| 01:41.41 | brlcad | yeah, just a little bit |
| 01:42.34 | brlcad | about 20% larger than the previous biggest |
| 01:43.03 | brlcad | that'd be most new docs, boost, and libged |
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| 03:56.01 | yukonbob | hello, cadheads |
| 04:48.06 | CIA-25 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33155 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/wdb_track.c: aexists does not exist |
| 05:05.28 | CIA-25 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33156 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/ (Makefile.am lens.c): Needs more work and equation correctness checking, but upload a preliminary proc-db to create optical lenses. Currently does Plano-convex, Plano-concave, biconvex and biconcave. |
| 05:06.57 | starseeker | louipc: It's not likely to get much smaller - expecially if you want to bundle ogre and friends into it :-) |
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| 10:11.31 | clock_ | What was the maximum allowed speed on American highways in 1973? |
| 10:24.48 | Mouette | 7.14.0 compile succed , but it is not still included "adrt" |
| 10:25.28 | Mouette | compile "adrt" still failed |
| 11:08.07 | Mouette | the package 7.14.0 for solaris x86 is uploaded. |
| 11:08.34 | Mouette | waiting for your validate and check |
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| 13:22.24 | mafm | hi |
| 13:22.35 | claymore | hai! |
| 14:28.15 | mafm | huh |
| 14:28.31 | mafm | who dared to put that about the gui project in the topic? :D |
| 14:30.10 | claymore | They much be a witch... BURN THEM! |
| 14:31.01 | mafm | xD |
| 14:31.10 | mafm | I'd like to be scientific about that, nevertheless |
| 14:31.26 | mafm | let's first check whether they weight the same as a duck |
| 14:32.12 | claymore | with some of todays 'good looking women', the duck just might end up being heavier. |
| 14:34.10 | mafm | lol |
| 14:34.37 | mafm | well, burning those too is a win :) |
| 14:35.29 | claymore | Just watched the new remake of Get Smart this weekend. Oddly enough, pretty damn funny. Also, I need to shake Anne Hathaway's mother... grew her daughter right! |
| 14:35.56 | claymore | lol, I ment. I need to shake Anne Hathaway's Mother's hand... |
| 14:37.21 | mafm | hummmm |
| 14:37.28 | mafm | no comments :D |
| 14:38.30 | claymore | None needed. Its Anne Hathaway :) |
| 14:44.52 | mafm | http://www.topnews.in/light/files/anne-hathaway.jpg |
| 14:45.20 | mafm | so well, shaking her mother should be funny... |
| 14:50.50 | claymore | ...nah, not really into that MILF thing. O.o |
| 14:51.57 | mafm | :D |
| 14:52.17 | mafm | who knows, with today's surgery maybe it looks younger than the daughter |
| 14:53.50 | claymore | Surgery can't turn back the clock on all aspects of a person, and looks only matter to a certain point. |
| 14:54.08 | clock_ | turns back |
| 14:54.48 | claymore | clock: Don't you dare starting singing Cher! |
| 14:55.16 | claymore | waves at BRL-CAD! |
| 14:56.56 | mafm | haven't heard of sciencists erasing memory in mice? mind manipulation starts to be scarying too |
| 14:57.18 | mafm | Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind any day at your door |
| 14:57.39 | clock_ | mafm: maybe they erased your memory after you heard about them! |
| 14:58.03 | claymore | Great, just what we need. The threat of a Low Level Format of your head. :/ |
| 14:58.46 | clock_ | please insert a blank head into the MRI device A:/ |
| 14:58.46 | mafm | clock_: sometimes I feel like that, yep :) |
| 14:58.53 | clock_ | mafm: alcohol? |
| 15:00.06 | mafm | also, but it also happens naturally :) |
| 15:18.19 | louipc | waves at claymore |
| 15:39.17 | claymore | waves at louipc |
| 15:40.26 | clock_ | http://drawn.ca/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/november-4-2008.jpg |
| 15:40.28 | clock_ | :D |
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| 16:04.09 | claymore | Yeah, I saw that picture with a caption of "C-C-C-C-Combo Breaker!!!".... I lol'ed |
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| 17:23.46 | claymore | brlcad: You in today? |
| 19:12.14 | brlcad | begins to wonder if claymore is going to ask him every day if he's going to be in :) |
| 19:12.35 | brlcad | not with the holiday.. more productive |
| 19:19.53 | claymore | well, since you have no schedule, it has to be daily :P |
| 19:31.35 | brlcad | it's just more chaotic than usual because of the move |
| 19:32.56 | brlcad | more importantly, though .. |
| 19:32.57 | brlcad | ~ask |
| 19:32.58 | ibot | ask is probably Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
| 19:32.59 | brlcad | :) |
| 19:35.54 | starseeker | scowls at the overall shape of the Mark IV and starts trying to parse it into primitives |
| 19:36.08 | CIA-25 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33157 10/brlcad/trunk/BUGS: the mac installer doesn't have the symbolic links |
| 19:45.08 | mafm | hi brlcad |
| 19:45.11 | mafm | going home, bye bye |
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| 20:53.15 | starseeker | is taken back to the days of his physics labs :-) http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/default_lens.png |
| 20:53.40 | starseeker | Now all I need to do is go back to that antiques store and buy that tank scope |
| 21:48.58 | brlcad | starseeker: that's pretty cool |
| 21:49.22 | brlcad | isn't sure the lightening is correct, but probably a limitation of phong |
| 21:50.14 | starseeker | always manages to break things in new and interesting ways that no one else will ever notice :-P |
| 21:50.41 | starseeker | thanks for the steer to the epa primitive, you were right that it could work |
| 21:51.04 | brlcad | isn't sure the lightening is correct, but probably a limitation of phong? |
| 21:51.07 | brlcad | that it could work? what do you mean |
| 21:51.12 | brlcad | oops for up-arrow |
| 21:51.37 | starseeker | The epa primitive, given the correct parameters, described the sub-section of a sphere needed |
| 21:52.13 | starseeker | It's actually pretty cool - the wireframes are EXACTLY on the lens surface :-) |
| 21:53.27 | starseeker | brlcad: IIRC, the conclusion was there are no open source libs we can grab that will do the point cloud -> mesh trick? |
| 21:56.46 | brlcad | oooh, for the lens |
| 21:57.04 | brlcad | I was thinking of what you were doing with the hyp primitive, never mind :) |
| 21:57.30 | brlcad | i'm sure there are some libs that could help with point could to meshes |
| 21:57.38 | brlcad | if anything, i'm sure there are some academic efforts |
| 21:58.06 | brlcad | that's been a hot research topic for as long as I can remember, new approaches each year doing slightly better for different aspects |
| 21:58.26 | brlcad | the naive approach can be coded up in a couple hours |
| 21:59.35 | starseeker | <snort> So far I've stumbled on Triangle, which is very definitely not free for commercial product use |
| 21:59.56 | starseeker | Is Delaunay triangulation the naive way? |
| 22:01.39 | brlcad | one of them, yeah |
| 22:01.58 | starseeker | And of course CGAL had to go and use QPL for their routines... |
| 22:02.22 | brlcad | even just trying nearest neighbor 'can' give reasonable results with the right input data sets -- it's just flimsy as heck |
| 22:02.41 | starseeker | nods |
| 22:03.35 | brlcad | the "libs" that do this aren't likely what would come up on a google search - you'd be better of looking at research papers on getting meshes from point clouds |
| 22:04.14 | brlcad | one I *loved* from around 5 years ago was awesome for performing dulaney triangulation on semi-ordered point cloud inputs using a streaming processing system |
| 22:04.47 | brlcad | emphasis there on being able to operate as a streaming processor .. that was the coolest part |
| 22:05.02 | starseeker | found this one, but there's no license at all even assuming it does what we want: http://www.den.rcast.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~yu-ohtake/software/index.html |
| 22:05.05 | starseeker | cool |
| 22:06.31 | brlcad | if you want to do that, I'd say just read up on the latest research (like last 5 years of papers from siggraphs and jgt) .. and then implement the best/easiest |
| 22:07.19 | starseeker | ok. |
| 22:07.35 | starseeker | supposes it's not essential, but hates relying on only commercial solutions |
| 22:08.33 | brlcad | we don't exactly rely on it -- we don't do anything with it at the moment |
| 22:08.50 | starseeker | heh, ok pont |
| 22:08.52 | starseeker | point |
| 22:09.37 | brlcad | point clouds as a starting point is historically a horrible starting point -- best just as reference points for the modeler |
| 22:09.54 | starseeker | had visions of cute little tricks like subtracting a CSG model from a mesh solid to check how close the CSG model was coming |
| 22:10.03 | brlcad | unless you can really control the quality of the input data (e.g. a point-by-point CMS) |
| 22:13.57 | brlcad | it's a great idea, but to date I've yet to see someone actually save time |
| 22:14.13 | brlcad | you just move the time spent on one task to another |
| 22:14.25 | starseeker | ah |
| 22:14.30 | starseeker | figures |
| 22:14.56 | brlcad | instead of direct modeling, you're not spending more time healing geometry, fixing mesh problems, stitching objects together, removing anamolies, and more |
| 22:15.36 | brlcad | there are some specific cases that do really well (e.g. single/simple meshes), but then you still usually need simplification and healing algorithms/tools in place |
| 22:17.10 | brlcad | now for tools that have really good mesh management tools already in place (which we really don't yet), the time sink can be reduced some, but you can still spend a lot of time working on segmentation and mesh separation |
| 22:17.26 | brlcad | whereas you otherwise could have just modeling it directly much more quickly |
| 22:17.42 | starseeker | So the best case is probably a scan + traditional methods, with the scan providing a get out of jail free card for missed dimensional measurements? |
| 22:19.11 | brlcad | scan data is usually most effective as reference data |
| 22:19.31 | brlcad | problem is people see all that data and invariable end up massaging thinking it'll be faster |
| 22:19.36 | starseeker | so what we would want then is a way to interrogate the point cloud using visual tools? |
| 22:20.46 | brlcad | interrogate, visualize, manipulate |
| 22:21.15 | starseeker | the new pnts primitive gets us visualization, so far? |
| 22:21.39 | brlcad | being able to interactive select sets of points and deleting those points or separating them into their own point sets, splitting points, etc .. that's all useful |
| 22:21.56 | brlcad | yeah, visualization is just about "done" or done well enough for now |
| 22:22.35 | starseeker | isn't sure how to handle visual 3D selection of point subsets |
| 22:22.47 | brlcad | new gui |
| 22:22.57 | starseeker | :-) |
| 22:22.57 | brlcad | meshes have the same issue |
| 22:23.08 | brlcad | there are ways to deal with it now, but they're clumsy |
| 22:23.15 | starseeker | OK. |
| 22:24.24 | starseeker | so extending MGED to manipulate point clouds is definitely not on the list |
| 22:32.59 | brlcad | from a command-perspective ala libged/librt, sure |
| 22:33.14 | brlcad | routines to manipulate points are needed regardless |
| 22:33.40 | brlcad | but making the gui mods .. not something I'd think would be worthwhile |
| 22:34.27 | starseeker | right |
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| 22:59.49 | starseeker | really must try meshlab |
