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| 00:35.15 | CIA-19 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33559 10/brlcad/trunk/include/bu.h: rewrite the implementation of BU_BITV_ZEROALL to manually zero the bytes of the bit vector so that we don't call memset directly. that way we don't have to require string.h and make the function call. |
| 01:00.07 | starseeker | brlcad: What do you think - does QT going LGPL have implications for us? |
| 01:01.07 | mafm2 | scrap TCL! :P |
| 01:05.20 | madant | :D I second deTCLing : |
| 01:09.25 | mafm2 | :) |
| 01:09.26 | louipc | uhhh |
| 01:09.28 | mafm2 | night! |
| 01:11.03 | louipc | night |
| 01:35.30 | ``Erik | http://www.collegehumor.com/picture:1896932 pew pew |
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| 02:18.24 | ``Erik | WOOO! mark gromley! yeah! wooo! |
| 02:19.59 | ``Erik | gormley, rather |
| 02:21.07 | Axman6 | anyone know if there are any plans for OpenCL use in BRL-CAD? |
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| 02:50.40 | louipc | Axman6: I'd guess that it's too knew for there to be any plans hah. |
| 02:50.55 | Axman6 | bah! :P |
| 02:51.52 | louipc | and there are a million more important things to be done ... |
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| 05:34.16 | brlcad | starseeker: yes, it does -- the license was the primary issue and a non-starter |
| 05:36.20 | brlcad | it could conceivably be a suitable replacement for rbgui, still using custom widgets on a 3D context though |
| 05:36.39 | brlcad | and still using ogre for visualization |
| 05:40.06 | brlcad | madant1: you're welcome to help with that decoupling, the first tasks are to refactor out the tcl portions from libbu, libbn, and librt |
| 05:40.38 | brlcad | otherwise tcl isn't going away from the gui, it'll just be joined by a couple other options |
| 05:40.52 | brlcad | Axman6: yeah, what louipc said |
| 05:41.19 | Axman6 | do you think it may be possible in the future? just curious |
| 05:41.34 | Axman6 | seems like BRL-CAd could benefit a lot from it |
| 05:41.47 | brlcad | just about anything is possible |
| 05:42.20 | brlcad | if someone wanted to work in that area, I certainly wouldn't be opposed |
| 05:43.06 | brlcad | but it probably wouldn't make my top 10 or probably even my top 100 of things we need to be work on next |
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| 06:37.35 | CIA-19 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33560 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (8 files in 2 dirs): rename bu_tcl.c and bn_tcl.c to just tcl.c for consistency with the other half-dozen+ libs that already use that name. |
| 06:37.46 | CIA-19 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33561 10/brlcad/trunk/include/bu.h: ws |
| 06:41.55 | CIA-19 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33562 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/ (4 files in 4 dirs): more updates for moving to tcl.c for consistency |
| 06:56.03 | Axman6 | brlcad: what sort of things would make those lists? |
| 07:55.09 | Ralith | Axman6, he's got a personal list somewhere on brlcad.org |
| 08:04.47 | madant1 | er.. this? http://brlcad.org/~sean/ideas.html |
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| 08:24.45 | Ralith | madant1, yeah, that |
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| 08:34.15 | Ralith | ooo |
| 08:34.18 | Ralith | OpenCSG looks cool |
| 08:34.24 | Ralith | brlcad, is there anything seriously wrong with it? |
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| 10:22.52 | mafm | hi there |
| 10:57.13 | Ralith | hullo |
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| 13:19.51 | brlcad | Ralith: performance |
| 13:21.38 | starseeker | eyes Ayam GUI and wonders why he doesn't remember seeing this before... |
| 13:22.06 | brlcad | ayam's been around for years |
| 13:22.23 | starseeker | so I see |
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| 13:23.11 | starseeker | wonder if their nurbs editing logic would be useful... |
| 13:24.26 | brlcad | for editing, sure ;) |
| 13:24.35 | brlcad | they don't do ray-tracing |
| 13:24.44 | brlcad | but they probably have a tessellation routine that would be useful |
| 13:28.19 | starseeker | has a feeling he stumbled onto ayam as an undergraduate... |
| 13:28.43 | starseeker | heh - metaballs :-) http://ayam.sourceforge.net/ni/ayam-metaflight.gif |
| 13:31.27 | brlcad | yep |
| 13:31.40 | brlcad | and they tessellate metaballs, that's a routine that could be reviewed |
| 13:32.07 | brlcad | they're one of the most comprehensive primitive sets close to ours |
| 13:32.11 | brlcad | a few we don't do even |
| 13:32.18 | brlcad | like the birail |
| 13:32.26 | starseeker | nifty |
| 13:32.39 | starseeker | is that openCSG doing those, or do they do their own? |
| 13:34.30 | brlcad | doing what? |
| 13:34.41 | brlcad | they have a csg-preview mode that uses opencsg |
| 13:34.47 | brlcad | http://ayam.sourceforge.net/docs/pics/csgex.gif |
| 13:35.04 | starseeker | er - doing -> "implementing core logic for" |
| 13:35.24 | starseeker | noticed openCSG was GPL :-/ |
| 13:37.27 | starseeker | ayam BSD licensed though... cooool |
| 13:38.05 | starseeker | is still excited by QT LGPL news :-) |
| 13:39.40 | brlcad | starseeker: if you're interested in what openCSG does, there is better research on the matter |
| 13:39.55 | brlcad | some that would be close to representing an entire vehicle |
| 13:40.09 | brlcad | from my favorite solid modeling researcher |
| 13:40.54 | starseeker | brlcad: Yes, he lept to mind the instant I saw the website :-) |
| 13:41.15 | starseeker | is more interested in ayam's goodies and how mappable they are to BRL-CAD |
| 13:41.30 | _sushi_ | I went shopping with one international model and designer |
| 13:41.37 | _sushi_ | I forgot to ask him if he does solid modeling too |
| 13:41.39 | brlcad | mm.. sushi |
| 13:41.54 | starseeker | now, now - no eating the channel denzians |
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| 13:43.14 | brlcad | ah, no .. I just thought I'd registered it |
| 13:43.22 | brlcad | but that was one that someone else got to before me |
| 13:43.34 | starseeker | ah |
| 13:43.59 | BRL-CAD | should stay logged in as this and act like a bot |
| 13:44.08 | starseeker | hehe |
| 13:44.31 | starseeker | we added AI to the CAD system - it's a brlcad emulator |
| 13:44.42 | tofu | _sushi_: we go good together ;) |
| 13:45.21 | brlcad | the algorithm that opencsg uses is actually an openly published one |
| 13:45.22 | starseeker | sees someone did some QT + Ogre work of some sort back in Nov 08... |
| 13:45.59 | starseeker | checks on what the heck the Zlib license is... |
| 13:46.00 | _sushi_ | eats an orange to prevent oxidative stress so when he dies he will look 17 minutes younger |
| 13:46.36 | starseeker | ah, no problem there... |
| 13:48.17 | starseeker | brlcad: pity we can't shanghai your favorite cad researcher for BRL-CAD work... |
| 13:48.55 | brlcad | oh, unlikely we'd be able to get him -- but we could probably get students from him under his tutelage |
| 13:49.07 | brlcad | heck, I love to study under him |
| 13:49.13 | brlcad | *I'd |
| 13:50.16 | starseeker | do you have his website link handy? I don't seem to have it bookmarked here |
| 13:50.24 | brlcad | just search for "jarek" |
| 13:50.28 | brlcad | he's the one and only ;) |
| 13:50.55 | starseeker | Ah yes :-) |
| 13:50.59 | brlcad | nice to have a semi-unique name |
| 13:51.12 | brlcad | and be top of a field with your name ;) |
| 13:51.38 | starseeker | wonders if brlcad will try to get funded for a couple years down there :-P |
| 13:52.55 | brlcad | implementing jarek's blist's into a libcsg (along with null object detection, tree contraction, and other csg hierarchy manipulations/optimization) is something I've wanted for a long time |
| 13:53.12 | brlcad | so much that I have a src/libcsg in my checkout that has been there for years |
| 13:54.30 | brlcad | more for the csg optimizations we were talking about yesterday and having a fast isolated CSG evaluation kernel that could be optimized (e.g. for vectorization) |
| 14:00.21 | starseeker | nods |
| 14:01.21 | starseeker | how much code restructuring/refactoring do you think that would involve? |
| 14:01.50 | starseeker | could see something like that being as bad/worse than libged... |
| 14:08.06 | brlcad | hey starseeker, know what the H, W, Y, and Z stand for? http://www.dragtimes.com/2008-Lotus-Elise-Tires-225-45R17-t28934.html |
| 14:08.18 | brlcad | ah, and V |
| 14:11.21 | starseeker | I believe they relate to specific applications or performance characteristics the tires are supposed to have |
| 14:12.43 | starseeker | my favorite site for tire dimension info: http://www.carbibles.com/tyre_bible.html |
| 14:13.28 | starseeker | Ah, looks like those letters are speed ratings |
| 14:13.49 | starseeker | winces, remembering brlcad's new car and its theoretical performance ceiling... |
| 14:13.50 | brlcad | yeah, just saw that |
| 14:14.44 | starseeker | "Uh, sir, I'm afraid I have to issue you a ticket for excessive warpage of space-time on your way to work..." |
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| 14:46.49 | ``Erik_ | wears zr's |
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| 15:55.26 | mafm | bye |
| 15:55.31 | brlcad | cya |
| 15:55.34 | mafm | :) |
| 15:55.47 | mafm | have a nice weekend :) |
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| 18:34.38 | IriX64 | http://www3.sympatico.ca/mario.dulisse2/bldg391.png <-- svn as of last night :) |
| 18:40.56 | louipc | IriX64: funky background. how'd you get that? |
| 18:41.14 | IriX64 | just the way it ray traced |
| 18:41.27 | louipc | oh weird |
| 18:41.30 | IriX64 | no idea where it came from |
| 18:42.47 | louipc | looks like a big ball to me |
| 18:42.58 | louipc | I think that's supposed to be the sky |
| 18:43.22 | IriX64 | not sure but you said no more helicopters so :) |
| 18:43.49 | louipc | yeah we have all these models anyways, show us some original work or something |
| 18:44.46 | IriX64 | i find it hard to draw with geometry :) |
| 18:45.04 | louipc | it's never too late to learn |
| 18:45.49 | IriX64 | ill try (sometime) :) |
| 18:45.52 | louipc | well, I guess I wouldn't mind seeing the bldg391 from inside that sphere hah, and let me know how you did it if you manage it |
| 18:46.02 | IriX64 | sure |
| 18:46.04 | ``Erik | BRL-CAD is designed for people with measuring tools, not 'artists' |
| 18:46.08 | ``Erik | grab a ruler and find something :D |
| 18:46.17 | louipc | ``Erik++ |
| 18:46.20 | IriX64 | heh prefer a yard stick ;) |
| 18:46.34 | ``Erik | whatever gives you the numbers to type in |
| 18:46.58 | ``Erik | has long been tempted to grab a measuring tape and create his house |
| 18:47.17 | IriX64 | from inside , wait a sec.. might be ablwe to do something |
| 18:47.34 | louipc | that that would be cool, some architectural tools might come out of it :D |
| 18:48.01 | ``Erik | was hoping to arrange furniture and run some raytraces to see what it'd look like, without actually lugging crap |
| 18:48.08 | louipc | yeah |
| 18:48.33 | louipc | or playing around with renovation ideas |
| 18:48.40 | ``Erik | mebbe some path tracing stuff to figure out where to put the tv so I don't get backlight or glare :D |
| 18:48.47 | louipc | haha |
| 18:55.47 | IriX64 | trying a photonmap |
| 18:58.02 | IriX64 | same thing, dunno how to draw inside it :) |
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| 20:02.57 | ``Erik | photon mapping and path tracing work best with a bounding geometry (so it can reflect light back in instead of sending 99% of photon paths into nothingness), so'z ya knowz |
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