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mafm |
night |
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CIA-31 |
BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33541
10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: few ideas that have been on mind for a while.
vrml importer, brl-cad taxonomy document, and incremental
raytrace-based display manager interface. |
01:51.45 |
CIA-31 |
BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33542
10/brlcad/trunk/doc/html/manuals/mged/mged2.html: Fix problem with
eto specification as reported in bug #2120094 |
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03:27.28 |
starseeker |
grumbles... cating mpg files
together results in something that doesn't work on rockbox, and
rockbox doesn't (yet) support movie playlists out of
box |
03:28.12 |
starseeker |
decides to go for broke and
build latest svn with patch, and crosses fingers he doesn't brick
anything... |
03:37.13 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
cating most types of mpeg files produces
something that does not work on most things. |
03:37.36 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
main exception is if it is a
streamrip |
03:37.54 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
even then, you must rebuild the
index |
03:38.15 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
mencoder of the mplayer package may be your
friend on this |
03:38.41 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
otherwise, try kino |
03:39.10 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
http://www.kinodv.org/ |
03:39.31 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
(returns to topic) |
03:39.35 |
Ralith |
starseeker: you could just concat them with
mencoder |
03:39.50 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
correct |
03:41.38 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
should look something like |
03:42.08 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
#mencoder file1.mpg file2.mpg -o outfile.mpg
-oac copy -ovc copy |
03:43.14 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
anyone ever research STEP, or read the STEP
application handbook? |
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04:14.29 |
brlcad |
starseeker: while it might work for some
combinations of mpg's, I can't imagine that cat'ing together two
random mpg files would work on most players |
04:14.43 |
brlcad |
invalid timestamps and sync blocks |
04:14.53 |
brlcad |
different encoding settings |
04:15.26 |
brlcad |
Dr_Phreakenstein: we've done a lot more than
research it |
04:15.47 |
brlcad |
developing a step importer is one of our top
priorities |
04:16.37 |
brlcad |
have not read the step application handbook,
though, I must admit |
04:17.07 |
brlcad |
downloads |
04:21.21 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
nice |
04:22.13 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
the one i am refering to was found
at |
04:22.15 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
http://www.tc184-sc4.org/SC4_Open/SC4_Standards_Developers_Info/Files/STEP_application_handbook_63006.pdf |
04:22.16 |
brlcad |
we have most of the rest of the spec, though,
ap's 203, 214, 22, 23, 24, and 11 |
04:22.25 |
brlcad |
nods, already have
it |
04:22.38 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
figured that was it |
04:22.52 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
i just got it myself |
04:23.00 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
looks like a nice little read |
04:23.17 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
you mentioned an importer... |
04:23.28 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
what about export? |
04:23.38 |
brlcad |
eventually, ideally yes |
04:23.52 |
brlcad |
first priority is on an importer
though |
04:24.07 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
i do not know, but i should think that one
would facilitate the other, to an extent |
04:24.17 |
brlcad |
it's actually a funded priority, importer
should be completed sometime this year |
04:24.29 |
brlcad |
to a limited extent |
04:24.35 |
brlcad |
it's a lot easier to make an
exporter |
04:25.06 |
brlcad |
more grunt code in an exporter and basic
architecting to let the user specify what format they want
exported |
04:26.34 |
brlcad |
example, say you have a model of just an
implicit sphere and a box that overlap with a CSG operation to
subtract one from the other |
04:27.02 |
brlcad |
using 203 and 214, we 'could' (and ideally by
default will) export exactly that, preserving our data
exactly |
04:27.22 |
brlcad |
yet that's not something most CAD systems will
grok |
04:29.16 |
brlcad |
other options might be to output
spline-surface brep with csg operations, evaluated spline-surface
brep, evaluated polygonal brep, volumetric, among others |
04:29.58 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
i see |
04:30.48 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
well, brlcad is my cad of choice, except maybe
qcad for simple 2d, until i get better with brlcad |
04:31.14 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
primarily interested in not losing any data to
go to a postprocessor |
04:32.00 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
should not need much to load that into a CAM
system and send to machine as STEP-NC |
04:32.07 |
brlcad |
Dr_Phreakenstein: so you're interesting in
working on the step exporter? :) |
04:32.30 |
brlcad |
thinks you should 'go for it'
;) |
04:34.28 |
Ralith |
STEP-NC? |
04:34.32 |
brlcad |
be glad to help out any way I can if you do
get started on it |
04:34.55 |
brlcad |
looking to use the NIST toolkit at least for
importing -- not sure how helpful it would be for export |
04:37.36 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
well, i may not be quite up for it |
04:37.46 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
still learning brlcad myself |
04:38.12 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
not saying no, i just do not want to commit to
something unrealistic |
04:39.08 |
brlcad |
understandable |
04:39.19 |
brlcad |
can you code? |
04:40.54 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
learning python |
04:40.55 |
brlcad |
the "learning brl-cad" part is a never-ending
process (i've been 'learning' it for 10 years and don't know it
all) |
04:41.22 |
brlcad |
just depends where you draw the line and what
to chew off when |
04:41.27 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
at over 5 million lines, i should think
not |
04:41.29 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
true |
04:41.38 |
brlcad |
it's actually only about 1 million
lines |
04:41.56 |
brlcad |
just barely over 1 |
04:46.51 |
brlcad |
(don't count the sources in src/other/ and
regress/ -- they're 3rd party bundled dependencies and long
regression scripts) |
04:47.12 |
brlcad |
can run sh/enumeration.sh to get more details
if you have a source checkout |
04:47.26 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
i ran it, and it failed |
04:47.41 |
brlcad |
oh? |
04:47.51 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
i used find, grep, and wc |
04:48.50 |
IriX64 |
http://rafb.net/p/grYR4Y43.html
<--- this at install time, i was hoping it was fixed since
last i reported it |
04:49.51 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
cat `find -type f|grep -v .svn`|wc
-l |
04:49.56 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
that's what i used |
04:50.33 |
brlcad |
IriX64: we talked about that just
*yesterday* |
04:51.16 |
brlcad |
so stop pasting it unless you figure something
new out |
04:51.31 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
on svn 33542 |
04:51.39 |
brlcad |
Dr_Phreakenstein: which is why you're about 4
million lines off ;) |
04:51.53 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
i would suppose so |
04:52.02 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
5644578 |
04:52.13 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
that is the dumb counting method |
04:52.13 |
brlcad |
can you paste the output of enumeration.sh
? |
04:52.18 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
... |
04:53.07 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
<PROTECTED> |
04:53.08 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
<PROTECTED> |
04:53.10 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
<PROTECTED> |
04:53.11 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
<PROTECTED> |
04:53.13 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
<PROTECTED> |
04:53.14 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
<PROTECTED> |
04:53.16 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
<PROTECTED> |
04:53.17 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
<PROTECTED> |
04:53.19 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
... |
04:53.26 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
2374 BRL-CAD Files |
04:53.26 |
brlcad |
well that much looks okay |
04:53.28 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
<PROTECTED> |
04:53.29 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
<PROTECTED> |
04:53.30 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
<PROTECTED> |
04:53.32 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
expr: syntax error |
04:53.33 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
expr: syntax error |
04:53.37 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
expr: syntax error |
04:53.38 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
dc: stack empty |
04:53.41 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
dc: stack empty |
04:53.42 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
dc: stack empty |
04:53.44 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
dc: stack empty |
04:53.50 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
dc: stack empty |
04:53.54 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
dc: stack empty |
04:53.56 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
----------------------------------------- |
04:53.58 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
-- LINE COUNT TOTALS
-- |
04:54.02 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
----------------------------------------- |
04:54.04 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
<PROTECTED> |
04:54.06 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
<PROTECTED> |
04:54.08 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
<PROTECTED> |
04:54.10 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
<PROTECTED> |
04:54.12 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
<PROTECTED> |
04:54.14 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
<PROTECTED> |
04:54.16 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
<PROTECTED> |
04:54.18 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
<PROTECTED> |
04:54.21 |
brlcad |
so cascade counting failure |
04:54.22 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
<PROTECTED> |
04:54.26 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
<PROTECTED> |
04:54.28 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
1564461 3rd Party Code (not counted
above) |
04:54.30 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
(edited for some redundancy) |
04:54.54 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
note, I am using amd64 arch |
04:54.58 |
brlcad |
btw, pastebin would probably be better for
most things over just a handful of lines (for future ref)
;) |
04:55.04 |
brlcad |
that wouldn't matter |
04:55.12 |
brlcad |
it's just a shell script |
04:55.25 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
well, dc often fails |
04:55.32 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
have not investigated why |
04:55.58 |
brlcad |
dc is because the expr's fail |
04:56.40 |
brlcad |
expr's fail because a previous count
failed |
04:57.40 |
brlcad |
aha, that's right around where it starts using
awk |
04:57.44 |
brlcad |
do you have awk? |
04:58.15 |
brlcad |
and is this a linux amd64 or some other
OS? |
04:58.46 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
yes, gentoo |
04:59.06 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
oh, yes |
04:59.14 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
can't get by w/out it |
04:59.48 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
GNU Awk 3.1.6 |
05:02.39 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
<brlcad> thanks for tip on pastebin;
i've never used it |
05:02.52 |
brlcad |
sure |
05:03.02 |
brlcad |
there are a bunch of them |
05:03.46 |
brlcad |
e.g., one at http://paste.bzflag.bz/ and
.. |
05:03.50 |
brlcad |
~pastebin |
05:03.50 |
ibot |
[~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based
service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding
the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste
, http://paste.lisp.org ,
http://www.rafb.net/paste |
05:03.56 |
brlcad |
few others |
05:04.17 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
thanks |
05:04.18 |
brlcad |
the .com is probably the worst |
05:04.40 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
in terms of over use? |
05:05.16 |
brlcad |
overuse (lag, spam), often unreachable on
various networks due to blocks/abuse |
05:07.43 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
nice |
05:07.55 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
will use in future |
05:11.13 |
CIA-31 |
BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33543
10/brlcad/trunk/sh/enumerate.sh: try a few minor portability tweaks
for the 'sum' function |
05:11.25 |
brlcad |
give that a try |
05:14.05 |
CIA-31 |
BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33544
10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: Robert Penny reported and fixed a minor
documentation bug in the mged tutorial where the 'in' command had
wrong values listed (two transposed params) |
05:17.30 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
http://pastebin.ca/1307831 |
05:18.21 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
expires 1 hr |
05:23.03 |
brlcad |
no matter, a "no change" would have worked too
in that particular instance ;) |
05:23.25 |
brlcad |
guessing it's the sum function, just not sure
where/why yet |
05:23.37 |
brlcad |
adding in some debug |
05:28.45 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
will investigate |
05:37.37 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
<brlcad>please see http://pastebin.ca/1307843 |
05:37.48 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
turns out you have to run it from that
dir |
05:38.03 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
please compare counts to yours to make sure
they are good |
05:40.37 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
i was running as sh/enumerate.sh from brlcad
directory |
05:41.37 |
brlcad |
that's how I usually run it actually |
05:41.42 |
brlcad |
but that does help |
05:41.43 |
CIA-31 |
BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33545
10/brlcad/trunk/sh/enumerate.sh: add some basic debugging to help
isolate a problem with the tabulations on linux from
Dr_Phreakenstein, can run via: DEBUG=1 sh/enumerate.sh |
05:47.40 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
ok, this does not make sense... |
05:47.54 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
i ran it from brlcad root... |
05:48.48 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
with debug, it got same count and no errors
(well, + 8 lines, but that is expected from change. other count was
off many thousands) |
05:49.53 |
brlcad |
what are your debug lines? |
05:52.38 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
http://pastebin.ca/1307850 |
05:55.29 |
brlcad |
huh, that is very odd |
05:55.43 |
brlcad |
i mean, it looks like what I'd
expect |
05:56.20 |
brlcad |
everything looks fine other than it being a
clean checkout count so generated files aren't counted |
06:00.00 |
brlcad |
what's odd is that it suddenly works now..
(does it work without DEBUG=1?) |
06:00.07 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
checking |
06:02.11 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
sure 'nuff, looks good |
06:02.17 |
brlcad |
huh! |
06:06.11 |
brlcad |
then out of ideas beyond a shell bug or some
wierd typo somewhere (which I don't see) |
06:07.26 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
neither do i |
06:07.39 |
brlcad |
and I must fold it up for tonight though, too
.. early meeting later today |
06:07.45 |
brlcad |
at least it runs now |
06:08.14 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
I am no sh wizard, but i vote to leave debug
in there, since magic seems to work, now |
06:08.26 |
Dr_Phreakenstein |
have fun at meeting |
06:11.05 |
brlcad |
yeah, will need some more work |
06:11.16 |
brlcad |
maybe more pervasive debug
statements |
06:11.21 |
brlcad |
anyways, cheers! |
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hi |
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brlcad |
howdy howdy |
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brlcad |
mafm: tv is doing just fine, great
actually |
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archivist |
becoming a couch potato |
12:54.57 |
mafm |
but probably is telling you lies anyway
:D |
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brlcad |
the lies are on par with the ones I hear in
real life |
12:58.37 |
brlcad |
mostly background noise while I code unless
I'm watching a movie (which is what I do most of the time with
it) |
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brlcad |
wow, nice ..
http://www.qtsoftware.com/about/news/lgpl-license-option-added-to-qt |
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alex_joni |
that should boost things |
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mafm |
in the last years I forgot about tv, I lived
in houses without it and not missing it much, it's
strange |
13:23.35 |
mafm |
hmm, LGPL as in linking non-open
programs? |
13:24.41 |
mafm |
so it's now mostly like GTK |
13:30.44 |
starseeker |
's jaw drops |
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starseeker |
Uh.... |
13:31.11 |
starseeker |
Didn't that just blow Trolltech's business
model away? |
13:31.20 |
starseeker |
or Nokia's now I guess? |
13:32.53 |
starseeker |
gleefully contemplates an
unholy mating of QT and Ogre3d |
13:33.57 |
starseeker |
glares at rockbox's player -
for some reason mpg's combined with mencoder don't give back
audio |
13:34.13 |
starseeker |
Dr_Phreakenstein: thanks, that should have
worked |
13:34.51 |
starseeker |
almost bricked ipod trying to
build and install custom version - apparently it's VERY sensitive
to which compiler version... |
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starseeker |
alright, nevermind |
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starseeker |
prepares to launch back into
the fray |
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BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r33546
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needed on these character arrays (i.e. they're inititialized below
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BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33547
10/brlcad/trunk/src/shapes/picket_fence.c: msvc probably didn't
like that they were empty initializers. give them a value and it
should be happy. |
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10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/ (inside.c typein.c): Add code to
prevent interrupts during database writes. |
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10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/ (Makefile.am arbs.c cmd.c cmd.h inside.c
setup.c typein.c): Mods to use libged's ged_in and ged_inside
functions. |
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BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33550
10/brlcad/trunk/BUGS: mged on mac crashes if you link against the
system tcl/tk libs |
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CIA-44 |
BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33551
10/brlcad/trunk/BUGS: the fast4-g line skipping bug was fixed a
while back |
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10/brlcad/trunk/BUGS: |
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CIA-44 |
BRL-CAD: pipe primitive no longer calls
dynamic allocation during run-time thanks to |
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CIA-44 |
BRL-CAD: john. remove the lingering default
doesn't work (because it seems to work just |
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BRL-CAD: fine and that code has changed a fair
bit). also, rtwizard seems to be working |
17:27.21 |
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BRL-CAD: mged should read just fine from stdin
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17:36.01 |
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BRL-CAD: on. this also fixes one remaining bug
when reading in from stdin via gets -- |
17:36.03 |
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BRL-CAD: was getting an error of: can't rename
to "execute_cmd_save": command already |
17:36.05 |
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BRL-CAD: exists |
17:39.26 |
brlcad |
howdy madant ! |
17:40.23 |
madant |
hi sean :) |
17:40.32 |
madant |
happy new year |
17:40.36 |
brlcad |
likewise |
17:40.40 |
brlcad |
how's the break? |
17:40.55 |
madant |
awesome till now.. |
17:41.07 |
brlcad |
classes starting back up? |
17:41.18 |
madant |
not yet |
17:41.39 |
madant |
went for some climbing towards the end of the
year |
17:42.09 |
madant |
sports climbing mostly .. was fun.. i think i
have wasted enough time loitering around enjoying though
:D |
17:42.14 |
brlcad |
so then what's the "till now"? |
17:42.24 |
brlcad |
nods |
17:42.50 |
madant |
i might be going to an Institute for a couple
of months to get exposure into some sustainable
technologies |
17:43.25 |
madant |
and I have an Interview from a B-school coming
up towards the end of March.. |
17:43.54 |
madant |
Imagine 200 people getting selected out of
2,80,000 :D |
17:44.41 |
madant |
and in the middle of all this I haven't been
able to do a single productive thing since september :D |
17:44.50 |
madant |
how is the winter in US ? |
17:45.27 |
brlcad |
brick |
17:45.31 |
brlcad |
er, brisk :) |
17:46.40 |
brlcad |
productive, but so much going on that it's
tricky to stay focused on any one task for very long |
17:47.02 |
madant |
:D I live pretty close to the equator .. so
almost no winter here.. |
17:47.31 |
brlcad |
nods |
17:47.32 |
madant |
in the end to create anything of value one has
to stay focused on one task for long |
17:48.09 |
madant |
geometry service coming up good ? |
17:48.15 |
brlcad |
used to have that back in the day, but seasons
are nice for mixing things up every now and then (e.g., easier to
code in the winter when there's really not much more you could do
outside) |
17:48.25 |
brlcad |
yeah, steady pace there |
17:48.46 |
brlcad |
libged's getting tied back into mged now,
which should flesh out any remaining issues |
17:49.18 |
brlcad |
the service daemon is just about ready to go
on-line for simple read/write testing probably in a week or
so |
17:49.30 |
madant |
what about mafm's ide work |
17:50.21 |
brlcad |
not much has changed there |
17:50.30 |
brlcad |
it's about where he left it |
17:50.54 |
brlcad |
that's one of a hundred projects I'd love to
be working on |
17:51.14 |
madant |
hmm.. I am really hopeful of spending at least
15 hours per week on libpc |
17:51.24 |
mafm |
ide? |
17:51.35 |
brlcad |
the new gui |
17:51.36 |
madant |
oops i meant gui :D |
17:52.11 |
brlcad |
you going to apply to gsoc again if we
participate again? |
17:52.32 |
mafm |
me? |
17:52.36 |
madant |
don't know about my student status |
17:52.52 |
mafm |
I don't think that I'll be eligible
anymore |
17:52.55 |
brlcad |
an informal announcement just went out a
couple days ago saying it's on again for this year |
17:53.02 |
brlcad |
mafm: oh? |
17:53.12 |
brlcad |
that partly sucks :) |
17:53.21 |
madant |
yeah i saw the group post.. lh trying to
publicise :D |
17:53.24 |
brlcad |
i mean great that you're done and all, if
that's why :) |
17:53.55 |
brlcad |
course, you could always continue as a mentor
too ;) |
17:54.06 |
madant |
I would love to take part again.. but i think
i would love to work on it before .. morally feels odd if i only
work during SoC :P |
17:54.11 |
mafm |
I'm finishing the project and I have to defend
it, but I don't know if that will count |
17:54.39 |
madant |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Institutes_of_Management
is the B-school i was talking about :) |
17:54.41 |
brlcad |
mafm: will you still be a full-time student by
the time the program begins? |
17:54.47 |
mafm |
if not I could be mentor I guess, but I don't
have much experience as mentor |
17:55.17 |
mafm |
begins by the end of may? I don't think so,
but not sure |
17:55.24 |
madant |
would we be getting more slots this year ? i
mean more students compared to last ? |
17:55.59 |
brlcad |
madant: so why wouldn't yout have student
status? those are business schools |
17:56.24 |
madant |
yeah i will have student status if I clear the
interview :) |
17:56.53 |
madant |
basically .28 million people wrote in.. they
have shortlisted 800 :D |
17:57.11 |
brlcad |
and no, wouldn't likely accept more slots --
that pretty much put us at effective mentoring capacity |
17:57.12 |
madant |
now i have to clear the interview to be in the
170 or so :D |
17:57.58 |
madant |
can imagine.. without good mentoring
especially in such a huge code base things can go pretty
crazy |
17:57.59 |
brlcad |
totally depends on the students, but if you
guys had been more 'green', it could have been pretty bad with
four, or could have easily taken 8 .. but 4 people working full
time is a lot of progress to review and integrate
regardless |
17:58.33 |
brlcad |
probably will reduce the slot count for
bzflag |
17:58.35 |
mafm |
more green? |
17:58.48 |
mafm |
immature? |
17:58.56 |
madant |
i think he means active :D |
17:59.11 |
brlcad |
with the weaker students there last year, six
slots was too many (and we had 2X the number of mentors as
here) |
17:59.18 |
brlcad |
green == inexperienced |
17:59.52 |
madant |
i think mentoring must be tougher than coding
. |
18:00.17 |
madant |
I have always found checking someone else's
code difficult compared to writing |
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18:03.02 |
madant |
let me see how much progress I can make in the
next couple of months, otherwise it would be pointless to eat up a
gsoc slot @ brl-cad which some other student could use for doing
some good work. |
18:03.04 |
brlcad |
depends on the code and who wrote it
;) |
18:03.16 |
madant |
@brlcad true |
18:03.43 |
madant |
u must have read the beautiful code book we
got last year as students ? |
18:04.05 |
brlcad |
some of it was quite nice actually |
18:04.40 |
brlcad |
you guys (all 4) were pretty above par in
terms of readability and communication |
18:05.03 |
madant |
I totally loved the section on geometry where
the author discusses various ways of checking for
collinearity |
18:05.08 |
madant |
of three points |
18:05.11 |
brlcad |
I think that libpc is coming together quite
nicely actually |
18:05.34 |
brlcad |
section on geometry? |
18:05.37 |
brlcad |
some book? |
18:06.16 |
madant |
not a section.. a chapter. |
18:07.19 |
madant |
1 sec i will give the link |
18:07.47 |
brlcad |
an entire chapter that says two slopes are
equal? |
18:08.16 |
brlcad |
or adding two distances will give the
third? |
18:08.22 |
mafm |
haven't found time to read
the Beautiful Code book yet |
18:08.23 |
madant |
:D not really he considers the comparing
slopes and addition idea |
18:08.24 |
mafm |
:( |
18:08.43 |
madant |
but then in the case of slopes there is the
issue of infinite slope for a vertical line |
18:08.59 |
mafm |
so what's the plan for gsoc this
year? |
18:09.13 |
madant |
and for the distances there is the case of
square roots being involved and floating point
considerations |
18:09.50 |
mafm |
another 4 students? I might consider applying
if I had the possibility, but it's not an strict requirement for my
collaboration with brl-cad |
18:09.53 |
brlcad |
madant: sure, but those don't mean the
approach itself is flawed, they're just boundary cases that have to
be dealt with on the implementation |
18:10.15 |
brlcad |
mafm: up to 4 (if we get accepted) |
18:10.17 |
madant |
exactly.. the author was just putting forward
his concept of beautiful code |
18:10.22 |
mafm |
I don't know if I'd be prepared for being a
mentor, but when I'm done with the project (3 months or so) I
should have more time available and less traveling to do |
18:10.23 |
madant |
in the end the most elegant solution :) was
finding the area of the triangle formed by the three points which
is a simple determinant |
18:10.28 |
brlcad |
highly expect org selections will be reduced
this year |
18:10.45 |
brlcad |
mafm: you could specifically mentor someone
working on the gui ;) |
18:10.52 |
brlcad |
picking up where you left off |
18:10.57 |
madant |
brlcad: why ? last year google had trouble
coordinating ? |
18:10.59 |
mafm |
for continuing with the gui and so on (I don't
know if you're finished with the refactoring, haven't seen anything
on -devel ML about that) |
18:11.23 |
mafm |
well, but the applicant might be more
experience than me, that's embarrasing :D |
18:11.25 |
brlcad |
madant: nope, reduced economy is making
spending hard for most companies |
18:11.29 |
mafm |
experienced* |
18:11.43 |
brlcad |
the fact that they're even going to hold a
gsoc is a pretty big deal |
18:12.21 |
brlcad |
mafm: I haven't even gotten started on the
refactoring aspect .. and the announcement today has opened up
another possibility that was a non-starter previously |
18:12.23 |
madant |
brlcad: maybe that's why the heads up. I mean
i was kind of surprised why LH felt like spreading the
news |
18:13.19 |
brlcad |
for some perspective, even the Microsoft
gorilla is expected to lay off about 17k people worldwide in order
to safe money |
18:13.22 |
brlcad |
er, save |
18:13.23 |
mafm |
you mean the announcement of gsoc? but that's
what a few days ago, wasn't it? |
18:13.34 |
madant |
It didn't even strike me that they might
consider not conducting it :D |
18:13.50 |
brlcad |
yeah |
18:14.07 |
mafm |
so another student would do the refactoring...
of what? GUI or other internal parts? |
18:14.29 |
brlcad |
some companies are in pretty big trouble ..
fortunately google has been doing pretty well (the stock market
reinforces that position too) |
18:14.43 |
brlcad |
mafm: whatever they propose |
18:15.04 |
brlcad |
picking up where you left off and making more
progress is all that matters.. work is work |
18:15.09 |
brlcad |
regardless of it being on the front-end or
back-end |
18:15.17 |
mafm |
I see |
18:15.55 |
mafm |
well, as I said I might continue my work
somewhat soon |
18:16.31 |
brlcad |
I'd still like to see the prototype get closer
to visually resembling some of the back look n' feel of the IOE,
there's plenty of engine work to be done, build system
integration/cleanup, command integration, ... |
18:19.20 |
madant |
brlcad: this is the page and the book
http://books.google.com/books?id=gJrmszNHQV4C&pg=RA7-PA519&lpg=RA7-PA519 |
18:19.38 |
mafm |
yep, it's a lot of work really |
18:21.35 |
madant |
and the article was by Brian Hayes - Writing
Programs for "The Book" |
18:22.37 |
madant |
mafm: do read Beautiful code , some parts are
good :) and Best of luck for defending your thesis |
18:23.44 |
brlcad |
so he recommends the area approach, simple
enough |
18:24.01 |
brlcad |
ah, so this is the book google sent you
guys? |
18:24.06 |
madant |
yep |
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18:24.58 |
mafm |
yes, I might... but I have to do much more
reading :| |
18:25.17 |
mafm |
and the book is quite a brick |
18:25.25 |
mafm |
last year's was more manageable |
18:25.54 |
madant |
:D i think this one was more
enjoyable.. |
18:27.43 |
mafm |
I have about 40 books to read, half of them
somewhat urgently :| |
18:28.46 |
mafm |
hmm, nope, more like 10 actually -- and
fortunately |
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10/brlcad/trunk/BUGS: make extrude no longer crashes, bot values
display with local units |
18:29.56 |
madant |
my very incomplete Reading List http://dawtho.googlepages.com/ReadingList |
18:34.27 |
madant |
brlcad: regarding libpc, I will go back to the
list of TODOs I had at the end of gsoc and start finishing them one
by one. |
18:35.37 |
brlcad |
madant: sounds like a plan ;) |
18:35.39 |
mafm |
madant: R, the language? |
18:36.05 |
madant |
there is a boundary problem which sort of ate
my head for quite sometime. I have temporarily sorted it out by
storing the value of the variable before iteration |
18:36.41 |
madant |
basically, if the variable value is on the
boundary the iteration somehow does not go through the entire
sample space. |
18:36.56 |
madant |
mafm: yeah |
18:37.16 |
madant |
mafm: The R book is not that impressive
though.. very sloppily written i think |
18:37.41 |
mafm |
I have to deal with it in my project |
18:38.08 |
madant |
kewl, you are working in statistics
? |
18:38.48 |
mafm |
nope |
18:38.57 |
mafm |
well, somewhat |
18:39.14 |
mafm |
not-supervised learning |
18:40.29 |
madant |
so u use R for analysing the results
? |
18:40.59 |
mafm |
I have to translate from R and Fortran to
Java |
18:41.03 |
madant |
mafm: is machine learning fun? |
18:41.19 |
madant |
:O why Java ? |
18:41.23 |
madant |
is
javaphobic |
18:41.24 |
mafm |
to classify automatically objects in different
clusters |
18:41.31 |
mafm |
requirements of the ESA |
18:42.48 |
mafm |
R is a bit chaotic for big projects I think
(I'm not fan of weakly-typed languages in general), but anyway it
was not my decision |
18:43.08 |
mafm |
but it's very handy for some tasks |
18:43.25 |
madant |
R is pretty neat. I mean you can pretty much
do anything with it if numbers are involved |
18:43.38 |
BigAToo |
Do any of you know where I can get a ver
7.12.2 that is compiled for x86 32bit to try? |
18:44.42 |
madant |
mafm: I am interested in Morphometric
applications |
18:45.16 |
madant |
I would have loved to try some economic (
econometric ) modeling but my economic skills suck i
think |
18:46.13 |
mafm |
BigAToo: nope, sorry |
18:46.52 |
mafm |
R has automatic plotting and so on, is kind of
a command-line spreadsheet :D |
18:47.31 |
``Erik |
kinda like gnuplot? O.o |
18:47.45 |
mafm |
never used it |
18:48.13 |
mafm |
but you can create matrices and vectors of
many types and ways and operate with functions over the
data |
18:48.20 |
BigAToo |
I have loved 7.10.4 that I have been using but
would like to see the new stuff. Thanks |
18:56.00 |
mafm |
BigAToo: for some reason there's only amd64,
for linuz |
18:58.11 |
BigAToo |
Yep, I am going to try it on my XP VM and then
try and compile it. |
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19:19.20 |
brlcad |
BigAToo: an updated 32-bit binary should be
uploaded soon |
19:20.08 |
brlcad |
from 7.10 to 7.12 is mostly minor updates --
you can see the list of changes since 7.10.4 in the NEWS file:
http://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/brlcad/brlcad/trunk/NEWS |
19:20.23 |
brlcad |
~factinfo cadnews |
19:20.23 |
ibot |
brlcad: there's no such factoid as
cadnews |
19:20.33 |
brlcad |
~cadnews is
http://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/brlcad/brlcad/trunk/NEWS |
19:20.34 |
ibot |
brlcad: okay |
19:20.48 |
brlcad |
~cadtodo is
http://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/brlcad/brlcad/trunk/TODO |
19:20.49 |
ibot |
brlcad: okay |
19:20.53 |
brlcad |
~cadbugs is
http://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/brlcad/brlcad/trunk/BUGS |
19:20.54 |
ibot |
okay, brlcad |
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madant |
loved "Man on
Wire" |
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