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| 03:51.42 | brlcad | howdy hippieindamakin8 |
| 04:07.19 | PrezKennedy | hey brlcad! |
| 04:33.07 | brlcad | hola |
| 04:33.12 | brlcad | how many left |
| 04:33.14 | brlcad | ? |
| 05:08.37 | PrezKennedy | 2 classes, 2 driving sessions |
| 05:08.38 | PrezKennedy | thank God |
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| 18:07.47 | ``Erik | yay comcast |
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| 19:08.46 | PrezKennedy | comc-ass-tic |
| 19:08.56 | PrezKennedy | ;) |
| 19:09.36 | PrezKennedy | brlcad, im pushing work along... looks like we'll be getting a couple macbooks soon :) |
| 19:39.16 | brlcad | PrezKennedy: be sure to get Pro if it's for business |
| 19:40.27 | PrezKennedy | they wont pay the cash for that |
| 19:40.29 | brlcad | they parts go through much more extensive reliability testing, makes up the price difference quickly in reduced downtime (at least the rate) |
| 19:41.14 | brlcad | I frankly wouldn't buy one then, it's a riskier situation support-wise |
| 19:41.31 | brlcad | even if it meant getting half as many |
| 19:41.55 | brlcad | you can calculate how many hours that 1k or so price difference will cost in man-hours |
| 19:42.37 | brlcad | and having a hardware failure rate go from something like 99% to 99.9% (hypothetically) |
| 19:43.29 | PrezKennedy | theyre only getting 2 for us to get certs on and become familiar with the system and use... i dont think the .9% will matter too much |
| 19:44.32 | brlcad | ah, that's a little better at least if there's not business relying on it, but I'd still suggest trying to make a case for the pro's instead of the consumer-grade versions |
| 19:44.34 | PrezKennedy | when we do a contract or something im sure theyll go the pricey route |
| 19:44.48 | brlcad | even feature-wise for certification, the non-pro's lack a few features |
| 19:44.58 | PrezKennedy | like what? |
| 19:45.39 | PrezKennedy | i really have to pitch it good for them to fork twice as much for one machine |
| 19:48.29 | brlcad | depending on what you need to certify, the memory limits are much higher for the pros, the superdrive, high-res displays, diff graphics cards (integrated intel vs ati radeon), more vid memory, large display support (30" cinemas), high speed firewire, different power supplies, .. |
| 19:48.46 | brlcad | few other port differences |
| 19:50.45 | brlcad | some of that is dated, so you'd have to check the latest specs |
| 19:51.01 | brlcad | e.g. they're no longer on those graphics cards, and the new unibody design changed a few things |
| 19:53.10 | brlcad | hm, quick glance at their tech specs, they did close the gap a little bit with the unibodies |
| 19:53.35 | brlcad | so not quite as drastic a difference, but I'd still be hesitant to get the non pro for reliability reasons alone |
| 19:58.28 | ``Erik | um |
| 19:58.51 | ``Erik | new macbooks have superdrives and nvidia cards that can drive I believe 30" |
| 19:59.32 | brlcad | yeah, the diff is a lot smaller on the video side now |
| 19:59.50 | ``Erik | the big difference for me when I bought my macbook was the screen size and firewire... I like the small formfactor and don't use firewire, so *shrug* whatever :) |
| 19:59.57 | brlcad | twice the memory, and both nvidia (though one is a 9600 and one a 9200 or something) |
| 20:00.12 | brlcad | for personal use, I think either is great |
| 20:00.21 | ``Erik | the pros have a dual gpu that swaps based on need, but the little one is pretty smoking for the games I play |
| 20:00.41 | brlcad | it's easy to take the risk, there's no "downtime" really if it breaks, at least not any that affects a "bottom-line" |
| 20:00.57 | brlcad | for a business though, that's money and time lost that is easily recovered with a mere 1k price diff |
| 20:01.44 | ``Erik | different failure rate? source pls? cite? </wikipediazi> |
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| 20:07.50 | brlcad | that would require effort |
| 20:07.54 | brlcad | http://www.macintouch.com/reliability/macbooks2.html |
| 20:08.07 | brlcad | unscientific and subject to bias, but sounds about right from what we've seen |
| 20:08.24 | brlcad | the 15" line was bad, but the newer ones are outstanding |
| 20:09.55 | brlcad | being twice as susceptible to failure between non-pro and pro is pretty significant for business use, imnsho |
| 20:10.16 | brlcad | there was other reports I read elsewhere from published support requests, but don't have the link handy |
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| 20:11.25 | brlcad | and it's all still pretty insanely higher reliability than the failure rates of other manufacturers iirc |
| 20:11.31 | brlcad | ah yeah, http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9044618 |
| 20:11.49 | PrezKennedy | alright well i e-mailed the decision makers... |
| 20:11.55 | PrezKennedy | maybe theyll go for it, but i doubt it |
| 20:12.22 | brlcad | can't hurt to ask, worse they can say is "no" :) |
| 20:12.41 | PrezKennedy | knowing them we'll end up with two mac mini's |
| 20:12.49 | PrezKennedy | the low end ones |
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| 20:14.20 | brlcad | heh |
| 20:14.32 | brlcad | sounds like a mini cluster! |
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| 20:19.31 | PrezKennedy | it can be a little frustrating |
| 20:31.55 | ``Erik | hm, those macbooks with the core duos look like only the first gen plastic ones, not the metal ones |
| 20:52.44 | PrezKennedy | brlcad, i send you a message |
| 20:52.53 | PrezKennedy | *sent... whoops |
| 20:52.54 | PrezKennedy | ;) |
| 21:03.35 | brlcad | notes distcheck is busted |
| 21:04.22 | brlcad | wonder if cruisecontrol can be configured to email the entire log |
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| 21:16.31 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33906 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/coil.c: Start getting user supplied input working for coil |
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| 22:11.50 | brlcad | woot, distcheck fixed |
| 22:12.09 | brlcad | just in time for release ma?ana |
| 22:18.51 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33907 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/coil.c: Get helix angle working in the coil tool |
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| 23:12.58 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33908 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/coil.c: Get squared, grounded caps working in coil. |
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| 23:31.19 | starseeker | er, whoops - ground not grounded |
| 23:48.13 | Ralith | well, ground is generally grounded. |
| 23:52.22 | starseeker | not if it's a spring ;-) |