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BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33900 10/brlcad/trunk/
(TODO doc/deprecation.txt): need to refactor tcl initialization out
of mged/bwish and into libtclcad so that both can use the same
logic, which g_diff needs too. deprecate all of the g_ command
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BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33901
10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/libpng/ (Makefile.am autogen.sh
config.h.in configure.ac): revert r33893 deletion of autogen.sh,
config.h.in, and configure.ac to keep the sources closer to
pristine (and more importantly to unbreak distcheck). probably
could make libpng a proper subconfigure. |
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``Erik |
oh, woops :) it wasn't a subconfig, so I
figured I'd purge the cruft |
00:48.26 |
``Erik |
oh, I forgot to clean up EXTRA_DIST,
hurrr |
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CIA-40 |
BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33902
10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/libpng/Makefile.am: guess new png doesn't
have an aclocal.m4 any longer either, or it wasn't
included. |
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yukonbob |
hello, cadheads |
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brlcad |
howdy yukonbob |
05:45.56 |
yukonbob |
how're tricks, brlcad ? |
05:46.05 |
yukonbob |
...and how stable is HEAD |
05:46.06 |
yukonbob |
? |
05:48.56 |
brlcad |
looks like it's a lot better now |
05:49.09 |
brlcad |
all the major issues should be fixed plus a
few more |
05:49.21 |
yukonbob |
was vaguely following the
drama ;0 |
05:49.23 |
yukonbob |
:) |
05:49.36 |
yukonbob |
takes the oppotunity to
sync |
05:49.53 |
brlcad |
good to get shaken up every now and then, one
of the reasons for sticking to a fixed release schedule |
05:50.10 |
brlcad |
obligated to uncover and fix things that might
otherwise go unnoticed |
05:51.42 |
yukonbob |
this ties into what I was asking you about
other day (re: committing b0rken code)... if one is doing a lot of
rough hacking.... would you a) commit every once in a while to
capture the 'spirit' of the development, even if it's broken b)
commit only after it's fleshed-out and reasonably stable c) you'd
never hack like that in-tree |
05:52.46 |
yukonbob |
d) pudding |
07:00.22 |
PrezKennedy |
e) all of the above |
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09:00.40 |
_sushi_ |
I wonder how much real practical value this
has: http://brlcad.org/wiki/Hex |
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11:26.32 |
d-lo |
_sushi_: I would say 'some value'. It would
be much more useful if you tied in some of the brlcad libs and made
a .g directly instead of forcing users to perform an additional
conversion step. |
11:27.34 |
_sushi_ |
Then it wouldn't work without
BRL-CAD |
11:27.47 |
_sushi_ |
Can you link GPL code with LGPL
libraries? |
11:27.53 |
_sushi_ |
I guess yes... |
11:28.19 |
d-lo |
You can use LGPL libs in a GPL project... just
not the otherway around. |
11:28.23 |
_sushi_ |
d-lo: the user can load an ascii
file |
11:29.03 |
_sushi_ |
File -> Import -> ASCII
Database |
11:29.42 |
d-lo |
correct, however if your code is already
generating the required memory structs, then it would be super easy
to make hex an MGED command and forego the import completely. Just
my $0.02 |
11:30.24 |
_sushi_ |
Yes but they won't take it because it's
GPL |
11:30.30 |
_sushi_ |
and I won't make my code LGPL |
11:30.45 |
d-lo |
Where does it say its GPL? I saw no lisence
anywhere.... |
11:31.46 |
d-lo |
If it is GPL, you might wanna update the hex.c
on the wiki. |
11:32.15 |
_sushi_ |
Ah I didn't do svn update on my home computer
and then automatically rsynced old version without the GPL header
again |
11:32.33 |
_sushi_ |
Now it's fixed |
11:33.01 |
d-lo |
okay. Mind if I ask why you 'won't make your
code LGPL' ? |
11:33.11 |
d-lo |
Not to pressure, just curios. |
11:33.15 |
d-lo |
curious. |
11:33.18 |
_sushi_ |
Because I am giving it for free |
11:33.48 |
_sushi_ |
I want people to behave fair that means if I
give it for free they should give their code for free too |
11:33.54 |
_sushi_ |
GPL requires that, LGPL doesn't |
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d-lo |
Okie, thanks! |
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d-lo |
_sushi_: I am reading up on Ronja.
Personally, I think its pretty damned cool. But I have a question:
Is range directly proportional to lense width? |
12:28.57 |
archivist |
no gain |
12:29.32 |
archivist |
width for a good lens will be proportional to
gain though |
12:29.33 |
_sushi_ |
d-lo: thanks |
12:30.23 |
_sushi_ |
d-lo: right. Range is proportional to the
square root of the signal strength. And signal strength is
proportional to square of lens width. |
12:30.33 |
_sushi_ |
d-lo: this is however a simplification,
assuming clear air |
12:31.36 |
_sushi_ |
Ronja is supposed to work in light fog, which
has additional exponential relation between path travelled and
attenuation |
12:32.25 |
_sushi_ |
We are talking about transmitter lens
here. |
12:32.44 |
_sushi_ |
With receiver is more complicated because
larger lens constitutes a large "window" that allows ambient light
on the detector |
12:32.54 |
_sushi_ |
And ambient light creates noise, except in the
night. |
12:33.15 |
d-lo |
heh, well that makes sense :) |
12:33.41 |
_sushi_ |
Now a larger receiver lens often has a
different focal length or even may need a larger photodiode to
accomodate for more blurry focus |
12:33.45 |
_sushi_ |
and then things go very complicate |
12:33.53 |
_sushi_ |
and it has to be measured using a
bench |
12:34.19 |
archivist |
mirror lens could be better |
12:34.24 |
_sushi_ |
right |
12:34.32 |
_sushi_ |
the best would be large astronimical
mirror |
12:35.03 |
_sushi_ |
unfortunately they are extremely
expensive |
12:36.02 |
_sushi_ |
An increase in range can be also achieved by
making the receiver tube longer |
12:36.17 |
_sushi_ |
That needs lens with less dioptries and they
tend to have sharper image |
12:36.28 |
_sushi_ |
And longer tube means relatively less ambient
light for the photodiode |
12:36.45 |
_sushi_ |
But it's impractical to have a long tube on
the roof |
12:38.36 |
d-lo |
How proactical is it to have a squared off 'u'
tube with mirrors at 45 degree angles inside? Cuts down on the
spaced used on the roof.... |
12:38.51 |
d-lo |
Holy Bad Spelling Batman.... |
12:39.14 |
_sushi_ |
I once already thought about that |
12:39.18 |
_sushi_ |
I think it might be a practical idea |
12:39.37 |
_sushi_ |
Modern float glass mirror have very good
quality regarding garage quality usage |
12:39.55 |
_sushi_ |
You could point horizontally by simply turning
the pipe |
12:40.03 |
_sushi_ |
And vertically by tilting the mirror
inside |
12:40.19 |
_sushi_ |
On roof you often have an access to a wall or
chimney |
12:40.42 |
_sushi_ |
You could mount this even on an aerial
mast |
12:42.23 |
brlcad |
some would argue that your code derives
additional value of itself when it is used by others, so imposing
on someone else's license makes for an unfair exchange |
12:42.33 |
brlcad |
it'd only be fair if you also used their code
in yours (in which case there is no practical lgpl/gpl
difference) |
12:43.18 |
brlcad |
by someone using a code, that code benefits by
reuse, publicity, affirmation, etc |
12:43.48 |
brlcad |
to claim it's unfair is dubious at
best |
12:44.10 |
d-lo |
_sushi_: What about having the lense focus the
beam into fiber optics? |
12:44.42 |
_sushi_ |
d-lo: why? |
12:45.04 |
d-lo |
does that achieve a 'longer tube
length? |
12:45.25 |
_sushi_ |
the length of the fibre doesn't
count |
12:46.02 |
d-lo |
kk |
12:46.09 |
_sushi_ |
THe advantage comes from the fact that the
ambient light dissipates with square of the distance from the
viewing port |
12:46.23 |
_sushi_ |
And if it is captured into a fibre it just
runs along the fibre and doesn't dissipate anymore |
12:46.47 |
d-lo |
So having a 'W' shaped tube would be even
better than a 'U' or an 'N' |
12:47.29 |
_sushi_ |
Aha I thought you were talking about one
vertical pipe with a 90 degree mirror on the top |
12:48.03 |
_sushi_ |
Well W would be better yes but it would also
have to be thicker |
12:48.28 |
d-lo |
No, several bends so as to minimize the 'long
tube on the roof' issue. |
12:48.40 |
d-lo |
mornin brlcad ! |
12:49.33 |
brlcad |
'lo lo |
12:49.44 |
d-lo |
slaps knee....
HA! |
12:50.06 |
brlcad |
what'd that knee ever do to you! |
12:50.30 |
d-lo |
gives out at the most inconvient times
:/ |
12:51.01 |
brlcad |
but it's always been there for you, trying to
support you ;) |
12:51.39 |
brlcad |
what have you done for it lately? |
12:51.45 |
d-lo |
I know, and I'm greatful. But a little
forewarning would be nice. |
12:51.50 |
brlcad |
bet you didn't even get it anything for it's
birthday |
12:52.17 |
d-lo |
Like hell I didn't! :) Nice warm soak in the
hot tub. |
12:52.31 |
brlcad |
so you tried to drown it, eh? |
12:52.50 |
d-lo |
No, although I have been tempted on
occasion. |
12:53.58 |
brlcad |
next you'll be trying to sell it on a burlap
sack with "special" rocks |
12:54.08 |
brlcad |
they weren't so special for Mittens |
12:54.22 |
d-lo |
Now thats disturbing on many
levels..... |
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``Erik |
O.o |
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``Erik |
wonders if the main page of
the wiki should have hex removed and third party utilities
added |
15:04.46 |
``Erik |
yukonbob: I like to commit fairly frequently
and if I have code I know to be busted in some fashion, I wrap it
in a #if 0/#endif. |
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brlcad |
``Erik probably |
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starseeker |
regains
consciousness |
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``Erik |
"twitter is like IRC, except there's only one
channel, and everybody's on ignore by default" hehehe |
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brlcad |
heh |
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BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r33903
10/brlcad/trunk/misc/win32-msvc8/tclstub/tclstub.vcproj: Added
../../../src/other/tcl/win to
AdditionalIncludeDirectories. |
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groovyOrange |
Can I get new 7.14.2 command reference without
the source code, as one file? |
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cad49 |
hi |
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d-lo |
howdy |
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hippieindamakin8 |
hey brlcad |
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