| 00:21.15 | brlcad | hippieindamakin8: what do you mean? |
| 00:22.05 | brlcad | typ0: I could probably put in a request to obtain it through ARL if it comes to it, but I'd imagine that there are at least some resources on-line |
| 00:22.44 | typ0 | yeah |
| 00:22.54 | typ0 | i've been tracking them down |
| 00:23.14 | brlcad | hippieindamakin8: the fact that the final decision lies here goes without saying :) it's more "why do you want to do it that way" versus some other way |
| 00:23.14 | typ0 | and all i got were general descriptions of what changed between 5.2 and 5.1 |
| 00:23.49 | typ0 | but no full document of either version so i can understand better what is the change involved |
| 00:23.53 | brlcad | it'll all get taken into consideration when the final reviews and rankings go in, and patch submissions are evaluated |
| 00:25.03 | brlcad | typ0: er, but 5.3 is linked on the wikipedia page no? |
| 00:25.18 | typ0 | yes |
| 00:25.26 | typ0 | but since we are at 5.1 level support |
| 00:25.37 | typ0 | i will need to first implement the 5.2 changes right ? |
| 00:26.15 | typ0 | my plan was getting 5.1/5.2 full documents |
| 00:26.20 | typ0 | and with the help of the changes list |
| 00:26.55 | typ0 | check which area changed, how it changed, and read the appropriate code |
| 00:31.30 | brlcad | doesn't matter so much to know what is/isn't supported through a given change as just supporting everything new |
| 00:31.39 | brlcad | if anything, you have an option for 5.1 and another for 5.3 |
| 00:31.57 | brlcad | but most of the point updates have been incremental additions |
| 00:32.05 | brlcad | not really removing things that we might be exporting |
| 00:34.47 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad : when you said "necessary ", i would rather justify that point as better accuracy ==> better modelling at the cost of computation to some extent. |
| 00:36.07 | brlcad | it's not to some extent |
| 00:36.11 | brlcad | it's to a massive extent |
| 00:36.23 | brlcad | that's why it needs more articulate justification |
| 00:37.02 | brlcad | otherwise most of our apps would simply just use fixed/infinite precision math all the time instead of floating point |
| 00:37.04 | typ0 | cool thanks |
| 00:37.22 | brlcad | the reality is that it's often very impractical and makes some things practically impossible |
| 00:38.31 | brlcad | if it's going to take several hours to evaluate a single BREP/BREP CSG boolean, that's not very useful or practical no matter how accurate or robust it is, for example |
| 00:38.55 | brlcad | an extreme example of course, but not outside of what is possible with that approach |
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| 00:48.37 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, :P |
| 00:50.29 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, as a matter of fact i plan on implementing accurate and floating pt. math and benchmark them and go with the floating point calculations first |
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| 01:35.07 | hippieindamakin8 | i submitted a routine which isnt exactly a patch but it is from the list of todo s . |
| 01:36.59 | brlcad | hippieindamakin8: the one you were going to finish by sunday? :) |
| 01:37.16 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, yeah |
| 01:37.18 | hippieindamakin8 | :| |
| 01:38.03 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, too much of academic load :| (but the best part is i ll get done with the exams by next weekend) |
| 01:38.10 | brlcad | understandable :) |
| 01:38.28 | hippieindamakin8 | 7 full credit courses :P |
| 01:38.55 | brlcad | decent load |
| 01:40.23 | Axman6 | 7? what're you doing man :| |
| 01:40.34 | Axman6 | people who do 5 here are crazy |
| 01:42.03 | hippieindamakin8 | Axman6, , had to ,to graduate this may considering i flunked a couple of courses last year because of my idiocracy.(and low attendance) the classes were at 8am and 9 |
| 01:42.17 | Axman6 | ew |
| 01:42.18 | hippieindamakin8 | *considering that |
| 01:42.34 | Axman6 | 10's my earliest start this semester |
| 01:42.52 | hippieindamakin8 | working on a presentation rt now . have one in 12 hrs. |
| 01:42.59 | hippieindamakin8 | rather term paper |
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| 01:47.07 | brlcad | hippieindamakin8: when does your semester start? |
| 01:47.29 | brlcad | sounds like you should take a summer class to ease the load |
| 01:47.30 | hippieindamakin8 | spring in december last week and fall in the last week of july |
| 01:48.14 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, naah i should be done in this semester the way has been going so far |
| 01:50.29 | Axman6 | assumes he's taking all arts courses, so the work load isn't that bad at all :P |
| 01:51.09 | hippieindamakin8 | hehe Axman6 i am out of all the humanities ,btw all my humanities have been arts => a minor in arts |
| 01:51.46 | hippieindamakin8 | Axman6, as open electives i took some sophomore courses of mathematics to ease up load |
| 01:52.51 | hippieindamakin8 | and some easier courses like robot dynamics , optimization , energy systems. the only course i fear rt now is computational geometry |
| 01:57.06 | AlexandreGuedes | hi |
| 01:57.23 | AlexandreGuedes | to fix it "g-vrml ignores bots that are created with dxf-g" |
| 01:57.36 | AlexandreGuedes | can someone help me ? |
| 02:04.49 | dreeves | starseeker that approach seemed to work for the cylinder |
| 02:05.30 | dreeves | brlcad I got the cylinder rt the way it is in the image without the special case trim |
| 02:07.56 | brlcad | AlexandreGuedes: you have to be much more specific |
| 02:08.08 | brlcad | dreeves: awesome |
| 02:08.16 | brlcad | what'd it take? |
| 02:12.14 | AlexandreGuedes | brlcad: the problem would be in g-vrml |
| 02:12.29 | starseeker | dreeves: cccoooolll! |
| 02:12.37 | starseeker | what does it do with the tube? |
| 02:13.55 | AlexandreGuedes | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:15.53 | brlcad | AlexandreGuedes: "a familiar strategy"? learn the basics of using both those tools, reproduce the problem, understand the problem, review the code, walk through suspect routines with a debugger, fix the problem |
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| 02:16.51 | AlexandreGuedes | maybe this function bot2vrml in g-vrml |
| 02:18.23 | dreeves | I have tried the tube let me clean up a little then I will tackle the other geometries |
| 02:18.32 | dreeves | s/have/have not |
| 02:19.58 | starseeker | awesome :-) |
| 02:20.12 | starseeker | does ritual geek bow |
| 02:20.37 | dreeves | it is nice to finally see it trim without hacks!! |
| 02:21.02 | dreeves | returns geek bow |
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| 02:22.42 | AlexandreGuedes | I am reproducing the error here |
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| 02:23.20 | dreeves | now the next big challenge is to figure out to interrupt the other attributes of the various trims |
| 02:23.45 | starseeker | interrupt? |
| 02:25.42 | brlcad | AlexandreGuedes: there are different types of bots -- some 'solid' some 'shells' and a few others -- find out which ones each exports/imports and how the routines work with those types |
| 02:27.47 | AlexandreGuedes | ok I'm doing some test |
| 02:35.32 | dreeves | s/interrupt/interpret/ |
| 02:35.41 | dreeves | I can't spell |
| 03:04.23 | dreeves | starseeker the tube isn't working yet because I'm dealing with inner loops any different than outer loops all the cylinder's loops are outer basically inner loops you trim the opposite what you trim with inner loops |
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| 03:06.59 | cad02 | any mentors here |
| 03:09.36 | cad02 | is there Sir Christopher Sen Morrison |
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| 03:11.36 | cad02 | any mentors for brl-cad please |
| 03:13.46 | Ralith | cad02: be patient. |
| 03:13.57 | Ralith | this is not, as they say, a call center. |
| 03:16.07 | cad02 | so what shoud i do for that,i want to talk to brl-cad mentor,its urgent please |
| 03:17.00 | louipc | cad02: you may want to send an email to the brlcad-devel mailing list |
| 03:22.22 | brlcad | ~ask |
| 03:22.23 | ibot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
| 03:22.32 | brlcad | bah |
| 03:23.40 | brlcad | highly suspects it's an applicant that was recently reprimanded |
| 03:41.53 | deeeffache | i never knew there was a british knight on the dev team |
| 03:42.24 | brlcad | heh |
| 03:44.46 | poolio | deeeffache: AHAHA, I was just typing in "Apparently you've been knighted, brlcad" but you beat me to it |
| 03:53.12 | PrezKennedy | brlcad, im still stuffed from Fogo de Chao |
| 03:59.58 | brlcad | PrezKennedy: heh |
| 04:00.30 | brlcad | is sure there is still some meat in his belly from there |
| 04:01.08 | starseeker | we'll have to get brlcad a coat of arms that uses mossworld |
| 04:01.54 | brlcad | already has a 'Morrison' coat of arms, Scottish heritage ftw |
| 04:02.54 | starseeker | cool! |
| 04:09.32 | poolio | awesome. |
| 04:14.06 | typ0 | sorry to interrupt... |
| 04:14.30 | typ0 | are there any issues with IGES 5.1 left to solve ? |
| 04:21.24 | brlcad | typ0: nothing specific comes to mind, but wouldn't really know without having a slew of iges 5.1 files to test out |
| 04:25.18 | bjorkintosh | woohoo! i'm gonna see sonny rollins |
| 04:38.55 | typ0 | yeah |
| 04:39.20 | typ0 | they have a lot of files to test in www.iges5x.org |
| 04:39.32 | typ0 | i'll add a phase to my timeline for this testing |
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| 04:51.03 | dreeves | sweet the tube looks like tube now trims appear to be fully functional! |
| 04:51.38 | dreeves | slow but noting a little prepping and subdivision couldn't improve |
| 05:04.00 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03ddreeves70 * r34216 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/brep/brep.cpp: this appears to have the trims implemented correctly now. Pretty slow needs some work to make faster but a good first cut. |
| 05:07.00 | dreeves | starseeker which one of the files should I test with from http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/CAD_MODELS/VIA_OpenBook/ |
| 05:16.22 | dreeves | starseeker nevermind I found what I was looking for |
| 05:35.25 | typ0 | does brl-cad support having BREP Objects as CSG Primitives ? |
| 06:12.00 | Ralith | brlcad: with an approach to communication like that, one can see why. |
| 06:15.55 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Ddreeves70 07http://brlcad.org * r1386 10/wiki/BREP_Primitive: /* Current Images of test cases */ |
| 06:18.14 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Ddreeves70 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/upload: uploaded a new version of "[[Image:Brep Cylinder.png]]" |
| 06:19.10 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Ddreeves70 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/upload: uploaded "[[Image:Brep Dented Sphere.png]]" |
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| 06:21.23 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Ddreeves70 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/upload: uploaded "[[Image:Brep Ellipsoid.png]]" |
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| 06:25.54 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Ddreeves70 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/upload: uploaded "[[Image:Brep Paraboloid.png]]" |
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| 06:28.01 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Ddreeves70 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/upload: uploaded a new version of "[[Image:Brep Pipe.png]]" |
| 06:29.23 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Ddreeves70 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/upload: uploaded "[[Image:Brep Rebuilt Sphere.png]]" |
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| 06:32.08 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Ddreeves70 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/upload: uploaded "[[Image:Brep Sph Cyl 1.png]]" |
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| 06:43.49 | dreeves | starseeker brlcad I have updated the wiki with raytraced images some issues I need to investigate but at least now I don't think it is trims causing the problem |
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| 06:46.47 | dreeves | I'm working to see if I can raytrace d2.g |
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| 06:50.48 | brlcad | typ0: yes, we have a new 'brep' primitive being implemented |
| 06:54.29 | dreeves | brlcad i put the tube image on wiki |
| 06:56.50 | brlcad | dreeves: yeah, I saw! |
| 06:57.03 | brlcad | pretty cool -- is that an inner trim with an outer trim? |
| 06:57.10 | brlcad | how's the top handled? |
| 06:57.11 | dreeves | yes |
| 06:57.17 | brlcad | awesome |
| 06:57.50 | brlcad | so you do some left/right parity test on the trims to determine if it's a hit? |
| 06:58.30 | dreeves | I find the closest point on the trim to the hit point in uv space |
| 06:59.06 | dreeves | then I get the normal at that point and make direction vector from the closest point to the hit point then compare the normal to the dir vector |
| 06:59.31 | dreeves | if they are pointing the same dir then the point is outside the curve |
| 07:00.09 | brlcad | for an outer trim, how's that help testing against an inner trim? |
| 07:00.20 | brlcad | or worse, nested trims |
| 07:00.33 | dreeves | well inner trims are nested |
| 07:00.50 | dreeves | at least they are in opennurbs |
| 07:01.20 | dreeves | same check |
| 07:01.23 | brlcad | right, but case of having an inner trim that has another outer trim inside of it |
| 07:01.40 | brlcad | a post running through your tube example's hole |
| 07:02.11 | dreeves | yeah the difference of the 2 is that an inner you throw away hits inside vs outside |
| 07:02.34 | dreeves | it actually is pretty simple |
| 07:03.20 | dreeves | the first loop is always an outer trim and all the others according to what I read are holes... |
| 07:04.09 | dreeves | Actually have no rays on the tube where I have an odd number of hits |
| 07:04.38 | dreeves | for that matter none on any of the geometries except I had 2 on the dented sphere |
| 07:05.05 | dreeves | I think that is from the singularity trims |
| 07:05.07 | brlcad | right, but iirc, you can have holes in your holes (resulting in non-holes hits inside) |
| 07:05.52 | dreeves | remembers someone saying you can't dig a hole in hole :) |
| 07:05.55 | brlcad | might be misremembering, but recall going over the need for testing all the curves to determine if the point was trimmed |
| 07:06.10 | brlcad | a pseudo parity test of sorts (but not really) |
| 07:06.17 | dreeves | I'm just joking btw |
| 07:06.23 | dreeves | I know what you are asking |
| 07:06.55 | brlcad | does end up being parity in UV space iirc, a straight line in any direction |
| 07:07.04 | dreeves | Yeah I do check every trim every time unless I determine the point is trimmed |
| 07:07.37 | dreeves | not the way I did it the code that was there previously definitely went that way |
| 07:08.03 | dreeves | but I decided against that was having to many problems with tolerance issues |
| 07:08.30 | dreeves | my special case trim lead me down that path |
| 07:09.03 | brlcad | maybe just need an even more 'special case' :) |
| 07:09.55 | dreeves | Well knock on wood so far every test case I have thrown at it it is handling the trims looks like we still have some issues with normal on some of the spheres |
| 07:10.34 | brlcad | yeah, the dented sphere looks pretty wrong |
| 07:10.54 | dreeves | I'm fairly sure those are normal issues because if it was missing hit points I would be getting odd number of hits which I'm not |
| 07:12.03 | dreeves | I think I'm getting those issues near face boundaries but I'm not sure yet |
| 07:13.16 | dreeves | would you say that dent looks right or not? Maybe I should build an actual dent sphere and compare |
| 07:15.20 | brlcad | doesn't look right to me |
| 07:15.34 | brlcad | edges seem too dark, highlight is peculiar |
| 07:15.50 | brlcad | almost like it's bulging out instead of in |
| 07:16.31 | dreeves | probably should maybe rt from different angles like from the side then it will be obvious what is going on |
| 07:21.52 | dreeves | the code is very much in prototype form right now btw |
| 07:22.56 | brlcad | it's quite possible that it's actually correct too, just a lot of unnatural distoration due to lacking global illumination |
| 07:23.37 | dreeves | right I'm more concerned with what looks like the 2 rips in the surface |
| 07:24.05 | dreeves | the rebuilt sphere is showing the problem as well |
| 07:24.18 | dreeves | Do you know where those test cases came from? |
| 07:28.33 | dreeves | The rips could be from tolerances I guess I will focus on that next. I'm going to leave the rt of starseeker's d2.g (the laptop part) i think if it works will probably take hours |
| 07:28.49 | brlcad | not quite the same setup, but interesting nonetheless: http://brlcad.org/tmp/dented_sph.png |
| 07:29.17 | brlcad | so maybe it is right |
| 07:29.46 | brlcad | though interesting that the lights are that different |
| 07:30.55 | dreeves | are you certain that you got all the dimension the same? |
| 07:31.03 | brlcad | not at all |
| 07:31.10 | brlcad | just eyeballed up something similar |
| 07:31.25 | dreeves | yeah you case makes its point though |
| 07:31.48 | dreeves | but the difference in dimension could explain the difference in the lighting |
| 07:31.59 | brlcad | yep |
| 07:32.48 | brlcad | betting the 3dm one is probably pretty tiny |
| 07:33.02 | dreeves | This is where I wish I had direct access to more powerful machines I think I could definitely trouble shoot these more complex examples |
| 07:33.32 | dreeves | Yeah very small I think |
| 07:33.48 | dreeves | faster is what I meant to say |
| 07:34.14 | dreeves | I think I will be able to trouble shoot them but I'm going to have to optimize just to be able to troubleshoot |
| 07:35.44 | dreeves | I think we are making good progress what do you think? |
| 07:36.00 | brlcad | fantastic progress |
| 07:36.23 | brlcad | and 'we' is being very generous -- 'you' are making great progress |
| 07:36.29 | brlcad | nice work |
| 07:37.03 | dreeves | thanks |
| 07:37.30 | brlcad | welp, I have a presentation to finish up for later today, ttyl! |
| 07:37.45 | dreeves | but I wasn't hamming for a compliment I was just curious because you had seen previous attempts at this and I was interested in your view of comparsion |
| 07:38.20 | brlcad | the devil is in the robustness |
| 07:38.28 | dreeves | agreed |
| 07:38.48 | dreeves | ok well ttyl I have to grab some sleep I have early meetings |
| 07:39.14 | brlcad | previous efforts were also quick to show quick progress on sample cases, but then every new sample introduced a new problem, often conflicting .. and the spagetti and tolerance tweaking hell begins :) |
| 07:39.59 | brlcad | your efforts are pretty quick, though, great to see |
| 07:40.19 | dreeves | yeah I'm not going to be happy until we get some much larger examples going but I want to clean up the small ones first |
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| 11:50.58 | starseeker | dreeves: yeah, the d2 model I've only successfully raytraced overnight |
| 11:51.25 | starseeker | I think there are something like 20+ minutes of prep time - can't recall how long the actual raytrace took |
| 11:52.13 | starseeker | once that one is working I'll do a proper import of the openmoko model as openNURBS files and then we can really have some fun ;-) |
| 12:50.21 | dreeves | starseeker yeah the rt still isn't handling that one yet. Did you see the update on the wiki of the tube? |
| 12:59.53 | brlcad | groves to Only by NiN |
| 13:00.49 | kanzure | hah. |
| 13:00.53 | kanzure | I now knight you, sir brlcad |
| 13:03.46 | brlcad | bows |
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| 13:24.15 | starseeker | hrm - segmentation fault on the d2 raytrace here |
| 13:26.22 | starseeker | dreeves: yeah, saw the tube - awesome! :-) |
| 13:27.26 | starseeker | groans as he realizes he needs to stop by the bank |
| 13:27.30 | starseeker | yuck |
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| 14:50.07 | brlcad | hi Elena |
| 14:50.50 | Elena | hello |
| 14:50.56 | Elena | one sec |
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| 14:56.28 | elena | i'm back. |
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| 15:58.02 | starseeker | reclaims his name |
| 16:00.18 | pacman87 | and the thrown? or do you have to raise an army first? |
| 16:00.36 | pacman87 | er, throne |
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| 16:07.18 | louipc | Sir Morrison will defend your honour. |
| 16:15.33 | dreeves2 | Hey brlcad or starseeker did ed see the trimmed breps yet? I'm curious about his feedback |
| 16:17.37 | ``Erik | grumbles, reads, and grumbles some more |
| 16:19.17 | ``Erik | this is sad, I'm seein' crap in email before the irc excahnge that caused it heh |
| 16:20.10 | ``Erik | yes, sir morrison will grab a lance and jump on a horse |
| 16:20.12 | ``Erik | :D |
| 16:23.53 | ``Erik | ponders the cultural swath of this all |
| 16:23.56 | brlcad | wants a lance and a pony |
| 16:24.26 | ``Erik | waren't all too long ago that such a form was highly praising in the anglo culture, y'know? |
| 16:24.46 | ``Erik | totally has to give brlcad a "my little pony" now :D |
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| 16:25.54 | ``Erik | I gave my brother a sailor moon doll for his 16th birthday, he retaliated by giving me a 'callisto' doll from xena the next year :) |
| 16:26.08 | ``Erik | hopes he didn't say anything insulting O.o |
| 16:27.57 | ``Erik | brlcad, you asked me about mentoring rolls... I'm kinda imagining my utility being as a meta-mentor this go-around, the # of slots vs mentors seem to match up for that |
| 16:28.25 | ``Erik | I can take one on as a specific roll, but I want to let other people do it so we get a broader experience base |
| 16:43.18 | starseeker | could see brlcad taking up jousting if crew gets to be too mundane ;-) |
| 16:43.54 | pacman87 | or do both at once and joust on the water |
| 16:44.38 | starseeker | heh - "ramming speed!" |
| 16:45.11 | ``Erik | did ramming speed in canoes, in freezing weather... was on the losing boat, it sucked |
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| 16:49.07 | starseeker | ``Erik: one too many viewings of Ben Hur? ;-) |
| 16:49.26 | ``Erik | um, actually, I've never seen that |
| 16:50.24 | starseeker | finally - a cultural icon I HAVE seen and someone else HASN'T ;-) |
| 16:50.54 | ``Erik | dons his dunce cap |
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| 17:29.38 | ``Erik | nice, jabbering with a fbsd dude who got a brlcad license back in 'the day', with the faxes and shit |
| 17:30.51 | starseeker | heh, cool |
| 17:47.11 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r34217 10/brlcad/trunk/src/archer/plugins/Wizards/ (tankwizard/TankWizard.tcl tirewizard/TireWizard.tcl): Modified the TireWizard and the TankWizard to use ttk. |
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| 18:52.01 | brlcad | ``Erik: that's fine, but then you need to be wielding a meta-mentor hammer to get the other mentors to check the mentor willingness button |
| 18:52.36 | brlcad | at least two need to step up, or a slot will be dropped |
| 18:52.47 | brlcad | will send an e-mail today |
| 18:52.58 | brlcad | dreeves2: yes, he saw it -- talked about it with him for a while |
| 18:53.28 | brlcad | one of the things that might make things work is that I believe nested trims toggle orientation for each nesting |
| 18:53.41 | ``Erik | will serve where needed. |
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| 19:08.54 | dreeves2 | brlcad thanks. You are correct about the nesting and orientation and the current trim code supports that |
| 19:09.47 | dreeves2 | brlcad are you seeing a problem with the trim of any of the examples? I think all those trims are working |
| 19:10.10 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34218 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/mged/help.tcl: document the fact that opendb reports the open database if no arguments are given |
| 19:10.14 | dreeves2 | I think I am having a normal problem that is affecting good calculation of the surface normals |
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| 19:32.00 | dreeves2 | I meant I'm having a tolerance issue that is causing problems when calculating surface normals |
| 19:32.26 | dreeves2 | Seems to be happening when approaching face edges |
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| 20:48.15 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Carlosvsilva 07http://brlcad.org * r1407 10/wiki/User:Carlosvsilva: Posted reviewed application, hope to get feedback! |
| 20:59.26 | typ0 | is my application well-defined and good enough for brl-cad project |
| 20:59.42 | typ0 | or are there some areas which could be improved further ? |
| 21:06.10 | brlcad | typ0: before answering that, did you do everything on our gsoc checklist? |
| 21:07.05 | brlcad | I don't recall a patch for you iirc, which would be a problem as that's a pretty big evaluation factor |
| 21:07.55 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, any comments ? |
| 21:08.42 | hippieindamakin8 | though it was not a high priority and was minute |
| 21:08.58 | typ0 | brlcad: yep, i read all |
| 21:09.17 | brlcad | not talking about reading it :) |
| 21:09.21 | typ0 | and i am now picking up a good issue to produce a patch |
| 21:09.22 | brlcad | those are action lists ;) |
| 21:09.33 | typ0 | yeah, i mean i done it all except for the patch |
| 21:09.48 | typ0 | i was pretty busy with brlcad not running on the latest X11 for MacOS X |
| 21:10.01 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, :) neways keeping my fingers crossed |
| 21:10.01 | typ0 | ultimately i downgraded and it started working |
| 21:10.30 | brlcad | rather late to be working on a patch :) |
| 21:10.50 | typ0 | i spent a lot of time with the code, but the bug was crossing to the Tk side of the project, and i wasn't so familiar with it |
| 21:11.02 | hippieindamakin8 | retires to bed |
| 21:11.13 | typ0 | yeah im late |
| 21:11.17 | typ0 | previously i thought there was no interest in my application |
| 21:11.27 | typ0 | for the lack of comments and no answering to my questions here |
| 21:11.48 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, dont u ever sleep ?or u go on combat naps ? |
| 21:11.57 | typ0 | can i still submit a patch today ? |
| 21:12.27 | brlcad | typ0: you can, it'll just be tough to evaluate it fairly against others |
| 21:13.30 | typ0 | i see |
| 21:13.44 | typ0 | that's why i have some work from me at http://planet.homeunix.org |
| 21:14.00 | typ0 | gSoC 2007 and other |
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| 22:20.20 | Ralith | brlcad: thanks for the comments! That addressed my major uncertainties quite nicely. |
| 22:27.30 | Ralith | web browsers should support embedding user-supplied text editors for multiline entry areas. |
| 22:38.55 | Ralith | mafm: you there? |
| 22:43.40 | mafm | Ralith: yes, I am |
| 22:44.12 | Ralith | mafm: how much does g3d as-is interact with libged? |
| 22:44.25 | Ralith | I remember hearing that it could load geometry; is that the case? |
| 22:46.07 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34221 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/Makefile.am: distcheck fixme |
| 22:47.41 | mafm | Ralith: it uses commands that in turn call g3d directly |
| 22:48.49 | Ralith | how much, not how. |
| 22:48.53 | Ralith | what does it do? |
| 22:49.09 | mafm | basically, nothing, just sample commands if at all |
| 22:49.27 | mafm | libged and higher level services using it were incomplete by that time |
| 22:49.52 | Ralith | so it can't load geometry? |
| 22:50.21 | mafm | see GedCommand* |
| 22:51.05 | mafm | it calls libged directly, though it should use the geometry server, I don't know if it's available now |
| 22:51.39 | mafm | it won't load a .g file and show it in the screen, not that |
| 22:52.17 | mafm | I started implementing simple commands, and discovered (and fixed, then with help from brlcad) some segfaults in libged itself, etc |
| 22:52.27 | mafm | part of that was already after gsoc |
| 22:53.16 | Ralith | kk |
| 22:53.17 | Ralith | thanks |
| 22:55.03 | mafm | I started by creating an ogre environment with the windows, camera modes, a console with commands for controlling the application etc; since the migration to libged was pretty much WIP and there was no network abstraction over that at the time |
| 22:55.05 | brlcad | the geometry server is to a simple working state now where it will accept a connection and can deliver geometry |
| 22:57.04 | Ralith | oo |
| 22:57.11 | Ralith | that sounds functional enough to hook up to! |
| 22:57.53 | Ralith | considering that I'm cutting back on the amount of functionality that will be implemented, think that might be a reasonable thing to do? |
| 22:59.01 | mafm | well, I'd say that you first get Qt working with OGRE |
| 22:59.21 | Ralith | of course |
| 22:59.25 | mafm | it might be trivial, it might not if there are problems with multi-threading and so on |
| 22:59.52 | mafm | then you can replace the simple windows by mimicking the interface, or enhancing them while doing so |
| 23:00.05 | mafm | you can then get rid of non-Qt stuff, and go on from there |
| 23:00.26 | mafm | the working commands are pretty basic |
| 23:00.34 | Ralith | that's my first two milestones right there :P |
| 23:01.10 | mafm | you need to convert geometry to be shown in OGRE, that part is not done (I created a sample tetrahedron, not a proper conversion) |
| 23:02.07 | mafm | and a way to convert back from ogre to libged |
| 23:02.23 | Ralith | ogre's just for display |
| 23:02.40 | Ralith | I think it would be better to go libged -> ogre, edits -> libged, libged -> ogre |
| 23:02.46 | mafm | well, yes, but you first need to convert a .g to OGRE object, don't know very well how |
| 23:02.48 | Ralith | rather than libged -> ogre, edits -> ogre, ogre -> libged |
| 23:03.01 | Ralith | I wouldn't do that either |
| 23:03.09 | Ralith | just have some logic for rendering the .g in-situ |
| 23:03.40 | mafm | but then need to be able to tell to libged which vertex that you're selecting to remove or something like that, I guess (dunno much about the process of modelling) |
| 23:03.45 | Ralith | e.g. I may try to implement some basic mged-style wireframeness, which would just look at the primitive type and its params and procedurally form a wireframe based on that |
| 23:03.51 | Ralith | so? |
| 23:04.21 | Ralith | all actual editing of the file should be done through the interface provided by BRL-CAD |
| 23:04.31 | Ralith | remember, this is supposed to be something of a thin client |
| 23:04.52 | Ralith | just a GUI and state display |
| 23:04.57 | mafm | yes, but if you position the object by clicking with the mouse, you'll have to convert from OGRE coordinates to brl-cad coordinates |
| 23:05.21 | Ralith | er, is there a reason not to just set things up such that they're equivalent? |
| 23:05.43 | Ralith | it'd be incredibly convenient to do things like selecting objects would be incredibly convenient through librt, anyway, I think |
| 23:06.38 | Ralith | 'cuz that's what a selection is, really; tracing a ray from the camera's orign through the screen and finding the first thing it intersects with |
| 23:07.03 | mafm | I don't even know if OGRE coordinates and brl-cad's are the same |
| 23:07.40 | mafm | so (1, 0, 3) might not be the same point in OGRE display and brl-cad backend :) |
| 23:08.36 | mafm | note that I say might, actually it's one of the things that I'd had liked to investigate last summer, but didn't get to that point |
| 23:08.48 | Ralith | so if they aren't, set them up to be so. |
| 23:08.56 | Ralith | it's a 3 dimensional cartesian coordinate system |
| 23:09.04 | Ralith | they can only be so different |
| 23:09.38 | mafm | I didn't say that it was a lot of work, just that it needs to be studied :) |
| 23:10.28 | mafm | and if OGRE doesn't accept .g files, which I guess not, you have to perform some kind of conversion to "load" the view in OGRE |
| 23:10.59 | Ralith | I'm fairly sure OGRE can render things in ways other than loading files. |
| 23:11.35 | mafm | yes, like creating so called "manual objects" (as the sample tetrahedron) |
| 23:13.20 | mafm | probably this step is also not very hard, I just name it as something to be done not yet implemented in g3d |
| 23:15.05 | mafm | if you're satisfied with the way that commands, camera modes etc work, I'd say that the next steps would be to hook to the Geometry Service and start replicating the functionality of the editor |
| 23:15.36 | mafm | maybe the structure of commands as it's now it's not needed, and for GED commands you can just send them as a string over the network |
| 23:16.29 | mafm | (currently it does some pre-processing checking number of arguments, etc) |
| 23:17.08 | mafm | brlcad: am I correct, or am I a bad mentor? :P |
| 23:29.38 | mafm | ... |
