc/2008/brl/about.html
20:20.53 brlcad poolio: yup
20:20.57 brlcad john rocks
20:21.01 poolio Is he ... there now?
20:21.16 poolio My cogsci advisor is named john r. anderson, I'm guessing unrelated
20:21.31 brlcad he's on his way back from vacation down in daytona, but usually is around
20:25.48 prasad_ jra is my hero
20:27.46 CIA-20 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r30748 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libwdb/ (libwdb.3 wdb.c): Add mk_arb6 command to libwdb.
20:37.42 CIA-20 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r30749 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libwdb/ (libwdb.3 wdb.c): Add mk_arb5 and mk_arb7
20:42.33 CIA-20 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r30750 10/brlcad/trunk/include/wdb.h: Add header entries for new mk_arb commands
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20:44.47 andrecastelo heyeveryone ;DDD
20:45.16 brlcad hello andrecastelo :)
20:45.19 brlcad congratulations
20:45.47 andrecastelo thanks brlcad, i'm really excited lol
20:46.09 brlcad great!
20:46.18 brlcad looking forward to a great summer :)
20:46.27 andrecastelo i was studying at the university labs when the selections were announced
20:46.53 andrecastelo and couldn't join irc and talk to you guys rightaway..
20:47.09 brlcad you mean you were already too busy coding for brl-cad to join the channel ;)
20:47.53 andrecastelo yeah that's what i meant hehehe ;D
20:49.03 andrecastelo i g2g now, be back here in an hour :D
20:49.16 yukonbob "It seems that you've been living two lives. One life, you're john r. anderson, program writer for a respectable open source project. You have a social security number, pay your taxes, and you . . . help your landlady carry out her garbage. The other life is lived in computers, where you go by the hacker alias 'Neo' and are guilty of virtually every computer crime we have a law for. One of these lives has a future, and one of them does no
20:50.22 andrecastelo cya guys be back in a while :D :D
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21:03.40 hippieindamakin8 andrecastelo congrats :)
21:04.16 hippieindamakin8 so brlcad so this project is still free aint it ?
21:04.27 brlcad always is and will be
21:04.27 alex_joni how do you mean still?
21:04.40 brlcad open source ftw
21:04.43 hippieindamakin8 :)
21:04.47 yukonbob w00t
21:05.08 brlcad needs to stop saying ftw so much
21:05.12 brlcad less ftw, ftw!
21:05.23 alex_joni haha ftw
21:05.36 hippieindamakin8 cya guys.. time to get back to sleep :) shall keep interacting with u guys
21:05.57 yukonbob heh... /me thinks 'ftw' used to be a punk "fsck the world", and I also know it as a bicycle builder "Frank the Welder"
21:07.00 yukonbob http://www.frankthewelder.com/
21:21.26 CIA-20 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r30751 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/tire.c: Eliminate invalid arb8 face creation in tread.
21:22.12 ``Erik brlcad ftl :(
21:22.15 ``Erik :D
21:22.32 ``Erik /t i can has gsoc?
21:25.41 CIA-20 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r30752 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: added more wdb arb functions
21:26.36 ``Erik dave was asking about the big honkin' functab early :/ hope he doesn't try to muck with it too much
21:29.34 CIA-20 BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r30753 10/brlcad/trunk/src/rt/view.c: Mods to set the byte offsets of view_parse at run time. Windows can't handle initializing this struct with variables that live in a library.
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22:34.42 andrecastelo hi everyone :D
22:34.53 ``Erik greetings
22:35.20 andrecastelo hey ``Erik :D
22:37.04 andrecastelo ``Erik: so, how many students did you guys take ?
22:37.15 ``Erik 4
22:38.02 brlcad if you're all successful, maybe some of you can be mentors next year and we can accept more slots
22:38.13 ``Erik http://code.google.com/soc/2008/brl/about.html
22:38.14 brlcad and of course you better all be successful ...
22:38.16 brlcad shakes fist
22:38.22 brlcad :)
22:38.43 ``Erik yeah, brlcad benches like 3 fiats, don't make him punch holes through you O.o
22:40.02 andrecastelo is afraid
22:40.15 andrecastelo actually i'm quite happy, not afraid at all lol
22:40.57 andrecastelo seriously now, i'll do my best to complete the project
22:41.09 andrecastelo and i have good expectations for this winter/summer :D
22:41.52 ``Erik have you taken a good look around in src/rt ?
22:43.48 andrecastelo not a really detailed one.. i've seen how you shoot rays and how you deal with hits and such
22:44.30 andrecastelo also i had to look into it when i was writing the patch, have seen viewarea.c and those files that make up rtarea
22:45.10 andrecastelo next step is definitely getting familiar with src/rt code
22:47.22 andrecastelo ``Erik: anything in particular you want me to study ?
22:48.47 ``Erik probably how the lighting models work
22:49.40 andrecastelo hm ok
22:49.58 ``Erik photon mapping has a piece in rt as well as liboptical, and I think brlcad would like to see mlt all in src/rt/
22:50.35 andrecastelo alright
22:50.50 andrecastelo do you want me to set up a blog or something like it ?
22:58.47 brlcad andrecastelo: you should be looking in src/rt as well as src/adrt/rise
22:59.55 brlcad src/adrt/rise has a forward polygonal path-tracer (i.e. doesn't use librt, doesn't work with arbitrary/native brl-cad geometry) that might give some good insights
23:00.34 brlcad andrecastelo: I'll send out a note about reporting requirements, but you're welcome to set up a blog regardless ;)
23:02.22 andrecastelo brlcad: alright.. do you have any formal requirements regarding reports ?
23:02.47 andrecastelo and i'll take a look at src/adrt/rise, thanks for the tip
23:12.51 ``Erik hrm, adrt is radically different than librt and rise hasn't worked for a while... d'no if that'd be so great to look at too much
23:13.35 brlcad more for just algorithmic example of forward path tracing
23:13.53 brlcad not as a functional example
23:19.44 hippieindamakin8 hey andrecastelo congrats
23:20.04 andrecastelo hippieindamakin8: thanks man :D what about you ?
23:20.17 hippieindamakin8 mhmm no :)
23:20.41 andrecastelo hippieindamakin8: sorry to hear that :( did you apply to any other org ?
23:21.19 hippieindamakin8 no just this.. no problems i ll get more familiar with the distro and apply again :)

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