IRC log for #brlcad on 20090510

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02:20.04 Ralith ``Erik: haha
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16:30.03 elena hi
18:06.24 ``Erik heh, nutty, 5 supercars racing, each with only a gallon of gas O.o top gear ++
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18:25.13 alvaro which is the qcad channel ?
18:27.42 elena i don't see it in this servel list.
18:28.17 alvaro is #qcad ?
18:28.44 elena try it. it didn't show up in my listing.
18:29.19 alvaro can i get qcad support here?
18:29.50 elena i don't know what it is. maybe others do.
18:30.13 elena i've seen some forums about qcad-brlcad integration.
18:30.45 alvaro qcad and brl cad should be integrated...
18:33.18 alvaro is there a command like offset in qcad ?
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19:21.36 ``Erik /t BRL-CAD - NOT qcad, tyvm
19:21.38 ``Erik :D
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19:22.05 elena too late. he's gone.
19:22.46 ``Erik I know, thus my willingness to be so glib
19:22.59 ``Erik *shineyhappyfaceforthepople*
19:23.17 elena :)
19:23.23 ``Erik people, even
19:25.02 ``Erik how is your model repo thing going? still exploring the technologies and preparing? I knwo you submitted last year but went with another project, I imagine you have a good grasp of the situation as it relates to your proposal?
19:25.45 elena it's going ok.
19:26.07 elena yes. i did. and actually it was a good thing i didn't get in last year.
19:26.23 elena i got a change to learn more about brlcad meanwhile.
19:26.50 ``Erik ok, for the technical side, we're going with a mentor "pool", and I'm listed as unattached/admin, *shrug* let me know how I can help. your success is our success :D
19:27.22 elena thank you. I'll "bookmark" you ;)
19:27.37 ``Erik as long as you don't "favorite" me O.o
19:27.47 elena how was your weekend?
19:28.02 ``Erik busy, much cleaning of the domicile
19:28.34 ``Erik I received "lisp in small pieces" on thursday and haven't had a chance to really sit down with it :(
19:28.53 ``Erik yours?
19:29.11 elena seems like better than yours :)
19:29.38 elena did you moved recently?
19:29.54 elena or just scheduled cleaning.
19:29.54 pacman87 waves to elena and ``Erik
19:29.56 ``Erik I'd hope so, given that you have the ability to hop a light rail and go get 'exotic' food and beer O:-)
19:30.02 elena hi pacman
19:30.29 pacman87 i'm the 'new primitives' gsocer
19:31.23 ``Erik make-up cleaning for a long period of squalor, preparing to sell it
19:31.25 pacman87 my weekend was spend coding a pipelined implemnation of the LC3b
19:31.33 ``Erik 'LC3b'?
19:31.53 pacman87 yeah, really minimal instruction set for teaching purposes
19:32.02 ``Erik (please make good _tess routines, my adrt/isst work is all BoT)
19:32.07 pacman87 only 14 instructions
19:32.11 ``Erik ah
19:32.30 ``Erik I wrote a 'brainfuck' interpreter/compiler suite for fundamental optimization research, that's fun stuff :)
19:32.38 pacman87 lol
19:33.00 pacman87 i finished my tetris in assembly this week, ended up ~3k when assembled
19:33.10 ``Erik which arch/os?
19:33.13 pacman87 6811
19:33.22 elena isn't tetris the enemy of pacman ?
19:33.28 ``Erik no os? raw? what vidoe and input hw?
19:33.46 ``Erik (and why not 6812? we may've discussed this, but I may not have been very sober)
19:33.51 pacman87 input is four switches, output is a 128x64 px LCD panel
19:34.01 ``Erik um, I2C lcd?
19:34.07 pacman87 because we were given 681's
19:34.13 ``Erik ah, classwork? :D
19:34.32 pacman87 yeah
19:34.38 pacman87 6811's *
19:34.43 ``Erik <-- still curious about how the lcd is wired pu
19:34.46 ``Erik up
19:34.55 pacman87 no, i put the LCD on the memory bus
19:35.01 pacman87 we used an external 8K eeprom
19:35.08 ``Erik hm
19:35.14 ``Erik nice
19:35.17 ``Erik EE class? :)
19:35.32 pacman87 i had to switch out the crystal from 8 to 4 MHz to run at 1 MHz so the LCD could keep up
19:35.38 ``Erik hehehhe
19:35.40 pacman87 yeah, embedded systems
19:36.03 pacman87 i also had to write my own 3x5 pixel font
19:36.21 ``Erik awesome :) when I did my CS coursework many many years ago, anything that involved touching physical low level hw was an 'ee' class over in the physics dept... at least we still did C and asm back then :)
19:36.49 pacman87 yeah, i designed the whole thing from the circuit board on up
19:36.53 pacman87 :D
19:37.23 ``Erik impressive :)
19:37.56 ``Erik <-- been half tempted to buy a 68040 and build a crude unix box ground up, so has an idea of the sheer awesomeness of what ya did
19:42.37 ``Erik btw, pacman, grab a camera and show us pics of your masterpiece ;)
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19:58.42 ``Erik someone is bbq'ing pig
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20:07.54 pacman87 ``Erik: i would take pics, but i haven't gotten moto4lin working in KDE4 yet to get them off my phone
20:08.43 pacman87 after i finish coding this, i'll reboot into an install with KDE3
20:09.09 elena is leaving.
20:09.12 elena bye
20:09.16 ``Erik <-- never liked kde, was alwys a gnome weenie
20:09.23 ``Erik have a nice evening, elena :)
20:09.28 elena thanks.
20:09.39 pacman87 farewell
20:09.55 elena I liked kde3 better than gnome. now i like gnome better than kde4.
20:10.12 pacman87 ``Erik: i'm the opposite (kde vs gnome)
20:11.16 ``Erik I first used gnome 0.10, after learning qt... there were severe weaknesses in qt at the time, and the first kde that came around was... pathetic... throw in that gcc2.7 sucked at c++ and took forever on a 120mhz 48m machine, ... :) I turned into a hardcore C gtk/gnome beeyotch
20:11.42 ``Erik every time I try qt/kde, it takes effin' forever to compile and just feels all 'wrong'
20:11.51 ``Erik trying too much to be like windows to me
20:12.11 pacman87 grew up with windows, doen't know any better
20:12.16 pacman87 doesn't *
20:12.27 ``Erik that gnucash via macports requires aqbanking, which requires qt3... that pisses me off. A lot.
20:12.57 ``Erik ah, I got hooked on 'puters before msdos was popular :) I look for the os that sucks least in my view, winderz has never been anywhere in the running
20:12.59 pacman87 my first install was slackware 10
20:13.08 ``Erik heh
20:13.18 pacman87 i remember ms-dos shell
20:13.25 ``Erik I have a stack of color coded floppy disks from slackware 2.0
20:13.46 pacman87 then win 3.1
20:14.07 pacman87 i still have the windows entertainment pack floppy
20:14.13 ``Erik tried to grab a different color fo reach disk set, then wrote (in pencil) the set and number... intended to re-use them, didn't wnat to waste a label
20:14.16 pacman87 16 bit apps
20:14.36 ``Erik hm, 6811 is fun, but I bloodied myself on 6502 :(
20:14.42 pacman87 so i got an integer overflow in the high score table for tetris
20:14.47 ``Erik and 6510
20:15.13 ``Erik steal another bite, on overflow, inc the new byte and clear the old one
20:15.16 ``Erik byte
20:15.35 ``Erik then mush them together for highscore
20:15.35 pacman87 not my tetris, the windows tetris :P
20:15.37 ``Erik oh
20:15.39 ``Erik hah
20:15.39 ``Erik :D
20:15.49 ``Erik thought you meant your 68HC11 beastie
20:15.55 ``Erik assumes an HC
20:16.03 pacman87 strangely enough, the negative scores are still at the top of the list
20:16.06 pacman87 yeah, HC
20:16.17 ``Erik sort must be unsigned
20:16.26 pacman87 yeah
20:16.49 ``Erik simple bit radix sort will do that
20:16.51 brlcad finishes giving elle a bath and removing her bonnet
20:16.58 pacman87 it's disappointing that XP x64 can't run them
20:17.07 pacman87 cause they dropped 16 bit support
20:17.59 ``Erik heh, or unsigned short vs %d/%u confusion
20:18.06 ``Erik O.O
20:18.12 ``Erik oh
20:18.16 ``Erik the orange thing
20:18.46 ``Erik brlcad, drive about 30 minutes up 1... then pick me up and take me to the package store. :D
20:18.58 ``Erik *duck*
20:19.00 brlcad heh
20:19.04 brlcad no.
20:19.16 ``Erik feigns surprise
20:20.58 ``Erik (ya'll remembered to call your mothers, right?)
20:23.13 *** join/#brlcad morricone_ (n=morricon@d60-65-207-181.col.wideopenwest.com)
20:23.40 morricone_ is the solid modeling about modeling matter?
20:24.21 morricone_ anyone know anything about QCad
20:24.48 morricone_ and how to digitize images to get coordinate values of the lines traced out
20:25.05 morricone_ kind of modeling geometry not solids
20:25.09 morricone_ but still the same
20:25.20 ``Erik soooorta, in a solid model, ever bit of geometry has a physical presense in space and can be queried for things like mass.... qcad seems to be a 2d drafting program more than anything else
20:25.43 morricone_ i m looking for a certain function
20:25.54 ``Erik that function being?
20:26.06 morricone_ and open office org doesnt allow images to be in the chart windows
20:26.29 morricone_ laying down points on an image configured in on a coordinate plane
20:26.48 morricone_ and then extracting the geometric data in the form of x,y
20:26.56 morricone_ and inputting it into open offie
20:26.58 morricone_ office
20:26.59 morricone_ *
20:27.17 morricone_ i cant seem to find the program that will do that for me
20:27.23 ``Erik like... converting a raster image into a vector image?
20:27.31 morricone_ yes
20:27.44 morricone_ but i want the data
20:27.53 morricone_ so i can model the physics in spreadsheet
20:27.59 ``Erik that's more of a 2d manipulation, not a cad/cam/cae issue
20:28.34 morricone_ you ever heard of it being a function in an open source program list?
20:28.38 morricone_ any
20:29.02 morricone_ it is easy with AutoCAd
20:29.06 morricone_ and excel
20:29.18 morricone_ the terrible ms programs i know so well
20:29.21 ``Erik it's not a thing I follow, sorry... I know the 'sorbel' edge detection algo is simple abd public, I'd imagine it could easily be walked to find basic splines
20:29.31 ``Erik but it's just not my scene, I'm sorry
20:29.44 morricone_ no problemo
20:29.58 morricone_ i m sure resolution will occur if i presist
20:30.04 ``Erik mebbe "gimp" has a fu to make it happen
20:30.15 morricone_ i ll check that out
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20:31.03 ``Erik hopes he didn't steer that guy wrong
20:34.02 andax gimp has a smart edge detection feature, if that helps
20:34.55 ``Erik dude's gone *shrug* I only know sorbel cuz I implemented it for shits and giggles one afternoon
20:35.44 andax i dont know if it can write to .dxf files or such, anyway...
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20:50.22 alvaro how do i start brlcad when you install it from binary tar.gz ?
20:50.58 alvaro [root@alvaro-edicta-host bin]# /usr/brlcad/bin/mged
20:50.58 alvaro /usr/brlcad/bin/mged: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
20:50.58 alvaro [root@alvaro-edicta-host bin]#
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20:56.04 ``Erik means you don't have the same libc++ that it was compiled against
20:56.13 ``Erik your best bet is probably to compile it from scratch, sorry :(
20:57.10 alvaro is it difficult to compile it?
20:58.03 alvaro where are the instrucions to do it ?
21:00.00 ``Erik um, untar the source, go into the dir, do "./compile --enable all && make install" and that's it
21:00.37 alvaro seems easy ..... (too much to be true)
21:02.31 alvaro where are the sources?
21:03.19 pacman87 ~cadsvn
21:03.19 ibot To obtain BRL-CAD from Subversion: svn checkout https://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/brlcad/brlcad/trunk brlcad
21:04.03 pacman87 although you might want the latest release instead of svn
21:04.44 ``Erik same place you downloaded the binary, except it says "source" instead of "linux x86-32"
21:05.24 alvaro i think thi is: http://sourceforge.net/project/downloading.php?group_id=105292&filename=brlcad-7.14.6.tar.gz&a=28288066
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