| 00:00.09 | docelic | hey folks, I'm looking at the tire tutorial, and it uses "1 tire" in mged, but I get invalid command name "1".. what's the catch? |
| 00:02.00 | docelic | actually I see that's "l", but still it looks like I have to load the .g file first? |
| 00:43.34 | starseeker | yes |
| 00:43.47 | starseeker | you must load the .g - it's the database with the tire in it |
| 00:44.33 | starseeker | If you're new to BRL-CAD you might want to spend some time with the VolII book before hitting the tire tool - it makes some assumptions about knowledge of BRL-CAD |
| 00:55.50 | brlcad | notes that docelic left.. |
| 00:56.18 | brlcad | he's not new to the channel, but undoubtedly a newbie to mged |
| 00:56.38 | starseeker | ah, shoot |
| 00:56.46 | starseeker | needs to check people leaving... |
| 00:57.46 | starseeker | brlcad: Does the docbook->man stuff look reasonable to proceed with? |
| 00:59.00 | brlcad | starseeker: the stuff I've seen to date looks good |
| 00:59.09 | brlcad | lots of repairs, I noticed |
| 00:59.32 | brlcad | looks like about 2-4% had a problem |
| 00:59.50 | starseeker | Heh |
| 01:00.02 | starseeker | Little tweaks for the most part, nothing spectacular |
| 01:00.33 | starseeker | The docbook will need to be hand fixed in most cases, and that means things like multiple command names can also be delt with |
| 01:00.47 | brlcad | how does it look if you take it back to man? |
| 01:00.54 | starseeker | pretty good |
| 01:01.14 | starseeker | i.e. - about the same |
| 01:01.25 | starseeker | headers are a bit different - more "standard" I suppose |
| 01:01.37 | starseeker | include things like date created |
| 01:03.33 | starseeker | also, xsltproc fusses if it doesn't have an author entry, so for the ones without it I'm just putting "BRL-CAD Team" |
| 01:06.46 | starseeker | will break out the license comment section into its own file to avoid duplication |
| 01:07.10 | brlcad | yeah, that's actually where it would be good to start collecting real authorship information for programs |
| 01:07.31 | brlcad | listing everyone that has worked on the various programs, sort out a mechanism for level of contributions |
| 01:07.39 | brlcad | similar to the authors file, but per application |
| 01:08.09 | starseeker | nods. Yes, that's a good idea |
| 01:08.35 | starseeker | better to wait until after the technical side is up and running though - that's a potential mine field |
| 01:09.11 | brlcad | it's a lot of svn searching |
| 01:11.14 | starseeker | True |
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| 01:14.56 | starseeker | hmm, actually makes very little sense to xinclude a commented section. |
| 02:32.25 | yukonbob | o.O |
| 02:32.36 | yukonbob | spies "xinclude"... |
| 02:34.00 | louipc | aww I can create a truncated right cone but not a true full right cone |
| 02:54.59 | starseeker | yukonbob: Yes, we're using it in the Docbook work |
| 03:20.22 | yukonbob | starseeker: I was trying to use it in some work, and it was choking -- I _think_ I traced the problem via google, but I don't even remember off top of head what the issue was... It looked like it required some extra work outside of the .xml file itself, though... |
| 03:20.40 | yukonbob | starseeker: is the work commited (ie: if I update my checkout, I'll see it?) |
| 03:20.46 | starseeker | hmm. I've had pretty good success with it so far. |
| 03:20.59 | starseeker | yep - look in doc/docbook |
| 03:21.16 | starseeker | it's not integrated into the build system just yet except for a couple test files |
| 03:21.38 | yukonbob | starseeker: so are you just manually running a toolchain? |
| 03:21.56 | starseeker | I have been up til now |
| 03:22.10 | yukonbob | has been using xsltproc (DocBook -> html) |
| 03:22.11 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r32722 10/brlcad/trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Put docbook version of search command in, and remove old man page version. Already formats much better, and is serving as a good test case for template development. |
| 03:22.30 | yukonbob | updates his copy of tree... |
| 03:22.38 | starseeker | If you have xsltproc, you should be able to make the examples in doc/docbook/system/mnan1 now |
| 03:22.42 | starseeker | er man1 rather |
| 03:22.59 | yukonbob | is xsltproc what you've been using too? |
| 03:23.04 | starseeker | yep |
| 03:24.14 | starseeker | The man pages generated by this process are almost certainly too much for awf, but in this day and age the only platform that doesn't have man on it that anybody uses is Windows, and even awf doesn't help there |
| 03:25.01 | starseeker | This process will get us html and (eventually) pdf versions of everything for free, and will even allow the same sources to be integrated both into Volume II's appendix and the man page process |
| 03:25.19 | yukonbob | indeed |
| 03:25.36 | starseeker | is tense - afahk no one else has yet tried this |
| 03:30.26 | yukonbob | wouldn't be worried -- docbook is built to be maleable that way. |
| 03:34.24 | starseeker | I mean building it |
| 03:34.41 | starseeker | is a tad new to autoconf hackery |
| 03:38.52 | yukonbob | starseeker: perhaps tap into the cmake work that's going on... |
| 03:38.54 | yukonbob | ? |
| 03:40.00 | yukonbob | is _NOT_ a cmake expert (or even a novice), but has the book, and intends to learn it. I it's promise is very interesting |
| 03:40.08 | yukonbob | *I think it's ... |
| 03:41.17 | starseeker | is supposed to be able to work with BRL-CAD as it stands ;-) |
| 03:42.11 | yukonbob | well "as it stands" seems to me to be a moving target ;) |
| 03:42.30 | yukonbob | ...but you're the implementor and more "in the loop", if there's in fact a loop to be in ;) |
| 03:42.40 | yukonbob | heads out on Quest for Food |
| 03:45.32 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r32723 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/system/man1/search.xml: Add dashes to primitives. Also include author section so xsltproc will be quiet. |
| 03:55.16 | starseeker | grins evilly |
| 03:55.20 | starseeker | http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/search.html |
| 03:55.36 | starseeker | and http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/search_man.png |
| 04:03.28 | yukonbob | nice tables in that man page |
| 04:09.59 | starseeker | :-) |
| 04:10.05 | starseeker | thanks |
| 04:10.43 | starseeker | looks like I need to add some html specific table logic to get them to look better there |
| 04:10.51 | starseeker | will do that tomorrow... |
| 04:11.07 | starseeker | were you able to build them? |
| 04:30.53 | yukonbob | didn't try yet... |
| 04:31.33 | yukonbob | heads to doc/docbook/system/man1 |
| 04:35.00 | yukonbob | may see what his issue was... |
| 04:53.02 | brlcad | louipc: what do you mean? what is a "true full" one? |
| 04:56.12 | brlcad | starseeker: that man page looks outstanding, nice |
| 05:01.42 | starseeker | yukonbob: If you want to look at xinclude stuff, try the VolumeII.xml file in doc/docbook/book/tutorial_series - I'm not using it in the man pages as yet |
| 05:01.47 | starseeker | brlcad: thanks! |
| 05:07.22 | yukonbob | waves to brlcad, gets ready to sign-off for evening... |
| 05:13.08 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r32724 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: |
| 05:13.08 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: unable to reproduce the text flood hang when running rtarea on 'slow' machines. |
| 05:13.08 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: probably just a case of not trying a machine that's actually slow enough, but we |
| 05:13.08 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: did try several configurations and enough has changed so it was maybe |
| 05:13.08 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: inadvertently fixed anyways. |
| 09:00.40 | louipc | brlcad: ending with a point instead of ending with a circle. I made the second radius .00001 heh |
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| 09:05.39 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r32725 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/win32-msvc/Dll/BrlcadCore.def: added bu_vls_gets |
| 09:05.40 | Ralith | so, not a point, just a very very small circle. |
| 12:15.43 | starseeker | Of course, in the real physical world you never have an infinitely sharp point |
| 12:16.07 | starseeker | even an atomicly pointed cone isn't the same as a true mathematical non-truncated cone ;-) |
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| 13:01.47 | brlcad | louipc: that's actually intentional since physically there is no "infinitely thin" tipped point |
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| 13:24.34 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r32727 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: the c++ engine is in the rt^3 module and john implemented tess for the dsp |
| 13:24.49 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r32726 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: vararg.h was eliminated along with the old cray code |
| 13:25.17 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r32728 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: cliff fixed the 'Create Solid' reference in volII already as part of the docbook conversion |
| 13:25.18 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r32729 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: cliff implemented a find command for mged (woot) |
| 14:44.13 | brlcad | debates finally hitting up rtarea once again |
| 14:45.21 | yukonbob | waves in: Hello, cadheads |
| 14:45.30 | brlcad | howdy yukonbob |
| 14:45.45 | yukonbob | what's shaking, brlcad? |
| 14:47.23 | brlcad | my belly |
| 14:47.31 | brlcad | not enough gym time lately :( |
| 14:48.23 | prasad_1 | <nelson>ha ha</nelson> |
| 14:48.24 | prasad_1 | ;) |
| 14:49.50 | brlcad | yeah, it's pretty bad .. eating way too much, rotator cuff is inflamed something aweful, cardio capacity is *way* down |
| 14:51.06 | prasad_1 | i went last night |
| 14:51.10 | prasad_1 | after 6 mos |
| 14:51.11 | prasad_1 | :o |
| 14:51.14 | prasad_1 | hurtin |
| 14:51.19 | yukonbob | :P |
| 14:51.46 | yukonbob | went for big run/hike for first time in long time other week too... actually felt really good (at the end) |
| 14:52.22 | yukonbob | will hopefully get into habbit of hitting bicycle again.... |
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| 15:00.21 | brlcad | begins the rtarea rewrite |
| 15:01.51 | yukonbob | brlcad: good luck! |
| 15:02.15 | brlcad | this will make the third or fourth rewrite |
| 15:02.30 | brlcad | it's so frequently used, though, deserves some attention/improvements |
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| 15:29.45 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r32730 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/mirror.c: remove dead mirror code |
| 15:33.01 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r32731 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/mirror.c: remove authorship |
