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| 10:50.23 | mafm | hey there |
| 11:02.12 | CIA-23 | BRL-CAD: 03homovulgaris * r32256 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libpc/ (pcSolver.h solver_test.cpp): removing using namespace boost |
| 11:30.05 | brlcad | howdy mafm |
| 11:59.37 | CIA-23 | BRL-CAD: 03homovulgaris * r32257 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libpc/ (pcPCSet.cpp pcPCSet.h pcSolver.h solver_test.cpp): Adding a generic PCSolver to take care of non-binary constraints as well taking data directly from the PCSet without using the graph structures |
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| 12:08.26 | mafm | brlcad: what's the logic behind including headers' order, from the HACKING file? |
| 12:13.57 | mafm | if you include system headers before your code's headers, your headers are not autocontained |
| 12:14.41 | mafm | say, if you need std::vector in a header, you might not put it but still works in your code |
| 12:15.09 | mafm | but then brokes when somebody wants to include the header in a new implementation file, and forgets to include what the header needs |
| 12:24.41 | brlcad | mafm: portability/overridability |
| 12:24.55 | brlcad | "you might not put it" would be an error in that header |
| 12:24.59 | brlcad | s/header/source/ |
| 12:25.08 | brlcad | each file should include what it needs |
| 12:26.02 | brlcad | the ordering ensure consistent inclusion across platforms and allows you to globally (and consistently) override or account for system peculiarities |
| 12:34.15 | brlcad | it also helps identify/fix cyclic header dependencies because it's really hard to keep them in the prescribed order if the interfaces form a cycle (which is generally a bad design) |
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| 13:18.21 | mac- | HI THERE |
| 13:18.25 | mac- | sorry for caps :) |
| 13:18.50 | mac- | i wish to install BRL-CAD on my slackware Linux |
| 13:19.00 | mac- | there is sense to compile it ? |
| 13:21.03 | starseeker | sure, that should work fine |
| 13:21.55 | mac- | but i`m looking now on download page from sourceforge |
| 13:21.56 | starseeker | The binary should be OK if you just want to try it out, but the compile is pretty straightforward if you want to build it yourself |
| 13:22.17 | mac- | and there is only 64 bit version precompiled |
| 13:22.24 | mac- | when I`m working on IA32 |
| 13:22.25 | mac- | :/ |
| 13:22.43 | starseeker | Ah, yes - for the most recent one that's true |
| 13:22.52 | starseeker | 7.10.4 has 32 bit versions |
| 13:23.40 | mac- | I`m working on AMD Athlon 750 MHz with 768 MB ECC RAM and SCSI 10k disks it is enough ? |
| 13:23.53 | starseeker | sure |
| 13:24.01 | starseeker | plenty ;-) |
| 13:24.20 | starseeker | BRL-CAD has historically run on just about everything, from a VAX on up to a supercomputer |
| 13:24.37 | mac- | i wish to draw robot`s effector |
| 13:24.43 | mac- | :> |
| 13:25.09 | starseeker | effector? |
| 13:25.12 | mac- | there is module for motion simulation like on Deassault Systemes Catia ? |
| 13:25.26 | starseeker | our motion tools are pretty limited at the moment |
| 13:25.50 | mac- | effector is an robot working tool at the and of robot arm |
| 13:25.51 | mac- | :> |
| 13:26.15 | mac- | but there is tool for motion simulation ? |
| 13:26.51 | mac- | i know that Catia is very experienced software on this area |
| 13:26.55 | starseeker | I guess you could start here: http://brlcad.org/OLD/reports/tr-313/index.html |
| 13:27.17 | starseeker | I've never used them myself, so I'm not really qualified to comment |
| 13:27.34 | mafm | brlcad: what I told there it was only a simple problems, but there are more complex scenarios; like including RBGui header (external non-system header) which includes things that make that some .c/xx files have to include system headers before other local headers, or not |
| 13:28.09 | mafm | brlcad: but well, it was just for curiosity seeing what Ralith has done, it's about the same for me -- just that I was "fixing" them in the other direction recently |
| 13:28.47 | mac- | i`m student of mechanical engeenerig |
| 13:28.52 | mac- | engeneering |
| 13:29.11 | mac- | then i wish to define trajectories of elements motions |
| 13:29.59 | mac- | it will be very syntetic but should work proper for my requirements |
| 13:30.01 | mac- | :) |
| 13:34.57 | mac- | hmm, 24 MB of bz2 sources file, and it is complete BRL-CAD with all features ? |
| 13:34.58 | brlcad | mafm: that's a failure of encapsulation in the rbgui header then, which can be accounted for by having an rbgui wrapper private header that includes common, system-that-rbgui-needs, rbgui header |
| 13:35.16 | brlcad | or fixing rbgui's files |
| 13:36.37 | brlcad | the problem is there regardless |
| 13:37.18 | brlcad | mac-: what else would you expect? |
| 13:38.31 | brlcad | catia has more than 1k developers and a 5-figure per-seat license fee (USD/EUR) so keep that in mind :P |
| 13:39.00 | mac- | and is written in VisualBasic :P |
| 13:40.49 | mafm | oh, that explains why it's so expensive |
| 13:40.58 | mac- | :> |
| 13:41.16 | mac- | do you worked on Catia ? |
| 13:41.27 | mac- | did you work on Catia?* |
| 13:47.57 | mafm | (not me) |
| 13:50.20 | mac- | catia is very 'heavy' software |
| 13:51.09 | mac- | I`ve installed it on my slackware unser wine, and moreover it started but can`t work :P |
| 13:51.37 | pacman87 | mac-: i run slackware too, and i compiled from source |
| 13:52.11 | mafm | pacman87: he's talking about a software called Catia, not BRL-CAD :D |
| 13:52.40 | pacman87 | i was responding more to the scrollback than the latest comment |
| 13:56.34 | mac- | uhm, on which hardware and how long it taken ? |
| 13:57.01 | pacman87 | p4, 2.8ghz, 30-40 minutes |
| 13:57.14 | mac- | and how big binaries are ? |
| 13:59.04 | mac- | it will take about 3hrs to compile :) |
| 13:59.10 | mac- | on my machine |
| 13:59.11 | pacman87 | /usr/brlcad is 317MB |
| 13:59.24 | mac- | it`s quite big after compile :) |
| 13:59.37 | pacman87 | my svn checkout directory is 997MB |
| 14:07.21 | PrezKennedy | i should try compiling it on my wimpy centos box |
| 14:11.47 | mac- | :) |
| 14:11.53 | mac- | You are engeeners ? |
| 14:12.20 | pacman87 | i'm a ME major/EE minor at UT, class of '09 |
| 14:13.17 | mac- | what kond of constructions You are drwaing on BRL ? |
| 14:13.30 | PrezKennedy | im an IT major, class of someday :) |
| 14:14.01 | brlcad | mac-: why would I work on catia? did they make it open source recently? :) |
| 14:14.14 | mac- | heh |
| 14:14.17 | brlcad | I just know a couple of their devs |
| 14:14.36 | brlcad | s/know/have met/ .. not like we chum out every week |
| 14:15.34 | PrezKennedy | brlcad, you going to siggraph? |
| 14:15.35 | brlcad | PrezKennedy: you should do something about that 'someday' :) |
| 14:15.39 | brlcad | absolutely |
| 14:18.07 | PrezKennedy | brlcad, i will, work is going to pay for it |
| 14:18.40 | brlcad | paying for it isn't the hardest part .. it's doing the work and finsihing :) |
| 14:19.39 | PrezKennedy | yeah there is that too |
| 14:24.52 | PrezKennedy | brlcad, ive got the motivation and i know where i want to go with it now... didnt have that before :) |
| 14:25.06 | mac- | oh, there is any rewuirement i.e. OpenGL graphic adapter or something ? |
| 14:25.21 | mac- | I have Matrox MGA G200 |
| 14:29.22 | brlcad | mac-: nope |
| 14:31.00 | mac- | gr8 :) |
| 14:45.11 | Axman6 | wow, been a long time since i've seen anyone use that |
| 14:50.40 | mac- | what ? |
| 14:50.42 | mac- | G200 ? |
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| 16:10.06 | starseeker | mac-: You should be fine to compile and run it |
| 16:10.06 | starseeker | just remember that it's not intuitive for beginners - you will NEED to read the docs |
| 16:10.09 | brlcad | wee, fun |
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| 16:50.14 | brlcad | initial testing of using constant integers for X, Y, Z, etc seems to give about a 40% decrease in performance (at least on unoptimized) .. testing at least one other platform and optimized |
| 16:51.12 | brlcad | supposes that is more intended for Ralith who is not here |
| 16:51.47 | prasad_ | i wont be able to make it to siggraph :( |
| 16:53.51 | brlcad | prasad_: ahh, shame |
| 16:54.29 | brlcad | I'm sure the girls will cry when I tell them you couldn't be there |
| 16:57.04 | mafm | brlcad: why Ralith? I can't see traces of those changes in the diffs |
| 16:57.24 | brlcad | mafm: it was a discussion we were having a few days ago |
| 16:58.31 | brlcad | the changes weren't committed |
| 16:58.37 | brlcad | (*gasp* -- changes to the core ray-trace or numerics library that might affect performance shouldn't be committed without testing) |
| 16:59.28 | mafm | ah OK |
| 16:59.37 | brlcad | it's come up before, so it was worth testing out to see what the impact would be like .. alas it looks like what we do is for a very good reason (and should probably be documented as such) |
| 17:00.06 | brlcad | it's the kind of thing you don't remember 10 years later, no matter how intuitive it seems 'today' |
| 17:04.37 | brlcad | needs faster computers |
| 17:05.52 | prasad_ | indeed :( |
| 17:06.14 | prasad_ | but we'll prolly unveil gfx on iphone/mobile there |
| 17:06.17 | mafm | what do you use instead of const int? macros/straight numbers? |
| 17:06.55 | brlcad | yes |
| 17:07.34 | brlcad | I'm expecting optimized to do much better, but how much better is the question |
| 17:14.09 | starseeker | brlcad: What was the name of that FB variable again? |
| 17:17.38 | mafm | hmm |
| 17:17.52 | mafm | I thought that the compiler would treat const int as a macro |
| 17:18.04 | brlcad | starseeker: FB_FILE ? |
| 17:18.35 | starseeker | Is that the remote display one? |
| 17:18.38 | starseeker | that wasn't working? |
| 17:18.47 | brlcad | well yes and no |
| 17:19.02 | brlcad | FB_FILE is simply an alternative to using the -F option with all the tools |
| 17:19.23 | brlcad | it's having an FB_FILE or a -F using the remote interface that seems bused |
| 17:20.12 | brlcad | rt -Flocalhost:0 or rt -Fbzflag.bz:/dev/X:0, etc |
| 17:20.21 | brlcad | fbhelp |
| 17:23.38 | starseeker | hmm - confirmed, it didn't like the remote addy |
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| 17:25.49 | starseeker | interesting - the pkg_open printing shows the name of the target host minus one character |
| 17:26.33 | starseeker | e.g. pkg_open(machin,remotefb): unknown service instead of pkg_open(machine,remotefb): unknown service |
| 17:32.48 | starseeker | prods CIA |
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| 18:26.08 | mafm | brlcad: did you talk anything with Ralith about modifying the CMakeFile to include BRL-CAD root? |
| 18:26.38 | mafm | or the TCL includes? |
| 18:27.08 | mafm | I wouldn't think of any reason why TCL/TK would be necessary for this project |
| 18:31.04 | homovulgaris | howdy mafm :) |
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| 18:35.46 | mafm | hi homovulgaris, everything all right? |
| 18:36.40 | homovulgaris | :) |
| 18:39.07 | homovulgaris | pretty much |
| 18:39.39 | homovulgaris | my broadband has now a maximum limit of 512 kbps.. what is broad about that :| |
| 18:40.55 | mafm | I could live with less than that, if bills were smaller :) |
| 18:44.03 | starseeker | or if there were less free software to upgrade regularly ;-) |
| 18:44.34 | mafm | nope, I rarely update |
| 18:45.25 | homovulgaris | looking at an apt-get dist-upgrade size of 1289 MB right now |
| 18:45.50 | starseeker | heh - easier when you don't use Gentoo |
| 18:46.03 | starseeker | 's distro downloads the sources for everything and compiles - somewhat bigger |
| 18:46.41 | mafm | oh, sure |
| 18:46.45 | mafm | Debian ftw :P |
| 18:47.04 | starseeker | Nah, I like knowing everything is self consistent ;-) |
| 18:47.15 | mafm | I use unstable but don't update unless it's necessary feature-wise, or I'm bored and not in the middle of important projects |
| 18:49.51 | starseeker | If I were to use a binary distro though, it would be Debian or Ubuntu |
| 18:51.17 | mafm | and Debian is pretty consistent |
| 18:51.33 | mafm | int random { return 4; } |
| 18:51.35 | mafm | :) |
| 18:51.48 | mafm | random()* even |
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| 18:58.14 | homovulgaris | ibot says i have a message awaiting from brlcad .. how do i read ? :| irc noob |
| 19:02.42 | mafm | read 1, maybe |
| 19:03.45 | mafm | have to go now, see you later folks |
| 19:03.48 | homovulgaris | :) nope |
| 19:03.55 | homovulgaris | and :P |
| 19:03.58 | homovulgaris | ~read |
| 19:03.59 | ibot | ACTION reads Lord of the rings |
| 19:04.22 | homovulgaris | ciao mafm |
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| 19:57.15 | pacman87 | ~botmail |
| 19:57.41 | pacman87 | ~botmail read |
| 19:57.53 | pacman87 | homovulgaris: ^^ |
| 19:58.47 | homovulgaris | :) grr.. |
| 19:58.54 | homovulgaris | ~botmail read |
| 19:59.28 | homovulgaris | hmm.. that was 7d 9hours ago |
| 20:02.42 | CIA-23 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r32263 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: Add note about possibility of level of detail based wireframe drawing. |
| 20:02.50 | starseeker | hugs CIA-23 |
| 20:03.16 | homovulgaris | why is cia.vc having so much trouble these days |
| 20:03.36 | starseeker | not sure. It is a complex chain to keep up |
| 20:03.37 | CIA-23 | hugs starseeker |
| 22:03.09 | CIA-23 | BRL-CAD: 03homovulgaris * r32264 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libpc/ (15 files): renaming PCSet to VCSet for Variable-Constraint set since it is precisely what VCSet is, also necessary for adding a Parameter abstraction over the Variables . A vector is a collection of 3 variables for instance |
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| 23:03.17 | brlcad | starseeker: ah, then you might have found the bug -- an off-by-one on the string processing |
| 23:08.22 | brlcad | starseeker: yep |
| 23:08.43 | brlcad | they're good as-is if the docs are all updated/committed |
| 23:08.57 | brlcad | don't forget to tag it at that point |
| 23:09.12 | starseeker_ | Right - tag it in the branch? |
| 23:09.41 | brlcad | svn's idea of a tag is just a dir-to-dir cp |
| 23:09.58 | brlcad | but yeah, cp/tagging off the branch dir to the tags dir |
| 23:10.06 | starseeker_ | got it |
| 23:15.44 | CIA-23 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r32265 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/librender/Makefile.am: uses vmath.h so link libbn |
| 23:16.08 | CIA-23 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r32266 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/Makefile.am: uses vmath.h so link libbn |
| 23:17.15 | CIA-23 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r32267 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/convert.c: doesn't need/use vmath.h |
| 23:18.13 | CIA-23 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r32268 10/brlcad/trunk/src/util/Makefile.am: uses vmath.h so link libbn |
| 23:53.57 | starseeker_ | brlcad: Did you want to back something out of mged before I tag? |
| 23:54.08 | brlcad | ah, yes |