IRC log for #brlcad on 20080620

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00:38.31 andrecastelo hey ``Erik, are you there?
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00:54.41 andrecastelo brlcad: are you there?
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01:31.47 andrecastelo hey brlcad I'll need to be out of town for the next 10 or so days, I'll be back by 29th june
01:46.36 PrezKennedy we got ourselves a runaway!!
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02:16.44 brlcad yowsa!
02:17.06 brlcad that's not much of a short notice unless I'm forgetting him mentioning it earlier, hopefully he told erik
02:18.41 brlcad homovulgaris: it was a variety of changes including ws, header fixes, and removal of using
02:18.53 brlcad you can reapply my changes using svn merge
02:19.26 brlcad merge the revisions I applied (fortunatly they were all together so you can just give the range)
02:24.03 poolio brlcad: any way to get all vertices in an NMG? I'm about to write a nasty hack to mark which vertices i've already added to the brep but was hoping there was an easier way
02:27.46 brlcad poolio: nmg_visit(), set the vis_vertex callback
02:28.31 brlcad (iirc)
02:40.12 CIA-22 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r31499 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: annotate that Timothy Van Ruitenbeek fixed a bug in the ehy primitive where it's curve() callback was inexplicably clobbering the computed curvature value. he clobbered the clobbering.
02:40.31 pacman87 :)
02:50.08 CIA-22 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r31500 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: for format compatibility, rtarea needs to have the cpa values in their own section otherwise it's going to break some other tools that parse the output. (the cpa values are also coincidentally wrong atm)
04:08.01 yukonbob hello, cadheads
04:08.40 pacman87 howdy, yukonbob
04:08.47 poolio ahoy yukonbob, pacman87
04:08.57 yukonbob hey, it's a party
04:23.35 CIA-22 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r31501 10/brlcad/trunk/HACKING:
04:23.35 CIA-22 BRL-CAD: prompted by sf bug report 1998145 by tom browder, document a standardized naming
04:23.35 CIA-22 BRL-CAD: scheme for source and binary releases so that our filenames can be more
04:23.35 CIA-22 BRL-CAD: consistent. Basically, still use brlcad-version.extension for source
04:23.35 CIA-22 BRL-CAD: distributions, but consistently using
04:23.38 CIA-22 BRL-CAD: BRL-CAD_version[_optional_other_stuff].extension for binary releases.
04:23.48 brlcad howdy yukonbob
04:24.22 yukonbob hey brlcad -- how's it going?
04:26.26 brlcad pretty good
04:26.39 brlcad really looking forward to a nice long weekend of coding
04:27.15 brlcad has been distracted away from attending to his code gardens
04:27.32 yukonbob tries to decipher that last sentence.
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04:37.34 yukonbob has a few projects that need attention too...
04:38.14 yukonbob gets ready to hit hay -- this week has been too busy :P
04:41.08 brlcad cya through the ethermorning
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04:45.24 pacman87 so apparently my gfx card doesn't like being underclocked
04:48.00 CIA-22 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r31502 10/brlcad/trunk/ (7 files in 3 dirs):
04:48.00 CIA-22 BRL-CAD: make the binary build targets conform to the newly documented filename
04:48.00 CIA-22 BRL-CAD: convention of using BRL-CAD_ for the prefix instead of BRL-CAD- which lets us
04:48.00 CIA-22 BRL-CAD: drop the .bin extension convention. (source dists use lower, binaries use upper)
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09:53.49 mafm 'lo
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10:43.32 mafm brlcad: I keep having problems with the mime types :(
11:07.05 d_rossberg mafm: what kind of problems?
11:08.19 mafm I have to commit whole OGRE source, and it gives many failures, and the roundtrip is quite high
11:08.45 mafm and then sometimes it gives strange errors like .sh not being accepted as application/x-sh
11:09.29 mafm because of some binary properties, I can't recall the exact error now
11:10.41 d_rossberg i would recommend text/x-sh as mime type for the shell scripts
11:11.23 d_rossberg the is what brlcad did in the brlcad trunk
11:11.28 mafm well, that's what I tried, but it gives an error... I'll show you after this rountrip finishes
11:12.25 d_rossberg you probable need the svn:eol-style native too
11:16.05 mafm svn: File 'ogre/SDK/Win32/prepsdkbuild.sh' has binary mime type property
11:18.18 d_rossberg ... maybe i have to check out this to see ...
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11:21.40 mafm I think that it's that I have to *remove* the eol-style property, not being a text/*
11:22.55 d_rossberg i don't think so, a shell script isn't binary, so could you remove the binary property?
11:23.15 mafm well, probably being application/* considers it a binary file
11:23.35 d_rossberg BTW: the ogre isn't in the brlcad repository yet (?)
11:23.43 mafm images and the rest of applications don't have end-of-line
11:24.25 mafm and mime-types are a bit inconsistent anyway: it's application/x-sh, but text/x-python...
11:24.28 mafm nope it's not
11:25.00 d_rossberg the shell scripts in brlcad's main trunk are all text/x-sh
11:25.13 mafm text? hmm
11:25.16 d_rossberg therefore this should work (and be ok too)
11:25.33 d_rossberg yes: text/x-sh
11:25.51 d_rossberg with svn:eol-style: native
11:26.21 brlcad yeah, shouldn't use application/ for anything
11:26.26 brlcad binary types won't diff
11:26.37 mafm application/x-sh sh
11:26.44 mafm application/x-shellscript
11:26.51 brlcad if you can read it with a text editor, it should be text/something
11:26.51 mafm text/x-sh sh
11:27.07 mafm right, I was using the 1st one
11:27.11 brlcad mafm: to svn application/* means handle the fine as binary
11:27.19 brlcad s/fine/file/
11:27.39 mafm I see
11:28.51 brlcad should really only be using mime types text/* unless it's known image/video data
11:29.33 mafm there are lots of crap in here really
11:30.48 mafm rtf, in example
11:32.47 mafm suo, which no idea of what means
11:33.04 d_rossberg what's the problem with rtf? this is a simple text file too
11:36.20 mafm text or application? it has both again
11:36.37 brlcad 07:26 <@brlcad> if you can read it with a text editor, it should be text/something
11:36.46 brlcad text/plain if you don't know
11:36.54 brlcad or as a reasonable default
11:37.25 mafm never read a RTF since I was in windows, I think :)
11:37.51 mafm what about DDS? is there a default image binary type, like octect-stream for applications?
11:41.25 brlcad yeah, just use application/octet-stream
11:42.57 mafm .xcf (GIMP native format) is application/x-xcf? I have that one in my mime-types, but I think that it should be image/
11:43.21 mafm and in google I can find image/xcf
11:43.56 brlcad all of the x- types are basically made up
11:44.09 brlcad no different than just using application/octet-stream
11:44.10 clock_ application/x-another-obscure-x-type
11:44.52 clock_ or application/x-put-the-name-of-your-favourite-proprietary-windows-program-here
11:45.54 mafm meh
11:46.51 brlcad mafm: basically/especially for all of the src/other codes, if you don't know it or see it, just stick to text/plain and application/octet-stream (preferring text/plain unless you can't read it with a text editor)
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12:39.26 starseeker mafm: I would suggest commiting it in pieces to reduce the roundtrip time, if you're still working on mime issues (unless brlcad wants OGRE uploaded as a unit)
12:53.36 starseeker wow - the tex mged manual is over 250 pages
12:53.37 brlcad mostly just important to have a clear revision before patches are applied
12:54.17 starseeker makes pdf and txt versions so he can use it at work...
12:59.39 starseeker flinches at the size of the png images for volII
13:00.23 starseeker brlcad: Maybe it would be a better idea to have the docbook live in its own tree rather than inside the brlcad tree?
13:06.39 mafm I think that it would be better to commit in one chunk
13:07.27 mafm and there are no clear ways to separate the files anyway
13:07.27 mafm they're spead evenly through the code
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13:23.12 brlcad thinks mafm might like to learn how to use 'find'
13:24.52 brlcad example: find . -name \*.rtf -exec svn propset svn:mime-type text/plain {} \;
13:25.11 brlcad or: find . -name \*.rtf -exec svn propset svn:mime-type text/plain {} \; -exec svn propset svn:eol-style native {} \; to set both at the same time
13:25.33 brlcad i.e. that finds rtf files in the current subdir recursively applying the mime-types
13:26.10 brlcad other variations, find . -name whatever -not -regex '.*svn.*' ... to ignore the svn dir contents
13:30.39 mafm yes, I know, I already do that
13:35.39 mafm the thing is that there are dozens of different extensions, many of them completely custom or unknown to me at the very least
13:35.48 mafm 800+ files to go now :)
13:39.20 mafm application/x-msdos-program com exe bat dll
13:39.29 mafm bat should be text/plain or this?
13:40.20 mafm I know of the viewable-in-your-editor, but it's the only entry which applies
13:50.24 prasad1 arrrr
14:15.59 brlcad text/plain
14:16.39 brlcad mafm: eh, you're not using the sample subversion config file?
14:17.05 brlcad that has bat, com, exe, dll, ...
14:18.03 mafm I copied many entries, but I think that I commented most of them because it was causing me some problem
14:18.23 brlcad oookay..
14:18.26 mafm you know... things like CEGUI have totally made up filename extensions
14:18.35 mafm .font, .config, .scheme....
14:18.41 mafm .layout
14:18.46 mafm all of them being XML files
14:19.39 mafm and Ogre includes dozens of things like that: .def, .fontdef, nsh, nsi, .program, .material, ms, ....
14:20.02 mafm some of them being text, other xml, other binary, sometimes with proper extension :)
14:21.07 brlcad nsi also in the list :)
14:21.29 mafm but my favourites are: ogre/Docs/src/MaterialScriptCopy.inc
14:21.38 mafm ogre/Docs/src/sm-redesign/sm-redesign/cpp_includes
14:21.48 mafm ogre/Docs/src/umldocs/128095
14:22.01 brlcad nods, not unheard of
14:22.10 mafm ogre/Mac/Samples/plist/CelShading-Info.plist
14:22.14 brlcad i prefer to keep them as .c for includes myself
14:22.32 brlcad plist is a standard file format
14:23.32 mafm I guess that for Mac only?
14:24.38 brlcad yeah, Mac OS X specific
14:30.57 mafm you have it defined without eol-style
14:31.13 mafm and as text/plain
14:36.02 brlcad I think that was because it depended on what the project intent was
14:36.42 brlcad should be native for most
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14:55.15 CIA-22 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r31504 10/brlcad/trunk/ (AUTHORS src/other/openNURBS/opennurbs_light.h):
14:55.15 CIA-22 BRL-CAD: apply tom browder's sf patch 1998134 (Eliminate Warnings from g++ for
14:55.15 CIA-22 BRL-CAD: opennurbs_light.h) even though we usually leave src/other alone. it's his first
14:55.15 CIA-22 BRL-CAD: patch. thank him in authorship anyways as he's had several other interactions
14:55.15 CIA-22 BRL-CAD: filing bug reports and feature requests.
15:01.46 brlcad howdy pacman87 !
15:01.54 pacman87 hi brlcad
15:02.09 brlcad does a happy weekend dance
15:03.29 CIA-22 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r31505 10/brlcad/trunk/AUTHORS: tom's full name
15:07.23 mafm does a sleepy after-lunch danczzzzzzz zzz zzzzzzzz
15:12.30 mafm yay, 30 files to go
15:33.43 brlcad yay
15:39.36 brlcad notes that today is day 26 of 85 for GSoC .. this weekend will be 1/3rd through
15:40.50 prasad1 dicaprio starring in atari movie as nolan bushnell
15:41.47 poolio brlcad: it's not the weekend yet :P
15:48.04 CIA-22 BRL-CAD: 03mafm * r31506 10/rt^3/trunk/src/other/ogre/ (3176 files in 492 dirs): Commiting OGRE from upstream trunk r7565, no patches needed
15:49.25 brlcad woot
15:49.28 brlcad ~mafm++
15:59.37 mafm lol
16:04.33 mafm 39 minutes to commit
16:04.34 mafm not bad
16:04.54 brlcad heh, nice
16:05.25 brlcad updates
16:16.40 mafm With mocha, only two patches (that I got from a RPM file) are needed
16:17.04 mafm including a header and forward declarating templates or something like that
16:17.23 mafm and then I wrote a pkg-config file that I put directly into the destination
16:18.51 mafm now, what occurs to me is that I could add the patches, my file; and add a script to apply the patches before compiling it, and copying the file directly after that
16:18.59 mafm does it sound ok?
16:19.12 mafm (with RBGui the situation is more or less the same)
16:20.35 brlcad hm
16:21.00 brlcad well, that'd certainly be one way
16:21.11 brlcad if that's what you want to do, go for it
16:21.29 brlcad I'd probably just apply the changes myself, but it's no more or less effort I think
16:21.55 brlcad rather less immedate, but you have to re-find the patch later and reapply if there's an update, so it evens out
16:22.07 brlcad vs making a script that continues to work through updates
16:23.11 mafm I see
16:23.28 mafm I thought that you wanted to have the patches separated
16:23.50 mafm indeed applying directly is less cumbersome for maintenance
16:25.28 brlcad nope
16:25.35 brlcad separate commits
16:25.37 brlcad yes
16:25.50 brlcad but doesn't need to be preserved as a separate file
16:26.33 brlcad we can regenerate the patch if we can find the revisions in the svn log for before/after
16:26.52 brlcad that was the reasons to commit pristine, then commit the patch that makes it work
16:26.59 brlcad that can be easily recovered
16:27.25 mafm I see
16:27.46 mafm however, I don't know what's the proper way to create the .pc file -- do you have experience with that?
16:28.17 mafm (you as in plural :) )
16:29.55 brlcad you mean like these: http://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/brlcad/brlcad/trunk/misc/pkgconfig/
16:30.59 brlcad you'd usually tie them to the build system, the brlcad module's are tied to autoconf
16:32.00 mafm hmm
16:32.13 mafm so you maintain it independently from the source of the package?
16:32.45 brlcad que?
16:33.35 brlcad could put the files anywhere really, but for the brlcad module, all build-related files are in misc
16:33.49 mafm I mean that it's not "inside" the dir of each library, but instead in a common place
16:33.53 mafm what about the external packages, src/other, you don't create .pc files for them?
16:34.08 brlcad they could have been in the dir, same difference
16:34.55 brlcad just organizationally, most "extra" files are put in misc so that source really is just the sources and whatever is exactly needed to compile them
16:35.12 brlcad (i.e. the CMakeLists.txt and/or Makefile.am files)
16:40.25 CIA-22 BRL-CAD: 03mafm * r31507 10/rt^3/trunk/src/other/mocha/ (126 files in 7 dirs): Importing Mocha (helper library for RBGui, from the same authors), v0.1.3
16:42.47 CIA-22 BRL-CAD: 03homovulgaris * r31508 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (10 files in 2 dirs): code reorganization in libpc : division of previous pc_solver.h into pcInterval.h and pcVariable.h; ws, license cleaning, and comment modification
16:44.30 mafm ~homovulgaris++ \o/
16:48.16 mafm what does that syntax mean btw, is it something for the bot?
16:48.33 brlcad ~karma mafm
16:48.33 ibot mafm has karma of 2
16:48.58 brlcad it's a simple "karma" system where you can show that you like/dislike something/someone
16:49.35 mafm lol
16:49.36 brlcad pretty much pointless as a "system", but it's useful for saying "yay" and fun to watch the numbers accummulate
16:49.44 mafm ~karma brlcad
16:49.44 ibot brlcad has karma of 1
16:49.50 brlcad mine is hard-coded :)
16:50.08 mafm :D
16:50.10 mafm why?
16:50.10 brlcad ~karma learner
16:50.10 ibot learner has karma of 98
16:50.14 CIA-22 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r31509 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/ (8 files in 4 dirs): Start breaking Volume II out into individual lessons, begin adding graphics back in.
16:50.24 brlcad oh, just Tim having some fun
16:50.28 brlcad (ibot's maintainer)
16:50.38 starseeker ~karma starseeker
16:50.38 ibot starseeker has neutral karma
16:50.43 starseeker heh
16:50.48 brlcad ~starseeker++
16:51.33 poolio ~karma ibot
16:51.33 ibot ibot has karma of 24
16:52.11 starseeker notes that breaking up VolII makes checking the markup more managable
16:56.21 starseeker heh - brlcad, once unicode support becomes more universal you should hack your ibot karma to return an infinity symbol
16:56.52 brlcad ~unicode
16:56.53 ibot from memory, unicode is http://qpe.sourceforge.net/packages/ipaq/qpf-cyberbit-120-50-t10_2.3.0-3_arm.ipk or http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/bedic/unifont_160_50_t10.qpf?download, or something ibot doesn't get
16:56.56 brlcad aw
16:57.24 brlcad ~color
16:57.24 ibot 13C12O5L8O9R6!
16:59.14 archivist I have seeded karma in my bot and a self karma test for one user!
17:02.58 CIA-22 BRL-CAD: 03mafm * r31510 10/rt^3/trunk/src/other/mocha/Include/Mocha/ (Compressor.h Stream.h): Patches needed to compile Mocha on GCC 4.x in GNU/Linux systems, at least -- grabbed from RPM by Matt Williams <matt@milliams.com>
17:03.38 brlcad woot
17:03.40 mafm can you please tell me what's the url you're using with svn info?
17:03.49 brlcad tis a day of good progress :)
17:04.21 brlcad same as the repository url
17:04.34 CIA-22 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r31511 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/lessons/mged/creating_primitive_shapes.xml: tweak output formatting to better match book
17:04.43 brlcad http://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net
17:05.19 mafm mmm
17:05.37 mafm I switched to https, for security
17:06.03 mafm but I'm wondering if it's asking for my password for being with http instead of svn+ssh, as other repositories that I have
17:08.22 brlcad oh, you actually meant "svn info"?
17:09.00 brlcad I meant that http just for web browsing for info
17:09.16 brlcad usual checkout would be
17:09.19 brlcad ~cadsvn
17:09.19 ibot To obtain BRL-CAD from Subversion: svn checkout https://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/brlcad/brlcad/trunk brlcad
17:09.51 brlcad so for your module, https://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/brlcad/rt^3/trunk rt^3
17:10.37 brlcad sourceforge has pretty extensive docs on the setup and protocols you can use
17:12.11 prasad1 when's the next siggraph sean
17:13.18 brlcad this year :P
17:13.50 mafm yep, but if you are also using https and you can use ssh-keys, then it's not a problem of me alone using this protocol
17:14.04 prasad1 i wonder if we'll have a booth
17:14.21 prasad1 trying to weasel my way into that trip; if it happens
17:14.25 prasad1 :D
17:21.17 ``Erik ~karma ``Erik
17:21.17 ibot ``erik has karma of 3
17:21.23 ``Erik ~karma dogma
17:21.23 ibot dogma has neutral karma
17:22.20 ``Erik andre sent me a message earlier in the week that he would be away, I was afk so was unable to respond at the time
17:23.10 ``Erik shakes fist at build error in src/libpg/ (something is messed up on my end, it's looking for .c files when the SOURCES list .cpp files)
17:23.14 brlcad k, that's good to know
17:23.26 brlcad ``Erik: that's an automake stupidity
17:23.45 brlcad it was .c and changed to cpp I believe, and the .deps dir still has the old dependency
17:24.06 ``Erik heh, nice.
17:24.26 brlcad you can edit the .deps/ Plo file or reconfigure with dependency tracking disabled, or distclean
17:24.32 ``Erik just did
17:24.35 ``Erik works now
17:25.15 CIA-22 BRL-CAD: 03mafm * r31512 10/rt^3/trunk/src/other/rbgui/ (234 files in 28 dirs): Importing RBGui (GUI library for OpenGL), v0.1.3
17:25.52 ``Erik reads about MAGI a little O.o
17:28.31 mafm oh the irony -- $ dos2unix linux.diff
17:29.07 ``Erik all your line endings are belong to me
17:33.43 mafm the patch wouldn't apply just because of the line endings :)
17:37.17 CIA-22 BRL-CAD: 03mafm * r31513 10/rt^3/trunk/src/other/rbgui/Gui/ (18 files in 11 dirs): Patches needed to compile RBGui on GCC 4.x in GNU/Linux systems, at least -- grabbed from RPM by Matt Williams <matt@milliams.com>
17:52.11 CIA-22 BRL-CAD: 03mafm * r31514 10/rt^3/trunk/src/other/rbgui/Gui/Source/PosixPlatformManager.cpp:
17:52.11 CIA-22 BRL-CAD: My patch (might I say quick and DIRTY hack instead?) to get keyboard autorepeat
17:52.11 CIA-22 BRL-CAD: working inside RBGui. I tried to contact RBGui guys so it's done properly
17:52.11 CIA-22 BRL-CAD: upstream, along with the other patches needed (I offered myself as maintainer,
17:52.12 CIA-22 BRL-CAD: so to speak), but proper implementation for this kind of things would be
17:52.14 CIA-22 BRL-CAD: probably after GSoC period -- the project is demanding enough.
17:57.44 CIA-22 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r31515 10/brlcad/trunk/AUTHORS: annotate tom's ManTech SRS Technologies, Inc. affiliation too since that relates to the ajem-centric contributions
18:00.02 mafm brlcad: you might want to try this thing
18:00.08 mafm it'll probably give some error :)
18:03.05 brlcad I most certainly do :)
18:03.14 brlcad are the deps hooked into the build somehow?
18:03.41 brlcad or should I jump into each and try to get them to build?
18:03.53 brlcad i saw you had a writeup somewhere
18:03.57 mafm not properly hooked, they're just preliminary instructions
18:04.19 brlcad k
18:04.39 ``Erik hum, now opennurbs fails to build for me :D
18:05.10 mafm commiting the instructions, it was missing
18:06.06 CIA-22 BRL-CAD: 03mafm * r31516 10/rt^3/trunk/src/other/ (Makefile Mocha.pc RBGui.pc): Preliminary support for building external libraries, not working yet (it gives instructions on how to do it, but probably people will get some errors)
18:06.06 mafm basically: you go to src/other
18:06.42 mafm eeeeek, my Makefile is not working >_<
18:08.11 mafm shouldn't this be calling the dependencies in place? all: ogre ois mocha rbgui
18:13.00 CIA-22 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r31517 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/lessons/mged/ (22 files in 2 dirs): Add lesson #2 - learning viewing options
18:13.31 brlcad updates
18:13.47 CIA-22 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r31518 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/book/tutorial_series/VolumeII.xml: And add the new lesson 2 to the book using xinclude
18:14.41 brlcad eww, binary dlls
18:14.55 starseeker where, rt^3?
18:15.07 brlcad apparently in the ogre repo
18:15.13 starseeker ewww
18:15.18 brlcad mafm: you have to declare them as PHONY targets
18:15.28 brlcad otherwise it sees the dir and thinks the target is fulfilled
18:16.09 brlcad make is entity-driven not rule-driven
18:18.49 mafm I see
18:19.10 mafm wrote some Makefiles sometimes, but they were very straightforward
18:19.40 mafm prefers Jam or now CMake, autotools irritates me
18:22.12 CIA-22 BRL-CAD: 03mafm * r31519 10/rt^3/trunk/src/other/Makefile: Fix Makefile so it actually works as intended -- even if it's only printing how to build libraries at the moment
18:24.07 mafm brlcad: so did you get the instructions right?
18:24.14 mafm cd to src/other; type make
18:24.37 mafm type make "library" to make each one of them -- but instead of making, at the moment just tells you the chain of commands
18:25.21 mafm as you'll see, Mocha and RBGui are cluncky in that sense (probably they were "extirped" from a bigger repository, and just put some building system quickly)
18:26.54 mafm and then, after having the libraries installed, go to some new build dir (inside src/g3d for example) and type something like
18:26.58 mafm $ cmake .. && make -s && su -c "make -s install"
18:29.42 mafm anyway brlcad, I have to go now because I have friends who came to visit me
18:29.53 mafm and thus I probably won't be around during weekend
18:30.22 mafm but I'd like you to write me an email with the problems (or use the wiki, etc) if you run into problems
18:30.32 mafm so you don't forget about them by monday :)
18:31.07 mafm I have to go now, take care folks :)
18:34.05 brlcad waves
18:55.44 PrezKennedy waves at brlcad
18:56.01 PrezKennedy keepin my brother busy?
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19:05.29 brlcad PrezKennedy: he's been learning the modeler, making some cool stuff
19:05.33 brlcad just getting started though
19:12.35 ``Erik heh, woops
19:15.05 ``Erik 'make -j' in src/other/openNURBS makes a bit of a mess if you don't have many free fds and pids handy
19:19.40 CIA-22 BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r31520 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/openNURBS/opennurbs_light.h: match declaration prototype to definition, fixes build errors on mac and fbsd
19:29.01 brlcad oops
19:29.06 brlcad didn't test the build
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20:01.59 CIA-22 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r31521 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO:
20:02.00 CIA-22 BRL-CAD: need to investigate why solids.sh sometimes fails on 64-bit platforms on three
20:02.00 CIA-22 BRL-CAD: tgc-related pixels. it's floating point fuzz, but where the inconsistency
20:02.00 CIA-22 BRL-CAD: happens isn't clear. iirc using ieee float or non-optimized builds fixes the
20:02.00 CIA-22 BRL-CAD: failure.
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21:07.37 CIA-22 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r31522 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Oh yeah, add the glossary component too.
21:07.37 starseeker jeez the default xhtml output formatting is boring
21:10.04 ``Erik uh, good?
21:49.39 CIA-22 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r31523 10/brlcad/trunk/ (TODO misc/nsis/brlcad.nsi):
21:49.39 CIA-22 BRL-CAD: prompted by sf bug report 1998145 (Windows Installation Version Confusion) by
21:49.39 CIA-22 BRL-CAD: tom browder, try to make our Windows installer more version-aware. this is
21:49.39 CIA-22 BRL-CAD: rather untested but the jist is that it will install to
21:49.39 CIA-22 BRL-CAD: programfiles/BRL-CAD/VERSION now and the uninstall registry keys become
21:49.40 CIA-22 BRL-CAD: version-specific. we also ensure that the installer filename being created
21:49.42 CIA-22 BRL-CAD: conforms to the newly established convention.
22:07.49 *** join/#brlcad Elperion (n=Bary@p5B14E605.dip.t-dialin.net)
22:19.57 brlcad there's be something fun to model and make a tutorial of: http://www.keveney.com/Ross.html
22:20.50 brlcad basically a bunch of cylinders
22:21.06 brlcad would be a good test of the constraint solver later on
22:33.36 archivist nice animation, Ive modelled James Watt's parallel motion in solidworks (within a few thou)
22:42.11 brlcad oh, cool, he has others: http://www.keveney.com/Engines.html
22:47.42 archivist I should rewrite the one I did, was in turbo pascal, it was to simulate the steam pressure in an engine with a strange method of governing
22:48.49 archivist the indicator diagrams showed possible problems, but the simulation proved it is a design error
23:30.17 brlcad archivist: the simulation was or you did an animation/rendering in pascal?
23:30.35 archivist did animation as well
23:32.28 archivist I think last time I could run it was win 95
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23:56.41 Tempy]_ I noticed a survey about help on the website and I have an idea if you want a help system where users can reach the creators but there's less danger of the creators being bothered by users who don't try for a solution.

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