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| 02:54.39 | brlcad | starseeker: did you do an svn cp last time you sync'd to stable? |
| 03:45.37 | starseeker | I believe so |
| 03:45.50 | starseeker | the tree was too diverged for any sort of sane sync |
| 04:00.55 | yukonbob | hello, cadheds |
| 04:00.57 | yukonbob | *heads |
| 04:25.28 | ``Erik_ | <-- rubs his wallet cheek :( |
| 04:25.32 | ``Erik_ | I ordered a new macbook |
| 04:26.48 | Ralith | ouch |
| 04:28.20 | ``Erik_ | the last hackintop I bought lasted me ~6 years, hopefully this does the same |
| 04:31.27 | yukonbob | oO |
| 04:31.43 | yukonbob | thought ``Erik_ was a core *BSD user... |
| 04:33.33 | ``Erik_ | MacOSX is a fbsd userland glued ontop of a MACH microkenrel |
| 04:33.37 | ``Erik_ | :D |
| 04:36.45 | Ralith | except for the completely alien GUI and administrative tools and daemons and configuration system and ... |
| 04:36.46 | Ralith | :D |
| 04:38.57 | ``Erik_ | yeah... yeah... *shrug* |
| 04:39.41 | ``Erik_ | sure beats the alternatives,t hough, I mean, osX is far better than leenewx or *shudder* winderz |
| 04:39.58 | Ralith | <3 freebsd |
| 04:40.10 | Ralith | osx is pretty shiny though, I'll give you that |
| 04:40.21 | starseeker | go gentoo - bsd like package control, and all the pretty poorly written stuff works too :-) |
| 04:40.53 | ``Erik_ | um, sorry, cliff, I involved myself in kernel development at one point... |
| 04:41.02 | ``Erik_ | no matter how much you dress up a linux, it's still a linux :( |
| 04:41.22 | starseeker | heh |
| 04:41.28 | starseeker | still doing kernel stuff? |
| 04:42.14 | ``Erik_ | I think one of the reasons I like the BSD's so much is that they're fairly strict... if you write on BSD, it 'just works' on solaris, linux, hpux, aix, etc... if you write on linux, well, it works on, uh, some versions of linux... that's it... |
| 04:42.49 | ``Erik_ | um, been a couple weeks since I've poked at kernelstuff, but I saw something this evening that makes me want to go back with a vengence |
| 04:42.53 | Ralith | my gripe with gentoo was, aside from the generic linux kernel issues, the package management was a breakage-prone ports-wannabe. |
| 04:43.18 | starseeker | really? I've had pretty good luck with it |
| 04:43.33 | ``Erik_ | see, that's the problem, dude... "good luck" with it... |
| 04:43.43 | ``Erik_ | the bsd poirt system is just fucking there, goddamnit |
| 04:43.49 | starseeker | heh |
| 04:44.05 | ``Erik_ | macports is driving me up the wall being 99.9% ok, it's TOO SHITTY |
| 04:44.22 | yukonbob | [hearts] NetBSD |
| 04:44.27 | ``Erik_ | the notion that anything could fail... ever... drives me buggy |
| 04:45.08 | Ralith | ``Erik_, re: portage, exactly! |
| 04:45.19 | Ralith | ports only breaks things if you ask it to ^^ |
| 04:46.23 | starseeker | <snort> ``Erik, so you really want a working Coyotos? http://www.coyotos.org/ |
| 04:46.36 | yukonbob | finds FreeBSD ports a bit fragile compared to NetBSD pkgsrc, but still likes ports... but I've had great success w/ Debian dpkg too, so... |
| 04:46.54 | Ralith | coyotos is really neat looking |
| 04:47.12 | Ralith | I wish there was some sort of standardized ABI for device drivers so it was practical to use research OSs like that :( |
| 04:48.07 | ``Erik_ | debian tends to be solid, but insanely obsolete... haven't tried netbsd *shrug* |
| 04:48.37 | Ralith | NetBSD was pretty tempting |
| 04:48.53 | starseeker | did an ask slashdot about graphics drivers some time back - apparently the problem is they like sticking low level logic into the kernel driver, because it saves them chip complexity |
| 04:48.55 | Ralith | but FreeBSD's hardware support was moreso. |
| 04:49.00 | yukonbob | NetBSD just branched 5... |
| 04:49.22 | Ralith | I'm on a laptop so I can't muck about with iffy hardware support |
| 04:49.39 | yukonbob | Ralith: what kind of hardware are you worried about? |
| 04:49.54 | starseeker | hunts slashdot archives... |
| 04:50.07 | ``Erik_ | nvidia does that, starseeker, and until about ten years ago, that was an issue for fbsd... |
| 04:50.10 | Ralith | yukonbob, well, laptopness aside, 3D accel is a huge bonus. |
| 04:50.17 | ``Erik_ | then nvidia started pushing out fbsddrivers... heh |
| 04:50.20 | Ralith | and nvidia supports freebsd, so ^^ |
| 04:50.46 | ``Erik_ | I think I've forced nvidias hand a couple times, both as a driver writer for the earlier ones and as a whiney consumer for the later ones |
| 04:50.48 | starseeker | ``Erik: heh |
| 04:51.02 | Ralith | cool! |
| 04:51.17 | starseeker | ah, yes - http://ask.slashdot.org/askslashdot/06/07/30/0013241.shtml |
| 04:51.20 | yukonbob | Ralith: ya -- I think if you're nVidia, you're windows/linux/freebsd/mac os x.... |
| 04:51.34 | Ralith | anyone know if nvidia's planning on following AMD with the whole opening the specs thing? |
| 04:51.39 | yukonbob | net/open/dragonfly, etc are currently out of luck... |
| 04:51.58 | yukonbob | otherwise, even Open has accellerated X these days (for Intel, ATI, etc.) |
| 04:52.01 | starseeker | Ralith: I've heard no sign of it |
| 04:52.11 | Ralith | aw. |
| 04:52.20 | starseeker | and I don't think the really critical ATI stuff is out yet, is it? |
| 04:52.27 | starseeker | may have missed another one... |
| 04:52.33 | Ralith | I'm not sure |
| 04:52.37 | Ralith | but if it isn't, it's coming, right? |
| 04:52.50 | starseeker | theoretically |
| 04:52.56 | Ralith | they released the 2D docs |
| 04:53.04 | starseeker | unless management changes before they get it released... |
| 04:53.09 | Ralith | :/ |
| 04:53.19 | Ralith | it's an awfully big PR deal for it to be pulled back |
| 04:54.49 | starseeker | never undestimates the capacity of corporate american managers for stupidity |
| 04:55.02 | Ralith | oh well. |
| 04:55.18 | yukonbob | s/american// |
| 04:55.23 | Ralith | d'ya think larabee will be portable? |
| 04:55.34 | starseeker | more probable, in this case, is the lawyers putting up N roadblocks |
| 04:55.38 | starseeker | where N is large |
| 04:55.41 | Ralith | yeah |
| 04:55.44 | Ralith | but finite. |
| 04:55.57 | Ralith | is hopeful. |
| 04:56.14 | Ralith | however, if Intel succeeds in changing the game, their history of good support is pretty encouraging |
| 04:56.21 | starseeker | true |
| 04:56.38 | starseeker | would consider an opengraphics card, even if it's not "state of the art" |
| 04:56.56 | Ralith | games, so performance is pretty important |
| 04:57.09 | starseeker | as long as it can do bzflag ;-) |
| 04:57.12 | Ralith | hehe |
| 04:57.16 | Ralith | bzflag angers me |
| 04:57.29 | Ralith | the physics are too simple and it's too easy to die |
| 04:58.42 | starseeker | gets killed regardless of the physics |
| 04:59.35 | Ralith | hehe |
| 04:59.49 | Ralith | now nethack |
| 04:59.50 | Ralith | there's a good game. |
| 05:00.34 | starseeker | never fell prey to nethack |
| 05:02.20 | yukonbob | isn't there an annual nethack competition underway right now? |
| 05:03.47 | Ralith | starseeker, learn it! |
| 05:03.49 | Ralith | it is amazing. |
| 05:04.09 | Ralith | yukonbob, Iunno, I'm not nearly good enough to compete. |
| 05:04.19 | Ralith | I've never even made it to sokoban. |
| 05:04.42 | Ralith | I've had awesome fun wrecking the gnomish mines though |
| 05:04.56 | Ralith | I've even killed shopkeepers ^^ |
| 05:05.24 | starseeker | doesn't have enough time for the things he wants to do now - nethack would be fatal! ;-) |
| 05:05.47 | Ralith | nethack is turnbased! It is incapable of consuming more time than you grant it. |
| 05:06.07 | yukonbob | yup -- 10th annual International Nethack Tournament at nethack.devnull.net.... |
| 05:09.33 | starseeker | looks forward to presidential election being done with |
| 05:10.18 | starseeker | Ralith: Isn't nethack the program that spawned the famous "Thank you for the newest release of gradewrecker..." comment? |
| 05:10.45 | Ralith | never heard about that |
| 05:11.09 | brlcad | word. |
| 05:11.27 | yukonbob | dude. |
| 05:11.46 | Ralith | looks like it. |
| 05:12.00 | starseeker | Thank you for the latest release of gradewrecker. My GPA just went in the corner and shot itself. |
| 05:12.04 | starseeker | -- USENET posting, author unknown |
| 05:12.13 | starseeker | on nethack.org homepage :-) |
| 05:12.29 | Ralith | but you know what's cooler than nethack |
| 05:12.32 | Ralith | slashem. |
| 05:12.48 | Ralith | it's basically nethack-CURRENT except more experimental ^^ |
| 05:13.02 | Ralith | also harder to beat. |
| 05:13.04 | starseeker | brlcad: Anything I can help with? saw the g_qa revert, did that do it? |
| 05:13.12 | starseeker | Ralith: wow |
| 05:13.22 | starseeker | that's scary |
| 05:13.36 | Ralith | I've been playing as a doppleganger monk |
| 05:13.51 | brlcad | starseeker: I'm working on the merge now |
| 05:14.01 | Ralith | I usually die when I hit level 10, polymorph into a dragon, and overestimate my uberness >_> |
| 05:14.26 | brlcad | starseeker: you can probably help test stable after it's merged |
| 05:14.38 | starseeker | ok |
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| 08:24.22 | brlcad | that took way way too long |
| 08:27.23 | clock_ | brlcad: who are you for, I am for the President from Hawaii :) |
| 08:29.13 | CIA-24 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33115 10/brlcad/branches/STABLE/ (2215 files in 427 dirs): |
| 08:29.13 | CIA-24 | BRL-CAD: big ultra mega merge from r32275 to r33114 (HEAD on trunk) in preparation for |
| 08:29.13 | CIA-24 | BRL-CAD: the pending 7.14.0 source release. that was absurdly painful to merge, diff, |
| 08:29.13 | CIA-24 | BRL-CAD: and repair by hand. this is untested (compilation-wise) but it should sync it |
| 08:29.14 | CIA-24 | BRL-CAD: with 33114 which has been tested. |
| 08:30.22 | CIA-24 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33116 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: today is release day, stamp the news |
| 08:31.16 | CIA-24 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33117 10/brlcad/trunk/include/conf/MINOR: and it shall be 14, so sayeth we all |
| 08:37.57 | CIA-24 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33118 10/brlcad/trunk/ChangeLog: update changelog to all changes from 2008-08-19 through today on trunk |
| 08:38.58 | CIA-24 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33119 10/brlcad/trunk/HACKING: HEAD revision needs to come first on the svn2cl command so that the entries are in stack order (with latest on top like NEWS file |
| 08:56.46 | brlcad | notes that tkhtml3 presently fails on solaris |
| 08:57.07 | brlcad | er, bsd -- wrong system |
| 08:57.30 | brlcad | just missing headers, insignificant |
| 09:07.53 | CIA-24 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33120 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/tkhtml3/Makefile.in: turn it into a simple .c.o rule without the dependency for bsd make portability |
| 09:14.56 | AFK-claymore | yawns |
| 09:15.10 | CIA-24 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33121 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/tkhtml3/Makefile.in: wow, and it's not even valid. the libraries rule is missing. stub an empty one. |
| 09:15.25 | brlcad | throws a cheeto in AFK-claymore's mouth |
| 09:25.24 | claymore | nom nom nom nom nom's |
| 09:26.08 | claymore | Unfortuneately, cheetos are on my list of fav's. |
| 09:27.39 | claymore | Well, looks like tonights TV is shot :/ |
| 09:30.52 | brlcad | unfortunately? |
| 09:31.05 | CIA-24 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33122 10/brlcad/branches/STABLE/ (5 files in 3 dirs): merge 33114:33121 from trunk, preparing for release |
| 09:31.05 | brlcad | cheetos rock |
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| 09:33.30 | CIA-24 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33123 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/win32-msvc8/Makefile.am: include libgcv in the dist for release |
| 09:35.42 | CIA-24 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33124 10/brlcad/branches/STABLE/misc/win32-msvc8/Makefile.am: minimerge |
| 09:35.56 | claymore | brlcad: Hows the congestion? |
| 09:36.33 | brlcad | better |
| 09:37.13 | claymore | good deal. You @work or @home? |
| 09:37.56 | brlcad | home, I'll be in later today .. maybe get a couple hours rest for good measure just to make sure it's gone |
| 09:38.11 | brlcad | as soon as I tag this release at least |
| 09:38.22 | claymore | rock on. Take two cheetos and get some rest. ;) |
| 09:38.36 | claymore | Peace, I out. Gonna get my breakfast on. |
| 09:39.33 | brlcad | spent hours fighting a merge only to realize several hours into it that I was doing it wrong .. which is what caused hundreds of conflicts and errors that I went manually fixing |
| 09:39.37 | brlcad | suckage |
| 09:39.48 | brlcad | my suck |
| 09:40.09 | brlcad | oh well, it's all coming together now at least |
| 09:44.26 | CIA-24 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33125 10/brlcad/branches/STABLE/sh/cmakecheck.sh: look for libgcv files too |
| 09:45.38 | CIA-24 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33126 10/brlcad/trunk/sh/cmakecheck.sh: look for libgcv cmake files too |
| 09:47.23 | CIA-24 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33127 10/brlcad/tags/rel-7-14-0/: tag release 7.14.0 |
| 09:49.47 | CIA-24 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33128 10/brlcad/trunk/ (README include/conf/PATCH): bump to 7.14.1 immediately after tagging, back to dev revision. anticipate next release as 7.14.2 |
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| 11:31.59 | mafm | hi |
| 11:35.57 | claymore | hai! |
| 11:46.20 | claymore | huh, this looks pretty cool: http://atlantica.ndoorsgames.com/ |
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| 12:33.53 | claymore | what *is* rt^3 exactly? |
| 12:37.57 | claymore | nm |
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| 13:02.52 | ``Erik_ | heh |
| 13:03.06 | claymore | Mernin Erik. |
| 13:03.09 | ``Erik_ | if anyone is still wondering, it was a trivial raytracer written to explore the 'agile' development method |
| 13:03.31 | claymore | rt^3? |
| 13:03.40 | ``Erik_ | I believe so... top level in the svn repo? |
| 13:03.48 | ``Erik_ | dates should all read, um, '03 |
| 13:04.09 | claymore | yeah. Agile eh? looks more like an unorganized, steaming pile of.... code. |
| 13:04.56 | ``Erik_ | :D well, some folk were saying "this RIVA thing sounds important, waterfall is epic fail, what can we do better? "agile" is buzzy, lets see how it works" |
| 13:06.39 | mafm | claymore: my project is in there |
| 13:06.46 | ``Erik_ | hrm |
| 13:06.56 | ``Erik_ | ohh, that's right, you hijacked that toplevel |
| 13:07.05 | mafm | a viewer with opengl, 3D |
| 13:07.07 | ``Erik_ | forgot about that, sorry :) |
| 13:07.20 | mafm | the ^3 part is supposed to be because of that |
| 13:07.37 | claymore | mafm: right, been looking at your code. Good stuff btw ;) |
| 13:07.39 | mafm | but I don't know the original purpose of that module |
| 13:07.40 | ``Erik_ | unless I'm thinking about another project, which might be possible |
| 13:07.55 | ``Erik_ | I thought it was rt^3, might be lrt or something |
| 13:07.56 | ``Erik_ | :/ |
| 13:08.01 | ``Erik_ | I'm old, my memory is shot :D |
| 13:08.06 | mafm | there's somebody making a geometry server/service in there, davidsomething |
| 13:08.15 | ``Erik_ | david blows-men ? |
| 13:08.20 | ``Erik_ | loman? |
| 13:08.24 | mafm | think so |
| 13:08.29 | ``Erik_ | yeah, he's a prick |
| 13:08.37 | ``Erik_ | you should totally kick his ass, mafm :D |
| 13:08.38 | claymore | I am just trying to figure out a place for my project to rest/start in.... wondering if I should start a new top level or re-organize rt^3... |
| 13:08.42 | mafm | why? :) |
| 13:08.42 | claymore | lol |
| 13:08.47 | ``Erik_ | cuz he's claymore |
| 13:08.49 | ``Erik_ | *point* |
| 13:08.53 | claymore | hides |
| 13:09.02 | ``Erik_ | :D |
| 13:09.04 | isnotclaymore | :D |
| 13:09.34 | ``Erik_ | (what's the phrase? "outed"? sorry, dude :) |
| 13:09.58 | mafm | hmm |
| 13:10.02 | claymore | ratted out more likely |
| 13:10.21 | claymore | mafm: Your work is for a protoype GUI for the next gen BRL-CAD, correct? |
| 13:10.30 | mafm | so if claymore is David Loman, he should already know what rt^3 is for, I guess :) |
| 13:10.38 | claymore | kinda. |
| 13:10.48 | ``Erik_ | I think the geometry server effort will radically change the approach to geometry creation, and may be massively significant for geometry translation |
| 13:10.51 | claymore | I know what its being used for NOW, but there seems to be some legacy code in there |
| 13:11.00 | mafm | it's supposed to be a GUI, thin client for using a geometry service, using libged as backend |
| 13:11.15 | ``Erik_ | knowing the history and legacy is radically different than knowing what is going on now |
| 13:11.37 | louipc | geometry server eh? |
| 13:11.51 | claymore | I know, but there is this unsung rule in OS that if you move/delete legacy code, you get vegatables thrown at you. |
| 13:12.00 | ``Erik_ | I think it's important to explore that history, but I've become a nut about history and archeology, so I may be weird |
| 13:12.18 | ``Erik_ | VCS lets you clean without expunging history |
| 13:12.23 | claymore | well you *are* wierd, but that has no bearing on the current topic of discussion :P |
| 13:13.18 | claymore | I am working on a high level UML layout of the 'GeometryService' right now... but I think, after many lengthy discussions with Sean, that its grown past a 'GeometryServer' |
| 13:13.30 | ``Erik_ | it's all revision controlled and if crap that shouldn't be there is lingering, delete it... it's in the repo *shrug* :) my personal take, so'z don't hold me to that |
| 13:13.59 | claymore | writes down "Erik said to..." |
| 13:14.34 | ``Erik_ | do you have plans to move your effort into the brlcad module? |
| 13:14.51 | ``Erik_ | or are you content with the dependancy chain? |
| 13:16.24 | ``Erik_ | ordered a mac last night, feels poor :( |
| 13:16.58 | claymore | Erik: I dunno, thats my problem... its not rt^3, its not brlcad....so where do I put it? |
| 13:17.50 | ``Erik_ | if you think it's appropriate, you can always make a new toplevle |
| 13:17.55 | ``Erik_ | I did with rtcmp |
| 13:18.36 | ``Erik_ | I'll probably put the gui chunk of twingy's ISST in as a top-level, since I don't want to induce a GTK+ dependancy into BRL-CAD |
| 13:18.42 | mafm | I think that rt3 became the shed for all this experimental/new stuff |
| 13:18.53 | ``Erik_ | and move the MySQL stuff out of BRL-CAD and into the ISST bit |
| 13:20.28 | ``Erik_ | I'm feeling like my "zomfg, stop talking to [stop]" statement failed :/ |
| 13:21.06 | claymore | Erik: Whats the specs on your Mac? |
| 13:21.28 | ``Erik_ | base line new macbook, 4g ram, dvi dongle, and carrying case |
| 13:21.41 | claymore | Erik: Swing my my office sometime so I can bounce a few questions off ya>? |
| 13:21.59 | ``Erik_ | thinking down the road, I might be a 750gb drive to slap in, but don't need that yet... the 2.0ghz cpu should be plenty, and the nvidia 9400m should be permissable |
| 13:22.09 | ``Erik_ | 'k, it'll be a bit, I'm still at home |
| 13:22.23 | ``Erik_ | going to swing by the voter thingy, then cruise in and work a late day |
| 13:24.23 | claymore | nice. About the politics thing: I honestly stopped liking either of them a long time ago, I am just very eager to see how this whole thing plays out.... that and i really want those stupid waste-of-my-life commercials to go away... |
| 13:24.41 | claymore | mafm: yeah, I think rt^3 is the sandbox ;) |
| 13:24.43 | ``Erik_ | are you voting after work? |
| 13:25.04 | ``Erik_ | mebbe we'll have a nice big lunch tomorrow and we can mock eachother over choices for a while :D |
| 13:25.10 | claymore | Yeah, there is a place 1/2 mile down the road from my house. |
| 13:25.56 | claymore | I won't remember who I vote for. I am going to choose 'c' for all my answers. Let the best man picked by random choise win! |
| 13:26.03 | claymore | muwahaha. |
| 13:26.47 | ``Erik_ | heh, I have a bunch of 1 party shit on mine :( |
| 13:27.29 | claymore | yeah, a party is a party. BYOB and see if they let you vote. Claim you heard there was gonna be a couple parties here. |
| 13:27.44 | ``Erik_ | "Angela M. Eaves -or- Write in" |
| 13:28.07 | ``Erik_ | Continuance of joseph Murphy Jr: Yes -or- No |
| 13:28.16 | ``Erik_ | many continuance onces |
| 13:28.18 | ``Erik_ | ones |
| 13:28.18 | PrezKennedy | i wrote in my choice for president :) |
| 13:28.49 | PrezKennedy | i lost any hope of McCain or Obama not being jackasses |
| 13:28.49 | ``Erik_ | ... I somehow doubt "darth maul" is a valid candidate, dude |
| 13:28.57 | PrezKennedy | i put ralph wiggum |
| 13:29.23 | claymore | I feel like my vote for jack Bauer is wasted.... |
| 13:29.52 | ``Erik_ | I'm voting for captain mal, he kicks cockbites into spacecraft engines |
| 13:30.00 | claymore | lol |
| 13:31.02 | claymore | Only the *cool* captains maintain a crew that consists of outlaws, trigger-happy dimwits and a whore or two. |
| 13:31.35 | PrezKennedy | watched serenity on halloween :) |
| 13:31.43 | ``Erik_ | gotta admit, whedon did a remarkable job making tragically awesome characters |
| 13:32.03 | claymore | Now if Mal were president, we would have cooler reasons for going to war: "I aim to misbehaive..." |
| 13:32.10 | ``Erik_ | if you read up on the inside scoup of that series, all the fucktarded lame shit was demanded by fox, not part of the original vision |
| 13:32.32 | claymore | Yeah, I remember reading that Fox basically killed the series. |
| 13:33.02 | ``Erik_ | the dudes with the blue gloves were not part of the story... it was fox trying to make it "epic", and of course, showing the series out of order and at incredibly random times... heh |
| 13:33.25 | claymore | Serinity was *ok* but I really don't like Joss's habit of killing off major characters. |
| 13:33.48 | claymore | I mean, we never got to see why Book had all those Alliance connections... |
| 13:34.02 | ``Erik_ | it was upsetting, but I understand what he was doing... he'd given up on reviving the series, he wanted the story to conclude |
| 13:34.15 | claymore | If Book turned out to be a badass Preacher-Ninja... that would have been toooo awesome. |
| 13:34.31 | ``Erik_ | yeah, ron glass is awesome |
| 13:34.53 | ``Erik_ | given that he was raised christian and turned buddist, that was a neat role for him :) |
| 13:35.04 | claymore | Well cast then! |
| 13:35.23 | claymore | Bah. Boss alert. need to keep Architecting :/ |
| 16:12.04 | claymore | brlcad: lemme know when you are awake! |
| 16:24.05 | CIA-24 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r33129 10/iBME/: Making Directory Structure for iBME (Integrated BrlCad Modeling Environment). Ultimately, the iBME will consist of the new GUI, the Geometry Service and the Geometry Engine. |
| 16:26.31 | brlcad | ``Erik_: rt^3 wasn't the agile project -- that project was never migrated (though I do have the sources somewhere) |
| 16:26.47 | brlcad | it was called something like SimpleRT |
| 16:27.07 | brlcad | my server (in storage) knows all |
| 16:27.52 | claymore | All hail MyServer (in storage). Great and mighty MyServer (in storage). |
| 16:28.22 | brlcad | yeah, lrt .. LittleRT |
| 16:30.05 | claymore | Get any rest? |
| 16:31.39 | brlcad | claymore: cool, that's what I did for my SATs -- c, c, c, c .. :) |
| 16:35.18 | brlcad | claymore: enough |
| 16:35.50 | brlcad | fwiw, rt^3 is *exactly* what you described iBME to be -- "Ultimately, the iBME will consist of the new GUI, the Geometry Service and the Geometry Engine. |
| 16:36.17 | brlcad | just replace iBME with rt^3 and you have the same deal |
| 16:36.50 | claymore | so are there any issues with me starting a new top level? rt^3 seems cluttered and I am not knowledgeable enough to clean it up. |
| 16:39.29 | brlcad | well, the code bases are going to have to get merged and cleaned up at some point, so overall a new module is just making more work for someone later |
| 16:39.54 | claymore | Hrm :/ Okay, if you say so. |
| 16:39.59 | brlcad | there is some clutter -- it's what I was referring to yesterday about people not working together yet :) |
| 16:40.29 | brlcad | which is just my bad not getting things sorted out project-management-wise just yet |
| 16:40.52 | claymore | Well I am gong to take charge and whip it into shape. *Cracks whip* |
| 16:41.54 | PrezKennedy | outsource it to a contractor to manage! |
| 16:42.01 | brlcad | the bigger issue is going to be getting things organized and documented for collaborative growth, and then taking the pains to ensure everyone is up to speed and it's not just being dictated |
| 16:42.03 | PrezKennedy | eyes the room |
| 16:42.16 | claymore | You in at all today? |
| 16:42.24 | brlcad | yeah, on my way soon |
| 16:42.42 | claymore | K, I have been architecting and wanna bounce things off your brain at some point. |
| 16:51.02 | brlcad | nods |
| 16:51.39 | claymore | I think Erik is stirring up a Japan House run. |
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| 16:58.20 | PrezKennedy | we're going to chinese! |
| 16:58.34 | PrezKennedy | its not quite as good as the chinese restaurant in Aberdeen... but good enough |
| 16:58.42 | brlcad | claymore: takes me over an hour to get there so it won't do me much good |
| 16:58.52 | brlcad | PrezKennedy: mm, that sounds good |
| 16:59.10 | PrezKennedy | its inexpensive too! |
| 16:59.25 | brlcad | hits the road |
| 16:59.55 | claymore | Drive safe! |
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| 19:20.47 | starseeker | brlcad: Looks like the .c.o rule change is breaking the build on Mac |
| 19:29.14 | ``Erik_ | I hate getting accused of being a guru :( |
| 19:33.14 | claymore | well start acting stupid instead of knowledgable... |
| 19:46.24 | ``Erik_ | #!~@! I've been trying! |
| 19:48.02 | claymore | I can help if you want.... stooopid. |
| 19:48.08 | claymore | :D |
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| 20:00.37 | punkrockgirl | erik acts knowledgable? |
| 20:01.08 | mafm | bye |
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| 20:02.05 | claymore | every now and then. |
| 20:02.17 | claymore | Well, at least he puts on a good show. Quite believable. |
| 20:02.27 | claymore | I would imagine you know him better though ;) |
| 20:03.50 | punkrockgirl | ;) |
| 20:08.32 | ``Erik_ | says who? |
| 20:08.33 | ``Erik_ | O.o |
| 20:08.40 | ``Erik_ | *duck* *run* :D |
| 20:08.46 | claymore | An Owl says who. |
| 20:08.52 | claymore | not a *duck* |
| 20:08.57 | starseeker | she probably read all your secret journals ;-) |
| 20:08.58 | claymore | shakes head. |
| 20:08.58 | ``Erik_ | ORLY??? |
| 20:09.38 | starseeker | punkrockgirl: Is he really a closet linux kernel hacker? :-P |
| 20:10.24 | claymore | YA RLY!! |
| 20:12.44 | starseeker | Hmm. head fails on BSD for me, but with an ld: cannot find -lX11 error |
| 20:13.17 | ``Erik_ | yes, the tkhtml3 build is ignoring the CPPFLAGS and LDFLAGS that add /usr/local/{include,lib} |
| 20:13.49 | ``Erik_ | http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/200811/errord/404.jpg what's more amusing, the sign, or the irssi/bx session on the screen? |
| 20:15.25 | starseeker | ``Erik: Hmm. CPPFLAGS and LDFLAGS are in the Makefile.in - I take it that means those variables aren't being used correctly within the build logic? |
| 20:15.35 | claymore | whats more sad: The fact someone had time to do this at work, or the fact someone could Identify applications running on the computer in the picture? |
| 20:17.08 | punkrockgirl | i tend to ignore most of what erik says... mostly because i dont understand it :/ |
| 20:17.35 | punkrockgirl | so i figured he just spoke jibberish |
| 20:17.46 | ``Erik_ | I don' speek no jibba jabba, foo! |
| 20:17.51 | punkrockgirl | see? |
| 20:18.58 | louipc | punkrockgirl: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eisa5AZ20W0 |
| 20:19.11 | ``Erik_ | huh, the fbsd box seems to be not responding :/ |
| 20:19.51 | punkrockgirl | erik = mr t |
| 20:20.03 | ``Erik_ | you didn't know? O.o |
| 20:20.26 | ``Erik_ | I mean, you have to trick me with drugged milk to get me to fly... |
| 20:20.55 | punkrockgirl | i never noticed the resemblance before |
| 20:26.26 | CIA-24 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r33130 10/rt^3/trunk/src/geometryService/cpp/docs/BME.eap: Continuing architecture planning. |
| 20:29.59 | claymore | brlcad: Hrm, well, guess I will catch up with you ... some other time eh? heh. Lata. |
| 21:18.09 | clock_ | everyone in the voting ques? |
| 21:19.17 | CIA-24 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33131 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/system/man1/en/ (12 files): Add latest batch of MGED man pages worked on by Janine and Cliff |
