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01:22.52 |
IriX64 |
http://rafb.net/p/aYKzB432.html
<----- this fixed myy libcursor problem :) |
01:26.04 |
brlcad |
IriX64: *what* fixed your libcursor
problem? |
01:26.18 |
IriX64 |
the -L stuff i added |
01:26.43 |
IriX64 |
might not be what you and your people want but
its a good patch |
01:28.18 |
brlcad |
then you should just say that instead of
pastebinning the entire file without any hint as to what you did or
why you did it |
01:28.36 |
IriX64 |
forgive, i was ecited |
01:28.37 |
brlcad |
otherwise you're just wasting people's
time |
01:28.41 |
IriX64 |
excited too |
01:29.05 |
brlcad |
well, you were so excited that the fix isn't
even in the link that you pasted |
01:29.36 |
brlcad |
more case in point towards why you should just
share the minimum when you think you have to "fix"
something |
01:30.05 |
IriX64 |
okay |
01:30.08 |
brlcad |
i highly doubt that "-L/${top_builddir}/src/o"
fixed anything |
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01:31.02 |
IriX64 |
thats supposed to read
-L${top_builddir}/src/other/libtermlib -llibtermlib |
01:31.35 |
brlcad |
I see you're still making random edits too --
TERMLIB_LIBS isn't defined anywhere and the -L you needed should
have come from CURSOR_LIBS |
01:32.12 |
brlcad |
so you broke it and fixed it,
congrats |
01:32.47 |
IriX64 |
well i am trying |
01:33.32 |
``Erik |
diffs |
01:33.38 |
``Erik |
we like diffs, not files |
01:33.56 |
IriX64 |
never played with diff ``Erik |
01:34.01 |
``Erik |
well, start |
01:34.06 |
``Erik |
svn diff |
01:34.08 |
``Erik |
diff -u |
01:34.14 |
IriX64 |
where do they be sent to? |
01:34.15 |
brlcad |
we have had this talk before -- there are more
constructive ways you could/should contribute |
01:34.18 |
IriX64 |
never mind |
01:34.33 |
IriX64 |
got it |
01:34.52 |
``Erik |
if you just dump an entire file into a url,
we'll probably ignore it |
01:34.58 |
``Erik |
be succint, minimal |
01:35.08 |
``Erik |
diff is a good way to do that |
01:35.18 |
IriX64 |
ill practice it |
01:35.24 |
IriX64 |
err study it first |
01:35.33 |
``Erik |
in the unix world, diff and patch are the yin
and the yang |
01:35.40 |
IriX64 |
ha ok |
01:36.05 |
IriX64 |
ill clean up my act |
01:36.16 |
``Erik |
if you need help with those, let us know, I
knwo I'd be willing to spend some time, but grok that it's
critical, aight? :) |
01:36.30 |
IriX64 |
right :) |
01:36.55 |
``Erik |
brlcad, I had something I wanted to talk to
you about, btu I forgot |
01:36.58 |
``Erik |
like a jr hacker, uh |
01:37.00 |
``Erik |
ohyeah |
01:37.06 |
``Erik |
version on mged |
01:37.18 |
brlcad |
que? |
01:37.26 |
``Erik |
is that ok? can a jr hacker implement a -v on
mged? |
01:37.31 |
brlcad |
oh |
01:37.44 |
``Erik |
since mged is our primary binary exposure for
most folk |
01:37.45 |
brlcad |
sure |
01:38.10 |
``Erik |
and I coulda hacked it out in under an hour,
but I feel like it'd be a valuable lesson to a new
developer |
01:38.32 |
brlcad |
heh, "under an hour"? I'd hope so.. |
01:38.44 |
``Erik |
yeah, well, 5 minutes sounded arrogant in my
head |
01:40.15 |
brlcad |
case 'v': bu_log("%s\n", brlcad_ident("MGED
R|_|L3Z! lol.")); break; |
01:41.38 |
brlcad |
so who they be? |
01:41.50 |
``Erik |
well, but do we want to follow the rt example
of including all dependant libraries? |
01:42.21 |
``Erik |
I think maybe irix would be happy doing a real
code submission opposed to build weirdness |
01:42.33 |
brlcad |
doesn't matter to me, so long as the version
isn't hard-coded into a source file |
01:44.24 |
brlcad |
it does already set the version to the
'version' variable iirc |
01:44.41 |
``Erik |
there is no -V or -v option, though |
01:44.59 |
brlcad |
yeah, mged -c test.g set version |
01:45.35 |
``Erik |
I did an "mged -v" expecting to see "7.13.0",
and it did not do that |
01:46.11 |
``Erik |
given that 99% of users will assume 'mged' is
"THE BINARY", ... yeah |
01:46.18 |
``Erik |
know what I mean, vern? |
01:48.03 |
brlcad |
sure |
01:48.10 |
brlcad |
make sense |
01:48.59 |
brlcad |
only thing worth noting, though, is I don't
think we have a single command that uses -v for version info .. the
handful that use it treat is as a verbosity flag |
01:49.11 |
brlcad |
not reason to not do it, but just a
sideline |
01:49.15 |
``Erik |
hrm, would -V be better? |
01:50.10 |
``Erik |
I was recently disappointed with how poor our
versioning system was, when it noted, it did it well... but it was
hard to invoke |
01:50.39 |
brlcad |
verbose should probably be -V, then version on
-v |
01:50.44 |
brlcad |
along with long opts |
01:50.52 |
``Erik |
we don't do long opts, do we? |
01:50.54 |
brlcad |
but that's a task for another
day/time/person/place |
01:52.42 |
brlcad |
still have to implement
bu_getopt_long |
01:52.57 |
``Erik |
fightes the portability issue heh |
02:02.22 |
``Erik |
fbed requires curses? has bob handled
this? |
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02:18.10 |
``Erik |
gentoo is for ricers |
02:23.09 |
brlcad |
fbed hasn't been ported |
02:23.22 |
brlcad |
none of the termio/curses apps |
02:41.47 |
IriX64 |
whats wrong with the Help->about window in
the gui ? |
02:42.55 |
IriX64 |
or reading the freaking documentation and see
what version you're *trying to use :) |
02:43.16 |
brlcad |
nothing, that's just a different
feature |
02:43.31 |
brlcad |
what's wrong with doing cad with pen and
paper? .. nothing. |
02:43.49 |
brlcad |
just some expect things in different ways, -v
for versioning being one of them |
02:43.54 |
IriX64 |
mged --about |
02:45.51 |
brlcad |
we go for it |
02:46.01 |
IriX64 |
:) |
02:46.14 |
brlcad |
that's no less work than -v |
02:46.25 |
IriX64 |
could be easier actually |
02:47.02 |
brlcad |
nope |
02:47.13 |
IriX64 |
there currently are no -- switches on mged
tho |
02:47.26 |
brlcad |
which is exactly why I said nope |
02:47.31 |
brlcad |
there's a reason for that |
02:47.32 |
IriX64 |
ah |
02:49.34 |
IriX64 |
hahh libcursor.dll.a |
02:52.46 |
IriX64 |
where do my diffs go when i send them tho,
would hate to bugger anybodys work but my own. |
02:56.32 |
brlcad |
depends entirely what you are
diffing |
02:56.35 |
brlcad |
and why |
02:57.00 |
IriX64 |
http://rafb.net/p/VDCeHq87.html
<---- you expect me to learn all this in a day :) |
02:57.01 |
brlcad |
pastebin to see if they're useful, then
someone can review |
02:57.19 |
brlcad |
diffs shouldn't be quick fixes -- they should
be proper mods that work for everyone |
02:57.30 |
IriX64 |
ahh ok but still if thats your code tree, i
could screw up really bad |
03:01.50 |
brlcad |
it doesn't magically get applied |
03:01.59 |
brlcad |
it's applied after being reviewed |
03:02.17 |
brlcad |
just don't wast folks time with patches you
*know* can't be applied |
03:02.27 |
IriX64 |
so its just a storage space with no chance of
buggering anybody? |
03:03.25 |
IriX64 |
ill try to learn how to use, can i practice or
is there a url i can practice on? |
03:04.09 |
Ralith |
practice what? |
03:04.17 |
IriX64 |
using diff |
03:04.32 |
Ralith |
diff is a program you use on your computer to
get a computer-readable list of changes |
03:04.46 |
IriX64 |
i readily admit i know sfa about it |
03:04.51 |
Ralith |
if you're using svn |
03:04.52 |
Ralith |
which you are |
03:05.05 |
Ralith |
just go to the brl-cad root dir and do svn
diff > somefile.diff |
03:05.23 |
brlcad |
IriX64: no, you're not expected to learn it
all in a day .. but just because the tool has a lot of options
doesn't mean you need them all either |
03:05.43 |
brlcad |
I highly doubt you know all of the options to
bash, yet you use it every day via cygwin |
03:05.49 |
IriX64 |
thanks to both |
03:05.52 |
brlcad |
follow this: http://www.kegel.com/academy/opensource.html |
03:05.57 |
IriX64 |
true brlcad |
03:06.38 |
IriX64 |
bookmarked, thanks i will peruse it |
03:07.14 |
brlcad |
it'll take all of a half hour to read and
follow at best, and should explain everything |
03:07.23 |
IriX64 |
thanks |
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05:31.35 |
starseeker |
``Erik: "gentoo is for ricers" - them's
fight'in words |
05:31.45 |
Ralith |
true, though |
05:31.46 |
Ralith |
:> |
05:32.09 |
louipc |
yep |
05:32.13 |
starseeker |
prefers "gentoo is for
people who compile lots of random crap so obscure it has no package
in any Linux distro" |
05:32.41 |
starseeker |
Linux From Scratch is for ricers :-) |
05:34.04 |
louipc |
well it's not so bad if you update
rarely |
05:34.24 |
starseeker |
What, gentoo? |
05:34.30 |
louipc |
yea |
05:34.56 |
starseeker |
updates every few days when
he's staying "current", otherwise every few months |
05:34.58 |
louipc |
or any source based distro really |
05:35.58 |
louipc |
starseeker: you should try arch ;) |
05:36.06 |
starseeker |
:-) |
05:36.40 |
starseeker |
did use Debian for a while,
then got tired of tracking down -dev add-ons to packages so he
could compile obscure mathematical stuff |
05:37.13 |
starseeker |
would probably consider
Ubuntu today if he were starting over in distro
choice |
05:37.38 |
louipc |
headers are included in arch |
05:37.45 |
starseeker |
Still, the gentoo forums are a truly awesome
resource |
05:38.23 |
louipc |
how's the wiki doing nowadays? |
05:38.25 |
starseeker |
louipc: you use arch? |
05:38.32 |
louipc |
yep |
05:38.40 |
starseeker |
louipc: The gentoo wiki? good
question |
05:38.43 |
starseeker |
checks |
05:38.54 |
louipc |
they were rebuilding it yeah? |
05:39.24 |
starseeker |
yep |
05:39.31 |
starseeker |
looks like they're still trying to |
05:40.06 |
louipc |
cool |
05:40.10 |
starseeker |
still thinks it's kind of
unbelievable that their database had no backups and went down the
crapper |
05:40.31 |
louipc |
heh heh |
05:40.39 |
louipc |
I'm not too surprised |
05:41.48 |
louipc |
I thought they lost it because the company
that was hosting them was locked out of the data centre |
05:41.54 |
starseeker |
is worried that without the
former pages as the core a "rewrite" will end up losing a
lot |
05:41.59 |
starseeker |
louipc: right |
05:42.03 |
louipc |
they just didn't have off-site
backups |
05:42.21 |
starseeker |
which I find surprising for such a major
company resource |
05:42.26 |
starseeker |
er distro resource |
05:42.31 |
louipc |
yea |
05:42.41 |
Ralith |
how did that happen? |
05:42.47 |
Ralith |
also how does something that major not get
backed up? |
05:43.08 |
louipc |
lack of resources? |
05:43.32 |
starseeker |
's best guess is it was
either unofficial or "pseudo-ficial", and thus not part of the
distribution's failsafe mechanisms for websites |
05:44.08 |
louipc |
yea possibly |
05:44.26 |
starseeker |
Even the Google cache or archive.org's copy
would have been a place to start though, assuming they had made
them |
05:44.34 |
starseeker |
saw at least a few pages in
Google cache |
05:45.49 |
starseeker |
They seem to have opted for a complete redo,
which is dangerous because it throws away all the momentum built up
(plus people will have to either re-learn how to do stuff or dig up
a copy of the old page as a starting point, both potentially time
consuming |
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sporty |
starseeker: so? |
07:48.19 |
sporty |
starseeker: was it yours mail box i've sent my
email to? |
07:48.59 |
sporty |
starseeker: SiriusSnickersMars@candy.com ,
right? |
07:49.51 |
sporty |
or SeriuosSnickersMars@choc.cy |
07:50.14 |
sporty |
ah i guess you sleep... |
08:15.07 |
sporty |
starseeker: i need to know e.g. if i can use
<pre></pre> tags in .xml |
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08:24.00 |
sporty |
Can "em" command help me to save regions as
shells of 3D-bodies? |
08:24.35 |
Ralith |
sporty: shells of 3D bodies? |
08:24.48 |
sporty |
Can i save pipe as a shell - what if i want to
mesh it then and assign a thickness? |
08:25.20 |
sporty |
Ralith: yes, exactly for FEM FEA - analizes.
This feature exists in ANSYS.com |
08:25.29 |
sporty |
Why do i need this? |
08:25.49 |
Ralith |
you want to export a mesh? |
08:25.59 |
Ralith |
trimesh, that is |
08:26.01 |
sporty |
shells tremendously reduce CPU time needed for
calculations |
08:26.51 |
sporty |
Ralith: well, i can mesh it with another
program as e.g. geuz.org/gmsh/ - i want to export this shells as
e.g. IGES or Ideas or something |
08:27.08 |
sporty |
trimesh ? I don't know this command |
08:27.22 |
Ralith |
that is not a command |
08:27.24 |
Ralith |
it is a noun |
08:27.26 |
sporty |
ok, will see |
08:27.35 |
Ralith |
so you want to export surfaces? |
08:28.00 |
sporty |
Ralith: yes, well, as an option to
all |
08:28.04 |
Ralith |
there is a g-iges program which is not part of
mged but is part of the greater brl-cad suite |
08:28.14 |
sporty |
ok |
08:28.19 |
Ralith |
I'm not sure how well it works or how to use
it, but it probably does what you want. |
08:28.32 |
sporty |
Ralith: and itlies in /usr/share/brlcad
?? |
08:28.46 |
Ralith |
that would depend on your
installation |
08:29.04 |
Ralith |
if you installed brl-cad to /usr/share/brlcad,
the binary would be at /usr/share/brlcad/bin/g-iges |
08:29.16 |
sporty |
ok, right |
08:29.52 |
Ralith |
run it without arguments for help |
08:29.55 |
sporty |
so how about to export the middle of the
pipe's thickness as a shell? I need trimesh? |
08:29.58 |
sporty |
~trimesh |
08:30.15 |
Ralith |
what do you mean by "the middle of the pipe's
thickness"? |
08:30.23 |
sporty |
ok, not right now - i will have checked
this |
08:31.20 |
sporty |
i meant its wall's thickness - i would like to
export pipe in describing of a shell or as a mesh |
08:31.40 |
sporty |
Ralith: ok, don't think about it now - i only
study brlcad |
08:34.13 |
Ralith |
If you've modeled a hollow pipe, my guess is
that exporting surfaces will give you two concentric cylendrical
surfaces, one for the inside, one for the outside. |
08:44.46 |
sporty |
Ralith: ok... I mean another capability then.
I need a "center" of the wall to create a surface and save it as
still a "vector" graphics - or save it as a mesh (with relatively
little characteristic length to prevent singularities in
fem-analysis) |
08:46.18 |
Ralith |
a center? |
08:46.37 |
Ralith |
maybe you should just experiment with g-iges
and see if it gets you what you need |
08:46.46 |
Ralith |
I'm having trouble understanding you |
08:47.17 |
sporty |
Ralith: a "middle" of the wall produces a
shell of a hollow pipe, then i assign a thickness of the wall and
have a pipe, made of shell finite elements. |
08:48.21 |
sporty |
Ralith: yes, i have not tried g-iges yet. I
will've tried it. But i'm trying me english human language then
:) |
08:48.25 |
sporty |
*my |
08:50.14 |
Ralith |
I'm not really familiar with it, but I thought
finite element analysis needed a mesh |
08:54.35 |
sporty |
Ralith: it need a "smart" mesh to avoid faults
- and saving "as shell" is smart - if you want to try relatively
"rough" meshes and then more "accurate" ones. Or you might want a
rough mesh at the centers (longitudinal) and accurate at the ends
of a pipe. |
08:56.12 |
sporty |
well, i just fill xml from mged_cmd_index.html
- and wanted to know a bit more, so don't, so don't try to
understand what's on my mind |
08:58.36 |
sporty |
Ralith: do you know starseeker's
email? |
08:58.46 |
Ralith |
afraid not |
08:58.49 |
Ralith |
it's probably not too hard to find |
08:58.59 |
sporty |
i send letters - and folks telll me who i
am |
08:59.19 |
sporty |
Ralith: you mean Author's page? |
08:59.22 |
Ralith |
check the sourceforge developers list; that
might have a way to contact him |
09:00.35 |
sporty |
my days' megabytes of internet equals one ise
cream or just 0.3 usd... I have an agreement with mommy to stay far
from sourceforge sites at a daylight :) |
09:00.52 |
Ralith |
heh |
09:01.03 |
Ralith |
price-per-mb does suck. |
09:01.12 |
Ralith |
brl-cad can probably do what you need; it was
made for analysis in something like that vein, after all. |
09:01.22 |
sporty |
...but i have a trick: java -jar
$HOME/toonel.jar |
09:01.22 |
Ralith |
I'm not the best reference on it,
though |
09:01.27 |
Ralith |
? |
09:01.40 |
sporty |
What ?? |
09:01.48 |
Ralith |
w/e |
09:01.56 |
Ralith |
good luck contacting starseeker |
09:01.57 |
sporty |
using proxy for internet |
09:02.02 |
Ralith |
he'll probably be around later |
09:02.03 |
sporty |
ok |
09:02.20 |
sporty |
i know - but i will be offline |
09:03.58 |
sporty |
sudo standupandgo --clean=flat -Right
now |
09:04.46 |
Ralith |
try starseeker@users.sourceforge.net |
09:04.55 |
sporty |
ok |
09:04.55 |
Ralith |
no idea if it'll get to him via that, but
better than nothing |
09:06.23 |
sporty |
Ralith: maybe you know it: Can i use
<pre></pre> tags in xml? |
09:06.42 |
Ralith |
honestly I have no idea |
09:06.45 |
Ralith |
try it and see? |
09:07.13 |
Ralith |
it depends a lot on what *kind* of xml (what
you're doing with it), but even if you provided details I just
don't know enough to tell you. |
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09:08.37 |
sporty |
Ralith: i can not preview it on my local
computer - se la we ;) |
09:09.30 |
sporty |
xml files of enlarged command reference of
brlcad |
09:10.22 |
sporty |
i see it as text with tags, i can not "plug"
openoffice to jre, i can not download too much from
internet |
09:11.14 |
Ralith |
sorry, can't help |
09:13.01 |
sporty |
Ralith: why are you behind pc this time? it's
probably night there where you are? Here where i am it is an end of
a cold-cold day... |
09:14.29 |
Ralith |
why not? |
09:14.43 |
clock_ |
sporty: it's also pretty cold here |
09:16.51 |
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09:36.14 |
sporty |
sudo cleancarpet -! -@ -# -$ -% now... oh
my... |
10:57.02 |
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11:07.26 |
sporty |
my new connection goes offline
sometimes... |
11:07.39 |
sporty |
starseeker: are you here right now? |
11:17.46 |
sporty |
i've not used <pre></pre> tags,
but there were random <para></para> as
paragraphs... |
11:19.36 |
sporty |
starseeker: edit few commands on rus as final
variant with that fields <refentry id="..."> |
11:23.31 |
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11:26.13 |
sporty |
elite01: hello! |
11:26.28 |
sporty |
elite01: is it a morning already? |
11:26.47 |
elite01 |
sure |
11:26.50 |
elite01 |
hi there :) |
11:27.01 |
sporty |
and we have a dinner |
11:27.01 |
elite01 |
12:27 local time |
11:27.22 |
sporty |
ah... you're in Europe? |
11:27.38 |
elite01 |
yeah |
11:27.51 |
sporty |
Come on! you're in east europe, man! |
11:28.06 |
sporty |
What are you doing there? |
11:28.16 |
elite01 |
eh, i'm in germany |
11:28.29 |
sporty |
elite01: what languages except english do you
know? |
11:28.40 |
elite01 |
german, and a little french |
11:29.51 |
elite01 |
and you? |
11:30.01 |
sporty |
i have most of brlcad's commands as separate
xml files, prepared for translation to number of languages - can
you instead of e.g. "Provides a delay of the specified time before
the next command will be processed." |
11:30.27 |
sporty |
i know only my native, english, and study
french grammar |
11:30.43 |
elite01 |
ah, want me to translate stuff to
german? |
11:31.04 |
sporty |
i mean you can edit it in plain text editor -
all the text is already pasted at the place |
11:31.31 |
sporty |
elite01: not really - just *some* commands to
boost humans to do it |
11:31.46 |
elite01 |
no problem |
11:31.58 |
sporty |
like in, make, quit, delay and those
non-complicated |
11:33.00 |
elite01 |
yeah, i'll get on it when i have some
time |
11:33.03 |
elite01 |
where are the xml files? |
11:33.12 |
sporty |
elite01: when starseeker will have edited my
files I'd sent him properly - i will send you some commands. I
think it's about a hour to spend to almost all commands |
11:33.53 |
elite01 |
sounds ok |
11:33.59 |
elite01 |
i have to go in a short while |
11:34.12 |
sporty |
elite01: later, when starseeker's mom will
have given him butterbread as a dinner |
11:34.17 |
sporty |
elite01: ok |
11:36.10 |
sporty |
un garçon el tends to la femmé |
11:38.10 |
archivist |
wonders if the web structure
for languages will be clean like mysql |
11:39.58 |
archivist |
note placement of version and language code
http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/rename-database.html |
11:41.36 |
archivist |
the page name retains english regardless of
language |
11:48.43 |
sporty |
archivist: ok, i just try to study it by means
of attempts and mistakes. |
11:49.26 |
sporty |
archivist: is it a big web-page (in
kilobytes)? |
11:50.23 |
archivist |
individual pages are not too large, but there
are lots of them |
11:55.56 |
sporty |
archivist: i mean this page you've called - my
traffic is limited! |
11:57.06 |
archivist |
not big at all |
11:57.42 |
archivist |
and that particular page has a link to
japanese version |
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12:25.05 |
IriX64 |
louipc, i tried -diff, it did the whole bloody
tree |
12:25.43 |
IriX64 |
do you have to say brlcad/src/other/libtermlib
for instance? |
12:48.06 |
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12:48.35 |
sporty |
*connection goes offline sometimes* |
12:57.36 |
IriX64 |
http://rafb.net/p/VFVPyY15.html
<--- for interests sake :) |
12:58.22 |
sporty |
interests in what? |
13:16.57 |
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13:35.45 |
sporty |
http://rafb.net/p/VFVPyY15.html
<-- Who is Cassandra? Mrs. Irix64? Or you sister? Is she cute?
Are her shapes resilient and beauty? |
13:36.02 |
sporty |
*your |
13:55.16 |
sporty |
"developer command" - like what, quickly! Is
it like "commands of the developers of ..." or it is jst "commands
(to be used) to develop images"? |
13:56.35 |
sporty |
i've questions of interest, you've got answers
- let's have lots of fun, dudes |
13:58.02 |
sporty |
celebrates that fact that
he've seen a *busy* day of another busy humans |
13:58.12 |
sporty |
*he's |
14:25.29 |
sporty |
i guess i'm offline again |
14:26.53 |
sporty |
strange... TV says people've started to eat
each other due to the crisis |
14:27.37 |
sporty |
we, dudes of brlcad, must be robust - and eat
our wifes instead of each other! |
14:27.45 |
sporty |
hello? |
14:28.29 |
sporty |
Bbbbbbbbwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaa-hhhhh-aaaaaaaaa-hhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!! |
14:32.04 |
sporty |
we can eat youkonbob... ;) i guess ours
bearings can be Alaska or north Canada for this sake |
14:36.08 |
sporty |
Or e.g. PrezKennedy - he's old and not tasty i
think - let's find some amazonia's women then! By means of his
charizmata (i mean a gift of grace)... Uh i want into the
eating-house... CIA-6: I want to sell my government for few pounds
of potatos. What secrets do you want to know? Are you related to
the CIA or FBI |
14:37.46 |
sporty |
People: tell me something! (But i gues, at
*their* morning they will surely do!) |
14:39.21 |
sporty |
PrezKennedy: i still want to marry one of your
daughter! |
14:41.36 |
sporty |
laptopheads and
laptoplidcloses and iternetacessswitchesoffs and lots of
superposition things happens at once. |
14:43.08 |
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14:43.58 |
PrezKennedy |
shoots sporty full of
tranquilizer darts |
14:44.33 |
sporty |
my as5, my beautiful as5 laptop is
ruined! |
14:44.43 |
sporty |
PrezKennedy: You wil pay for it! |
14:44.56 |
sporty |
PrezKennedy: my rockets are at the
Cuba!!! |
14:45.07 |
claymore |
's eyes hurt after following
this channel for a bit to long this morning.... |
14:45.30 |
sporty |
PrezKennedy: Immediately, tell me your
location to die as the noble gentlemen! |
14:46.34 |
sporty |
kills PrezKennedy and marry
both of his daughters at once. Happy End! |
14:47.45 |
sporty |
*marries |
14:51.32 |
sporty |
(Two young beautiful adies lick sporty's
waunds, sporty feels good, sporty's a sporty!) |
14:52.06 |
sporty |
ok, going to see TV since the channel is
dead. |
14:52.24 |
sporty |
uh! almost has gone to see TV! |
14:52.34 |
claymore |
There is 'Off-topic' and then there is
*Off-Topic!' ;) |
14:53.07 |
sporty |
like #brlcad*Off-Topic ? |
14:53.22 |
PrezKennedy |
or #brlcad-offthewalls |
14:53.45 |
claymore |
Just saying that only certain Off-Topic topics
will get replied to. |
14:54.05 |
PrezKennedy |
like hot chicks |
14:54.44 |
sporty |
ok, so is it morning there where you
are? |
14:54.54 |
claymore |
sure is. |
14:56.49 |
sporty |
sitting here, where i am and loking there,
where you are through the prism of the nets - i do not understand
is it a morning or is it an evening like here where i am and
loking there, where you are - and try to write complicated
english phrases with no mistakes. |
14:59.03 |
IriX64 |
http://rafb.net/p/ZTVcaf26.html
<--- are you interested in warnings like this? |
15:01.05 |
IriX64 |
http://rafb.net/p/N9nCL741.html
<--- and this |
15:01.18 |
sporty |
IriX64: wait, i need a proxy for
http |
15:01.26 |
IriX64 |
ill go back to skulking :) |
15:01.40 |
sporty |
IriX64: ok |
15:04.08 |
sporty |
IriX64: not really, i'm relatively new to
brl-cad. I think you compile something under cygwin environment to
launch *nix binaries in win os. Just compile it in linux, that's a
way! |
15:04.53 |
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15:09.35 |
IriX64 |
delay.c in libged needs a
#include<sys/time.h> |
15:50.25 |
IriX64 |
http://rafb.net/p/xCIk1E40.html
<---- this stops the build |
15:53.20 |
IriX64 |
http://rafb.net/p/3fM1wA43.html
<--- this too stops the build, am i out of line doing this here
or is it welcomed? |
16:06.51 |
IriX64 |
bwish,mged,rttherm,pl-dm,bombardier all
require -lXft -lXss to build |
16:08.43 |
IriX64 |
clone.c has a problem with obj_list its
defined elsewhere, im changing mine to mged_obj_list and praying it
doesn't screw anything up |
16:08.48 |
IriX64 |
in mged dir |
16:08.56 |
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16:17.17 |
IriX64 |
rtsrv.c tries to reinvent the wheel with a
local copy of bu_bomb forgetting to change the names and it blows
up at link time |
16:28.02 |
claymore |
``Erik: Where you at? |
17:47.30 |
``Erik |
at home, actually, what's up? |
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17:49.41 |
sporty |
yukonbob: i havew come with a
tablespoon! |
17:49.53 |
sporty |
yukonbob: and it's crisis! |
17:50.08 |
sporty |
yukonbob: just care yourself |
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18:38.43 |
sporty |
channel is dead as never... |
18:54.05 |
sporty |
or my new connection is faulty |
18:55.24 |
sporty |
or it's a busy day, or it's abusy day, or
people want some rest when the rest of the week equals to its
behinning |
18:57.39 |
sporty |
brlcad: i can use Emacs (i mean i can easily
compile it with on offline system) - what are its essental parts,
why do "old" programmers like it? |
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19:01.35 |
sporty |
louipc: have you ever used Emacs? |
19:01.57 |
louipc |
I used to use xemacs a few years ago |
19:02.21 |
sporty |
louipc: what are its essential parts, why do
people like it? |
19:03.04 |
sporty |
I mean i'd used full set of MS office - with
complicated formulae and so on - and emacs seems too weird by
now |
19:03.12 |
louipc |
I think people like it because it's highly
configurable with elisp |
19:04.17 |
sporty |
and what does elisp offers? Can i "write down"
some formulas as those wth integrals and sums? |
19:04.25 |
louipc |
vi and emacs are also quite efficient at text
editing once you learn how to use them |
19:04.39 |
louipc |
you never need to touch the mouse :D |
19:05.03 |
sporty |
ok, i think you mean they're really fast in
comparison with those with GUI |
19:05.08 |
sporty |
right! |
19:05.10 |
louipc |
it's just a scripting language, yeah I guess
you can do formulae with it |
19:05.31 |
louipc |
I'm not familiar with how to do emacs
scripting though |
19:06.32 |
sporty |
ok... i will have compiled it with elisp
manuals... i have found slackware 10 dvd - hehe, with sources,
hehe |
19:06.49 |
louipc |
well that's what slack is all about
hah |
19:07.35 |
sporty |
but it can not handle my new pc :( had to use
ubuntu on offline pc - andd have no cheap internet |
19:07.48 |
louipc |
http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/elisp.html |
19:07.56 |
sporty |
ok |
19:08.31 |
sporty |
louipc: don't you know some good tutorial
about python programming language? |
19:08.57 |
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19:09.32 |
louipc |
hah good question. I've never looked at a
tutorial I've only dove right into the code. |
19:11.29 |
sporty |
louipc: ok... i ust need to dove into few
books right now - head is reeling ... |
19:13.24 |
claymore |
``Erik: nadda, you just missed a rare occasion
where i eat lunch out... nothing big. ;) |
19:15.47 |
sporty |
claymore: sometimes in the night, when i think
it' s arainy day and i'm on my bike - i cry "more, more of the
clay" - and scare mrs.sporty... |
19:15.58 |
sporty |
;) |
19:15.58 |
sporty |
:-X |
19:16.06 |
sporty |
:-/ |
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19:22.21 |
claymore |
..... okay.... that's just plain
odd. |
19:22.48 |
sporty |
yeah... |
19:23.07 |
louipc |
hahaha |
19:29.19 |
sporty |
What does words "new gui" mean? |
19:29.55 |
claymore |
'new gui' == 'new Graphical User
Interface' |
19:31.09 |
sporty |
claymore: yeah, i have asked with "Graphical
User Interface" = "GUI" on my mind... What a new GUI? |
19:33.49 |
claymore |
There is work underway for a new GUI interface
in the rt^3/src/g3d directory |
19:35.10 |
sporty |
well, ok, nice answer for that one
non-initiated in programming (for me)... Simply into /src/g3d,
where src = sources |
19:35.42 |
sporty |
claymore: will it hide a half of a
screen? |
19:36.35 |
sporty |
claymore: i want to know, is it hard to
"attach" new Qt design to existing foss program? |
19:37.18 |
sporty |
i mean i don't really know how to add it...
well i need to strive... but you probably know people who tried to
do this |
19:37.36 |
claymore |
define 'qt design' please... |
19:38.41 |
sporty |
uh... that Qt3 or Qt4 - common means of
graphical interfaces to programs... ah i do not
remember... |
19:41.18 |
sporty |
...i have compiled such 50-megs tarball - and
want to 'modify' some programs (if it will be easy for a
non-skilled-non-programmer) |
19:41.24 |
claymore |
are you speaking of "Qt cross platform
Application Framework" ? |
19:42.00 |
sporty |
i mean i did it on offline pc, where one mb
equals one ice cream in its cost |
19:42.13 |
sporty |
claymore: yes |
19:42.35 |
sporty |
about its free version for non-commercial
use |
19:43.36 |
claymore |
sporty: Well, I hadn't looked into that, but I
can see that if we were to attempt to use that, there would be a
massive amount of person-hours required to rework the existing
brl-cad suite to use qt. |
19:43.36 |
sporty |
i want to modify one program (foss) - then do
something in a long term... ah i just have an inspiration |
19:44.38 |
claymore |
the new gui, aka, g3d will (probably) not use
qt. Developement of the new GUI is not at the top priority quite
yet, but it will be eventually. |
19:44.41 |
sporty |
you mean it can't be boundled with qt? i
thought it was some kind of a standart |
19:45.17 |
claymore |
I suppose the new GUI *could* use qt, but it
would warrent a bit of investigation. |
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19:45.27 |
sporty |
g3d - is it a name of a standard? |
19:46.43 |
alex_joni |
http://www.google.ro/search?q=g3d |
19:46.54 |
claymore |
sporty: no, g3d is the nickname for the new
GUI that a GSoC student prototyped for BRL-CAD. The code resides in
the rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ |
19:46.59 |
sporty |
well, ok... i'm only about to arrange some
commands right now... I just think i will know how to use qt
soon... just don't know yet how to bundle it to the code |
19:47.53 |
sporty |
claymore: ok, i will not see into the trunk
right now. Just interesting. |
19:50.10 |
sporty |
claymore: how do you think: does starseeker
sleep right now? I have no idea if names shall be like 3ptarb1 or i
can leave it as 3ptarb--rus |
19:50.41 |
claymore |
sporty: Pretty sure starseeker is at work and
just a bit busy. |
19:52.01 |
sporty |
ok, but i'm drinking tea, made of dry apples,
dendelion leaves and camomile |
19:52.39 |
sporty |
...and smoking garlics' stems - i'm
vegan... |
19:53.14 |
claymore |
just had Turkey, Roast Beast
and Chicken for lunch. :) |
19:53.17 |
sporty |
and save money ...:-$ |
19:53.45 |
sporty |
thinks claymore isn't hurted
with a crisis... |
19:53.51 |
brlcad |
sporty: 'brlcad' is me, 'BRL-CAD' is the
software -- they're not the same thing (..at least not yet) --
referring to it in lower is cool, e.g., 'brl-cad' |
19:54.02 |
brlcad |
otherwise, you're driving me nuts :) |
19:54.13 |
sporty |
brlcad: it will be the same! |
19:54.39 |
sporty |
brlcad: ok |
19:55.48 |
sporty |
what do you eat when you feel a lack of
attention? Don't say you drink coffee! |
19:56.27 |
claymore |
sporty: who are you talking to? |
19:57.30 |
sporty |
Ñо alive humans |
19:57.48 |
claymore |
drinks Mt Dew when
needed. |
19:57.51 |
sporty |
you (_pl.) |
19:58.02 |
sporty |
Mt Dew? |
19:58.06 |
claymore |
doesn't like coffee to
much. |
19:58.27 |
claymore |
http://www.mountaindew.com/ |
19:58.32 |
sporty |
i like tonic |
19:58.50 |
claymore |
and I be that tonic likes you too! |
19:58.58 |
claymore |
:D |
19:59.05 |
sporty |
claymore: ah, i know this from tv
advertisings |
19:59.34 |
sporty |
claymore: i meant shwepps or any tonic, tonic
with lemon and so on |
20:00.18 |
sporty |
is it possible to type e.g. 60 words per
minute |
20:01.06 |
claymore |
yes. |
20:01.14 |
sporty |
really? |
20:01.46 |
claymore |
its been a while, but i benchmarked myself at
~73 wpm |
20:01.55 |
sporty |
i mean i want it. I'm using "Phonetics" layout
for my native... Wow! |
20:02.17 |
claymore |
some people, mostly Data Entry Specialists,
have been known to achieve 120+ wpm. |
20:02.27 |
sporty |
holy Key B. ART |
20:04.50 |
sporty |
claymore: i typed fastly on some layouts,
too.. But i think if i put my fingers vertically - i could get
arthritis with all these words... Using laptop, try to dramatically
accelerate it... |
20:05.35 |
claymore |
its a hazard of the occupation, but one I will
risk :) |
20:06.38 |
sporty |
claymore: btw, it is good idea to get some
hikes in dirty clay - helps to skin and probably adds some
microelements beneath the skin |
20:07.07 |
sporty |
*helps for a skin* |
20:07.12 |
claymore |
has kids. I get plenty dirty
more often thank I like. |
20:09.53 |
sporty |
claymore: ok, but i would like some trophies
along the rivers. I've used to do it on a bicycle. But a bike or a
car is good, too. The point is non-angry tyres, which force you to
stay in dirty from clay water for longer. aand don't hurt to mother
nature too much |
20:15.32 |
sporty |
i like trophies on sake-bearing cars as some
stock vehicles. When there is a prudence of fun... There's olways a
way to use vehicles with rubber tracks when you really don't want
to sit in a swamp... This interest was a first my mature interest
in this world - and all i plan right now is related to this or
snwboard or even sk8boarding, which attitude seems like too high
for a while for my poor, wounded body. |
20:20.10 |
brlcad |
sporty: emacs is a programmable "environment"
for just about any purpose with lots of macros and functionality
specifically tailored to programming and programming-related
tasks |
20:20.20 |
brlcad |
that's why many programmers like it |
20:20.40 |
brlcad |
it has a nasty learning curve, but it's well
worth it if coding is a long term endevour |
20:21.21 |
claymore |
ide's >> emacs :D |
20:21.23 |
claymore |
ducks |
20:26.02 |
sporty |
ok, i already try to read elisp tutorial. I
ant to know an easy way to handle simple calculations (and save it
as text) - and to add complicated formulas as integrals & sums
and so on. I need this because i'd used MS products for this
earlier. Now i'm about open source - and i hope it will be a bit
faster & simply |
20:28.31 |
sporty |
well, i need to sleep... on a bench, in a
familiar university, - so as i could scare away mobsters at the
darkness... Hard time for young man with non-cheap laptop and
contributions to open source... |
20:29.04 |
sporty |
it's crisis... |
20:32.45 |
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20:33.46 |
PrezKennedy |
vi 4 ever!!! |
20:35.17 |
brlcad |
IriX64: thanks for the adrt build failures --
the rtsrv one, though, isn't an error (it's a compiler setting
issue) |
20:37.03 |
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20:37.55 |
IriX64 |
welcome, im still fighting fbed :) |
20:38.45 |
claymore |
|
20:38.54 |
brlcad |
g3d is just the presently temporary name for
that effort -- it has (several) other names but is still
effectively a prototype for the "new gui" effort (responding to
backlog comments) |
20:39.14 |
brlcad |
sporty: it will be the same, but not
yet |
20:39.40 |
brlcad |
emacs is an ide :P |
20:39.45 |
brlcad |
catches up
:) |
20:40.05 |
sporty |
PrezKennedy: i can't not to kiss your
daughters' hands and some other territories... Would you
mind? |
20:41.21 |
sporty |
brlcad: i hope brl-cad's interface will be
very new in wise meaning- it shall not hide
half-a-display... |
20:41.33 |
louipc |
:O |
20:42.04 |
sporty |
brlcad: how much commands does brl-cad have?
Something like 70 ? |
20:42.25 |
claymore |
just saw a Red
Light |
20:42.25 |
brlcad |
if PrezKennedy has daughters, he's sure got a
lot of 'splaining to do Lucy |
20:42.34 |
brlcad |
sporty: that is the intent |
20:42.53 |
brlcad |
there are just over 400 commands outside of
mged |
20:42.54 |
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20:43.08 |
brlcad |
about 300-400 useful commands inside of
mged |
20:43.20 |
sporty |
brlcad: i meant old
mged_cmd_reference |
20:43.36 |
sporty |
there's about 80 commands |
20:43.57 |
sporty |
and binary files in ../bin directory |
20:44.28 |
brlcad |
there should be about 400 in the bin directory
for a full-distribution |
20:44.30 |
brlcad |
you on windows? |
20:44.54 |
brlcad |
windows has much less unless it's a
cygwin/mingw build |
20:45.12 |
sporty |
brlcad: i mean /html/mged_cmd_index.html - i'm
editing it |
20:45.36 |
brlcad |
there are several mged commands that aren't
documented in mged_cmd_index.html |
20:45.50 |
sporty |
i have xml files, which are ready to be filled
with a number of languages |
20:46.09 |
sporty |
brlcad: like what? |
20:46.21 |
brlcad |
./html/manuals/mged/mged_cmd_index.html is
pretty old |
20:46.47 |
sporty |
"cleanmyapartment -R [-i -g -h -t]
now" |
20:47.13 |
sporty |
brlcad: well, i still have not finished
it... |
20:47.49 |
sporty |
brlcad: btw, am i right to use "I have" - or
shall i use "I has" ? |
20:47.57 |
brlcad |
I have |
20:48.19 |
brlcad |
ah, looks like the command index hasn't been
converted to docbook justyet |
20:48.33 |
sporty |
i also think "I" + "use" = "me use" |
20:48.33 |
brlcad |
so carry on! |
20:48.55 |
sporty |
i meant rus variant and then few variants,
also |
20:49.00 |
brlcad |
not unless you're a pirate |
20:49.22 |
sporty |
not full, probably, for young students and
scolars |
20:49.33 |
claymore |
arg! |
20:49.36 |
starseeker |
Be sure to keep an eye on the sourceforge svn
trunk - we have someone adding xml files for MGED
commands |
20:51.51 |
sporty |
brlcad: seriously, words in mged_cmd_index are
very good, simple and non-complicated. The only sake to add other
languages are: 1. for those who is in the scholl - but wants some
first fast 'results' 2. for fast start with a program. Things like
rt or modelling *do* need at least an english dictionary - and so
on |
20:52.29 |
sporty |
starseeker: immediately, tell me your email
while i'm trying to get another tea! |
20:52.30 |
brlcad |
sporty: how about for someone that doesn't
actually speak any english |
20:53.13 |
starseeker |
sporty: I've seen your email messages, but I
can't respond to them yet |
20:53.20 |
sporty |
brlcad: believe me, my friend who stidied
german - can handle reading of mged cmd reference |
20:53.21 |
starseeker |
I have other priorities at work right
now |
20:53.29 |
sporty |
*friends* |
20:53.43 |
sporty |
starseeker: only one question |
20:53.44 |
brlcad |
IriX64: your sources are out of date, so the
errors are no longer valid |
20:53.57 |
brlcad |
remember to try the latest sources when you
run into problems |
20:54.01 |
starseeker |
sporty: what's the question? |
20:54.27 |
brlcad |
sporty: your premise is still invalid if they
don't have the same background as y ou |
20:54.38 |
sporty |
starseeker: <refentry id="echo--rus"> or
<refentry id="echo1"> for russian, and <refentry
id="echo--deu"> or <refentry id="echo2"> - for
german? |
20:54.50 |
brlcad |
same reason why people translate anything at
all -- you certainly don't have to, nobody is going to make
you |
20:55.04 |
brlcad |
if you do, much appreciated -- I'm sure others
will appreciate the translations too |
20:55.59 |
sporty |
brlcad: believe me, it is not so! People,
who're far from pc try to model bikes from American chopper in 3ds
max- without a background in windows' file structures. |
20:57.04 |
brlcad |
sporty: I have absolutely no basis to believe
anything you say, this is irc :) |
20:57.25 |
brlcad |
still it's bogus |
20:57.32 |
sporty |
brlcad: how about this: "region" = region,
"elliptical" = ellipticheskiy, and so on - same words, just their
meaning is *same* |
20:57.51 |
sporty |
ok |
20:57.57 |
brlcad |
shouldn't use dashes on the 'id' attributes if
we're to be consistent |
20:58.11 |
brlcad |
most elsewhere it uses dots as a
separator |
20:58.22 |
sporty |
brlcad: ok then <refentry id="echo1">
and <refentry id="echo2"> |
20:58.28 |
sporty |
ok |
20:58.29 |
brlcad |
dashes where the symbol itself has a dash
(like line-width) |
20:58.42 |
sporty |
ok |
20:58.45 |
brlcad |
echo1 and echo2 are horrible id's :) |
20:58.53 |
brlcad |
it should say what it is |
20:59.00 |
sporty |
brlcad: which then? |
20:59.35 |
starseeker |
sporty: For language identification, I think
it should use the lang property |
20:59.36 |
sporty |
echo1 =rus, echo2=deutsch, echo3=... |
20:59.52 |
sporty |
starseeker: which field? |
20:59.53 |
brlcad |
e.g., "index.preferred.page.properties",
"table.footnote.properties", "body.end.indent", etc |
20:59.59 |
starseeker |
e.g. <refentry lang="ru"> |
21:00.14 |
sporty |
starseeker: at which line? |
21:00.51 |
starseeker |
Uh... what do you mean which line? You're
specifying the language of that refentry |
21:00.58 |
CIA-6 |
BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r33270 10/brlcad/trunk/
(4 files in 4 dirs): Activate Archer's wizard menu and primitive
edit toolbar. Added commands for editing primitives via the mouse
to libtclcad's Ged object. |
21:01.10 |
sporty |
i think i can add it at 5th or 6th
line |
21:01.25 |
starseeker |
If you want unique ids for a command's
refentry, do something like <refentry
id="man.search.ru"> |
21:01.28 |
sporty |
starseeker: ok |
21:01.28 |
brlcad |
lang is xml namespaced too, isn't
it? |
21:01.33 |
brlcad |
xml:lang="rt" |
21:01.36 |
brlcad |
er, heh |
21:01.39 |
brlcad |
ru |
21:02.03 |
starseeker |
not in the example here: http://www.docbook.org/tdg/en/html/ch04.html |
21:02.04 |
sporty |
<refentry id='b--rus'> |
21:02.06 |
sporty |
<refmeta> |
21:02.06 |
sporty |
<PROTECTED> |
21:02.37 |
sporty |
to:<refentry id='b--rus'> |
21:02.38 |
sporty |
<refmeta><refentrylang>ru</refentrylang> |
21:02.38 |
sporty |
<PROTECTED> |
21:02.58 |
sporty |
following a link |
21:03.06 |
starseeker |
I would do <refentry id="man.b.r"
lang="ru"> |
21:03.19 |
brlcad |
ah, *docbook* has a lang attribute |
21:03.22 |
brlcad |
xml has one too |
21:03.25 |
starseeker |
er |
21:03.30 |
sporty |
starseeker: which is your email? that
sm.........@yahoo or Cl...............@gmail ? |
21:03.32 |
starseeker |
I would do <refentry id="man.b.ru"
lang="ru"> |
21:03.39 |
starseeker |
either |
21:03.47 |
sporty |
ok |
21:04.27 |
brlcad |
the id's don't mix with the english ones, they
replace them -- can't they be/stay the same? |
21:04.29 |
starseeker |
It will be a while before I can refocus on
documentation again though |
21:05.04 |
starseeker |
brlcad: Assuming there is no interest in
using multiple language elements in a single document anywhere,
sure |
21:05.06 |
sporty |
starseeker: i';; send you examples to check
withing this hour. Then i will sleep. You can work. It's night in
here |
21:05.08 |
brlcad |
which is what's cool about getting someone
else to focus on it, just enough to get started ;) |
21:05.47 |
sporty |
ok |
21:06.17 |
brlcad |
just thinking simple is better .. mixing
languages could get pretty messy on the build side |
21:06.31 |
brlcad |
unnecessarily messy -- at least on a per-file
basis |
21:06.41 |
starseeker |
True |
21:07.02 |
brlcad |
they're supposed to be stashed into language
dirs anyways, so having english in a 'ru' dir would be bogus in a
way |
21:07.37 |
sporty |
"man.b.ru" lang="ru" - ok, this is a
choice. but the rest of the file structure is as old as that
search.xml - so... i'm about a final variant |
21:08.00 |
sporty |
starseeker: will wiki engine work with these
files "as is"? |
21:08.28 |
sporty |
and: can i use wiki offline? what do i need
for this? |
21:09.10 |
sporty |
<refentry id="man.b.ru"
lang="ru"> |
21:09.25 |
starseeker |
wiki will not (yet) support these files "as
is" |
21:09.35 |
starseeker |
extending it to do so is on my list |
21:09.51 |
sporty |
starseeker: how can i reduce your efforts?
gimme a template |
21:09.59 |
CIA-6 |
BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33271
10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/libtie/tie_kdtree.h: spot a conflicting
type error from irix64, needs to be stdint type |
21:10.16 |
brlcad |
~sporty++ |
21:10.54 |
starseeker |
sporty: Any of the existing files in
brlcad/doc/docbook/system/man1/ |
21:11.04 |
sporty |
starseeker: i can edit already-created files
as youu wish. |
21:11.12 |
starseeker |
In fact, there is a file
mged_cmd_template.xml |
21:11.16 |
sporty |
starseeker: ok, getting it |
21:11.26 |
starseeker |
but the main benefit for you is to do
translations of the existing en files |
21:11.34 |
starseeker |
which are in en |
21:11.37 |
sporty |
starseeker: is this file big (in
kb)? |
21:11.40 |
starseeker |
no |
21:11.48 |
sporty |
ok |
21:12.05 |
starseeker |
For id, just use the command name for
now |
21:12.11 |
starseeker |
no man.b.ru |
21:12.22 |
brlcad |
huh, there is? I searched for two specific
strings from the original html and couldn't find it |
21:12.23 |
starseeker |
If there are id conflicts, we'll work it
out |
21:12.39 |
sporty |
i have about 30-40 files, those big as dm and
so on. tiny files and files with *paragraphs* are on my
list |
21:12.51 |
sporty |
starseeker: ok |
21:13.02 |
brlcad |
oh, oops -- index != template |
21:13.11 |
starseeker |
right |
21:13.42 |
sporty |
well, can i use tag <pre></pre>
for paragraphs? |
21:13.49 |
starseeker |
I don't have a master index file that
xincludes all the individual ones yet - that'll be what replaces
the old appendix in Vol II |
21:14.03 |
sporty |
i mean that bold text from mged cmd
index |
21:14.13 |
starseeker |
looks up the pre
tag |
21:14.17 |
sporty |
starseeker: ok |
21:14.45 |
sporty |
starseeker: i would like to see off-line wiki
engine in brlcad installation |
21:14.55 |
sporty |
...when commands are separate |
21:14.58 |
starseeker |
pre isn't a docbook tag |
21:15.05 |
sporty |
starseeker: ok |
21:15.25 |
starseeker |
legal docbook tags can be found here:
http://www.docbook.org/tdg/en/html/part2.html |
21:15.32 |
brlcad |
sporty: you mean brl-cad
installation |
21:15.47 |
sporty |
brlcad: no, i mean you! |
21:15.54 |
brlcad |
an off-line wiki is kinda pointless
:) |
21:16.29 |
sporty |
brlcad: but it looks good! big mged cmd index
just frighten me! |
21:16.30 |
starseeker |
The off-line way to view these files is either
to point a web browser to the html install directory or use the new
tkhtml3 based doc viewer |
21:16.33 |
starseeker |
in MGED |
21:17.00 |
sporty |
inmmged? |
21:17.01 |
brlcad |
sporty: sure .. that just has nothing to do
with a 'wiki' |
21:17.36 |
brlcad |
off-line viewing is great, breaking up the
page and displaying just the information requested, searchability,
better organization .. all great things |
21:17.43 |
sporty |
ok, i gree to use it in mged - but how will i
interrupt it to add nes argument to the command line? |
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21:18.05 |
sporty |
ok, keep on working |
21:18.09 |
brlcad |
sporty: you work on the conversion, we can
work on the integration |
21:18.41 |
brlcad |
either breaking up the english and stubbing
out more command files (using the mged_cmd_template) .. or by
taking existing command files and translating them |
21:20.28 |
sporty |
brlcad: it's a double work - double
work! |
21:20.41 |
starseeker |
Speaking alphabetically, we have someone who
is already working on commands adc - dup |
21:21.05 |
starseeker |
you'll see those being integrated |
21:21.14 |
sporty |
i'm about an old cmd index - as i said it is
quite easy to read it on english |
21:21.20 |
brlcad |
that's not double work |
21:21.26 |
brlcad |
the old is going away |
21:21.28 |
brlcad |
*poof* |
21:21.34 |
brlcad |
so you can help with that or help
elsewhere |
21:22.11 |
starseeker |
I think he means it's not worth translating a
lot of the docs |
21:22.13 |
sporty |
ok, i have about 30 files "as is", fully
translated, i will send it today for an integration |
21:22.19 |
starseeker |
cool! |
21:22.27 |
starseeker |
thank you |
21:22.27 |
brlcad |
sporty: post it to the patches
tracker |
21:22.34 |
sporty |
starseeker: no, i mean this: |
21:23.00 |
sporty |
The only sake to add other languages are:
1. for those who is in the scholl - but wants some first fast
'results' 2. for fast start with a program. Things like rt or
modelling *do* need at least an english dictionary - and so
on |
21:23.03 |
brlcad |
here,
https://sourceforge.net/tracker2/?func=add&group_id=105292&atid=640804 |
21:23.48 |
brlcad |
sporty: are you just wanting to argue or make
everyone agree with you? it's not necessary |
21:23.56 |
brlcad |
if you don't want to do a translation, then
don't do it |
21:24.03 |
brlcad |
justifying why is not necessary |
21:24.07 |
brlcad |
someone else will eventually |
21:24.13 |
sporty |
brlcad: it's fun i can eat one ice cream
instead of each megabyte of internet traffic... I want to send 50
kb to someone mailbox, not to post files... ah... |
21:25.28 |
brlcad |
sporty: it's easier to track credit for the
contribution if you go through the patches tracker instead of via
e-mail, so that others can be aware of your contributions |
21:25.49 |
brlcad |
that also makes it easier to justify giving
you commit access down the road if you're being
helpful/productive |
21:26.19 |
sporty |
no, i've added pages "about" and "wiki" to
dloman77 box - now i'm trying to disassemble old
mged_cmd_index.html. i have about 200 kb of short commands. this
will be translated shortly wilst i have a break in reading some my
skilled books |
21:26.25 |
brlcad |
shows you can work with others well enough
that you'd be trusted to make the changes directly yourself,
submitting as patches helps that process |
21:26.54 |
brlcad |
sporty: did dloman77 ask for those
changes? |
21:28.12 |
sporty |
it was rus variant |
21:28.35 |
sporty |
brlcad: you have it in your mail box, i
bet! |
21:28.51 |
sporty |
and starseeker already have it, too |
21:30.43 |
sporty |
starseeker: btw, those my messages - don't
even read it now - i have new and edited files |
21:33.22 |
sporty |
oh my lord... i still stay far from http
traffic... I agree to short memory in authors page later, after
all, when i will feel a vanity! |
21:35.45 |
sporty |
i guess i'm offline again |
21:35.53 |
sporty |
no.. |
21:42.05 |
sporty |
shall i leave this or it is not actual:
Currently, only binary objects containing a uniform array of simple
objects is supported. |
21:42.31 |
brlcad |
that's still true |
21:42.38 |
sporty |
ок |
21:43.10 |
sporty |
la-la(Alt+Shift)-ла |
21:43.40 |
sporty |
Ñ
е-Ñ
е = he-he |
21:44.42 |
sporty |
as you can see, main words are same |
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21:54.02 |
sporty |
"brlcad: that's still true" - shame on
you! |
21:58.02 |
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22:06.46 |
sporty |
again, stay far from http - staying far from
http traffic |
22:07.13 |
sporty |
sending |part1| to starseeker |
22:15.07 |
brlcad |
sporty: that's not shameful |
22:15.37 |
brlcad |
non-uniform binary objects have such limited
use (actually NO use to us without implementing other features that
would use them) |
22:16.42 |
brlcad |
it's just that functionality was stubbed for
non-uniform, so the statement is true -- it won't make coffee for
you too, but since we didn't stub it there is no
statement |
22:17.55 |
sporty |
brlcad: ok |
22:21.12 |
sporty |
ok... i wanted to add some "international"
glamour with that ".../d/About" page and wiki and wiki rus
references. Btw, how can i transform pdf-to-html to translate some
pdf files from /d/documents? |
22:22.31 |
starseeker |
Don't know if it's any good, but there's this:
http://pdftohtml.sourceforge.net/ |
22:23.38 |
sporty |
starseeker: i will starve the rest of the week
if i will have gone to sourceforge - but i will go! |
22:25.01 |
sporty |
<PROTECTED> |
22:25.04 |
starseeker |
Even using a text browser? |
22:25.11 |
sporty |
proxy... |
22:25.17 |
starseeker |
is partial to
links |
22:25.37 |
sporty |
starseeker: even pay 0.30 per each
megabyte! |
22:26.00 |
louipc |
poppler is good for pdfto* |
22:26.02 |
louipc |
http://poppler.freedesktop.org/ |
22:26.07 |
sporty |
toonel.net |
22:26.39 |
sporty |
hope it has no dependencies on the different
libs |
22:27.34 |
sporty |
0.30 usd |
22:27.52 |
starseeker |
Here's the original links text browser:
http://links.sourceforge.net/ |
22:28.01 |
sporty |
ok... but i can use it to read my
books... |
22:28.39 |
starseeker |
There used to be services where you could
order CDs/DVDs with whole linux distros on them |
22:28.46 |
starseeker |
perhaps that would be cheaper, even with
shipping |
22:28.57 |
sporty |
starseeker: text browsers don't save
traffic... when your web browser has images turned off |
22:30.10 |
starseeker |
Ah |
22:30.25 |
sporty |
starseeker: i know good asplinux on e.g. 5 cd
s with tons of libs and everything - i do not know anyone with
fresh version, don't want to pay 400 usd for 3-month professional
support |
22:31.08 |
starseeker |
what's the latest version? |
22:32.22 |
sporty |
latest... don't know... it is a Fedora-like
with rpms... My old version was too old for new laptop - and i had
to install ubuntu from one cd |
22:32.44 |
sporty |
www.asplinux.ru |
22:34.00 |
starseeker |
Don't know if these guys are any good, but...
http://www.osdisc.com/cgi-bin/view.cgi/products/linux/asp |
22:34.06 |
brlcad |
sporty: don't do pdf-to-html on
anything |
22:34.18 |
brlcad |
we have the originals in other formats
(whether they be docbook or msword or whatever) |
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22:34.41 |
brlcad |
those are much better starting points than the
pdf unless you are just going to type everything in from
scratch |
22:35.08 |
sporty |
brlcad: why? I want to "format" my skilled
books (600 pages of plain inspiration) - and to translate some
/d/docs |
22:35.15 |
brlcad |
those weren't made in a vaccuum .. we have the
originals ;) |
22:35.55 |
brlcad |
i'm not saying don't do the translation -- i'm
saying don't just start doing a pdf-to-html conversion |
22:36.00 |
brlcad |
starting with the pdf would be
stupid |
22:36.05 |
brlcad |
we have better formats to start from |
22:36.06 |
sporty |
brlcad: ok, which one has a least size in
kilobytes? send me one, i can handle it in a text editor |
22:36.28 |
brlcad |
i can send you volume 1 |
22:36.39 |
brlcad |
if you do a decent job on that, we can try 3
or 2 |
22:37.02 |
brlcad |
2 is already docbookified |
22:37.08 |
sporty |
brlcad: ok, i'm waiting - at morning, one
megabyte will be equal to one ice cream, now it's only 3 megabytes
are equal to one ice cream.... |
22:37.11 |
brlcad |
that'd be the better starting point .. don't
know about vol 1 |
22:37.27 |
brlcad |
sporty: huh? wtf are you talking about?
:) |
22:37.34 |
brlcad |
you want me to buy you some ice
cream? |
22:37.52 |
sporty |
brlcad: let me only to translate it, and "What
size does it have"? |
22:38.10 |
starseeker |
volume 1 is small |
22:38.13 |
brlcad |
tiny |
22:38.16 |
sporty |
Volume one.... let me guess.... 980 kb
?? |
22:38.20 |
brlcad |
i don't remember the exact size, but it's
tiny |
22:38.22 |
sporty |
come on! |
22:38.30 |
sporty |
tell me |
22:38.44 |
brlcad |
what part of "I don't remember" do you not
understand? :) |
22:38.45 |
sporty |
and send now, not after an hour! |
22:39.08 |
sporty |
brlcad: ok, just tell me before you send
it |
22:39.33 |
starseeker |
brlcad: Is that the Overview on the
wiki? |
22:39.38 |
brlcad |
sporty: i'll probably post it and you can pull
it when you're ready |
22:39.48 |
brlcad |
starseeker: yeah, is that docbookified
yet? |
22:39.55 |
starseeker |
Don't think so. |
22:39.57 |
brlcad |
k |
22:40.06 |
brlcad |
good, cause I have that in italian
too |
22:40.07 |
starseeker |
Was just thinking I can copy that text and
send it to him, no images |
22:42.47 |
brlcad |
it's already neatly tagged somewhere |
22:43.06 |
sporty |
starseeker: right! |
22:43.22 |
sporty |
starseeker: this way work will be
faster! |
22:43.37 |
PrezKennedy |
hey, anyone wanna go to Zimbabwe? |
22:43.47 |
PrezKennedy |
i hear their water goes right through
ya... |
22:43.54 |
sporty |
e.g. save the file as "complete html", than
send me only compresseg .html |
22:44.45 |
sporty |
PrezKennedy: i want to ask your daughters'
hands, roasted with ketchup, on a lunch |
22:45.01 |
sporty |
PrezKennedy: it's crisis... and i want to ask
your daughters' hands, roasted with ketchup, on a lunch |
22:47.04 |
PrezKennedy |
yes... i think... |
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22:47.58 |
brlcad |
sporty: well you can copy the text yourself
from the website then too :) |
22:48.02 |
sporty |
PrezKennedy: ok! quickly! i'm hungry ...for
love... |
22:48.19 |
brlcad |
save the page, do your edits |
22:48.27 |
brlcad |
that's also tagged up well enough |
22:48.30 |
sporty |
brlcad: ha-ha - i will have to download .pdf
file |
22:48.36 |
brlcad |
no, volume I |
22:48.50 |
sporty |
brlcad: ok, give me a link |
22:48.59 |
brlcad |
http://brlcad.org/wiki/Overview |
22:49.09 |
sporty |
just don't... ah! /d/documents ?? |
22:49.14 |
sporty |
ok |
22:49.28 |
brlcad |
ah, yeah -- that's even a wiki page, so you
could add the internationalization directly |
22:50.26 |
brlcad |
simplified version here: http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRL-CAD |
22:50.34 |
brlcad |
*very* simplified |
22:50.54 |
sporty |
stares at Bloodhound Gang -
Ballad Of Chasey Lain |
22:51.11 |
sporty |
he's her biggest fan! |
22:51.51 |
sporty |
she have a lot of friends, he has a lot of
time! Come on, sing it 2get there |
22:53.08 |
sporty |
why "simlified" read this:
naturalstuff.110mb.com - second paragraph |
22:56.10 |
brlcad |
i'm saying the wikipedia write-up is a
simplified version of the english variant |
22:56.38 |
brlcad |
and both of those are a simplified derivative
of the wiki/Overview page (they started out as the same
content) |
22:56.43 |
brlcad |
wanders off |
22:58.18 |
sporty |
brlcad: what if i'm editin that page - will
you have to copy my new brave foreign words into some .xml
file? |
22:58.44 |
sporty |
brlcad: do you know Charley Wuffles ? He's a
singer? |
22:59.27 |
sporty |
Charley Wuffles = Charley Shean in "Two and a
half men" |
23:02.44 |
sporty |
ok, going to drink my drinks and watch my
watches |
23:03.07 |
sporty |
i mean going to switch off internet this day
off |
23:03.18 |
sporty |
i mean going to quit the chat |
23:03.27 |
sporty |
i\m quitting |
23:03.42 |
sporty |
bye! see you |
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sporty |
see you're sitting and do not
answering! |
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23:04.37 |
PrezKennedy |
i want what he's on |
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23:26.41 |
IriX64 |
would anybody have any idea on how to solve
the can't find -llibtermlib thing in fbed? |
23:28.00 |
IriX64 |
same in lgt |
23:29.32 |
Ralith |
IriX64: -l implies a "lib" prefix; try
-ltermlib |
23:29.47 |
Ralith |
unless I'm missing something |
23:30.06 |
IriX64 |
ahh thankyou |
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Ralith |
brlcad: do you still have that paper on
cutaway generation lying around? |
23:52.15 |
Ralith |
can't find where he put
it |
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