IRC log for #brlcad on 20090305

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06:44.10 CIA-40 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33943 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/NIST_DENSITIES:
06:44.10 CIA-40 BRL-CAD: Add example _DENSITIES file for gqa using the data available from NIST:
06:44.10 CIA-40 BRL-CAD: http://physics.nist.gov/PhysRefData/Star/Text/contents.html File can be
06:44.10 CIA-40 BRL-CAD: expanded from other sources if there is interest, but the primary purpose is to
06:44.11 CIA-40 BRL-CAD: have a convenient non-trivial example handy for gqa. Needs to be reviewed to
06:44.13 CIA-40 BRL-CAD: make sure all values are consistent with those on the site, in case of operator
06:44.15 CIA-40 BRL-CAD: error on input.
07:27.04 astrobear is brl-cad participating in google summer of code again?
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09:37.27 brlcad astrobear: we won't know if we get accepted for a while, but we will probably apply
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11:04.00 d-lo Mornin all!
12:27.25 brlcad 2lo
12:46.58 CIA-40 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33944 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/Makefile.am: Bad developer - don't break distcheck. Also, install the densities file somewhere.
12:50.34 starseeker wonders if anybody models ceramics in cad
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13:31.46 CIA-40 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33945 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/system/man1/en/bo.xml: Fix the syntax in the bo docs
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13:57.53 ``Erik *yawn*
14:01.43 ``Erik ceramics? O.o
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14:43.59 starseeker ``Erik: NIST has a database with some density information on ceramic materials
14:44.12 starseeker including high temperature superconductors
14:44.54 starseeker might be a tad specialized to put in the NIST_DENSITIES file, but hey, why not...
14:45.19 _sushi_ is there some default densities file in brl-cad?
14:45.31 starseeker Nope
14:46.28 starseeker added an example one, but it is not any sort of default
14:47.30 starseeker numbers are still subject to change, etc. etc.
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15:42.56 ``Erik heh.
15:43.17 ``Erik dang fools and your irc logs, all makin' rsync work too hard
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16:34.49 brlcad starseeker, ``Erik, et al: make sure all/any publicly visible changes you made are annotated in NEWS
16:35.01 brlcad I have all I know of except for a couple from bob still
16:35.30 starseeker Uh, doc tweaks
16:35.56 starseeker one sec.
16:38.40 CIA-40 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33946 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: Well, it is user visible - corrections to bo man page's description of how the u option is supplied.
16:39.52 starseeker does fixing the blathering of the Geometry browser due to using the tops -u command count?
16:40.27 starseeker knows, user visible... user actually requested fix... grumble..
16:42.43 CIA-40 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33947 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: Note correction to Geometry Browser - user won't see continual warnings about tops options any more.
16:43.11 starseeker OK, I should be good
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17:34.03 ``Erik most of mine are adrt, which I'm not being public about just yet (as none of the public clients ... work)
17:34.33 ``Erik yeah, I'm all up to date
17:42.49 brlcad k
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19:20.28 starseeker brlcad: the scl tarball is just under one meg
19:22.04 brlcad really, one "meg"?
19:22.34 starseeker 992K
19:22.39 brlcad that's surprisingly tiny
19:22.59 brlcad smaller than jove
19:23.31 brlcad rather, smaller than just about everything except awf, regex, and tnt
19:23.40 starseeker this one right? http://www.mel.nist.gov/msidstaff/sauder/SCL.htm
19:26.16 starseeker was kinda wondering about the concern about how big it was...
19:30.48 brlcad yeah, that's the one
19:31.46 brlcad I remembered scl being bigger than that, that express toolkit was small but the class libs were bigger
19:32.58 brlcad hm, something's not matching up :)
19:33.08 brlcad I just downloaded scl and it was 1.7MB compressed :)
19:33.20 starseeker oh, - I recompressed it with gzip
19:33.45 brlcad 6.3MB .. okay, that sounds more what I remembered
19:33.54 starseeker ah
19:34.52 brlcad *fwaps* starseeker
19:35.33 brlcad still, that's not too bad, about the size of libz or libpng
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19:37.33 starseeker given our use of boost and docbook, along with the possibility of using something like OGRE and/or Qt, I hadn't really thought about it much...
19:38.14 brlcad we use a subset of boost
19:38.26 starseeker well, OK, but still
19:38.37 ``Erik but moving
19:38.38 brlcad and ogre is in a diff module
19:40.21 starseeker ok, I give up ;-)
19:40.44 brlcad more concerned with the default checkout getting unnecessarily increased and muddying up history -- we need it, just don't know how much we need just yet
19:41.11 starseeker I take it express itself is the bare minimum?
19:41.24 brlcad yeah
19:41.32 brlcad that's where the size matters, though
19:41.49 brlcad it's relatively very small, so fine either way
19:41.57 brlcad s/very//
19:42.09 starseeker Ah
19:44.05 starseeker alrightie - thanks :-)
19:46.49 starseeker wants to have all the grunt annoyances out of the way for Dave
19:47.15 ``Erik hm, dave was talking about ditching boost as much as possible at one point, iirc
19:47.30 starseeker ``Erik: Yeah - libpc also uses it though
20:01.22 brlcad ``Erik: he used pieces of boost that weren't exactly fun
20:02.03 brlcad used it in a few places that weren't really called for imho too, where we provide interfaces for a simpler form e.g. networking and threading
20:02.27 brlcad libpc's is a lot more warranted with the solver subsystem
20:12.44 brlcad using boost for the C++0x portions is about as far as I'd use it in most cases with a few exceptions
20:14.11 ``Erik *shrug* never dug into stl or boost myself :)
20:19.37 brlcad the stl is good stuff, that's one of the best aspects of c++
20:20.13 brlcad basic class library with algorithms, containers, and data types
20:20.27 brlcad std::string ftw
20:20.32 ``Erik yeah, I saw examples for basic stuff like linked lists, hashtables, etc
20:21.26 brlcad yeah, strings and the various containers are the most useful and most used
20:29.56 starseeker eyes express - apparently the yacc/bison steps are not optional. Hmm
20:37.27 starseeker ah, it's not just the c code - they're doing some tricks.
20:39.25 starseeker mutters something under his breath and digs into the configure script
20:54.32 starseeker hmm - why con't yacc deal with this??
20:54.52 starseeker brlcad: 64 bit build on linux made it trhough distcheck
20:55.57 brlcad if they have a configure script, could just make them a subconfigure
20:58.34 starseeker they have a very nonworking configure script
20:59.31 starseeker in fact, they've got configure serving as the trigger for the make process
20:59.36 starseeker it's loony
21:02.20 starseeker looks like the update has the script logic at least running, so I'll try to gronk what's going on there
21:04.27 starseeker mutters to himself about convoluted build procedures...
21:33.05 ``Erik what convoluted? it's simple, everyone is right and everyone else is wrong. see? easy ;D
22:12.37 CIA-40 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33948 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS:
22:12.37 CIA-40 BRL-CAD: few missing annotations, note that parker fixed a (pretty severe) bug in
22:12.37 CIA-40 BRL-CAD: 'prefix' that caused it to not write out the renamed objects out to disk. this
22:12.37 CIA-40 BRL-CAD: looks like it was possibly a libged migration oversight, but now fixed.
22:35.47 CIA-40 BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r33949 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/mged/text.tcl: This fixes bug 2278235 (i.e. Can't cut-n-paste under Windows).
23:14.45 starseeker ah, that's what I messed up... - didn't patch correctly... hmm
23:15.27 starseeker maybe the update to the SCL libraries here will work, with some tweaking: http://www.statik.tu-cottbus.de/fileadmin/project_dth/scl/
23:23.26 starseeker ok, that's more promising
23:24.30 starseeker brlcad: The NIST file doesn't build, but the updated one just succeeded (with some warnings)
23:24.49 starseeker so I was wrong - we can probably do a subconfigure after all
23:45.39 CIA-40 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33950 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/NIST_DENSITIES: Add note that NIST_DENSITIES shouldn't be used for production analysis

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