| 00:08.18 | starseeker | YEEEESSSSS!!!! |
| 00:12.29 | starseeker | which is not to say that it doesn't need a lot of work, but the basic machinery is now functional. Thanks brlcad! |
| 00:12.29 | ``Erik | holy crap, I got a title and team in ae, crap, now they'll expect me to do something |
| 00:12.38 | starseeker | heh |
| 00:12.49 | ``Erik | oh, uh, hey cliff, uh, still need automake help? :D |
| 00:12.52 | claymore | loves his wife. She bought Ironman and SHE wants to watch it. *love* |
| 00:13.06 | claymore | who the hell put you in charge?!?!?!? |
| 00:13.36 | starseeker | ``Erik: Actually, yes :-). How do I teach automake to identify and install all the output files from a chunked html docbook translation? |
| 00:13.46 | ``Erik | I was thinking "R0x like Br0X" for the title, but they gave me "R0x your S0X Br0X" or something |
| 00:14.00 | ``Erik | chunked how? |
| 00:14.03 | ``Erik | lemme upgrade... |
| 00:14.36 | claymore | Thats got a dr seuss ring to it Erik... |
| 00:14.37 | starseeker | docbook supports two basic modes of producing html documents - "all in one" and "one file per chapter/section/etc." the latter is known as chunked |
| 00:15.04 | ``Erik | ok, I've done sectioned things using the latex2html system |
| 00:15.24 | starseeker | basically I feed it a different stylesheet - that part's OK - but the filenames are random |
| 00:15.26 | Ralith | mm, LaTeX |
| 00:15.39 | claymore | Ralith: lol, beat me to it. |
| 00:15.39 | ``Erik | random? |
| 00:15.40 | starseeker | well, as far as automake knows anyhow |
| 00:15.59 | ``Erik | is there a common file that you know will exist and be able to do path name globbing? |
| 00:16.00 | starseeker | based on the chapter/section names probably |
| 00:16.11 | starseeker | output file? |
| 00:16.18 | starseeker | or input file? |
| 00:16.23 | ``Erik | output |
| 00:16.25 | ``Erik | like |
| 00:16.32 | ``Erik | index.html: crap.xml |
| 00:16.34 | starseeker | not to my knowledge, except maybe index.html |
| 00:16.51 | starseeker | hang on, let me do some down and dirty testing... |
| 00:16.57 | ``Erik | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:17.22 | ``Erik | you might have to abuse the uninstall hook to clean up properly, though |
| 00:19.37 | ``Erik | "(RSQ) R0X ur S0X Br0X" heh |
| 00:19.40 | starseeker | er - are you thinking take index.html and follow all its links to install? |
| 00:20.29 | ``Erik | I'm thinking that your xml will generate index.html, which should be sufficient to generate support files, and you can do fugly globbing to handle all the incidentals |
| 00:20.49 | starseeker | I take it there's no "non-fugly" way? |
| 00:20.51 | ``Erik | but it won't be "right" unless you can explicitely name all the generated ones |
| 00:21.01 | starseeker | like "watch all the output from running this operation and install it?" |
| 00:21.10 | ``Erik | uh, no, :( |
| 00:21.19 | starseeker | darn it |
| 00:21.26 | starseeker | why not? ;-) |
| 00:22.07 | starseeker | probably CAN collect all the chunked names, given enough braincells lost to boredom |
| 00:22.11 | ``Erik | well, how the hell do you know what random program xyz outputs when it's non-uniform? |
| 00:22.31 | ``Erik | now if you felt like being horribly gauche, you could collect output and regenerate the makeful with that information |
| 00:22.42 | starseeker | simple - save a list of all files in the directory, then do a diff after the command is run. Anything new is output |
| 00:22.57 | ``Erik | otherwise, you need to simply know the output and sync your .am |
| 00:23.06 | starseeker | nods |
| 00:23.10 | starseeker | was afraid of that |
| 00:23.31 | ``Erik | it's a non-recursive evaluation, think of it as a single pass operation |
| 00:24.03 | starseeker | bah - need a lisp build system. This would be child's play |
| 00:24.21 | ``Erik | yes, this is not lispy, this is simple shell scripts |
| 00:24.58 | ``Erik | lisp has the zomfg awesome of freakin' recursively evaluated macros, C doesn't do that, and this is even further off in the wrong direction :D |
| 00:25.01 | starseeker | wonders how the rest of the world solves this problem |
| 00:25.27 | ``Erik | uh, fugly hacks or knowing all the generated files and maintaining a solid am file? |
| 00:25.35 | starseeker | blegh |
| 00:25.35 | ``Erik | 99% of the world would say "uh, don't do that" |
| 00:25.36 | ``Erik | :) |
| 00:25.55 | starseeker | generate chunks in the first place you mean? |
| 00:26.23 | ``Erik | I honestly can't see this stuff being nondeterministic |
| 00:26.51 | ``Erik | I think you're just expecting too much automagic, if you change a section name, update the am file to reflect that... no? |
| 00:26.59 | starseeker | Oh, I'm quite sure it's deterministic. It's just the idea of a big laundry list doesn't appeal |
| 00:27.20 | ``Erik | <-- points to several places where we have big laundry lists in BRL-CAD's autofu |
| 00:27.54 | starseeker | objects to doing things computers can (or at least should) be able to do. |
| 00:29.07 | ``Erik | ok. You must know the output of every program in existance, ever. Without getting to look at docs or try running them. |
| 00:29.27 | ``Erik | due to the pipelined trivial nature of the auto* approach, that is the issue :) |
| 00:29.49 | ``Erik | given any possible data set as input. |
| 00:29.57 | ``Erik | :D |
| 00:46.32 | starseeker | Heh. Before and after diffs on the directory are fine unless you get side cruft generated, but nevermind |
| 01:06.05 | ``Erik | many programs generate side cruft |
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| 08:34.58 | claymore | me yawns. |
| 08:35.01 | claymore | Mornin all. |
| 08:49.05 | ``Erik | you wake up far too early. |
| 08:51.49 | ``Erik | tegan and sarah.. they're not pretty,but they make good music |
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| 10:31.17 | claymore | Well it appears you wake up too early also :) |
| 10:31.32 | iandaletter | me? |
| 10:31.50 | iandaletter | it is rather evening... |
| 10:32.11 | claymore | well i was talking at Erik, but hi! |
| 10:32.24 | iandaletter | hi |
| 10:34.47 | claymore | Erik as for their music... its okay. That song 'back in your head' drives me insane... too squeak of a voice. 'Speak slow' is rock enough that I actually like it. |
| 10:35.14 | claymore | And the looks, eh, I believe the category they fall into is 'bag & tag' ;) |
| 10:36.53 | claymore | iandaletter: Whereabouts are you located? |
| 10:37.09 | iandaletter | пÑе +7 |
| 10:37.14 | iandaletter | gmt +7 |
| 10:37.46 | iandaletter | ending up translating QCAD's manual |
| 10:38.15 | clock_ | iandaletter: QCAD the 2D editor from Switzerland? |
| 10:38.19 | claymore | what for? |
| 10:38.21 | iandaletter | claymore: are you a student? |
| 10:38.54 | iandaletter | clock_: yes, and it seems it loads 3D dxf as orthogonal view - but i'm not sure |
| 10:39.08 | clock_ | orthogonal view? |
| 10:39.13 | iandaletter | claymore: i'm graduated student... |
| 10:40.05 | iandaletter | clock_: probably it fully support dxf, but it's a 2D editor - XY plane can be saved, but i'm not sure |
| 10:40.46 | claymore | ianda:negative ghost rider, I am a oldguy. Done did gradjiated and have to work the rest of my life now :) |
| 10:41.45 | iandaletter | claymore: clay more - you probably love off-road or it's a name of a city? |
| 10:42.27 | claymore | gmt +7 = China, mongolia, russia ...? |
| 10:42.37 | iandaletter | russia |
| 10:42.47 | iandaletter | www.sibsiu.ru |
| 10:42.54 | iandaletter | my university |
| 10:43.07 | claymore | Actually, 'Claymore' is just an internet handle I have had since I was a weee lad. Base on the Scottish Two Handed Sword. |
| 10:43.54 | iandaletter | claymore: i thought it means "Waha!.. more clay after the rain (under my wheels)!.." |
| 10:44.45 | claymore | ianda: Very well could mean that :) I just never heard that. I DO own a jeep and like to go off road evern now and then... |
| 10:45.24 | clock_ | claymore: some people go off road without a jeep - in a sharp curve in a rain, after a lot of drinking... |
| 10:46.13 | claymore | lol, not I. I don't drink and never will. Lost 2 good friends in High School to drugs & alcohol... |
| 10:46.29 | iandaletter | i own a motorbike, heavy one.. like to ride it to e.g. scrambler thru muddy road after rains and so on... When on asphalt tires - it's fun... www.rockrawler.com |
| 10:46.35 | claymore | I go offroad on purpose and in a rather controlled manner ;) |
| 10:46.55 | iandaletter | lol... sharp curve |
| 10:47.19 | clock_ | claymore: did they die from drugs and alcohol? |
| 10:47.41 | claymore | yes they did. |
| 10:47.48 | clock_ | heroin? |
| 10:48.41 | iandaletter | claymore: why developers of brl-cad have not included some new features, as e.g. automatic dimensioning? |
| 10:49.39 | iandaletter | clock_: "hero in" - and it's usually not so... it is "you + drugs" Why don't they call heroin as "youdrugs"? |
| 10:49.47 | claymore | Father came home drunk and high on something, i don't know if they ever found out what, but had a shotgun and was looking to kill his wife. Mistook his daughter for his wife. |
| 10:50.51 | clock_ | claymore: oops |
| 10:51.30 | clock_ | claymore: what happened afterwards with the father? |
| 10:51.51 | claymore | iandaletter: When it comes to features added into brlcad, well, its a matter of person-hours... there just isn't enough coders to go around ;) |
| 10:52.14 | iandaletter | claymore: it's bad a bad opportunity to get fire weapons easily. In Russia, lots of people vote "no" for it. But "our capitalists" still want it, though |
| 10:52.21 | claymore | clock: Prison, haven't heard from him since. Don't care to either. |
| 10:52.38 | clock_ | claymore: and mother? |
| 10:52.40 | iandaletter | claymore: ok, i thought it |
| 10:53.11 | iandaletter | clock_: don't sure mother is happy |
| 10:53.26 | claymore | clock_: She committed suicide shortly thereafter. |
| 10:53.32 | clock_ | no wonder |
| 10:54.19 | clock_ | so effectively the family disappeared from the surface of earth? |
| 10:54.58 | claymore | pretty much. |
| 10:55.39 | claymore | its a said story, sure, but that was many years ago now. Just the reason why i have never and will never partake. *shurgs* |
| 10:55.56 | clock_ | how many years do you get in the US for shotgunning down your own daughter? |
| 10:56.09 | clock_ | claymore: partake == got to parties? |
| 10:56.25 | iandaletter | Drugs 'fresh' up their mind, but they don't pleasure in life. Instead, they try to resolve old problems. Or sit and wait for drug intake - when the problems actually begins - in relations or smth. |
| 10:56.51 | claymore | Murder no longer commands the death sentence, so he will be out in about another 10 years. I think he did 25 total. |
| 10:57.10 | clock_ | So then he can find another woman and the story can repeat |
| 10:57.32 | clock_ | If the wife added one homicide to the suicide, she could have prevented this. |
| 10:57.36 | claymore | partake == go to parties, but not drink. I usually end up being the designated driver... which is lots of fun by itself :) |
| 10:57.54 | claymore | If he makes it out alive... the prisons are not nice to child killers. |
| 10:58.20 | clock_ | she was a child at that time? |
| 10:58.31 | iandaletter | clock_: "partake" = to take a part of |
| 10:58.34 | claymore | Grief makes people do very irrational things. |
| 10:59.17 | claymore | Yes, she was 12 or 13 at the time. We had known eachother since we were babies. |
| 11:00.42 | clock_ | why did the father want to kill the mother? |
| 11:01.06 | clock_ | that's not how a harmonic family works, I'd guess |
| 11:01.50 | claymore | Who knows. He was drunk and high on some drug. He probably didn't even know, just seemed like good idea probably. The mother and daugther were wonderful people. The mother just picked a bad apple when it came to husbands. |
| 11:02.25 | iandaletter | clock_: he has something to say, and he'd chosen inappropriate way to do it - after drugs "Drugs 'fresh' up their mind, but they don't pleasure in life. Instead, they try to resolve old problems. Or sit and wait for drug intake - when the problems actually begins - in relations or smth." |
| 11:03.31 | iandaletter | "husbands" - "house band" |
| 11:04.17 | claymore | husbands = married man. e.g. Husband and Wife. |
| 11:04.25 | clock_ | An advantage of a single mother. There is no husband to shotgun her down |
| 11:05.10 | claymore | ...well thats an intersting angle to look at it from Clock_ ...huh, never thought if that way. |
| 11:06.20 | iandaletter | clock_: and a choice of partners, and a need for being a cute lady... |
| 11:06.46 | claymore | $5 USD says that Erik comes back on the channel and says "zomg you guys talk too much!" |
| 11:08.29 | claymore | so, what do you all do for a living? if you don't mind me askin of course |
| 11:08.50 | clock_ | is a software engineer, which is a posh name for programmer |
| 11:09.31 | iandaletter | i'm mechanical engineer, and sometimes a translator |
| 11:09.42 | claymore | posh? might you be in the uk somewhere clock? |
| 11:09.53 | clock_ | no Switzerland |
| 11:10.02 | iandaletter | Probably, i will be a super-duper e.g. sportsman later |
| 11:10.11 | claymore | only missed by a few hundred miles :) |
| 11:10.56 | clock_ | I program in C. |
| 11:11.00 | claymore | cool, a MechEng. I was a ElecEng in the US Navy for a while. What area of the industry do you work in iandaletter? |
| 11:11.14 | clock_ | mechanical engineer is good |
| 11:11.24 | iandaletter | i want to drive thru europe someday... but the main distance will be my own country - nice views as mountains and plains |
| 11:11.27 | claymore | lol, join the crowd. There are some serious C zealots here where I Work. |
| 11:11.49 | iandaletter | heavy machinery of metallurgical plants |
| 11:11.52 | claymore | I am the 'new guy' and the 'oo guy' :) |
| 11:12.15 | clock_ | object oriented |
| 11:12.30 | clock_ | is object oriented, where the object is attractive gay guys |
| 11:12.47 | claymore | ianda: Awesome, so I understand: The machines at the plants where the alloy mixing occurs, or more like the mines where the metals are extracted? |
| 11:13.29 | clock_ | how to produce heavy machinery: take ordinary machinery and add a lod of lead weights |
| 11:13.35 | iandaletter | big coefficient of reliability - the only difference from other machines... same ratio weight / reliability |
| 11:13.49 | clock_ | iandaletter: so everything i sbasically thicker? |
| 11:14.06 | claymore | clock: lol, I am not sure if you are calling OO guys gay, or just saying that you like gay guys.... |
| 11:14.29 | clock_ | claymore: I am not calling oo guys gays, I am just stating I am gay in a oo-paraphrase manner |
| 11:14.39 | iandaletter | clock_: come on! you can not live wit no womans.. as russian com |
| 11:15.07 | claymore | clock_: i figured it was one of the two :) |
| 11:15.22 | clock_ | claymore: hope I didn't offend you |
| 11:15.48 | clock_ | is listening to a tune recorded on a dot matrix printer |
| 11:15.57 | iandaletter | ComedyClub says: "No, no... I'm same yours, still a clothes' esigner, and don't believe them all - i'm still a gay..." |
| 11:16.14 | claymore | ianda: so what industry do your machines primarily function in? |
| 11:17.18 | claymore | clock: nah, no offense. You can be as gay or straight as you want. No matter to me. I like my 5'8" brown eyed wife though, so its TnA all the way for me :) |
| 11:17.20 | clock_ | claymore: I understood in metal forges :) |
| 11:18.05 | iandaletter | clock_: due to large geometrical dimensions, e.g. casted metal could have cavities, that's why e.g. coefficient of reliability reaches 5-6 ration. not e.g. 1.5-2 as in cars - the only difference. "thicker" - right word |
| 11:18.30 | clock_ | iandaletter: you don't test the metal with x-rays? |
| 11:18.42 | claymore | Cool. I worked with a guy in the navy who got a job making equipment that performs checks on the machines that perform checks on the machines that make pharmacutical products. He loves describing his job just to confuse people :) |
| 11:18.59 | clock_ | sounds like multiple levels o recursion |
| 11:19.36 | clock_ | My father worked in the atomic clock department. |
| 11:19.42 | claymore | he gets paid very well. I am rather jealous. |
| 11:19.57 | clock_ | They had like a 20m well into the ground and an atomic clock on the bottom. To ensure maximum possible environmental stability. |
| 11:20.36 | clock_ | And they had a lot of oscilloscopes counters phase locked loops and signal comparators and made the national time standard for the whole country. |
| 11:20.54 | clock_ | Even the horizontal retrace of all television channels were synchronized to this so you could get atomic time from you TV set. |
| 11:21.11 | iandaletter | clock_: no, usually... it is not really needed - most of equipment has been designed long ago... ain proportions and so on. Now it's fea and "longevity / pit stops" |
| 11:22.58 | iandaletter | "main proportions" |
| 11:23.12 | clock_ | iandaletter: do you use BRL-CAD to design your monstrous machines? |
| 11:25.18 | iandaletter | no, it is usually AutoCAD - but now, when internet access is well ...possible for everyone - we can not use pyrate software in firms... People at home can use it still. I'm about BRL-cad, QCAD, blender, and www.code-aster.org soon |
| 11:25.50 | claymore | is learning blender. |
| 11:26.11 | clock_ | what is code-aster? It's in French I don't understand |
| 11:26.31 | clock_ | iandaletter: I use BRL-CAD and qcad on my DIY garage made optical wireless data link 10Mbps full duplex 1.4km |
| 11:26.39 | iandaletter | Do you know Finite Element Method? FEA or FEM - this and continual modifications to get good "longevity/ pit stops" ratio - all what we do |
| 11:27.00 | clock_ | FEM yes you divide into small pieces and then calculate the mechanical parameters |
| 11:27.47 | iandaletter | clock_: i can not even download it... it's in french, but i will use it and other free programs instead of non-cheao ANSYS.com |
| 11:28.45 | claymore | |
| 11:29.11 | iandaletter | impact.sourceforge.net - for crush tests, written on java, it works with shells and geuz.org/gmsh/ mesher |
| 11:30.47 | iandaletter | clock_: "DIY"? |
| 11:30.54 | clock_ | iandaletter: Do It Yourself |
| 11:31.08 | iandaletter | ah! |
| 11:31.59 | iandaletter | my old PC was "RIY" with couple coolers'n'such in store |
| 11:32.32 | claymore | okay, my turn... RIY == ?? |
| 11:33.09 | iandaletter | Repair it yourself |
| 11:33.36 | clock_ | I bought factory new skateboard trucks and they were RIY |
| 11:33.41 | clock_ | Repair The Faulty Design Yourself |
| 11:33.42 | iandaletter | and now it's a laptop, and by now i hate computers |
| 11:33.59 | claymore | ah, lol. |
| 11:34.06 | clock_ | They left unmachined casted surface in a place where the ball bearings required precisely prependicular surface |
| 11:34.27 | claymore | I am getting ready to make the switch from laptop back to desktop as my primary machine. |
| 11:34.33 | clock_ | I had to file 4 these surfaces and 4 nuts (also crooked) down to prevent the bearings from being destroyed |
| 11:35.03 | clock_ | claymore: I did the same |
| 11:35.15 | iandaletter | uh... I have bought K2 sk8board for 50$ instead of 150$ - promo model - someone'd groung tails a bit... |
| 11:35.37 | clock_ | claymore: Especially at home I have a dual CPU high performance desktop since I render BRL-CAD videos for my hobby project. |
| 11:35.57 | iandaletter | clock_: claymore: I hate computers by now... |
| 11:36.03 | clock_ | iandaletter: I have a G&S Stacy Peralta Warp Tail 2 reissue |
| 11:36.50 | claymore | wow, you use brlcad for videos? got any samples to see? |
| 11:37.00 | iandaletter | don;t know brands... i used to biking, but this thing has no brakes! |
| 11:38.50 | iandaletter | we have no much asphalt... for a while... |
| 11:39.42 | clock_ | claymore: http://ronja.twibright.com/3d/all.ogg |
| 11:40.17 | iandaletter | clock_: I have ABEC 5 and people say it is a bit fast for freestyle - and soon it will be even faster. I'm from http://pastime-one.livejournal.com/ |
| 11:40.20 | clock_ | claymore: sorry, the video is empty. I have to fix it. |
| 11:40.30 | clock_ | iandaletter: I have Bones Swiss. |
| 11:40.57 | claymore | clock: no problem, but can you put it in either mpeg or avi? I am at work and don't have the ability to view ogg. |
| 11:40.58 | clock_ | you regulate speed by crappiness of the bearings? |
| 11:41.10 | clock_ | I thought the job of bearings is to reduce friction as close to 0 as possible. |
| 11:41.25 | clock_ | claymore: no. I tried mpeg but the mpeg encoder shifted sound and video. |
| 11:42.13 | clock_ | If I stop maintaining Ronja for a month always some things screw up |
| 11:42.34 | clock_ | This time it was the fucking video. |
| 11:42.39 | iandaletter | well, i don't really know... Only know opinions - while i'm just skating. I like flatland as Rodney Mullen - and "rally" to somewhere thru every bit of asphalt |
| 11:42.47 | clock_ | I fix my skateboard and my BRL-CAD video breaks. |
| 11:42.53 | clock_ | Life is like the 15 game. |
| 11:43.16 | clock_ | is nowhere as far in skateboarding as Rodney Mullen |
| 11:44.56 | iandaletter | clock_: you mean you can less... I'm too - for a while... I like to spend time this way. Earlier, i liked e.g. brooks + mountain bicycle |
| 11:45.16 | clock_ | iandaletter: I can less |
| 11:45.27 | clock_ | All I can do is some kind of almost-bert like Jay Adams |
| 11:45.51 | clock_ | http://www.purplemoon.ch/upics/124/u_875810.jpg |
| 11:45.56 | clock_ | http://www.purplemoon.ch/upics/160/u_875808.jpg |
| 11:46.32 | iandaletter | i don't know jay Adams, but sk8 - it is a way to spend time as kids do. No, i can not handle pics with my current internet access |
| 11:47.03 | iandaletter | later, save as bookmarks |
| 11:47.20 | clock_ | iandaletter: build a Ronja and you'll be able to stream DVD video realtime! |
| 11:47.42 | clock_ | but only if the next hop has as strong connection as well ;-) |
| 11:48.05 | clock_ | iandaletter: Jay Adams is one of the best skaters ever |
| 11:48.14 | iandaletter | i'm on GPRS it is digital-thru-GMS on mobile cell phone |
| 11:49.28 | iandaletter | i don;t have cheap internet to have a good pastime in the internet... I saw videos only in licensed games of Tony Hawk's Pro Skater |
| 11:51.45 | claymore | how much do you pay for your internet service ianda? |
| 11:52.19 | iandaletter | us $ for 10 mb at night or 5 mb at day |
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| 12:20.10 | iandalette1 | connection check |
| 12:20.18 | claymore | connection check sat. |
| 12:21.30 | iandalette1 | roger |
| 12:45.36 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r32797 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/bot_dump.c: Added code to dump sat files. |
| 12:57.41 | ``Erik | fights the urge to pull up his bank account and apples store site in windows next to eachother O.o |
| 12:58.25 | claymore | have it both ways: Give in to the urge to buy something, but then give it to someone... like me! |
| 12:58.28 | claymore | muwahaha |
| 12:58.30 | ``Erik | and, claymore, you're doing it wrong, when someone says SYN, you say ACK, then they say ACK back |
| 12:58.40 | claymore | attempts a Jedi Mind Trick. |
| 12:59.14 | claymore | lol. Rule #1: Never tell a Sub Electrician how to do phone comms ;) |
| 12:59.25 | ``Erik | <-- looks at modem |
| 12:59.31 | ``Erik | dis ain't sat comm, boy |
| 12:59.44 | claymore | no one said it is. |
| 12:59.50 | archivist_ub | sets rts |
| 13:00.12 | claymore | oh no, someone set the channel to RealTime Strategy! |
| 13:00.13 | ``Erik | rule #0xff14: never tell intarweb nerd details of ip |
| 13:00.56 | claymore | lulz. ip == ?? in this case? |
| 13:01.32 | ``Erik | I've tuned 300 baud modems to crank about 900 bps, I've decided things like psnuke were inferior and rewrote them to be more brutal |
| 13:01.37 | ``Erik | internet protocol |
| 13:01.53 | ``Erik | ip/tcp is probably the inferior format you've seen |
| 13:02.03 | *** join/#brlcad claymore_ (n=claymore@bz.bzflag.bz) | |
| 13:02.14 | claymore_ | well that was strange. |
| 13:02.21 | ``Erik | apparently claymore fails IP rules |
| 13:02.22 | ``Erik | :D |
| 13:02.25 | archivist_ub | rtty on the PET was entertaining |
| 13:02.50 | ``Erik | zmodem, ymodem, kermit... I think I mostly used y |
| 13:02.54 | ``Erik | it was a LONG time ago |
| 13:03.04 | claymore_ | who'd thought dropping a bottle of Mt Dew on a keyboard would have such an effect.... |
| 13:03.18 | ``Erik | the z80 cp/m box was amusing, but I really grooved on the c64 |
| 13:03.52 | claymore_ | did you have a tape drive or two? |
| 13:04.05 | ``Erik | had hayes 300 and 1200 rs232 modems, I was badass :D |
| 13:04.22 | ``Erik | no, even in '83, with the coleco adam, my dad bought a disk drive.... |
| 13:04.54 | ``Erik | the disk drive on the coleco never worked. Period. So we used 4track there, but the commie disks worked like a charm |
| 13:04.55 | claymore_ | lol. I think my first modem was a hayes 1200. Can't really remember. Only used it to play games :) |
| 13:04.58 | clock_ | is watching Iggy Pop: Passenger on an 30 MHz analog oscilloscope |
| 13:05.17 | claymore_ | thinks clock needs to get out more ;) |
| 13:05.18 | ``Erik | a couple 1541's, a couple 1571's, a precious 1581 |
| 13:05.43 | ``Erik | I was a bbs sysop in the late 80's |
| 13:05.56 | claymore_ | wow you must be OLD. |
| 13:06.00 | claymore_ | :) |
| 13:06.19 | ``Erik | we were a scary group. A bunch of adult males who couldn't get laid. it was a scary time. |
| 13:06.24 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r32799 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/bot_dump.c: ws, indent |
| 13:06.44 | clock_ | claymore: get out like outside or into society? |
| 13:06.49 | ``Erik | and I'm only a year older than you, claymore |
| 13:06.56 | claymore_ | lets see... what was I doing in the late 80's... oh thats right, middle school :) |
| 13:07.22 | ``Erik | '76 representin', yo! |
| 13:07.26 | ``Erik | *sob* |
| 13:07.29 | claymore_ | clock: just away from the o-scope :) |
| 13:07.35 | archivist_ub | ``Erik, is a youngster |
| 13:07.48 | claymore_ | erik: 77 was better: First apple, first Starwars movie..... you missed it by a year imo :P |
| 13:08.12 | ``Erik | I was at the very first screening of starwars, tyvm |
| 13:08.36 | ``Erik | and, uh, bicentenial, yo? or is the nation inferior to a pathetic 8b micro? |
| 13:08.37 | claymore_ | wonders why Erik just admitted to that... |
| 13:09.00 | archivist_ub | went to see 2001 |
| 13:09.02 | ``Erik | NERDCORE! |
| 13:09.09 | claymore_ | I am aspiring to see the tricentennial. |
| 13:09.29 | ``Erik | at this point, I'd be impressed if there was one :( |
| 13:09.29 | claymore_ | wow. 2001, thats one acid trip of a movie. :) |
| 13:10.00 | ``Erik | I like the middle of it.. monkey land was .. kinda lame, and space baby was... wtf |
| 13:10.15 | claymore_ | I might have to celebrate it while hiding from the lynch mobs or in a bomb shelter, but i am still planning on being there :) |
| 13:10.56 | claymore_ | my opinion was that good old Stanley K had a good script going but dropped a few tabs of acid 3 pages from the end. |
| 13:11.00 | ``Erik | the travesty, though, was AI |
| 13:11.17 | ``Erik | kubrick wrote a fucking goddamn brillian dysoptic story |
| 13:11.29 | claymore_ | erik: the new movie with that 6th sense kid? |
| 13:11.42 | ``Erik | '01 |
| 13:11.54 | ``Erik | speilberg directed the original screenplay disturbingly well |
| 13:11.59 | ``Erik | but then the story ends... |
| 13:12.09 | ``Erik | and... then... speilburgs writing shows up... and... it sucked |
| 13:12.21 | claymore_ | ah. yeah. I didnt get 2001 until i watched 2001 and 2010 back to back, like 7 times in a row. Then the whole Genesis idea kicked in and I got it. lol |
| 13:12.28 | *** join/#brlcad mafm (n=mafm@elnet-111.lip.pt) | |
| 13:13.33 | ``Erik | seriously, if you watch ai, when the brat is at the bottom and it does the slow fade to black, turn it off! that is seriously the end of the movie. the shit after that is just gratouitous cg wankery to make a disney ending out of a zomfg awesome story |
| 13:13.38 | claymore_ | and thats strange because Shpeilburg's made some really good movies... |
| 13:14.02 | mafm | hello |
| 13:14.13 | claymore_ | I will have to remember that if I ever bring myself to watch it... |
| 13:14.19 | claymore_ | mafm: hai! |
| 13:14.22 | ``Erik | eh, they were awesome when I was 10 |
| 13:14.23 | ``Erik | ... |
| 13:14.50 | claymore_ | Schindler's list still haunts me to this day. Watched it once. Dunno if i can watch it again. |
| 13:14.59 | ``Erik | that was a good movie |
| 13:15.08 | mafm | ``Erik: which is the status of the debian package? |
| 13:15.11 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r32800 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/ (8 files in 3 dirs): ws |
| 13:15.21 | ``Erik | when I was in highschool, they bussed everyone to the theater to see it |
| 13:16.16 | claymore_ | Saving Private Ryan, although somewhat weak on plot, was a visual punch in the face. My gramps, who was at ohmaha beach, had to leave the room. |
| 13:16.40 | ``Erik | mafm, the debian machine I had access to has been port blocked for months. all my freshmeat entries have been deleted. They say it's because of some 'hacker' software, and I hav ea gut feelign that they're seeing the self policing crap instituted after the box was hacked, years ago |
| 13:17.29 | ``Erik | that was an interesting flick, the big issue with that seemed to be everyone arguing about the first half hour, calling it gratuitous violence... I think it was a clever way to set the brutal ugly mood of the era |
| 13:18.03 | ``Erik | y'know, war ain't pretty, ladies, it's a lot of ugly followed up by more ugly |
| 13:18.49 | claymore_ | oh dear god... imdb says there is a Jurassic Park 4 in the works..... *slams head on desk* |
| 13:19.29 | ``Erik | now, help me remember, both shindlers list and saving private ryan were zomfg real stories, right? |
| 13:19.51 | mafm | ``Erik: is it just a matter of using your scripts and building, or do you think that more substantial work is needed? |
| 13:19.56 | ``Erik | so there was no actual crative writing in those? just emulation? |
| 13:20.04 | claymore_ | erik: Pretty sure, yeah. I know they were based on real stories, but I don't know how accurate they are. |
| 13:20.25 | ``Erik | the debian package stuff I wrote was sufficient at the time I wrote it, I can't imagine things changing that much |
| 13:21.10 | ``Erik | well, dave, when AI fades to black at the end then goes into the alien thing, it gets... really fucking lame |
| 13:21.17 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r32801 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: add support for color and vectors to pnts so it can be announced |
| 13:21.56 | ``Erik | it was genious up to that point, then got retarded... so retarded, I had to look it up... and, uh, that shift point was where kubrick stopped writing and speilburg picked itup |
| 13:22.31 | ``Erik | they said that kubricks manuscript was incomplete, I think it actually was complete, it was a good morbid end |
| 13:22.46 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r32802 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: need to wrap up revolve too |
| 13:23.19 | claymore_ | probably right. EVERYONE wants a Disney ending nowadays. |
| 13:23.46 | claymore_ | One thing i liked about the Terminator series: 3 movies thus far and they still can't stop the world from being destroyed, lol. |
| 13:23.59 | ``Erik | I think it's a movie worth watching, it really is terrific... but if I were in the room, I'd walk out or hit hte stop button with 20 minutes left, cuz that's where the story ends |
| 13:24.21 | ``Erik | erm, if they do, then the events of the first never occur... :D |
| 13:24.30 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r32803 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: cliff now has the docs autogenerating, at least a good first stab at it |
| 13:24.58 | mafm | ``Erik: I could try to build them for ia32 and amd64 if you help me :) |
| 13:25.09 | claymore_ | Ill put in on my list. The wife picked up Ironman yesterday. not as impressed as the hype had me antcipating it. |
| 13:25.26 | ``Erik | all I can do is offer advice, mafm, with that box gone, I'm all bsd and mac |
| 13:25.47 | ``Erik | I was surprised with how amusing 'tropic thunder' was |
| 13:26.18 | mafm | ``Erik: he |
| 13:26.30 | mafm | ``Erik: yep, that's mostly what I need :) |
| 13:26.35 | ``Erik | robert downey jr was in it, he's the dude who played iron man, right? |
| 13:26.50 | claymore_ | erik: right. |
| 13:27.08 | claymore_ | CG was good... okay, CG was awesome, but the plot wasn't well balanced. |
| 13:27.22 | ``Erik | I was saddened by the transformers movie |
| 13:27.27 | claymore_ | they spent a bulk o fht emovie developing characters and the last 30 minutes telling the story. |
| 13:27.40 | ``Erik | there was no plot, and they boned the legacy |
| 13:27.44 | claymore_ | Really? Did you actually expect anything other than eye candy? |
| 13:27.50 | claymore_ | I sure didn't |
| 13:28.07 | ``Erik | well, I kinda didn't expect my childhood to be bent over and rammed without lube |
| 13:28.38 | claymore_ | I didn't really pay attention to the plot. I was focused on the CG and Megan Fox... with Michael Bay at the helm, I knew the movie was going to have a weak ass plot. |
| 13:28.44 | ``Erik | but, yeah, michael bay movie... |
| 13:28.53 | ``Erik | what I'm really amused by, though |
| 13:29.09 | ``Erik | is my gf is a huge dbz fan, and mike bay is doing a dbz live action movie |
| 13:29.26 | claymore_ | serious? Sounds like you got a keep then. |
| 13:29.27 | ``Erik | so I'm all over that, y'knwo BWAAAAAHAHHAHHA YOU'RE GONNA GET THE BAY TREATMENT! |
| 13:29.57 | claymore_ | and... i will have to look that up. But dbz's fate is pretty much sealed. |
| 13:30.25 | ``Erik | well, y'know, you get mebbe 70 minutes of grunting and powering up to super saiyan |
| 13:30.28 | ``Erik | then, uh |
| 13:30.32 | ``Erik | some explosion or something |
| 13:30.34 | ``Erik | movies over |
| 13:30.58 | claymore_ | lol |
| 13:31.00 | ``Erik | isn't that how the animated series worked? |
| 13:31.40 | claymore_ | according to imdb, Bay is working on remakes of: Friday the 13th, The Birds, and a nightmare on Elm Street... |
| 13:31.41 | ``Erik | sorry, if you're talking anime, give me y'know, ghostin the shell or cowboy bebop |
| 13:32.14 | claymore_ | ah... I have limited exposure to anime, but GitS and Vampire Hunter D are my current favs. |
| 13:32.32 | claymore_ | Well, the animatrix also, if you can count that. |
| 13:32.35 | ``Erik | odddd, there was an anouncement that he was doing dbz, and a LOT of public outcry |
| 13:32.50 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r32804 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/bot_dump.c: braces |
| 13:34.12 | claymore_ | well, thats not all he's doing, but just 3 of the interesting ones. didn't see dbz on there, but then again imdb is 100% accurate all the time. |
| 13:35.09 | ``Erik | special effects are lovely and all, but I want a story... bay just doesn't do that |
| 13:35.50 | claymore_ | true. |
| 13:35.53 | ``Erik | I mean, loaded in my dvd player right now... kung fu |
| 13:36.11 | ``Erik | the story and backdrop are immense |
| 13:36.30 | ``Erik | but it's, y'know, a cheesy 70's western tv show as far as effects go |
| 13:36.38 | claymore_ | I can forego plan if there is enough awesome cg, fight scenes and hot women ...;) |
| 13:36.50 | claymore_ | so you're at home today> |
| 13:36.57 | ``Erik | I used to, I can't anymore |
| 13:37.06 | ``Erik | yeah, I called in sick, was feeling shoddy when I got up |
| 13:37.41 | claymore_ | based on all the commits, i think Sean won't be in today either ;) |
| 13:38.08 | ``Erik | he does what he does, no one knows when he'll be in |
| 13:38.37 | ``Erik | if they say "hey! you're presenting at a ttm!" he seems to show up, but *shrug* |
| 13:38.50 | claymore_ | truth be told, I am fighting a killer headache. Haivng trouble focusing. Perhaps thats just because i forgot my meds.... |
| 13:39.28 | ``Erik | ok, dude, it's not meds if it involves a mirror, razer and straw. |
| 13:39.33 | ``Erik | :D *duck* |
| 13:39.38 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r32805 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/bot_dump.c: refactor and simplify, write the number of triangles inside write_bot_stl_binary instead of reseeking afterwards |
| 13:39.50 | starseeker | will be heading in in a few minutes, once his headache is under control |
| 13:40.01 | claymore_ | shhhhhh damnit erik! |
| 13:40.43 | claymore_ | its getting to the point where we will need to rename the channel #sickbay |
| 13:41.31 | ``Erik | "why is there a postit with sickbay written on it on the aft starboard airlock?" |
| 13:41.33 | claymore_ | ponders on ways to get Cliff addicted to AE as well... |
| 13:41.43 | claymore_ | lol |
| 13:42.00 | iandaletter | starseeker: you need to get a fruit smoothie |
| 13:42.15 | starseeker | winces |
| 13:42.35 | ``Erik | bites his tongue on the obscene perverted comment fighting to escape |
| 13:42.42 | iandaletter | oh, starseeker, don't wince |
| 13:42.52 | iandaletter | we're with you! |
| 13:42.59 | claymore_ | ... |
| 13:43.13 | claymore_ | speak for yourself :) |
| 13:43.29 | claymore_ | I am withholdin help until i find out why he is wincing. |
| 13:43.38 | starseeker | iandaletter: I did take a look at your translation stuff - thank you for sending it. |
| 13:43.48 | starseeker | is wincing at the idea of a smoothie with a headache |
| 13:44.10 | starseeker | iandaletter: I'm preparing a docbook template to use for commands, which should work regardless of language |
| 13:44.15 | claymore_ | just heat it up in a microwave. |
| 13:44.53 | ``Erik | I, uh, have to walk away before I type something that'll make i leave the channel again :D bbiab |
| 13:45.28 | starseeker | iandaletter: The structure will be one file per command, and we'll set up directories for the various languages ala firebird |
| 13:45.51 | claymore_ | ah.... eye candy: http://www.scifi-meshes.com/gallery/showfull.php?photo=2327 |
| 13:45.53 | starseeker | this lets us generate man pages, html, and pdf from a single source file |
| 13:46.26 | iandaletter | starseeker: have you checked an email? |
| 13:46.34 | starseeker | Yesterday or today? |
| 13:46.40 | iandaletter | then "main" variant |
| 13:46.48 | starseeker | yes, main variant |
| 13:46.54 | iandaletter | well, "my today" |
| 13:46.57 | starseeker | heh |
| 13:47.21 | iandaletter | don't know... when just, the last one |
| 13:47.46 | iandaletter | and a bit more plain formatting than in old mged cmd index, right? |
| 13:48.32 | starseeker | It will be similar to the search example in doc/docbook/system/man1 |
| 13:49.08 | starseeker | I'll put up a template later today |
| 13:50.04 | iandaletter | ok, i'm on it... just finishing another translation, 2nd of 2 |
| 13:50.12 | starseeker | :-) |
| 13:51.11 | starseeker | gears up for the drive in |
| 13:51.41 | iandaletter | i'll se a template - and offer few first commands in it... but can not download files for using docbook file format under openoffice. It will be html with proper formatting at the start... Then i will save it as docbook. |
| 13:53.07 | brlcad | heya mafm |
| 13:53.15 | brlcad | and iandaletter, how goes it? |
| 13:54.40 | ``Erik | nice pic, claymore, what series/movie? 'ikula' is a russian sub designation, foxhound is overloaded :/ |
| 13:55.14 | brlcad | iandaletter: does OO read docbook? |
| 13:55.16 | ``Erik | akula, rather |
| 13:55.44 | iandaletter | brlcad: i've sent an example to starseeker. Next evening i'll have checked the way it must be formatted. Then the main work will have been started. My floss -translation are finished as 190% of whole 200% |
| 13:55.46 | claymore_ | its an original work from a guy named Coolhand who frequents that site. I think he is either russian or has a love of russian military assets since ALL of his projects have Russian designations to them. |
| 13:56.02 | iandaletter | brlcad: don't know yet, will see |
| 13:56.05 | ``Erik | ah, damn impressive |
| 13:56.49 | claymore_ | his designs are my current fav. check out his profile/gallery. lots more where that come from. The detail on those ships.... must have taken months to do. |
| 13:56.52 | ``Erik | I'll have to talk to the dude about cover art when I decide I'm destined to be a great scifi author :D |
| 13:57.59 | claymore_ | lol |
| 13:58.07 | claymore_ | have you made any short stories yet? |
| 13:58.09 | iandaletter | but i like to produce something "in hands"... don't really love computers... only a help to support documentation, and to design something |
| 13:58.16 | ``Erik | hell no, I hate writing |
| 13:58.18 | brlcad | iandaletter: okay, cool -- lemme know because if it can, that'd be pretty useful to set up some default style templates for easy editing |
| 13:58.29 | ``Erik | I haven't even done my accomplishments yet |
| 13:58.29 | iandaletter | ok |
| 13:58.36 | brlcad | iandaletter: working on docs is a huge help, thanks :) |
| 13:58.39 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r32806 10/brlcad/trunk/ (8 files in 4 dirs): |
| 13:58.39 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: bot-raw is killed now that bot_dump pretty much replaces its functionality. |
| 13:58.39 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: there is some potentially significant differences, though, that should be |
| 13:58.39 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: reconciled (bob?) in the output format (like why bot-raw was outputting the |
| 13:58.39 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: vertex count but bot_dump does not) |
| 13:58.50 | iandaletter | ok |
| 13:59.21 | claymore_ | lol |
| 14:00.34 | iandaletter | claymore: comics911 at wordpress.com - my doubtful stuff |
| 14:01.09 | ``Erik | I have the kernel of a book on my drive, but it's not really a fiction, it's kinda a physics book from a fictive view... "physics for the interplanetary traveler", goes into newtonian and kepler style physics with a semi-pragmatic mindset |
| 14:01.35 | ``Erik | tongue in cheek comedy style |
| 14:01.37 | claymore_ | So a compendium for Hitchhikers Guide? :) |
| 14:01.48 | ``Erik | yeah, actually, exactly |
| 14:01.54 | claymore_ | nice. |
| 14:02.17 | ``Erik | but I stopped about five years ago |
| 14:02.33 | iandaletter | ``Erik: you write a book... well, i thought about it, too |
| 14:02.33 | claymore_ | Eddie, the flamboyany ships computer.... that had me nearly pissing myself.... lol |
| 14:03.06 | ``Erik | the recent movie that came out really didn't do justice to the books |
| 14:03.26 | iandaletter | about my book... but always remind Zigmund Freid's psychological sublimation... |
| 14:03.48 | claymore_ | haven't seen it yet, kinda don't want to... |
| 14:03.51 | ``Erik | in, uh, 2002, I actually got pulled out of line because I had the hhgg paperback with me, the foil on the cover set off the metal detecter |
| 14:04.10 | iandaletter | ``Erik: can a date of publishing to be some kind of a copyright? |
| 14:04.29 | ``Erik | so I put my held belongings down on a seat and they wanded me for a while, before figuring out it was my book |
| 14:05.01 | ``Erik | amusingly, my dad had a book with him and was using a carbon fiber knife as a bookmark, forgot to take it out... he went through no problem |
| 14:06.04 | ``Erik | iandaletter: us copyright law states that copywrite is implicit, with date of publishing being the official date for the length |
| 14:06.17 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r32807 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: it looks like bot-bldxf outputs a much better dxf than bot_dump, the two should be merged |
| 14:06.31 | ``Erik | was changed to implicit in the 70's I think |
| 14:06.49 | brlcad | ``Erik: was (fix metaball "shelling" issue) fixed? what is that? |
| 14:06.54 | iandaletter | i mean publishing on e.g. livejournal dot com |
| 14:07.22 | brlcad | and "extend metaball control info beyond simple points" (?) |
| 14:07.25 | ``Erik | no, never fixed, um, the primitive inverted weirdly |
| 14:07.39 | ``Erik | nope, I put in teh stubs to do lines, but not the intersect code |
| 14:08.11 | ``Erik | the shelling issue is that ellipsoid where I cut a cube out of it and it looked hollow inside |
| 14:08.49 | ``Erik | I was instructed to ignore it and work on other things :/ |
| 14:08.52 | brlcad | how's that inverted? |
| 14:09.06 | ``Erik | uhhhh, are you in the office? |
| 14:09.15 | brlcad | not yet |
| 14:09.28 | brlcad | after lunch |
| 14:09.36 | ``Erik | ok, on the, uh, web server, in my home dir is a metaballs dir, one of those pics shows the issue |
| 14:09.56 | ``Erik | if I knew what it did what it did, it'd be fixed |
| 14:10.15 | brlcad | I get what you mean by it looking hollow, just not how that equates to inverted |
| 14:10.28 | ``Erik | but the shell thickness is an artifact of the 'step past' value |
| 14:11.21 | ``Erik | probably my ugly stepping algorithm being not quite right, it makes the first intersection, then imagines everything else to be below threshold or something |
| 14:12.06 | iandaletter | i.ve decide to go to sleep |
| 14:12.09 | *** part/#brlcad iandaletter (n=asus@217.118.79.37) | |
| 14:12.21 | ``Erik | I assumed the water ball test meant it was all keen, I think I made a mistake there |
| 14:13.31 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r32808 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: expand the metaball items a little so I hopefully knows what they be later |
| 14:14.26 | ``Erik | bah, I know what they mean, and no one else cares :D |
| 14:14.42 | ``Erik | I thought I put verbose notes, uh, somewhere |
| 14:16.25 | brlcad | you knowing what they mean doesn't help me (and I care:P) |
| 14:16.52 | ``Erik | well, with the shelling, if you subtract on it, it's not solid inside, it looks like a shell... |
| 14:17.42 | ``Erik | and I was hoping to make lines and triangles valid control surfaces instead of simple points, so like a line could be run down a rotor blade or something |
| 14:18.23 | ``Erik | I think I added an expandable last term to the struct with a second point as an example |
| 14:19.23 | ``Erik | just didn't add the distance logic in the code |
| 14:20.06 | ``Erik | in theory, being able to call any arbitrary geometry a control surface would be gnarly |
| 14:20.43 | ``Erik | but the point strength function would need the ability to compute the distance to the nearest point on that surface |
| 14:20.46 | claymore_ | did you just say 'gnarly' ? |
| 14:20.58 | ``Erik | yes... yes I did... SHUT UP |
| 14:22.07 | claymore_ | hahahaha |
| 14:22.15 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r32811 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/articles/oed/oed.xml: Oops - put the image links for oed back where they should be. This leaves only tire to fix up. |
| 14:22.33 | brlcad | mm, blobify a bot could be an interesting way to heal mesh geometry, close up thin gaps via medial-axis remeshing |
| 14:24.27 | ``Erik | be damn slow without excessive cleverness |
| 14:24.49 | brlcad | healing geometry is a one-stop job usually |
| 14:25.18 | ``Erik | also; the pain of communicating that the right way to use that primitive to s2 is NOT to think of rays was... brutal |
| 14:25.55 | ``Erik | I had to give her the zomfg drop in code twice |
| 14:28.29 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r32813 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: already covered a brief mged intro doc in the docs section below |
| 14:28.31 | ``Erik | I'm out of funding for pushing adrt, but I think I need to keep doing it :/ |
| 14:30.18 | brlcad | so do it |
| 14:30.37 | brlcad | that's like the biggest payoff tool around atm |
| 14:31.25 | brlcad | if it "just worked", it'd be really useful even at slow refresh rates |
| 14:32.24 | ``Erik | yeah, but I get yelled at for working on unfunded shit |
| 14:32.59 | ``Erik | and I need to prove that I did awesome things for it, like, today, actually |
| 14:34.00 | brlcad | making it runnable would be a great way to do that ;) |
| 14:34.07 | ``Erik | heh, it does run |
| 14:34.12 | ``Erik | most of it, anyways O.o |
| 14:34.14 | brlcad | it does? |
| 14:34.20 | ``Erik | has for six months |
| 14:34.24 | ``Erik | I demo'd it to pjt |
| 14:34.37 | ``Erik | without a fbsd cluster, even :D |
| 14:35.06 | brlcad | how do you run it? |
| 14:36.14 | ``Erik | um, you luck out by having a mysql database with the appropriate data, you run adrt_master, then 'adrt_slave localhost', and isst, tell isst all the right info |
| 14:36.32 | ``Erik | cross your fingers, sacrifice a chicken, and mebbe you see a t62 or stryker |
| 14:37.01 | brlcad | heh |
| 14:37.57 | ``Erik | cut view and shotline don't work yet, my next push is to let it grab a .g file and eliminate the mysql thing, then I might tie the rendering engine straight into the isst binary, so the entire network architecture becomes superfluous |
| 14:38.46 | ``Erik | a single 8 core mac pro runs like a fucking champ with insane geometry, I'm thinking the tide has turned against distributed once again |
| 14:39.08 | brlcad | mm, no isst binary |
| 14:39.21 | brlcad | though adrt_* do seem to run without puking |
| 14:39.35 | brlcad | what's it doing if I don't have a db?? |
| 14:39.40 | ``Erik | it's not in the sf repo, some of the names are inappropriate |
| 14:39.59 | ``Erik | adrt_master and adrt_slave will fire up, but once isst sends the load geometry command, it'll vomit |
| 14:40.09 | ``Erik | isst is in svn on the, uh, internal web server |
| 14:40.45 | ``Erik | the only reason I haven't renamed things and made a .po file to unrename is because it uses gtk+ |
| 14:40.46 | brlcad | working on that sounds so much more interesting than ef |
| 14:40.57 | brlcad | needs to stop procrastinating |
| 14:41.12 | ``Erik | is a gtk+ app permissable in the BRL-CAD repo? |
| 14:41.28 | brlcad | god, no |
| 14:41.39 | ``Erik | then there ya go, that's why you don't have isst |
| 14:41.45 | brlcad | i mean separate module, sure |
| 14:41.56 | ``Erik | hrm, *ponder* |
| 14:42.13 | ``Erik | I imagine moving it to libfb/tk would be nice |
| 14:42.28 | brlcad | could even make it use ogre |
| 14:42.30 | ``Erik | lee has argued that it cannot work since tk doesn't update fast enough, but I think he's blowing smoke |
| 14:42.35 | brlcad | that'd probably be just as easy |
| 14:42.46 | brlcad | yeah, that sounds like hogwash |
| 14:43.12 | ``Erik | well, he's in brady mode, jumping up and down going "manta manta manta!" |
| 14:43.21 | brlcad | now I'd believe libfb having some bottleneck in there depending on the buffering mode you go into |
| 14:43.44 | ``Erik | tk's update frequence was the specific thing he zeroed in on |
| 14:44.14 | ``Erik | and if it matters, libfb can be fixed |
| 14:45.06 | brlcad | if they can get this working, tk's not the problem: http://www.eso.org/~archeso/skycat/rtd/rtd.4.html |
| 14:45.27 | ``Erik | when you get in the office, make sure to hack src/adrt/slave/Makefile to have the mysql cflags, libs, and -DHAVE_MYSQL=1 |
| 14:45.41 | brlcad | yeah, the performance in libfb is just silly memcpy'ing and inefficiencies that haven't ever mattered before |
| 14:45.49 | ``Erik | and compile the isst binary with, uh, I think it's -DHAX=1 |
| 14:45.54 | brlcad | doesn't want mysql |
| 14:46.09 | ``Erik | that's the only way the slave nodes can acquire the data at the moment |
| 14:46.25 | ``Erik | twinky gutted the file approach and went all mysql |
| 14:46.26 | brlcad | hell, it'd probably be easier (for me at least) to hook in .g parsing than set up the mysql backend |
| 14:46.43 | ``Erik | it's there, the db is on the amd64 fbsd box |
| 14:46.50 | ``Erik | just hack the makefile and go |
| 14:46.56 | brlcad | oh wow, xslt actually built the docs for me |
| 14:47.35 | ``Erik | making it grok specially prepped .g files is my next big move, though |
| 14:48.26 | ``Erik | with the insane overhead of the tree generation, I'm half wondering if I need to add a 'last modified' field to all nodes :/ |
| 14:49.25 | ``Erik | so I can store the kdtree info in the .g itself, and only regenerate it on change |
| 14:49.54 | brlcad | holdy crapoldy, the doc html generation actually worked too |
| 14:49.57 | brlcad | ~starseeker++ |
| 14:50.07 | brlcad | prepped .g files? |
| 14:50.13 | ``Erik | wait, what? cliff did something right? O.o |
| 14:50.15 | ``Erik | :D |
| 14:50.39 | ``Erik | yeah, all bot, with a special command to generate the kdtree cache |
| 14:50.44 | claymore_ | be nice! |
| 14:51.16 | brlcad | adding a timestamp attribute to the database would be interesting to test .. our slick low-overhead I/O on .g's might get screwed a little, would need some testing |
| 14:51.48 | brlcad | otherwise, could simply just create some binary hash object that had the prepped kdtree and the hashes for the geometry they correspond to |
| 14:51.50 | ``Erik | hey, cliff went from the land of hovercars that you tell your destination and sit back to the odd world of cranking the engine by hand to get it started... i'm surprised he's adapting to the primitive world so well |
| 14:51.57 | brlcad | then you wouldn't need to change the geometry format |
| 14:52.35 | ``Erik | my fear is that I make an 'all.g |
| 14:53.21 | brlcad | i fear you doing that too |
| 14:53.24 | ``Erik | in ktank, hit the funky buttons to make it all bots, get an all.f or whatever, generate th kdtree cache, move something and regenerate teh kdtree |
| 14:53.52 | brlcad | all.f ? |
| 14:54.14 | ``Erik | but if I don't think to regenerate the kdtree, it's irrelevant and suddenly I'm missing crap that should exist |
| 14:54.18 | ``Erik | yeah, facets |
| 14:54.23 | brlcad | ah |
| 14:54.33 | ``Erik | I've taken to the behavior of calling facetized objects .f |
| 14:54.38 | brlcad | usually does *.bot |
| 14:55.06 | brlcad | looks like a fortran object *shudder* |
| 14:55.28 | ``Erik | just wait until I start commiting geometry with .CBL objects |
| 14:55.55 | brlcad | mm.. combinatorial ballisic lethalities |
| 14:56.07 | ``Erik | sure, if you wanna call cobol that |
| 14:56.08 | ``Erik | :D |
| 14:57.44 | brlcad | still, worrying about the kdtree time seems less-than-prioritous before .g's are first working |
| 14:57.56 | ``Erik | uh |
| 14:57.58 | brlcad | let 'em wait |
| 14:58.04 | brlcad | they'll get it |
| 14:58.08 | ``Erik | we're talkin' overnight issues here |
| 14:58.15 | brlcad | he had a fast one too |
| 14:58.19 | ``Erik | like, click the button on a friday, mayb e it's done by monday |
| 14:58.26 | brlcad | his overnight was a pig |
| 14:58.40 | brlcad | and only gave a couple % iirc |
| 14:58.49 | ``Erik | ok, I just remember the stories of the full weekend grind |
| 14:59.15 | brlcad | yeah, he was proud (or amused) at how piggish he'd made it :) |
| 14:59.24 | ``Erik | ktank should be trivial, so my intent is to make it 'just work' with a facet representation |
| 14:59.28 | ``Erik | then move on to the saved cache |
| 15:00.15 | ``Erik | the timestamp idea is just to say when that saved cache is outdated |
| 15:01.00 | brlcad | still wants to hook libtie behind rt_bot_*() and then hook rt_shootray into adrt |
| 15:01.17 | ``Erik | yeah, that'd be a nice end state |
| 15:01.30 | ``Erik | I've talked about doing both those things to various pointy hairs |
| 15:03.04 | ``Erik | my working notion has been that the tree generation would become a net loss if libtie were shoved into rt_bot without either serious isoliation (to eliminate it's utility) or significant modification to the tree generation |
| 15:04.14 | ``Erik | but I've argued long hard and uselessly that things like "time to market is more important than that last 1% of efficiency" |
| 15:06.03 | ``Erik | twingy, sir, you bitch, why didn't ya document this better? not the i++; // increment i crap, but "this is how th enetwork protocol works" :D |
| 15:09.36 | ``Erik | I cannot get this tegan and sarah song out of my head |
| 15:10.52 | claymore_ | put your head through a window or wall... that might help! |
| 15:11.15 | ``Erik | ... ok, *erik smash* hi sandy! :> |
| 15:11.28 | claymore_ | lol jerk! |
| 15:11.34 | ``Erik | yoh, not YOUR window? |
| 15:13.09 | claymore_ | Thats fine, as long as you pay for it. |
| 15:13.51 | ``Erik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4THv5SYfBo&feature=related |
| 15:19.53 | ``Erik | also; how awesome is this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbJnwk3GBiM |
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| 16:56.07 | claymore_ | lol she is a on person 'Stomp' |
| 16:56.20 | claymore_ | wussed out on the headache... |
| 16:59.22 | PrezKennedy | tegan and sarah? like doctor who? |
| 16:59.43 | PrezKennedy | pokes ``Erik |
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| 18:30.15 | mafm | night |
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| 18:54.03 | brlcad | howdy Ralith, andrecastelo |
| 18:54.14 | andrecastelo | howdy brlcad :D |
| 18:54.26 | brlcad | typed any good code lately? :) |
| 18:54.40 | brlcad | code code type type |
| 18:55.09 | brlcad | waits for an export to finish |
| 19:03.46 | claymore_ | whatcha exporting? |
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| 19:10.40 | brlcad | verifying the size of the current repo |
| 19:10.46 | Ralith | hullo brlcad |
| 19:11.20 | starseeker | is probably to blame for most of the size increase... |
| 19:13.11 | brlcad | actually, i'm just on a slow wireless connection at the moment, that's partly to blame |
| 19:13.22 | brlcad | hasn't even gotten to doc yet :) |
| 19:13.30 | starseeker | ew |
| 19:13.38 | starseeker | doesn't care for slow wireless |
| 19:14.00 | Ralith | concurs |
| 19:14.02 | brlcad | it's not anywhere near saturated, so I suspect it may be on sf's end |
| 19:14.08 | Ralith | still, better slow than unstable |
| 19:14.12 | starseeker | brlcad: Oh, are the CCB scripts around here somewhere? Ed wants me to learn "the process" |
| 19:14.25 | starseeker | brlcad: sf has been VERY slow of late |
| 19:14.28 | brlcad | sh/tracker.sh |
| 19:14.52 | brlcad | and sh/news2tracker.sh |
| 19:15.05 | brlcad | start with those |
| 19:15.19 | brlcad | since sf unveiled a new design, they may require tweaking |
| 19:15.49 | brlcad | they invariably require little tweaks every few months, it's far from an automated process |
| 19:15.55 | brlcad | but a lot of it is automatic |
| 19:16.43 | brlcad | none of the formatting is automatic at this point (usually takes about a half-hour to format) |
| 19:17.04 | starseeker | ok |
| 19:17.40 | starseeker | winces at how long this will take with sf in its current state |
| 19:18.07 | brlcad | oh, it takes about 10 minutes to run regardless |
| 19:18.15 | brlcad | just due to how it works |
| 19:18.31 | brlcad | it's the only way to get at the actual public data, though |
| 19:18.37 | starseeker | ok |
| 19:18.43 | brlcad | read the headers/docs in those files |
| 19:18.53 | starseeker | wonders if sf could make this easier... |
| 19:19.04 | brlcad | you don't want "everything" usually -- you find the number of days since the last time it was pulled and use that |
| 19:19.18 | brlcad | sf tried, but what they put in place wasn't as good |
| 19:21.04 | starseeker | uh - when was the last time we did a CCB? |
| 19:21.08 | brlcad | fyi, those scripts are entirely "not important" so you shouldn't put any more time into them other than to get them to work with a balance of manual repairs where needed -- they get attention as often as we do the review, no more .. otherwise, it's lost time |
| 19:21.17 | starseeker | hunts through email |
| 19:21.20 | starseeker | k |
| 19:21.59 | brlcad | they're infrastructure scripts, any way hacked forward is a good way, improving as much as is warranted |
| 19:22.16 | starseeker | won't get sucked into them |
| 19:22.23 | brlcad | this next go-round, I was going to fix the html entities |
| 19:22.52 | brlcad | it'll bring in & and other &; entities that are a couple quick regex/sed/perl replaces |
| 19:23.09 | brlcad | you'll see what I mean when you open the report |
| 19:24.05 | brlcad | prepares to caffinate for the long haul tonight |
| 19:24.05 | starseeker | Eeep |
| 19:24.09 | starseeker | june |
| 19:24.22 | brlcad | ~spell caffeinate |
| 19:25.26 | brlcad | there's only been one arl distribution since then so it's reasonable |
| 19:26.02 | starseeker | thinks this script should be accompanied by a giant sucking sound... |
| 19:26.15 | brlcad | which one are you running? |
| 19:26.33 | brlcad | news2tracker is decently quick |
| 19:26.44 | starseeker | the other one |
| 19:26.49 | brlcad | tracker is the gaping hole .. but fun to run in verbose mode |
| 19:26.58 | starseeker | grins :-) |
| 19:27.35 | starseeker | Dunno if you've seen email, Ed sent out an Oct. 9 date |
| 19:28.04 | starseeker | will try and do grunt prep work so brlcad can do more important stuff |
| 19:28.34 | brlcad | it's on my cal |
| 19:32.22 | brlcad | yay, export completed |
| 19:32.45 | brlcad | about 38 minutes, just under 200MB |
| 19:33.02 | brlcad | doc is about 42MB |
| 19:33.13 | starseeker | ow |
| 19:33.28 | brlcad | src is 120, regress is 10, pix 10, db 9 |
| 19:33.40 | brlcad | so not too bad |
| 19:34.03 | starseeker | heh - can't wait til OGRE gets into the main tree :-) |
| 19:34.21 | brlcad | still would be nice to generate all those images, though .. as part of the "compilation" process |
| 19:34.32 | starseeker | nods |
| 19:34.57 | starseeker | some of the Vol II images would probably be pretty tough |
| 19:35.15 | brlcad | ogre probably won't meet up the the 'brlcad' module any time soon -- intentionally keeping a clean separation between the OO layer and the procedural API |
| 19:36.00 | Ralith | starseeker: what for? |
| 19:36.11 | Ralith | (OGRE, that is) |
| 19:36.13 | brlcad | nah, I can't think of any image that can't be generated (at least with a suitable replacement) |
| 19:36.26 | starseeker | Ralith: new GUI work (eventually) |
| 19:36.37 | brlcad | e.g. the truck, use m35 -- the axes, import that axes model |
| 19:36.57 | Ralith | starseeker: so iow you can't wait 'till the new GUI becomes usable? |
| 19:36.57 | starseeker | brlcad: I was thinking more about viewing angles and zoom |
| 19:37.21 | brlcad | the mged screenshots might be tricky, but there may be a way to get tk to dump the drawing context |
| 19:37.29 | starseeker | Ralith: I'm just saying it's a big sucker - we don't NEED to import it for a while |
| 19:38.10 | brlcad | the views don't have to be exact for most of them, tedious sure but doable and not too tricky |
| 19:42.48 | starseeker | brlcad: Um - what criteria is tracker.sh using to pull in items? There are lots of open items here - don't we want only closed ones? |
| 19:45.42 | ``Erik | didn't we do one in spring? |
| 19:45.57 | starseeker | last one was June |
| 19:46.09 | ``Erik | oh, summer I guess |
| 19:46.53 | ``Erik | usually brlcad goes over the closed ones and if we aren't all dead from boredom, starts on the open ones |
| 19:48.05 | ``Erik | darth boss loved the excessive minutae, I think most would prefer just a big hit grind for like 10 minutes, then a real dialogue for the rest |
| 19:49.29 | ``Erik | I imagine claymore would have valuable insight as he's now sat in both rolls :) |
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