IRC log for #brlcad on 20090129

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01:30.09 mafm night
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02:09.30 yukonbob evening, cadheads
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05:24.58 brlcad evening yukonbob
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06:08.11 yukonbob is hopped-up on caffeine :P
06:08.17 yukonbob not good at this time of night...
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06:41.22 brlcad outstanding
06:41.27 brlcad so just stay up through the night
06:42.46 brlcad starseeker: cool, now that'd be a pretty good (and feasible) model to capture in detail and match/recreate the drawings
06:55.48 yukonbob brlcad: :)
06:56.07 yukonbob might pick on an itcl compile issue while up...
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09:34.27 mafm hi
09:45.50 Dr_Phreakenstein hello
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11:30.04 newbeesl Hi everybody !
11:30.23 newbeesl searching for help about sketch extrusion parameters ...
11:30.55 newbeesl i) Y Z ?
11:31.04 newbeesl ii) X Y Z of H ?
11:31.11 newbeesl iii) X Y Z of A ?
11:31.21 newbeesl iv) X Y Z of B ?
12:01.56 d-lo stretches.
12:02.00 d-lo mernin all.
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13:33.54 brlcad yawns
13:38.50 d-lo heh, stop that... its contagious!
13:41.10 yukonbob morning cadheads
13:49.15 d-lo Mernin yukonbob!
13:49.27 ``Erik heh
13:49.41 ``Erik fun drive, d-lo? O.o
13:50.15 d-lo Not really. Road was bone dry 'cept one 15 foot swath of "Oh dear god I am going to die" ice :)
13:50.44 ``Erik up where I live, seemed like there was more ice than road :/ once I got down out of the hills, it was nice, though
13:51.05 d-lo The ice was naaaaaaaaasty yesterday, but today seems just fine.
13:51.24 ``Erik has more snow and ice on his car than there is on the ground down here O.O
13:51.59 d-lo I was clearing the walkway to the cars and the snow/Ice i was shoveling on to the hill was skidding almost 200+ feet down the hill and into the main road. kinda creepy to watch it just keep going and going. Zero friction.
13:52.18 ``Erik neat
13:52.21 d-lo Perhaps snow and Ice appriciate a good car when it sees it.
13:52.23 ``Erik I had to use a pickaxe
13:53.22 d-lo I was sooooo tempted to get out the garden hose and create the 'Hill of Death" and go sledding.... but the wife called me stupid and said I couldn't.
13:53.34 brlcad aww
13:53.35 d-lo You have a pickaxe? Why?
13:53.43 brlcad party pooper
13:53.56 brlcad that coulda been neat :)
13:54.10 d-lo At first I was put out by it, then I realized all the kids would have wanted to go down it also.
13:54.18 ``Erik so when I get the urge to say "yo, lemme axe you a question", I can back it up
13:54.25 d-lo lol
13:55.07 ``Erik nah, every once in a while I have to dig a hole
13:55.51 ``Erik then your back yard is basically a thin veneer of clay on scrap rock, you have to do some persuading before switching to the shovel
13:56.32 d-lo well, isn't tough ground what led to the use of shallow graves? Oh, wait, you told me not to mention that stuff.....
13:56.51 d-lo :D
13:56.55 ``Erik before this morning, that was the last thing I used it for O.o my poor fishie
13:57.09 d-lo You buried a fish?
13:57.12 ``Erik yeah
13:57.23 d-lo Wow, you are way more compassionate that I am then.
13:57.34 ``Erik it was too big for burial at sewer
13:57.56 archivist feed it to the cat
13:58.05 d-lo I dunno, the Porcelean Express can handle quite a bit.
13:58.43 ``Erik a) ain't got a cat, b) would a been too big for cat, c) had a life of weird aquarium chemicals so is probably poisenous to a cat
13:59.10 d-lo did you have a 3' catfish or somethin?
13:59.42 ``Erik um, he was only a little over a foot, but he was a variant of catfish, yes
14:01.11 d-lo wow. Catfish might have eated the Cat. They are pretty mean, in my experience.
14:01.44 ``Erik pleco, a suckerfish, not a normal catfish but the same family
14:02.25 d-lo huh, neat.
14:02.54 d-lo Never heard of a pet fish too big to flush. How long did you have him/her/it?
14:03.16 ``Erik um, eight or nine years?
14:06.18 d-lo Well, back to work. See you guys soon. The standup meeting moved to 1330
14:06.22 d-lo fyi
14:13.22 starseeker k - thanks
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14:55.18 starseeker finishes cleaning up cat barf and heads in
14:55.36 starseeker pondering ways to make the cat accept a hair brush
14:57.19 archivist mine liked it
15:02.42 starseeker ours screams
15:05.01 d-lo drugs
15:05.17 d-lo tranq the cat and shave it.
15:07.48 starseeker heh - I get in trouble when I suggest that
15:07.54 starseeker really heads in this time
15:10.06 archivist saw a couple of silly cats last night, the fur was too short to comb
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18:09.29 CIA-32 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33614 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged_test.sh: Add basic tests of comb and r commands.
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19:44.13 CIA-32 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33615 10/brlcad/trunk/include/bu.h: clarify, it's a base2 log
20:02.18 CIA-32 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33616 10/brlcad/trunk/src/liboptical/material.c: tweak the unknown material/shader message slightly so it prints up more neatly.
20:05.54 CIA-32 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33617 10/brlcad/trunk/src/liboptical/material.c: still spell out the shader, fix extra arg.
20:09.22 CIA-32 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33618 10/brlcad/trunk/src/liboptical/material.c: style ws consistency cleanup, comments
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20:14.34 brlcad hm, that's a hopkins ip
20:14.50 brlcad ah! rob..
20:25.56 brlcad starseeker: did you figure out the compilation problem or still need help?
20:26.08 starseeker well, figured out what was causing it
20:26.10 brlcad from the glance at the log, libtool archive links weren't right
20:26.13 starseeker not why it was causing it
20:26.22 starseeker running the build from bash rather than tcsh worked
20:26.44 brlcad hm
20:26.52 brlcad did you rerun autogen.sh?
20:26.57 starseeker yep
20:27.03 brlcad still had same problem
20:27.19 starseeker yep - only switching to bash and redoing everything fixed it
20:27.48 brlcad k, well that's something then at least
20:30.39 brlcad version of automake and libtool on that system?
20:32.09 CIA-32 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33619 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/openNURBS/opennurbs_massprop.cpp: quell uninitialized warning since gcc4 is a little smarter figuring out that ON_SymTriDiag3x3EigenSolver does nothing
20:32.25 CIA-32 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33620 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged_test.sh: Add a few more commands to the mged test.
20:33.21 starseeker Hehe: http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/eto_madness.png
20:33.52 brlcad cool
20:34.29 d-lo almost hurts the eyes....
20:34.38 d-lo what was the raytrace time on that?
20:34.45 starseeker very fast, actually
20:34.52 starseeker for that size anyway
20:35.10 starseeker should make a carbon nanotube proc-db :-)
20:35.28 starseeker should win the "completely pointless" award :-P
20:36.03 d-lo make it render fast enough and it might make a cool screen saver!
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20:39.33 CIA-32 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33621 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: dag nab it, still gotta fix and test the bit vectors with something that doesn't have the function call overhead nor rely on anything in common.h...
20:39.57 brlcad mm, think I have a proper fix for that finally
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22:40.50 CIA-32 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33622 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged_test.sh: add build_region, cp and mv to tests
23:28.00 CIA-32 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33623 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged_test.sh: add 3ptarb arb make_bb cpi and mvall to tests
23:28.32 brlcad wonders how bleak the tests are looking
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23:29.14 starseeker haven't re-run it yet - one sec
23:29.23 starseeker need new 7.12.6 control
23:30.18 Ralith hey guys
23:30.26 brlcad howdy Ralith
23:30.58 Ralith so given some complex region/collection
23:31.31 starseeker brlcad: Looks so far like just the expected fallout from the arbs and whatnot being different
23:31.40 brlcad that's great
23:31.41 starseeker at least, the failure areas could be accounted for by that
23:31.51 brlcad if 'make' is the only thing different, that's not a show-stopper command
23:32.06 starseeker interestingly, the sketch bounding box is different
23:32.13 Ralith hm
23:32.17 Ralith trying to think how to describe this
23:32.21 starseeker that's a bit surprising - the sketch was a low level input
23:32.42 starseeker still very very close to zero in all cases though
23:32.47 Ralith perhaps I should start with my use case.
23:33.37 Ralith For some forms of rapid prototyping, support material is required to allow production of surfaces which slope greater than 45 degrees away from vertical
23:33.50 Ralith where 45 is really some odd number depending on conditions.
23:34.07 starseeker hmm, grip bounding box changed too
23:34.31 Ralith it seems to me that it *should* be fairly simple to computationally determine a region for this support material based on surface normals.
23:34.58 brlcad sure, Ralith
23:35.30 Ralith but nothing's coming to mind as to how to actually do it.
23:35.35 Ralith thoughts?
23:36.36 brlcad shoot a bunch of orthogonal rays, with each hit, you'll have a hit point and the normal at that point
23:37.14 brlcad check the angle on each ray, if it fits the criteria, mark that region as needing support
23:38.10 Ralith simple enough. I guess it'd be too hard to do it in a more elegant fashion?
23:38.41 Ralith i.e. something that wouldn't reduce everything to a series of thin columns
23:38.51 Ralith (not that that doesn't solve the problem)
23:38.52 brlcad there's not any way that comes to mind where you could figure that out automatically for an arbitrary surface
23:39.23 brlcad even one surface patch could have some sections that are within and some that aren't
23:39.41 Ralith didn't think so.
23:39.57 Ralith kk
23:39.59 Ralith thanks
23:49.00 CIA-32 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33624 10/brlcad/trunk/ (TODO include/bu.h):
23:49.02 CIA-32 BRL-CAD: utilize CHAR_BIT from limits.h so that we can determine our shift size without
23:49.04 CIA-32 BRL-CAD: relying on common.h/configure tests (since bu.h is a public header). this makes
23:49.06 CIA-32 BRL-CAD: for bit vectors constructed from much smaller 8-bit blocks, but shows no
23:49.08 CIA-32 BRL-CAD: appreciable difference on performance benchmarks (x86, 32-bit mac os x 10.4,
23:49.18 CIA-32 BRL-CAD: gcc4) and specific large-bot testing. CHAR_BIT is POSIX, c99, and c90.

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