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| 00:05.52 | ``Erik | "this sweater is gorgeous! I'll take one in wife size and three in mistress size" |
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| 00:30.53 | smurfette | see why he deserves the eye stabbings? :P |
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| 01:03.13 | starseeker | brlcad: Ah, training time again I see :-) |
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| 01:46.05 | yukonbob | hello cadheads |
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| 03:09.42 | ``Erik | yeah, cuz I quote simpsons :D |
| 04:04.23 | ``Erik | huh, that was a fairly intense episode of bsg |
| 04:05.08 | ``Erik | woulda been better if they wouldn't have shown their little "scenes from the next episode" thing, though |
| 04:07.43 | brlcad | yeah |
| 04:07.50 | brlcad | good one though |
| 04:12.15 | ``Erik | yeah, and only 3/10 of season 4.5 |
| 04:12.40 | ``Erik | with a 2 hour tv movie planned sometime after |
| 04:13.28 | ``Erik | wonders if he'll ever be able to watch the original series again O.o |
| 04:13.46 | ``Erik | (of course, a-team kinda messed that up... "look! it's face! er, I mean, starbuck!" |
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| 09:39.06 | csanyipal | Howdy! |
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| 14:26.40 | brlcad | yawns |
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| 15:34.32 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03BRL-CAD Wiki 071234 * r1 10WIKI/www: This is a test |
| 15:34.41 | brlcad | woo hoo! |
| 15:47.45 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03BRL-CAD Wiki 071234 * r1 10WIKI/www: This is a test |
| 15:48.06 | alex_joni | is seeing double |
| 15:48.19 | brlcad | good stuff! |
| 15:48.21 | brlcad | is happy |
| 15:48.38 | alex_joni | email? or xmlrpc? |
| 15:48.56 | brlcad | email for now |
| 15:49.00 | alex_joni | cool stuff |
| 15:50.53 | alex_joni | what type of wiki does brlcad use? |
| 15:50.59 | brlcad | mediawiki |
| 15:52.06 | alex_joni | I see.. thanks |
| 16:00.27 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03BRL-CAD Wiki 071234 * r1 10WIKI/www: This is a test |
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| 17:05.26 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03Array['rc_user'] * rArray['rc_cur_id'] 10/wiki/$1/wiki/$1: Array['rc_comment'] |
| 17:05.30 | brlcad | aww |
| 17:07.49 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 032 * rArray['rc_cur_id'] 10/wiki/$1/wiki/$1: Array['rc_comment'] |
| 17:11.08 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 032 * r86 10/wiki/$1/wiki/$1: test |
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| 17:14.43 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean * r86 10/wiki/$1/wiki/$1: test |
| 17:30.08 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean * r86 10/wiki/$1/wiki/$1: test |
| 18:11.17 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean * r86 10/wiki/$1/wiki/$1: test |
| 18:14.26 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean * r86 10WIKI/FAQ: test |
| 18:26.15 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07WIKI * r86 10/FAQ: test |
| 18:27.31 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07WIKI * r86 10/http://brlcad.org/wiki/FAQ: test |
| 18:46.29 | madant1 | err.. wiki on svn ? |
| 18:52.30 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07WIKI * r86 10/FAQ: test |
| 18:59.35 | brlcad | nope |
| 18:59.40 | brlcad | cia notification of wiki edits |
| 19:03.13 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07WIKI * r86 10/: test |
| 19:06.23 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07WIKI * r86 10/wiki/FAQ: test |
| 19:07.15 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07 * r86 10/wiki/FAQ: test |
| 19:27.54 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r86 10/wiki/FAQ: test |
| 19:38.27 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r86 10/wiki/FAQ: test |
| 19:38.50 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r86 10/wiki/FAQ: test |
| 19:40.36 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1164 10/wiki/FAQ: test |
| 19:41.32 | brlcad | woo hoo, I think that just about does it |
| 19:47.34 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1165 10/wiki/FAQ: test |
| 19:52.15 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1203 10/wiki/FAQ: still testing cianotify |
| 19:56.56 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1204 10/wiki/FAQ: no longer need the my. prefix |
| 19:57.32 | brlcad | outstanding |
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| 20:34.25 | IriX64 | mysite/terra.png <--- last nights effort :) |
| 20:42.41 | IriX64 | mc |
| 20:44.47 | brlcad | weren't you working on a patch? |
| 20:45.10 | IriX64 | the --version thing? |
| 20:45.16 | brlcad | infinitely more interesting than pictures |
| 20:45.30 | IriX64 | heh back burner at the moment |
| 20:46.36 | IriX64 | could say i don't answer to you but .... you'd probably kick me from the channel ;) |
| 20:50.14 | brlcad | meh, I can't make you do anything, but the pictures are really getting old and annoying because they are useless and uninteresting |
| 20:50.39 | IriX64 | is that everybody's feelings |
| 20:51.16 | brlcad | why do you think there have been a half-dozen people try to get you to do something productive? |
| 20:51.20 | IriX64 | they're comic releif at worst ;) |
| 20:51.29 | brlcad | no |
| 20:51.31 | brlcad | they are not |
| 20:51.38 | brlcad | at worst they waste people's time |
| 20:51.45 | IriX64 | ah |
| 20:51.46 | brlcad | and are a distraction |
| 20:52.07 | brlcad | if there was a joke, they might have some comedic value |
| 20:52.13 | brlcad | but it's not funny, never was |
| 20:52.14 | IriX64 | what are considered work hours here them? |
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| 20:53.10 | brlcad | do you mean when can you have permission to paste useless and uninteresting screenshots? |
| 20:53.39 | IriX64 | yes |
| 20:54.04 | brlcad | *sigh*, then never |
| 20:54.14 | IriX64 | ok |
| 20:54.18 | brlcad | if you're not going to change and not going to be productive, you're not helping |
| 20:54.30 | IriX64 | noted |
| 20:54.40 | brlcad | you've said that before |
| 20:54.44 | brlcad | you don't note it very long |
| 20:55.02 | brlcad | how about I make it clear and easy then |
| 20:55.12 | brlcad | NO MORE PICTURES (from you) |
| 20:55.24 | IriX64 | sure |
| 20:55.40 | brlcad | if you want to contribute in some other way, you're quite welcome |
| 20:55.48 | brlcad | just no more links to pictures |
| 20:55.58 | brlcad | or hints at links |
| 20:56.28 | brlcad | or whatever weaseling one could think of, no refs to pics |
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| 22:04.39 | yukonbob | hello, cadheads |
| 22:23.26 | madant | thinks wiki-updates on cia is awesome :) |
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| 22:39.21 | DavidChipman | Hi there.. |
| 22:40.09 | DavidChipman | I'm having trouble building BRL-CAD on Ubuntu 8.10 |
| 22:40.25 | madant | what trouble ? |
| 22:41.18 | DavidChipman | The configure script can't find TCL, or TK, and BRL-cad can't build them either. |
| 22:41.22 | madant | most common issue is not using --enable-all while configuring :) |
| 22:41.31 | madant | use --enable-all and try |
| 22:42.12 | DavidChipman | OK.... running configure right now. It's gonna take a while |
| 22:42.21 | brlcad | BRL-CAD "can't build them either" means what? |
| 22:42.50 | DavidChipman | It tries to look for a file called tk.h, aand doesn't find it. |
| 22:43.11 | DavidChipman | I'll post the errors (somwhere?) |
| 22:43.13 | brlcad | during what stage of the build? |
| 22:43.16 | brlcad | ~bzpaste |
| 22:43.26 | brlcad | hrmph |
| 22:43.38 | brlcad | pastebin.bzflag.bz will work |
| 22:43.44 | DavidChipman | I'm almost finished configure. I'll let you know. |
| 22:43.55 | DavidChipman | OK.. |
| 22:45.52 | brlcad | all of BRL-CAD's external dependencies are bundled in so configure has three modes of working -- 1) build all of the dependencies ourselves and don't use any system-installed versions, 2) don't build any of them and only use system-installed versions, or 3) automatically detect available system-installed versions and use the ones we find and build the rest |
| 22:46.00 | DavidChipman | Building now. I'm collecting stderr in brlcad.err |
| 22:46.25 | brlcad | a unified log would probably be more useful :) |
| 22:46.36 | DavidChipman | Well, the configure doesn't detect my tcl/TK 8.4 install |
| 22:46.41 | brlcad | since it'll have what directory it traversed into, what files were compiled, etc |
| 22:46.54 | brlcad | there's probably a reason for that |
| 22:47.29 | DavidChipman | OK. (stupid question?): How do I do that? |
| 22:47.32 | brlcad | buried deep in the various configure tests it determined it wasn't usable, probably had a big <<<<< section too ;) |
| 22:47.46 | DavidChipman | The unified log you're looking for |
| 22:47.55 | brlcad | make 2>&1 | tee build.log |
| 22:48.10 | brlcad | (presumes a posix-style shell) |
| 22:48.12 | madant | loves tee |
| 22:48.23 | DavidChipman | Agh, of course... |
| 22:48.32 | DavidChipman | smacks head |
| 22:48.42 | brlcad | 2>&1 being the trick to unify the outputs by sending err to out |
| 22:48.47 | DavidChipman | Shoud I just stop the build? |
| 22:48.54 | brlcad | sure |
| 22:48.56 | brlcad | it won't hurt it |
| 22:49.03 | DavidChipman | make clean? |
| 22:49.06 | brlcad | nah |
| 22:49.16 | brlcad | it'll pick up from where you killed it cleanly |
| 22:50.02 | DavidChipman | True enough, it's runing again, with the build log set up. |
| 22:50.43 | DavidChipman | It also didn't find Itcl (but I don't thin that's installed anyhow) |
| 22:51.02 | brlcad | that would probably be why it couldn't use your tcl/tk |
| 22:51.04 | DavidChipman | Just out of interest, what is TCL/TK used for? |
| 22:51.44 | DavidChipman | Huh? They aren't either/or then? |
| 22:51.54 | brlcad | if you didn't have itcl, it would have had to use the one we provide -- the one we provide is the latest and requires 8.5 tcl/tk |
| 22:52.26 | DavidChipman | Agh <spews profanity>. |
| 22:52.39 | brlcad | so you either had to install an itcl that works with 8.4, or let ours build (which is what it's doing now) |
| 22:53.00 | DavidChipman | Thanks.. |
| 22:53.09 | DavidChipman | I think.. ;) |
| 22:53.16 | brlcad | which should have happened by default either way |
| 22:53.23 | brlcad | if you ran into a build failure, that's something else |
| 22:53.55 | DavidChipman | Huh? I'm now goign to try and get itcl installed |
| 22:54.14 | brlcad | that incompatibility was mentioned via a big <<<<< section in the configure output |
| 22:54.45 | brlcad | you shouldn't need to, at least it shouldn't matter |
| 22:54.51 | DavidChipman | OK, I'm installing OTCl now.. |
| 22:54.57 | brlcad | brl-cad will compile and install isolated into /usr/brlcad anyways |
| 22:54.59 | DavidChipman | (ITCL, I mean) |
| 22:55.23 | brlcad | has to also include the itcl headers |
| 22:56.28 | DavidChipman | Well, I;'m now the proud owner of an ictl 3 installation ;) including itcl3-dev. I thought of that. Don't worry. Not that "thiick" |
| 22:57.43 | DavidChipman | It's building opennurbs right now.. |
| 22:57.58 | brlcad | btw, the only one we can generally guarantee is the enable-all option since we can fully control it -- mixtures of system and non-system components are rather finicky |
| 22:58.04 | brlcad | wow, that's a slow box |
| 22:58.42 | DavidChipman | Pentium D, 2.26 GHz... |
| 22:59.10 | brlcad | after it finishes opennurbs, it'll be about 25% done |
| 22:59.29 | DavidChipman | Thankks for the progess report |
| 22:59.38 | madant | maybe make -j4 |
| 23:00.02 | brlcad | yeah, utilize all your cpu's if it's an smp |
| 23:00.15 | DavidChipman | Start make *over again*? |
| 23:00.26 | DavidChipman | bursts into tears |
| 23:00.31 | DavidChipman | LOL |
| 23:00.43 | madant | don't worry it will pickup from where you left it :D |
| 23:00.59 | DavidChipman | I know, but.. agh.... |
| 23:01.10 | IriX64 | there's usually a trail of bread crumbs :) |
| 23:02.47 | DavidChipman | I'm not sure I understand, IriX64 |
| 23:03.20 | DavidChipman | Building with -j4 option |
| 23:03.58 | IriX64 | has a dual core, both are utilized |
| 23:04.02 | DavidChipman | Going faster now.... |
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| 23:14.49 | brlcad | if you want it to use your system libs, you would have to start over with a make clean, otherwise it's going the --enable-all route |
| 23:15.45 | brlcad | which frankly, I think you should just use --enable-all and let it build everything .. if that works, make it through the tutorials with your sanity intact, then can reinstall more leanly |
| 23:17.58 | yukonbob | brlcad: does the --enable-all install -everything- under PREFIX, or similar? |
| 23:18.05 | brlcad | yep |
| 23:18.23 | yukonbob | ie: all binaries and required libs. |
| 23:18.58 | yukonbob | gets off his high horse and prepares a --enable-all installation... |
| 23:29.00 | ``Erik | wait, I thought the manuals were there to induce the minimal amount of insanity required to use the software? O.o |
| 23:29.41 | ``Erik | wiki update notifications... neat, but ugly colors, and what happens when the spam bots find it? :D |
| 23:31.02 | brlcad | there have been no spams to the boards since they went live with the captcha checks and blacklists |
| 23:33.05 | ``Erik | cool, but I'm imagining the spammers are constantly looking for ways to subvert the defensive mechanisms |
| 23:33.37 | brlcad | didn't you read the thing about not succumbing to speculative fears |
| 23:33.58 | brlcad | even if someone does, now we'll get instant notification when it happens and can do something about it |
| 23:34.02 | ``Erik | is an anti-color nazi on irc, almost ever color has a special meaning in his precious bx, so he gets confused |
| 23:34.15 | brlcad | I have no color here, so dunno what you're talking about |
| 23:34.20 | brlcad | turn your color off |
| 23:34.21 | ``Erik | yeah, *shrug* ain't no such thing as unhackable, it's risk management, etc etc etc |
| 23:34.48 | ``Erik | heh, that'd involve looking at shitty docs or shitty code, and I'm illiterate and lazy :D |
| 23:35.16 | ``Erik | (though that is a good idea *ponder*) |
| 23:35.45 | ``Erik | how does a new feature on the old machine impact the migration? |
| 23:36.05 | brlcad | doesn't thusfar other than having been an 8-hour distraction to implement it |
| 23:36.34 | ``Erik | so the mediawiki plugins aren't going to be carried via backups? |
| 23:36.37 | brlcad | pretty snazzy, though .. I'll have to upload that to the official extensions list for others |
| 23:36.39 | ``Erik | rsync or something? |
| 23:37.02 | brlcad | they will, the backups are just backups though |
| 23:37.30 | brlcad | backups just take a few min to run to rsync the recent changes |
| 23:37.40 | brlcad | the /usr/web copy hasn't happened yet |
| 23:38.38 | DavidChipman | Looks like it built this time! |
| 23:43.14 | ``Erik | w00t |
| 23:44.41 | yukonbob | concurs |
| 23:46.31 | brlcad | indeed |
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| 23:54.52 | ``Erik | ponders finishing the porting of a project so he can eliminate the gnome1 stack from his server |