IRC log for #brlcad on 20081126

03:06.24 CIA-6 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33251 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/edsol.c: Too many controls for the need on hyp - reduce to what is needed
03:22.33 CIA-6 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33252 10/brlcad/trunk/ (include/db.h include/wdb.h src/conv/asc2g.c): Make asc2g aware of hyp, add includes needed for this to work
03:36.53 CIA-6 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33253 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/tedit.c: Add ted support for hyp
04:45.16 CIA-6 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33254 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/mirror.c: Add support to mirror for hyp
04:47.15 starseeker blinks - apparently eto doesn't have analyze implemented either?
05:03.45 CIA-6 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33255 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/anal.c: Stub out analyze for the hyp. Volume and area calculations for this sucker look like they may prove a real challenge.
05:04.48 starseeker notices the tgc doesn't have a general surface area calculation either
05:05.41 starseeker declare victory for now - looks like analyze in general needs some though and TLC - should its functionality live elsewhere?
05:09.22 CIA-6 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33256 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: Add proc-db for creation of optical lenses using rcc and epa primitives by solving the lensmaker's equation.
05:10.12 starseeker finally bites the bullet and updates the NEWS file
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05:13.00 CIA-6 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33257 10/brlcad/trunk/ (NEWS TODO): Add support for editing hyp primitives to MGED.
05:17.06 starseeker zzzz
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11:15.48 mafm hi folks
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12:37.59 brlcad howdy mafm
12:42.01 mafm still fighting with my bosses
12:42.03 mafm :)
12:42.12 mafm I go to lunch now, to try to recover
12:42.24 brlcad sorry to hear that..
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13:51.06 mafm back
13:51.12 mafm so how're you brlcad
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14:19.46 brlcad mafm: pretty good
14:20.09 brlcad feels bad for the torture starseeker is presently going through
15:23.55 mafm documentation?
15:24.01 mafm I haven't been paying much attention
15:37.20 mafm brlcad/trunk/src/mged/anal.c -- oh, I see the pain now
15:37.46 mafm (under Modified Paths :) )
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16:27.34 brlcad mafm: heh, not exactly related, but funny nonetheless :)
16:42.59 mafm :)
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17:32.13 Lint_Trap hullo, anyone around?
17:32.31 archivist wrong question
17:33.05 archivist in irc just fire off a question and wait for an answer
17:33.44 archivist some low traffic channels can take a few hours for an answer
17:35.21 Lint_Trap okay: can anyone with experience with BRL-CAD as well as one (or many) of the expensive solid modeling apps give me a brief rundown of what the learning curve will be like for someone migrating from said expensive, gui-based apps? Specifically, I learned all my solid modeling on Pro-Engineer.
17:36.28 archivist as a Solidworks user I would say steep until a nice gui comes along
17:38.17 Lint_Trap I've done some 2d stuff in autocad that was all from the command line. do you think that would be comparable?
17:38.25 archivist yes
17:38.53 archivist and no as its solids
17:39.13 louipc there is some functionality missing in command line too
17:39.31 louipc you can't edit sketches
17:39.36 archivist and I have not touched Autocad in a LOT of years (release 2)
17:40.00 louipc yeah the whole modelling approach is different with solids too
17:40.18 louipc I'd say that would be the biggest learning curve
17:40.31 louipc CSG vs Brep anyways
17:40.38 archivist have a play see what you think
17:40.46 Lint_Trap in pro/e: you perform extrudes and revolves a lot. However, most are based on "internal" sketches.
17:41.33 louipc yeah in BRL-CAD you work with 3d objects from the start. cubes, spheres, etc...
17:43.30 Lint_Trap is it feature based modelling?
17:44.10 louipc features like bosses, holes, etc?
17:44.28 louipc there's nothing like that in brl-cad
17:44.34 louipc you've got to do it all manually
17:44.39 Lint_Trap hmm, okay
17:44.44 louipc using cubes, spheres, cylinders, etc
17:44.56 louipc subtract a cylinder from a part to make a hole :D
17:45.02 Lint_Trap easy enough
17:45.46 Lint_Trap for example, say I was doing an I-beam. In BRL I would not be able to draw the cross-section and extrude it, I'd have to create a rectangular prism and subtract 2 rectangular prisms from it
17:46.03 louipc you can do that nowadays
17:46.30 louipc the extrude
17:46.40 louipc there's brep support
17:47.06 louipc but the sketch interface ain't that great
17:47.54 Lint_Trap is the sketch interface command line?
17:49.48 louipc no it's GUI only
17:50.00 louipc that's one thing I don't like about it haha
17:50.24 Lint_Trap seems strange... may as well play on the strengths, right?
17:50.25 louipc autocad command line made for quick work of sketching in my experience
17:50.52 Lint_Trap exactly. once you were good, it was faster for many tasks
17:51.22 Lint_Trap thanks for you help
17:51.44 louipc yep.
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19:13.52 brlcad louipc: you can edit sketches, there is a sketch editor
19:13.57 brlcad it's just a little painful
19:14.16 brlcad heh, and from release 2 .. we're not too far away :)
19:15.05 brlcad ah you mentioned the sketch interface, cool
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19:34.20 starseeker spooky
19:34.32 starseeker and brlcad were just discussing sketch
19:53.51 mafm bye, folkz :)
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21:25.57 IriX64 http://www3.sympatico.ca/mario.dulisse2/cvs.tar.gz <--- windows cvs client (command line driven)
21:33.25 IriX64 brought up mged in 7.11 it goes looking for tc.tk copied tclinit to tc.tk and it comes up fine, gui has a problem though
21:39.54 IriX64 gonna try my hand at 7.14.0, wish me luck :)
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22:14.47 IriX64 http://rafb.net/p/mCPrbx89.html <---- are these pastebins still allowed
22:15.04 IriX64 the copy at the bottom is my way of getting around it
22:15.07 IriX64 :)
22:17.43 IriX64 cept the copys not right
22:17.52 IriX64 :)
22:38.59 IriX64 im not literate in cpp is this solver_test and vm_test needed for the build to be successfull?
22:41.42 IriX64 i dummied out solver_test by providing a dummy exe file to keep make happy and did the same for vm_test, but am i going to need those at runtime?
22:47.27 IriX64 not sposed to dummy them out :)
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