IRC log for #brlcad on 20080425

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00:16.49 thing0 hey yall
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00:39.28 brlcad that's a lot of things
00:43.05 starseeker_ anybody else seeing this build failure? make[3]: *** No rule to make target `../../../brlcad/include/brlcad_config.h', needed by `HOST'. Stop.
00:44.03 brlcad it'd be the change made earlier today
00:44.13 starseeker_ diffs
00:51.14 starseeker_ You mean changing the dnl message?? That can't be right...
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01:41.20 brlcad no..
01:44.21 andrecastelo good night guys
01:44.23 andrecastelo cya later
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01:53.34 CIA-20 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r30820 10/brlcad/trunk/include/conf/Makefile.am: deja-vu -- try using the top_builddir instead of top_srcdir for out-of-dir builds
01:54.02 thing0 blackbox on windows
01:54.04 thing0 ;)
01:54.06 thing0 happier now
01:54.07 thing0 hehe
01:55.27 starseeker_ good catch - thanks brlcad
01:55.57 starseeker_ supposes he should quit being an oddball and build in src...
02:26.58 brlcad starseeker: not really a good catch - not even clear that it fixes the problem. if the build suddenly breaks, you should look at recent changes/commits (which you could/should be paying attention to regardless..) to see what might be the cause for a given error
02:27.17 brlcad building out of dir is useful for catching build issues
02:27.55 brlcad in this particular case, though, it could just as easily be both top_srcdir and top_builddir
02:27.55 brlcad meaning another solution needs to be found
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04:55.58 brlcad painstakingly finishes importing and updating most of the wiki help pages
04:56.51 yukonbob passes brlcad a tasty beverage...
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05:49.54 brlcad FYI: http://brlcad.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Expectations and http://brlcad.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Checklist
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06:18.28 brlcad http://brlcad.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/2008
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08:05.57 yukonbob hey clock_
08:06.22 yukonbob re: "procdural grass" in gallery -- can anybody tell me a bit about those renderings?
08:06.52 yukonbob *"procedural grass"
08:11.46 clock_ yukonbob: hey
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11:45.15 starseeker_ scrolls back, sees he somehow didn't spot the earlier Makefile.am commit, and turns mildly red...
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11:59.35 andrecastelo good morning :D
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12:02.49 hippieindamakin8 hey yukonbob
12:04.34 andrecastelo hey hippieindamakin8
12:04.55 hippieindamakin8 hey andrecastelo hows it going ?
12:05.13 andrecastelo i'm fine, you ? :D
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13:21.42 ``Erik EVERYBODY DANCE!
13:24.32 clock_ "In 2005 the Italian authorities had issued warrants for the arrest of 22 agents of the US Central Intelligence Agency in connection with the abduction.
13:24.35 clock_ "
13:24.55 clock_ Hmm so whose government sponsors terrorism here?
13:25.26 clock_ I think Bush should visit Guantanamo for this and have some waterboarding
13:28.13 ``Erik http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/M35A2-6X6-MILITARY-TRUCK_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ80765QQihZ003QQitemZ130215375180QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW
13:28.20 ``Erik db/m35.g seems a little... crude :D
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13:35.22 starseeker ``Erik - so how long will it take you to fix it? ;-)
13:35.51 ``Erik I d'no, how long will it take you to update the stuff so I can go tell everyone it's fixed? :D
13:36.06 starseeker heh
13:36.49 starseeker there must be an old m35 on display around here somewhere
13:43.45 clock_ do you use m35s instead of the Utah Teapot?
14:01.31 ``Erik does :)
14:01.54 ``Erik takes a while to heat the water up, needs LOTS of tea bags, but one will last a whole da
14:01.56 ``Erik day
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14:09.38 starseeker wades into rt looking to add -k to other lighting models
14:11.37 ``Erik other lighting models, or other front ends?
14:11.50 ``Erik rtedge would benefit from it, I'd imagine, but could be... tricky O.o :D
14:17.22 starseeker surface normals was my first target
14:18.19 starseeker heh - somehow "I'm going to go make an M35 of tea now" just doesn't have the same ring
14:19.09 ``Erik yeah, but just imagine a bunch of guys standing around going "CHUG! CHUG! CHUG!"
14:25.41 starseeker hmm - a lot of the cutting plane logic for -k seems to be in colorview and view_init...
14:26.33 hippieindamakin8 andrecastelo, almost done with my endsemester exams. :) trying to model some stuff rt now :)
14:36.37 starseeker 's first guess is that there needs to be come sort of "common" prep for all lighting models, rather than just in colorview...
14:40.40 ``Erik boogies to 80's pop
14:40.55 ``Erik had to backspace to change 'poop' to 'pop' O.o hehehe
14:46.02 clock_ Mika, The New Queen of Poop?
14:47.20 ``Erik heh, was "til tuesday", actually :D random shuffle, pheer
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15:42.34 starseeker OK, hmm - adding the ap->a_hit = colorview line to the light model #2 prep didn't change anything, for good or bad.
15:42.40 starseeker must dig deeper...
15:56.53 starseeker successfully breaks surface normals...
15:57.24 ``Erik sweet, we can put "support for surface abnormals" int he news file D:
15:57.25 ``Erik :D
16:00.10 clock_ surface abnormals?
16:00.23 clock_ oh it's like the normals are deviated, haha :)
16:00.49 starseeker thinks he knows what is going on, just not sure yet how to fix it...
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16:01.35 ``Erik pheer my stupid puns ;D
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16:21.57 andrecastelo folks, gtg
16:21.58 andrecastelo cya laer
16:22.00 andrecastelo later*
16:22.02 andrecastelo :D
16:22.14 CIA-20 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r30821 10/brlcad/trunk/src/rt/view.c: Enable -k flag with surface normal lighting
16:24.02 starseeker Woooooooot
16:24.32 starseeker might have fixed global illumination too, if it was busted before - not sure. Checked now and working
16:24.41 starseeker As for rtedge...
16:24.51 starseeker Crud
16:24.55 starseeker not working yet
16:25.29 ``Erik hehehe
16:25.50 starseeker isn't even sure it can process the k option
16:26.04 starseeker doesn't show up in the help
16:26.48 starseeker not sure whether to class -k support in rtedge not being there as a bug or a feature request
16:27.14 ``Erik meh, classify is as a TODO entry :D
16:28.16 starseeker ``Erik is that fix worth a news line?
16:28.38 ``Erik uhmmmmm, probably?
16:28.51 starseeker will assume it is and can fix later if need be...
16:29.24 CIA-20 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r30822 10/brlcad/trunk/ (BUGS NEWS): update BUGS and NEWS files for -k surface normals fix
16:29.29 ``Erik <-- lets brlcad handle that, throws stuff in as a rough draft and stands back to see if it gets struck or reworded :)
16:33.24 CIA-20 BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r30823 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: add a couple things I plan on doing
16:34.56 ``Erik wonders if should have left "totally flip out like a ninja and kill everyone" out of that commit
16:36.58 ``Erik (pheer http://www.realultimatepower.net/ )
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17:08.13 CIA-20 BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r30824 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/g_metaball.c: Gort! Metaball Barata Nikto!
17:35.56 MinuteElectron oops
17:36.02 MinuteElectron i promised to look at recpatcha
17:36.04 MinuteElectron but forgot
17:36.08 MinuteElectron now seams like a good tiem
17:42.47 starseeker awards ``Erik the least informative commit message of the year award...
17:43.53 starseeker unless metaballs need to be stoped from destroying the world one laser blast at a time...
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18:03.42 MinuteElectron well that didn't get anywhere...
18:04.11 ``Erik well, actually, yeah
18:04.22 ``Erik that's exactly what needs to happen
18:04.24 ``Erik ...
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19:12.37 PrezzKennedy takes a gov't lunchbreak
19:12.46 PrezzKennedy won't be back til next Thursday
19:19.50 ``Erik O.o
19:20.09 ``Erik pulls up the reg's to see if he'd been reading the wrong lunch break duration
19:29.09 PrezzKennedy you're right!
19:29.14 PrezzKennedy won't be back until Friday
19:33.22 yukonbob morning cadheads
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19:57.53 CIA-20 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r30825 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/ (tire.1 tire.c): Add first cut at different tire extrusion - use tire -t 1 and tire -t 2 to see the differences.
20:16.19 ``Erik 185/60r18
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20:55.03 ``Erik so, uh
20:55.06 ``Erik this one time, at band camp
21:01.54 brlcad MinuteElectron: any insights?
21:02.04 brlcad did you see the double-verify it's doing?
21:02.42 brlcad starseeker: awesome -- was that just copied from the other section for the default lighting mode?
21:02.52 starseeker almost
21:03.13 starseeker There were a couple of commands pertaining to setting normals that needed to be added
21:03.35 starseeker got a really... odd render on the first attempt :-)
21:04.48 brlcad commands?
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21:05.07 starseeker setting of normals, I believe
21:05.16 starseeker it's almost a straight copy
21:05.24 brlcad what i'm getting at is that I was wondering if the two sections could be combined
21:05.29 brlcad into a function that they just both call
21:05.32 starseeker Ah.
21:05.39 brlcad since there are 6 other lighting modes :)
21:05.47 MinuteElectron brlcad: no, I spent about half an hour poking about it; but i don't see any reason it's not working. i think there's somethign wrong with the drupal installation, somewhere along the lines things started to get mucked up.
21:05.49 brlcad and things like rtedge
21:06.33 starseeker possibly - there are two different "prep" commands for different lighting modes
21:07.01 brlcad MinuteElectron: really? what makes you think it's the drupal install -- I would guess first just a bug either in drupal or in their captcha plugin
21:07.07 brlcad and more likely the latter
21:07.45 starseeker light model 0 calls colorview, and apparently surface normals uses viewit
21:08.02 brlcad MinuteElectron: hm, in fact that gives me an idea of something else to try -- only using recaptcha instead of allowing the default captcha .. didn't think to try that earlier but that could help pinpoint things
21:08.05 starseeker Ah - I need to add a couple RT_HIT_NORMAL calls to the viewit version
21:09.40 starseeker from what ``Erik said, rtedge is kind of its own beast
21:10.03 ``Erik viewedge.c, yo
21:10.15 MinuteElectron brlcad: ok, tell me if you have any luck
21:10.15 starseeker is looking at now
21:13.31 brlcad starseeker: it is, there are view*.c files for each of the raytrace apps
21:13.39 brlcad that's their entire guts for the most part
21:13.51 brlcad so the hooks are *very* similar to get into everyone
21:13.55 brlcad MinuteElectron: will do
21:15.22 starseeker finds handle_main_ray
21:15.31 starseeker erm...
21:16.04 brlcad don't go by names, have to go by the logic flow
21:16.17 ``Erik viewedge.c is extra special cuz I did horrible things in it :D
21:20.46 starseeker will have to dig a little deeper to figure out where the cutting plane logic should go in rtedge's code
21:30.00 starseeker Hmm - lighting modes 4,5 and 6 segfault with the -k option
21:30.06 ``Erik awesome
21:30.14 ``Erik wanders home for dinner, beer and scifi
21:30.22 starseeker is headed that way too
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22:19.53 ``Erik ahhhhh
22:22.05 ``Erik fix your busted arsed tires yet? :D
22:23.02 ``Erik fixed yet, even
22:23.32 ``Erik amusing that my guessed one just had a tiny sliver of overlap :)
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23:00.24 andrecastelo good evening folks
23:00.29 ``Erik howdy
23:01.39 andrecastelo hey ``Erik
23:02.55 ``Erik how's it going?
23:06.47 andrecastelo i'm fine, you ?
23:07.41 ``Erik chugging along, happy it's weekend O.o
23:07.46 andrecastelo me too :D
23:07.57 andrecastelo though i sill have end semester exams next week
23:08.19 andrecastelo but on a related note, should we set up some communication schedule for gsoc ?
23:08.41 ``Erik uhm, up to you, I assume you'll be asking loads of questions and sending patches
23:09.15 ``Erik and I'm on irc pretty much all the time, read the backlog, just tend to ignore it over the weekend (and catch up monday or tuesday)
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23:10.08 andrecastelo so i guess there will be no problem, i'm on irc pretty much whenever i'm at home (which is practically 75% of the time)
23:11.01 ``Erik *shrug* I'm all up for just playing it by ear and if someone isn't terribly happy, then we can figure out if we need a formalized schedule of any form
23:11.36 ``Erik so have you made a decision about having some kind of blog or wiki status page yet?
23:16.18 andrecastelo ``Erik: i think i'll create a blog to report progress
23:16.38 ``Erik cool
23:16.38 andrecastelo any problem ?
23:16.45 ``Erik nope? just curious :)
23:16.49 andrecastelo hm ok :D
23:17.05 andrecastelo i did migrate my proposal to the wiki as a design document, though
23:18.17 ``Erik yeah, saw it
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23:38.33 ``Erik damnit, screwed up my cvs roots somehow
23:52.58 ``Erik *snrkt* http://www.collegehumor.com/picture:1802197

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