IRC log for #brlcad on 20090405

00:18.02 brlcad madant: anderson can be quite a rude asshole if he's not kept in check (and that's not my job, but he was out of line, imho)
00:18.27 brlcad mafm, thx
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00:26.53 Malyce hey brl
00:27.07 Malyce I was studying the examples for the primitives
00:27.10 Malyce arb8
00:27.46 Malyce It seems to me, that the .cpp file, ie. the core extension offers very little as an API
00:27.53 Malyce arb8.cpp
00:28.20 Malyce it lets you basically create the arb and access the vertice data
00:28.33 Malyce while the older c file seemed to provide much more function
00:28.39 Malyce like centroid
00:28.47 Malyce for example
00:28.59 Malyce centroid of the arb
00:29.19 Malyce I was wondering whether this was the intention, or whether this was still a WIP
00:30.08 ``Erik mafm: e46 m3 :)
00:30.12 Malyce since, I still haven't got a reply to my last mail to the mailing list, I wasn't sure how long it will take my question to get answered by Mr.Rossberg
00:30.55 brlcad WIP
00:31.01 Malyce there are not as many comments in the cpp file, as there are in the older c file, so I can't tell
00:31.02 Malyce oh
00:31.14 brlcad Malyce: with any message to the mailing list, you have to wait a couple days
00:31.19 Malyce so the extension that I make can be a similar WIP ?
00:31.22 brlcad many of the devs don't work/communicate on the weekend
00:31.30 Malyce I can understand that
00:31.32 brlcad many others don't work/communicate during the week
00:31.40 Malyce though it doesn't bode well for me
00:31.57 ``Erik :)
00:32.11 Malyce but I am guessing that me creating a similar WIP would then suffice
00:35.26 ``Erik what are you looking for?
00:36.50 Malyce me ?
00:36.58 Malyce creating code for GSCOC
00:37.32 Malyce I was just understanding how Mr.Rossberg implemented primitives so far
00:39.36 Malyce well, goodnight for now
01:01.54 starseeker is still grooving out on REDUCE becoming FOSS
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02:23.39 madant brlcad: huh ? ( didn't get the comment about anderson :) )
02:24.16 madant on an unconnected note :) i am called a rude asshole by a lot of people :D
02:26.12 madant brlcad: ah David Anderson :) only read the whole thread now :D
02:34.13 andrecastelo hi cadheads :)
02:36.23 madant heh.. we have yukonbob2.0 now :P
02:46.55 andrecastelo brlcad: saw your mails to the gsoc list, and i liked it very much heheh
02:47.00 andrecastelo s/mails/mail
05:19.53 starseeker ah, nuts - openmoko is discontinued
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07:21.07 hippieindamakin8 hasnt recieved any comments yet !
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11:42.51 ``Erik hm
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17:06.48 typ0 I still can't run mged in Mac Leopard PPC
17:07.11 typ0 crashes in DisplayWidth() in X_open_dm from dm-X.c
17:08.09 typ0 i tried a simple xtest.c program to test XOpenDisplay() and DisplayWidth() after, and everything went fine
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17:24.21 Malyce hiya
17:24.25 Malyce I had a thought
17:24.50 Malyce brlcad doesn't have some higher primitives like lofts or sweeps
17:25.03 Malyce and such
17:25.46 Malyce Since the people I was working with are basically trying to create point clouds of these structures in Haskell
17:25.59 Malyce using model params I extract from Solidworks
17:26.21 Malyce and since, my employers are a research institute, its all open source
17:26.49 Malyce You guys might find the stuff useful, once we are done
17:27.04 brlcad typ0: is x11 running? did you compile with/without ogl enabled?
17:27.11 Malyce although right now, we are only starting on splines
17:27.17 Malyce no
17:27.24 Malyce oops sorry
17:27.26 brlcad Malyce: there are a couple higher-level primitives, extrusions and pipes (limited sweeps)
17:27.38 Malyce yes, I saw pipes
17:27.54 Malyce We have covered extrusions already
17:27.59 Malyce but so have oyu
17:28.00 Malyce you
17:28.13 Malyce plus we are working in Haskell
17:28.27 brlcad yeah, that'd be a problem
17:28.29 Malyce but I guess, it would help in understanding the final solid
17:28.34 brlcad our core libs are C for a variety of reasons
17:28.40 Malyce since we only care about the point clouds
17:28.52 brlcad we also have a new point cloud primitive ;)
17:29.13 Malyce no, I meant not as a primitive
17:29.39 Malyce the purpose of my research was to get mathematical representations from CAD software
17:30.06 Malyce so once we cover Lofts et al, the documentation from our project might come in handy
17:30.19 Malyce just as a math basis
17:30.57 Malyce or maybe that is already too trivial, since ppl working with BRL seem to have a lot of industry experience
17:31.34 Malyce so they might already know the ins and outs of the math representations already
17:31.48 Malyce of the primitives that is
17:31.53 Malyce just a thought
17:36.42 brlcad Malyce: for what it's worth, we don't have a LOT of features not for lack of wanting those features or even lack of knowledge on how to implement those features or for not thinking about said features
17:37.10 brlcad there is simply just limited manpower and specific priorities, so it's up to those contributing
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17:59.54 brlcad so yeah, it'd be great to have those features .. just need someone like yourself to implement them ;)
18:06.57 Malyce actually that's not a bad idea
18:07.18 Malyce because I suspect I might be done with my primary goal pretty fast
18:07.37 typ0 brlcad: i don't know, i just did the autogen.sh && ./configure && make && make install
18:07.41 Malyce so I could attempt to add a new primitive as well
18:07.53 typ0 is there a way to know from the build result if ogl is enabled ?
18:07.58 typ0 and i have X11 running
18:08.33 brlcad typ0: type fbhelp
18:09.29 typ0 my DISPLAY env var is set to "/tmp/launch-2P5H3l/:0"
18:09.46 typ0 fbhelp launches a black window, and in the terminal there's no references to opengl
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18:59.22 typ0 is it normal to get these warnings in the end of running make:
18:59.24 typ0 ranlib: file: .libs/libdm.a(libdm_la-dm-ogl.o) has no symbols
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21:20.25 *** topic/#brlcad is BRL-CAD Open Source Solid Modeling || http://brlcad.org || http://sf.net/projects/brlcad || Release 7.14.6 posted (20090403) || GSoC2009 Next Step: we're reviewing applications, preliminary slot count on 7th, selections announced on the 15th
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23:24.45 CIA-40 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34155 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO:
23:24.45 CIA-40 BRL-CAD: integrate a library tester into the regression suite. would be good to have a
23:24.45 CIA-40 BRL-CAD: simple dynamic loading tool that will take a built library and compare the
23:24.45 CIA-40 BRL-CAD: symbols its header says should be there. moreover, we could make sure those
23:24.46 CIA-40 BRL-CAD: functions will also run (with zero/null arguments) without crashing. quick test
23:24.48 CIA-40 BRL-CAD: shows that this should be entirely feasible and should uncover a lot of
23:24.50 CIA-40 BRL-CAD: inconsistency cleanup.
23:27.11 CIA-40 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34156 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/ (Makefile.am testlib.c): add a stubbed out library tester. far from complete, but it already is a proof-of-concept for loading a library and loading/testing symbols within that library.
23:31.15 CIA-40 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34157 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/testlib.c: include an example use that tests libbu functions
23:42.25 CIA-40 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34158 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/testlib.c: oop, there's a comment sequence in there

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