IRC log for #brlcad on 20090223

01:10.36 CIA-40 BRL-CAD: 03johnranderson * r33875 10/jbrlcad/trunk/ (16 files in 7 dirs):
01:10.36 CIA-40 BRL-CAD: Corrected some bugs.
01:10.36 CIA-40 BRL-CAD: Added a bin directory
01:16.01 louipc some bugs? :D
02:01.24 brlcad starseeker: ah
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06:36.07 brlcad burps what could quite possibly be some of the best wings he's had to date
06:36.28 brlcad now to unbreak distcheck..
06:36.35 yukonbob goes to Wingnuts in Vancouver...
06:36.46 yukonbob brlcad: question re: development methodology.
06:36.54 brlcad yukonbob: shoot
06:37.50 yukonbob I noticed you were helping somebody with a build, and you said "I usually just use HEAD, in case a bug is already solved there" -- so it must be a law "never check-in a broken build", correct?
06:38.45 brlcad not quite so strict, but something to that effect -- at least not knowingly break the build or leave it in a broken state
06:38.48 yukonbob heh -- /me sees previous comment "unbreak..." :)
06:39.24 yukonbob I guess some philosophies are 100% strict... was wondering what your take on it is...
06:40.00 brlcad yeah, there being a good example actually -- good faith fix was made that should have been benign, but later discovered that it wasn't and broke the build -- so now I can't proceed until things are fixed or reverted, and the issue shouldn't linger
06:41.34 brlcad issues will happen, even with a 100% policy
06:42.20 brlcad because in actuality, no matter how many tests you impose, that really only approaches 100% and is some level of 99.something%
06:43.00 brlcad with process overhead (hopefully) giving you an order or two of additional confidence but at the *cost* of development fluidity and process overhead
06:45.25 brlcad so my general take is to be more adaptive to whatever the situation is, able to respond to a failed build reasonably quickly and with responsibility on the devs to take good faith efforts to not break things and fix them when they are broken
06:45.49 brlcad that's pretty much in-line with what is spelled out in the HACKING file too
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13:55.36 starseeker d-lo: Could you pass the word I'm out sick today, if you're in?
13:58.20 brlcad sorry to hear that starseeker
13:58.54 starseeker brlcad: I guess it's reasonable - it hasn't happened much this past year - but it sucks :-(
13:59.05 starseeker distcheck is still busted?
13:59.18 brlcad my issue now
14:00.03 brlcad fixed the makefile bunding, but also pulled configure and I don't understand why that isn't getting regenerated yet
14:00.28 starseeker hmm. OK
14:00.57 brlcad so the tcl init problem may still be there, but don't know
14:01.58 brlcad got another test going now
14:02.03 brlcad g'morning d-lo
14:04.15 d-lo grumbles about state vehicle inspections...
14:04.36 d-lo mornin brlcad!
14:07.59 d-lo starseeker: Did you call and leave voice mails?
14:08.13 d-lo starseeker: Sent an email to Ed, Paulette and Steph.
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14:23.40 _sushi_ brlcad: the brlcad now works fine, thanks!
14:57.58 brlcad _sushi_: glad to hear it
15:13.02 brlcad woots as has a functioning distcheck, sans init errors
15:13.16 CIA-40 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33876 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/ (tcl/Makefile.am tk/Makefile.am): so the configure scripts need to be included so they can be run immediately post-dist creation (and don't get a chance to regenerate), but don't include the Makefile files else evil trolls will foil thy compile.
15:14.06 brlcad hm, though the init errors were during test, not distcheck.. testing
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15:54.31 brlcad starseeker: woot, all working again
16:51.48 brlcad plans to make a release this weekend if all still looks good
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17:39.17 CIA-40 BRL-CAD: 03johnranderson * r33877 10/jbrlcad/trunk/src/org/brlcad/geometry/Hit.java: Added @Override annotation
17:43.22 CIA-40 BRL-CAD: 03johnranderson * r33878 10/jbrlcad/trunk/src/org/brlcad/ (8 files in 3 dirs): More bug fixes
17:48.51 CIA-40 BRL-CAD: 03johnranderson * r33879 10/jbrlcad/trunk/src/org/brlcad/samples/rt.java: Take into account the colortab
17:54.39 d-lo Go John Go!
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20:16.57 CIA-40 BRL-CAD: 03johnranderson * r33880 10/jbrlcad/trunk/src/org/brlcad/preppedGeometry/PreppedArb8.java: Corrected miss behavior
20:17.42 CIA-40 BRL-CAD: 03johnranderson * r33881 10/jbrlcad/trunk/src/org/brlcad/spacePartition/RayData.java: Fixed variable that hid field
20:19.02 CIA-40 BRL-CAD: 03johnranderson * r33882 10/jbrlcad/trunk/src/org/brlcad/preppedGeometry/ (PreppedEllipsoid.java PreppedRec.java PreppedTgc.java): Only Bot needs to add its segments to the RayData
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21:04.16 CIA-40 BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r33883 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/ged.c: Setting the default view to 35,25
21:05.58 CIA-40 BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r33884 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/setup.c: Set default display variables for when there's no database open.
21:16.37 brlcad woot
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21:55.56 starseeker d-lo: thanks :-)
21:56.14 starseeker brlcad: excellent :-)
21:56.40 brlcad yeah, and with those last two fixes from bob, might be good to go
21:56.43 starseeker makes note to self to diff with 8.5.6 vanilla for future reference.
21:56.51 brlcad can you test mged?
21:57.01 starseeker sure, let me build quick
21:57.35 brlcad at least for potential show-stopper issues, minor ones can just make the list for later
22:03.52 starseeker brlcad: did bob show you the gqa visualization?
22:04.25 brlcad I saw what he was working on last week
22:04.32 starseeker ah :-)
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22:05.37 starseeker now if we can make it use a default grid spacing based on the view size, we may be able to type gqa instead of rtcheck and get better results :-)
22:07.06 brlcad gqa output would still need to be improved, rtcheck's is a little more organized
22:07.33 starseeker nods
22:07.41 starseeker that should be doable though
22:08.12 brlcad would be nice to replace rtcheck so we don't have duplicate functionality
22:08.23 brlcad even if the namesake remains
22:08.28 starseeker indeed
22:08.52 starseeker for full on replacement though, we'd have to have a "compatibility" mode, wouldn't we? to be able to duplicate previous results?
22:09.19 brlcad not strictly speaking
22:10.10 brlcad it just needs to at least do what rtcheck does to replace it
22:10.16 brlcad more is okay, just shouldn't do less/worse
22:10.49 brlcad one feature rtcheck will do still that gqa won't is user-specified view grids
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22:11.03 brlcad should be a simple enhancement to add arbitrary views really
22:11.12 starseeker that's what I was thinking
22:11.47 starseeker we would need to do something of the sort eventually anyhow
22:11.59 brlcad then maybe gqa's default is just 0 0 0, 0 90 0, 0 0 90 like it does now, but allow user to specify N arbitrary views to override
22:12.22 brlcad so you could get rtcheck's exact rays being fired if you set up the same view and only that view with no refinement, for example
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22:17.11 starseeker right
22:17.36 starseeker then for the rtcheck alias, just hardcode the options that would provide the grid set derived from the view plane
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22:41.06 starseeker brlcad: Seems to be doing find for release critical stuff - opendb didn't result in the background color being updated according to preferences, but I don't know if that's a problem or not
22:41.47 brlcad does it display the wireframe when you e up something?
22:42.30 starseeker yep
22:45.24 brlcad k
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23:56.02 tc-rucho hello, how can I set the twist angle in the view?
23:56.29 tc-rucho azimut and elevation are set with 'ae', but, what about twist?
23:56.57 tc-rucho I would find brlcad way more intuitive if it allowed me to just do 'view tw=15'
23:57.09 tc-rucho or 'view set tw=15'
23:57.19 tc-rucho but that doesn't work
23:57.34 brlcad you have the right idea
23:57.41 brlcad just the wrong syntax
23:58.03 tc-rucho what's it then?
23:58.14 brlcad two ways
23:58.21 tc-rucho I've been looking for a way to do that for like 20 mins
23:58.32 brlcad :)
23:58.48 brlcad okay, so first slightly longer way, view command
23:58.54 brlcad run view, see the list of subcommands
23:58.57 brlcad one of them is aet
23:59.06 brlcad view aet 0 0 30
23:59.10 brlcad az/el/twist
23:59.16 tc-rucho oh, but when I tried 'help view aet' it was not documented
23:59.38 tc-rucho mged> help view aet
23:59.39 tc-rucho Usage: view center|size|eye|ypr|quat|aet
23:59.41 tc-rucho (get/set view parameters (local units).)
23:59.43 tc-rucho No help found for aet
23:59.48 brlcad "help view aet" means "help view" and "help aet"
23:59.57 tc-rucho I think that shouldn't say "no help found for aet"

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