IRC log for #brlcad on 20080512

05:29.48 CIA-21 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r31056 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/mirror.c: synopsis is implied first line with doxygen comments
06:07.41 CIA-21 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r31057 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/ (log.c mirror.c): with the cleanup, move the doxygen comments into the public interface header where they belong instead of in the sources. make argv an array of pointers like main()
06:09.38 CIA-21 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r31058 10/brlcad/trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs): convert the wmater command as another test case, moving it from mged up into libged as ged_wmater(). still lots of room for improvement.
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13:09.35 brlcad morning homovulgaris
13:10.26 archivist hehe what a nick
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13:19.31 homovulgaris hi everybody :)
13:20.36 homovulgaris hi sean, i had got a mail from john.. :) military contractor sounds so spy-moviesque :)
13:20.46 homovulgaris over the next 2 or 3 days i will wrap up the root solver test cases for the modification.
13:21.15 homovulgaris finalizing the libpg system would obviously take most of this month i guess ?
13:22.15 brlcad i doubt it'll be "finalized" really, but probably enough to get started ;)
13:22.41 homovulgaris yeah :) thought as much ;)
13:23.01 homovulgaris last 2 days i have been translating my thesis model which i made in CATIA into .g via iges :)
13:23.36 brlcad I still have questions/comments about how it integrates with librt, but I have to reread your latest writeup
13:24.05 homovulgaris yeah.. in fact i need to edit it myself ..
13:24.07 brlcad what kind of iges conversion?
13:24.12 homovulgaris i will modify it and u can go over that tomorrow
13:24.22 brlcad polygonal or nurbs surfaced?
13:24.25 brlcad okay
13:24.26 homovulgaris iges-g
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13:24.34 brlcad yeah, but which mode
13:24.34 homovulgaris nurbs surfaced
13:24.38 brlcad okay
13:25.12 brlcad it'll render but that's rather experimental / unstable code, lots of issues
13:25.32 brlcad the old nurbs code falls flat on a lot of cases (as does the new nurbs code for that matter) :)
13:25.45 homovulgaris yeah.. only got parts of my model
13:26.05 homovulgaris i was playing with other options of iges-g
13:26.19 homovulgaris i'll update the wiki and send a mail to the developer list
13:27.35 brlcad cool
13:28.50 homovulgaris i was also reading the documentation trying to model ;) kind of a methodological change opposed to CATIA :)
13:29.07 homovulgaris or even the more mouse-on approach of other modelers ;)
13:30.03 brlcad quite
13:30.32 brlcad something that is slowly being changed, but not until we have full hybrid representation support, brep in particular
13:31.37 brlcad part of mafm's project is the start at a new gui that changes some of the fundamental methodologies that mged uses
13:32.15 brlcad not so tightly coupled modalities
13:33.14 homovulgaris yeah i read his synopsis at soc site
13:33.23 homovulgaris new gui would be cool..
13:33.43 homovulgaris one of my friends tried using brl-cad and couldnt figure out much ;)
13:33.53 homovulgaris we are not so high on user-friendliness :)
13:33.54 brlcad there's no "figuring out" with mged
13:34.08 brlcad you HAVE to go through the tutorials and training just to understand the basics
13:34.12 homovulgaris :D
13:34.35 homovulgaris true :)
13:34.43 brlcad i mean it's quite powerful once you do, expert brl-cad modelers are pretty much on par with other cad systems but the learning curve is huge
13:35.40 homovulgaris is there a repository of some of the models and works done in brl-cad ?
13:35.42 brlcad there's a lot of power "under the hood" too that not even mged exposes sometimes, that are in other outboard tools
13:35.59 brlcad only the same geometry databases in db/
13:36.05 brlcad s/same/sample/
13:36.24 homovulgaris hmm..
13:36.27 brlcad or rather .. there is a repository, a big one
13:36.30 brlcad but not one you can get at
13:36.52 homovulgaris :) thought so ;)
13:37.16 brlcad there's a model for just about any modern military asset of significance
13:37.46 brlcad hundreds in detail down to the wire
13:38.07 homovulgaris can imagine :)
13:39.06 brlcad the havoc helicopter is available though, that one is in db/
13:46.29 homovulgaris yeah that looks pretty kewl indeed :)
13:49.53 homovulgaris what about the snapshot at sourceforge .. that is one good render ;)
13:49.55 homovulgaris stryker icw
13:50.33 homovulgaris stryker icv
14:05.15 brlcad that's using the adrt path tracer (src/adrt)
14:05.36 brlcad but no, the model's not available :)
14:05.46 ``Erik src/adrt/rise actually, which very much doesn't work right now O:-)
14:08.01 starseeker_ There are a couple other models here: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?atid=641557&group_id=105292&func=browse but nothing earth shattering
14:23.45 Maloeran The havoc model seemed to break when I tried to triangulate it with asc2g and extract the triangles long ago, some parts were missing I think
14:25.33 CIA-21 BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r31059 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/rmater.c: Imported from MGED.
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15:16.44 andrecastelo hey guys, morning :D
15:20.04 ``Erik howdy
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15:29.31 docelic Hey folks, you know what's MIPSPro's equivalent of -rdynamic?
16:02.23 CIA-21 BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r31060 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/win32-msvc8/libged/libged.vcproj: Added rmater.c and wmater.c
16:02.23 CIA-21 BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r31061 10/brlcad/trunk/include/ged.h: Added declaration for get_rmater.
16:18.49 andrecastelo ``Erik: i sent a patch this weekend, don't know if it's good ;)
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17:14.36 yukonbob morning, cadheads
18:00.44 ``Erik hrm
18:04.58 starseeker hrm?
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18:08.58 Russ_W_ I just installed the .deb for ubuntu but I don't see how to start brl-cad. What do you type or click to start brl-cad?
18:12.35 starseeker BRL-CAD has a lot of tools - you probably want to start with mged
18:14.45 louipc that question needs to be put in an FAQ or something
18:19.08 CIA-21 BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r31065 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/ (log.c mirror.c rmater.c wmater.c): Simplify the arg handling logic a bit.
18:20.05 brlcad howdy Russ_W_, run /usr/brlcad/bin/mged
18:20.07 brlcad louipc: indeed
18:21.09 yukonbob louipc: wiki it up :)
18:21.39 CIA-21 BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r31066 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/item.c: Imported from MGED.
18:22.03 yukonbob thinks BRL-CAD should install a kernel hack that displays a [START] button on the screen, specifically for mged
18:23.26 CIA-21 BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r31067 10/brlcad/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): MGED's item command moved to libged.
18:24.02 yukonbob [Start->mged] [Start->Shutdown] [Start->http://www.google.ca?query=wtf%20how%20do%20I%20draw%20a%20tank]
18:24.05 brlcad yukonbob: a simple terminal interface that would be preconfigured for brl-cad tools and have buttons for mged and others is on the todo ;)
18:24.23 yukonbob !really
18:24.27 yukonbob was obviously joking...
18:24.41 brlcad so it would be a double-clickable item that could be installed
18:24.44 yukonbob brlcad: via curses, or TBD?
18:24.52 brlcad knows, but there's some merit to some of the idea ;)
18:25.03 brlcad ideally a full-fledged terminal
18:25.07 yukonbob "The truest thruths are said in jest"
18:25.12 louipc hmm does that captcha on the wiki require javascript
18:25.19 yukonbob louipc: yup
18:25.19 brlcad I played with one in Tcl and other using pdksh with a custom terminal
18:25.27 louipc oh heh
18:25.30 CIA-21 BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r31068 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/ (CMakeLists.txt Makefile.am): MGED's item command moved to libged.
18:25.31 brlcad the issue I ran into was how to neatly get a pstty on windows
18:25.41 brlcad s/pstty/ptty/
18:25.43 yukonbob nods
18:26.16 yukonbob wouldn't think Tcl is actually well suited for a screen-oriented display -- unless it's a scrolling (ie: non-addressable) menu
18:26.17 brlcad the tcl approach kinda works around that problem, but gives me no termio controls without extra effort
18:26.59 yukonbob :)
18:26.59 brlcad basically a tcl/tk terminal applicaitons
18:27.07 brlcad and in that, I'd run something like pdksh
18:29.17 brlcad have it preconfigure the PATH, MANPATH, and LD_LIBRARY_PATH (if needed) so everything just works
18:29.40 brlcad add in some buttons on the gui for fast-access to mged, archer, rtwizard, bwish, etc
18:34.54 louipc FAQ item added
18:46.42 brlcad cool
19:07.18 CIA-21 BRL-CAD: 03louipc * r31069 10/brlcad/trunk/INSTALL:
19:07.18 CIA-21 BRL-CAD: Fix a couple of typos. Put TOC in correct order.
19:07.18 CIA-21 BRL-CAD: Add header for Post-Installation section.
19:41.15 CIA-21 BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r31070 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/wdb_obj.c: Added entries for the item and rmater commands.
21:33.43 CIA-21 BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r31071 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/mged.h: Minor formatting.
22:01.59 pacman87 woohoo, done with finals
22:02.30 pacman87 i'll be back tomorrow, moving back home tonight
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22:19.18 LetterRip anyone know of software related to process simulations that is under an open license? ie simulation of tanks, instrumentation for detecting levels, valves, etc
22:20.45 LetterRip wait think i've found one
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22:54.51 brlcad heh
22:55.05 brlcad ooh, neat .. dual cloaks
23:02.32 PrezKennedy so he finds it and then doesnt even say what it is...
23:15.49 brlcad "BZFlag"

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