| 00:08.21 | hml | haha |
| 00:08.29 | hml | spinlocksolutions ... interesting company name |
| 00:08.37 | hml | reminds me of this proof |
| 00:08.39 | hml | where if you're in the os |
| 00:08.47 | hml | and you're decidine g between spinlocking and sleeping |
| 00:08.55 | hml | you shoudl spinlock for the expected time to get the lock |
| 00:08.57 | hml | then sleep |
| 00:09.03 | hml | guarnateed to be within a factor of 2 of optimal |
| 00:11.34 | starseeker_ | does double-take seeing rhino in his world upgrade file, before noticing it is a java thing |
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| 01:27.24 | Miesco | Hey, how do i select an object |
| 01:27.26 | Miesco | So its white |
| 01:29.04 | brlcad | Miesco: want the gui answer or the command-line answer? |
| 01:29.27 | Miesco | brlcad: both please |
| 01:29.30 | brlcad | and have you read the mged tutorial -- it covers the gui answer |
| 01:29.41 | Miesco | brlcad: I am reading it |
| 01:29.50 | Miesco | brlcad: the one for beginners |
| 01:30.27 | brlcad | #2 at http://brlcad.org/wiki/Documentation |
| 01:30.29 | Miesco | Im doing the project where you create a globe in a frame |
| 01:30.34 | brlcad | okay |
| 01:30.41 | brlcad | that's one of its lessons |
| 01:32.02 | Miesco | I dont think that it told me |
| 01:32.08 | Miesco | How do you? |
| 01:32.17 | Miesco | I looked through the whole refrence |
| 01:32.22 | Miesco | both of them |
| 01:33.31 | brlcad | it definitely tells you :) |
| 01:33.36 | Miesco | aw man, what page |
| 01:33.44 | Miesco | Whats the command line way to do it |
| 01:33.48 | brlcad | page 73 |
| 01:34.10 | brlcad | if it's a primitive, you can use Primitive Selection on the Edit menu |
| 01:34.25 | brlcad | if it's a combination/region/group, you use the Matrix Selection on the Edit Menu |
| 01:35.04 | Miesco | thanks |
| 01:35.34 | Miesco | primitive is what you get from make right? |
| 01:35.41 | brlcad | yes |
| 01:36.46 | brlcad | if you turn on misc->faceplate and misc->faceplaye gui then you can also use the 's' keybinding in the graphics window, then move your mouse up/down to select objects for editing |
| 01:37.12 | brlcad | the command line way is either using the 'sed' command or the 'oed' command for primitives and combinations respectively |
| 01:37.50 | brlcad | there's a nice detailed tutorial on the oed command on the website, #5 |
| 01:38.10 | brlcad | the mged quick referecne card (#2.1) lists both of them under editing |
| 02:45.06 | PrezKennedy | changes nickname to mged for good laughs |
| 02:46.44 | pacman87 | i call 'rt' |
| 02:48.30 | brlcad | PrezKennedy: you happen to be at home? |
| 03:05.08 | poolio | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:06.10 | starseeker_ | Hmm - brlcad, is oed supposed to work if you just give it a primitive? Or should that be sed only? |
| 03:06.30 | brlcad | it's not presently supposed to work |
| 03:06.46 | brlcad | but it certainly could be made to work |
| 03:09.41 | brlcad | something like: oed {lhs rhs | object} and if object is a primitive, it just does the same as sed; if it's a combination, it uses the center of bb and applies as "/ object" |
| 03:10.27 | brlcad | oo, even better: oed [lhs] {path} |
| 03:11.43 | brlcad | where if lhs is missing, it defaults to / and path can be just an object name (prim or comb) which causes it to use center of the BB of the rightmost path element (which is the BB of that element if you do just "oed obj") |
| 03:20.54 | PrezKennedy | brlcad, im in La Plata |
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| 03:42.24 | Rabbitbunny | You guy only know about brlcad or do you happen to know how to get things to quit flipping inside out in SolidWorks. |
| 03:42.34 | Rabbitbunny | Also, Why aren't you all in #cad? |
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| 03:58.33 | pacman87 | 'flipping inside out'? |
| 03:59.39 | Rabbitbunny | As in, instead of the control arms being outside the ladder frame, they are suddenly inside it. |
| 04:00.22 | pacman87 | are you talking about mates in an assembly? |
| 04:01.35 | brlcad | Rabbitbunny: why would be be in #cad? |
| 04:01.36 | Rabbitbunny | Well, It's related to mates... But yes it's an assembly of tubing which creates a double wishbone suspension. |
| 04:02.04 | Rabbitbunny | brlcad: Because brlcad is pretty related. |
| 04:02.30 | brlcad | and more importantly, why would we want to provide support for a non-commercial package that someone supposedly paid a high penny for while what we do is for free ;) |
| 04:02.59 | brlcad | Rabbitbunny: so is #c and a couple dozen channels, but that's not a reason to hang out there ;) |
| 04:03.20 | Rabbitbunny | Because not everyone has 3d rendering on their linux box. |
| 04:03.54 | brlcad | eh? |
| 04:04.26 | brlcad | s/non-// too, of course .. heh |
| 04:05.01 | brlcad | not trying to be antagonistic, but it's just really out of place |
| 04:05.23 | yukonbob | hello, BRL-CADheads |
| 04:06.10 | pacman87 | howdy yukonbob |
| 04:06.13 | brlcad | if we received the money that was sent to dassault for that license, I might be more receptive ;) |
| 04:06.20 | Rabbitbunny | Well, obviously, But truth be told I never considered an oss cad system. |
| 04:06.38 | yukonbob | Rabbitbunny: you've come to the right place to start considering :) |
| 04:06.52 | brlcad | you're paying them to support you, make them support you :) |
| 04:07.21 | Rabbitbunny | It's 11pm, I think they're sleeping on my money right this moment. |
| 04:07.45 | yukonbob | or snorting cocaine off of strippers |
| 04:07.59 | brlcad | heh |
| 04:08.03 | Rabbitbunny | Well yeah, But I figure they're too old for that. |
| 04:08.10 | Rabbitbunny | Maybe the marketing guys are. |
| 04:08.33 | brlcad | oh, i know a couple of the dassault guys .. they'd be up for at least half that statement ;) |
| 04:10.37 | Rabbitbunny | heh 'Solid Modelling for a strong defense' |
| 04:10.48 | Rabbitbunny | I think the project history may be fun to read. |
| 04:12.10 | brlcad | if you have any questions about brl-cad, be more than happy to answer them :) |
| 04:12.45 | brlcad | the industry diagram might be a useful starting point for you (under Documentation) as well as the introduction |
| 04:13.55 | brlcad | we don't have nearly the manpower, resources, or development investment than the major commercial CAD packages have, but we do get the job done if you are willing to climb the learning curve (we are definitely rather different) |
| 04:14.29 | brlcad | usability isn't a strong point, but support, customization, and development momentum are |
| 04:15.00 | yukonbob | suggests s/usability/easy introduction/ |
| 04:15.28 | yukonbob | like people say about Unix -- it's user friendly, but just picky about who it's friend are... |
| 04:17.49 | brlcad | yeah, that's probably a better way to put it -- especially given our best modelers are just as efficient in brl-cad as they are in commercial cad systems (they tell us) |
| 04:22.27 | Rabbitbunny | It can't be too bad, I didn't even do the SolidWorks course. |
| 04:23.23 | yukonbob | Rabbitbunny: with BRL-CAD, expect a steep learning curve. Think of something steep. Double it. Double it again. But once you're over that, pure joy. |
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| 04:25.17 | yukonbob | howdy hml |
| 04:25.33 | hml | reading laidlaw's 1986 csg paper |
| 04:25.38 | hml | you read it before? |
| 04:25.46 | jonored | notes that this sort of learning curve is exactly why he's unlikely to bother much with anything else - not everyone is afriad of the steep curve. |
| 04:28.34 | Rabbitbunny | Well, there are two types of curves. Concepts and Memorization. SolidWorks forced me to learn a lot of concepts. Hopefully brlcad isn't all about memorization. |
| 04:28.54 | Rabbitbunny | I see references to vi and emacs, somewhat forboding. |
| 04:29.41 | yukonbob | Embrace the fear. Come. Join the Free Side. |
| 04:30.54 | jonored | Ah, but you get so much power from a proper editor like one of those... |
| 04:34.34 | Ralith | in my opinion, steep learning curves are the best kind |
| 04:34.44 | Ralith | lots of work, but a very rewarding height once you're up there |
| 04:34.53 | Ralith | also |
| 04:34.56 | Ralith | [21:03]<Rabbitbunny>Because not everyone has 3d rendering on their linux box. |
| 04:35.14 | Ralith | I'm pretty sure BRL-CAD is usable if you don't even have an X server. |
| 04:35.18 | Ralith | although compiling it might be hard. |
| 04:35.54 | Ralith | the only realtime rendering currently done in the bits I'm aware of is very simple wireframes :P |
| 04:36.04 | Ralith | which can probably even be done at usable speed in software. |
| 04:36.24 | jonored | There's also, you know, rt... but that's a raytracer, which isn't generally done with hardware. |
| 04:36.32 | jonored | (or rather, specialized hardware.) |
| 04:36.41 | Rabbitbunny | Oh, I have X. It just doesn't do 3d. It's a p2-733 with 320Mb ram and an Intel i810. Xfce is pushing it. |
| 04:37.14 | pacman87 | Rabbitbunny: is that what you're running solidworks on? |
| 04:37.34 | Rabbitbunny | No, I run SolidWorks on the Windows box. |
| 04:37.48 | Ralith | Rabbitbunny: if you look at the gallery, there's a photo of BRL-CAD in use on a PDP-11. |
| 04:37.50 | pacman87 | *sigh of relief* |
| 04:37.53 | jonored | I'm running BRL-CAD quite comfortably on a similar system, but I think substantially lower clock. |
| 04:37.57 | Ralith | I'm pretty sure those don't have 3d accel either. |
| 04:38.23 | pacman87 | i've got a pIII 800 mhz w/ 192 mb ram ( i think |
| 04:38.37 | pacman87 | sitting behind me |
| 04:38.55 | Ralith | I've got a bunch of those |
| 04:39.02 | jonored | CF-27. PII, 300MHz, 128mb ram, what I'm typing this on :) |
| 04:39.04 | Ralith | been thinking about networking them up and trying out distributed raytracing on them |
| 04:39.26 | jonored | my primary machine. |
| 04:39.40 | Rabbitbunny | My server is a p2-450 with 128mb and no X. Slowest box I've ever owned. |
| 04:42.51 | Rabbitbunny | Yes, I'm young. |
| 04:43.42 | pacman87 | i think my dad had a 286 and a 386 |
| 04:43.51 | jonored | It's nice having a machine you can drop from a yard up, take out in the rain/dust/freezing, and replace for $50. Snappy, too, with lightweight software on it. |
| 04:43.53 | pacman87 | probably sitll up in the attic somehwere |
| 04:44.30 | Ralith | jonored: although I <3 my core 2 duo laptop w/ a high end video card, too ^^ |
| 04:45.26 | pacman87 | first os i remember was ms dos shell |
| 04:45.47 | brlcad | hml: yeah, that's not far off what we do |
| 04:46.52 | Rabbitbunny | Lucky, My dad into Apple, I still have the ][e. Haven't made the fishtank yet. |
| 04:47.00 | Rabbitbunny | s/into/was into/ |
| 04:48.20 | jonored | Ralith: Might up to one of the CF-19s sometime. 4lb, ultra-low-power core duo, good graphics, and a tablet, all on the same durability spec as my beast. |
| 04:48.28 | hml | brlcad: cool, I think i'm going to start out trying to implement that paer (and learn from it -- not trying to reinvent the wheel here -- and port the brlcad code if I fail) |
| 04:49.15 | jonored | (girlfriend has one of those, it's impressive.) |
| 04:50.39 | brlcad | Ralith: compiling brl-cad for non-X11 use is pretty simple actually, just set a flag and you have non-gui-only |
| 04:51.09 | pacman87 | use rt -F/dev/brainlink |
| 04:51.52 | Ralith | brlcad: ooo, cool |
| 04:51.54 | brlcad | but yeah, even for full functionality we don't require opengl |
| 04:51.57 | Ralith | i didn't think that was actually supported |
| 04:52.28 | Ralith | jonored: I like being able to game ^^ |
| 04:52.56 | brlcad | Rabbitbunny: brl-cad actually should run on a IIe if you had the right tools and environment to compile :) |
| 04:53.40 | Rabbitbunny | It has a ~9" screen. |
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| 10:42.55 | mafm | hi |
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| 13:00.08 | ``Erik | O.o |
| 13:16.04 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r31877 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libpc/pcParser.h: header is not included |
| 13:32.50 | pacman87 | morning, all |
| 13:36.22 | brlcad | howdy pacman87 |
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| 14:08.53 | prasad1 | heyo |
| 14:15.34 | brlcad | howdy prasad1 |
| 14:17.37 | brlcad | poolio: it's in your home dir |
| 14:21.51 | ``Erik | has opened his mouth in #lisp and is... boggled at how undickish and helpful and laid back they are O.o |
| 14:21.54 | ``Erik | what went wrong? :D |
| 14:33.09 | poolio | brlcad: thanks. whatcha doin in there ;) |
| 14:33.32 | brlcad | hm, in where? |
| 14:33.52 | poolio | ~poolio |
| 14:34.07 | poolio | I'm just giving you a hard time :) |
| 14:47.13 | brlcad | wasn't, just blindly sudo cp'd :) |
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| 15:12.48 | starseeker | ``Erik: told you |
| 15:13.18 | starseeker | in my experience, it's usally idiots and flamers who get burnt to a crisp - you know enough to ask reasonable questions |
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| 16:20.33 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: Variable generation from expressions ( of the form "Var123=325.3" with |
| 16:20.33 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: whitespace skipping complete. Result stored in a PCSet class which would be used |
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| 16:20.33 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: constraint network |
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| 16:40.10 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: Stub in the following commands: copyeval cp dbip dump dup expand facetize find g |
| 16:40.10 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: get_type hide i keep kill killall killtree lt make_bb match move_arb_edge |
| 16:40.10 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: move_arb_face mv mvall nmg_collapse nmg_simplify open pathlist push r rm rmap |
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| 16:42.44 | prasad1 | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-509718/Try-making-splash-worlds-largest-swimming-pool--1-000-yards-long.html |
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| 21:47.23 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: more work on name parsing - test database reading, beginnings of region |
| 21:47.23 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: counting logic - need to use db_functree in db_walk.c and supply a comb function |
| 21:47.23 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: to check if the comb is a region and increment a counter. Current method bombs |
| 21:47.23 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: out if no region is present due to use of db_recurse. |
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| 21:55.28 | brlcad | ahah |
| 21:55.35 | brlcad | starseeker: I forgot to load the directory |
| 22:48.16 | brlcad | starseeker: http://brlcad.org/wiki/Example_db_walk_tree |
| 22:48.50 | brlcad | shakes fist at db_dirbuild() .. then shamefully realizes it was entirely user error |
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