IRC log for #brlcad on 20090515

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06:49.55 Mouette exppp.c:351: error: `sys_errlist' undeclared (first use in this function)
06:50.04 Mouette in 7.14.8
06:51.25 Mouette maybe solaris hasn't the fonction
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10:40.58 jpjacobs Hi !
10:41.54 jpjacobs I once made a ubuntu package for BRLCAD, but it isn't maintained any more, and back then it even was just a hackup, not taking into account dependancies etc.
10:44.11 jpjacobs But now I keep getting those mails as "Hey I can't install your BRLCAD package, please help". But since I'm no longer using it, Would you mind taking the package off line, and put http://jpjacobs.ulyssis.org/brlcad-7.8.4.zip instead? it's the directory structure of the debian package, and has a usefull shellscript for setting up the environnement
10:45.43 jpjacobs But at least state that I am not the package maintainer, and can't really help, unless point them through to general "how to build and install packages in ubuntu" pages.
10:45.46 jpjacobs Thanks!
12:18.14 brlcad howdy jpjacobs
12:18.36 jpjacobs howdy
12:18.46 brlcad jpjacobs: you referring to the .deb on sf.net?
12:20.30 jpjacobs I guess so... if it's the one I made :)
12:21.05 jpjacobs (btw sorry if I stop responding, the network here has troubles today...)
12:22.19 brlcad hm, that was balbir thomas
12:27.31 jpjacobs hmmm i'll see
12:29.06 brlcad so what exactly are you asking? :) .. doesn't seem like the existing 7.8.4 deb has your name (at least in the credits, cant crack the file atm)
12:30.39 brlcad maybe there's an entry in apt that references you
12:30.49 jpjacobs in apt even?
12:31.12 jpjacobs is it in apt yet? because I made the package because there was none in the repository at that moment
12:31.33 jpjacobs mmm I think i'll mail the guy who mailed me for support where he got the link...
12:31.44 brlcad i'm not sure what the current status is, it wasn't then it was approved, then rumored that it was, then wasn't, so I don't know
12:31.59 brlcad don't have a debian box accessible, and that's not something we maintain
12:33.04 brlcad either way, sounds like you deserve thanks in out contributor's file -- happen to know when you worked on it (and your full name)?
12:34.31 jpjacobs well I think it was about 3 years ago... but actually the only thing it was was a quick package without proper dependancies and stuff. The only thing I really wrote was a wrapper for Xterm that sets up an environnement as is used in the manual
12:40.59 ``Erik I know I built a debian/ directory long ago, but lost access to my debian machine... d'no ubuntu, but if a package maintainer is not keeping current, basic courtesy says that they should step aside if contacted
12:41.44 ``Erik I've been feeling remiss in my maintainership of the fbsd port, if pedro asked to retake the responsibility, I would probably cede and take on a 'mentor' roll
12:41.47 ``Erik role
12:42.19 jpjacobs I never was a package maintainer, just made it once, ugly hackup, and put it online if anybody could use it... now it's like 3 years old, and I still have mails for support (not a lot, but anyway)
12:42.21 ``Erik (also; huzzah! dude is coming to finish up on my house today!)
12:42.51 ``Erik that's 3 people looking to you as the official liazon, man :)
12:43.05 jpjacobs :)
12:43.10 jpjacobs hehe
12:43.18 ``Erik it's meritocracy, if you have the desire and the ability, then you're the guy
12:43.52 jpjacobs anyway, I give them directions to building packages in general, hand them over the wrapper script and such, but not really anything that couldn't be written on a site or wiki somewhere...
12:47.15 brlcad jpjacobs: well if you find out that the ref is somewhere on our end, I can disable it .. but not finding it -- you're probably coming up on people just searching "brl-cad on debian" or somesuch
12:47.49 jpjacobs searched myself just now, couldn't find it...
12:48.00 brlcad that that hack is still thank-worthy, if you care to be annotated
12:48.17 brlcad s/that that/and that/
12:48.46 jpjacobs well, Yea, but maybe (if we find out where it is) state that it's totally unmaintained hack from 3 years back :)
12:49.47 jpjacobs If you want you can also put the zip file with the debian directoory structure online, so anybody can plugin any compiled version, and roll their own .deb?
12:50.10 jpjacobs (how ever i don't remmember quite so well how the actual deb-making went...)
12:53.38 brlcad there's no point in posting old versions
12:53.43 brlcad especially ones that old
12:54.00 brlcad they just get disabled if there is a problem
12:54.08 brlcad the actual "problem" is that there hasn't been an update ;)
12:56.08 jpjacobs yeps... so you can put up the zip with the structure (just has the /usr/bin ... structure) it's here if you'd like it http://jpjacobs.ulyssis.org/brlcad-7.8.4.zip
12:59.38 brlcad have it, but that's not useful by itself (at least posted on sf.net with our distributions)
12:59.58 brlcad I'll just keep it handy in case someone else expresses interest in working on it
13:00.20 brlcad which actually seems to happen every few months .. but nobody takes it to completion it seems
13:00.49 jpjacobs indeed
13:00.58 jpjacobs :p
13:01.12 brlcad looks like you showed up on 20061123 ;)
13:01.33 jpjacobs :) waaaaay back :)
13:04.59 brlcad jpjacobs: can you check if the 7.8.4 .deb on sf.net is yours?
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13:05.23 brlcad https://sourceforge.net/project/downloading.php?group_id=105292&filename=brlcad-7.8.4.deb&a=36697579
13:05.38 brlcad if it is, i'll just turn it off
13:09.30 jpjacobs I'll see
13:09.45 CIA-28 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34535 10/brlcad/trunk/AUTHORS: credit jpjacobs for his work back in 20061123 where he prepared a .deb package for 7.8.4. the dist included a brlterm wrapper script that sets the PATH/MANPATH, lscolors, and provides the apt package control files.
13:10.18 jpjacobs brlcad, jeps, it lists me as maintaine
13:10.19 jpjacobs r
13:11.14 brlcad disabled
13:11.21 jpjacobs thx
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13:59.26 ``Erik interesting, hulu lets you skip past commercials now
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15:03.07 ``Erik ok, they messed something up, if you skip to the end of a show, then play it back from the start, it skips over all the ads
15:03.09 ``Erik heh
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15:18.37 CIA-28 BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r34536 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (12 files in 2 dirs): Add editing for RHC, RPC and Superell to libged and Archer.
15:34.18 brlcad ``Erik: interesting, i'll have to try that...
15:34.54 brlcad i did notice that they have a timer, it won't play a commercial if it's played one recently
15:44.29 ``Erik maybe that's what I ran into
15:44.51 ``Erik I was trying to watch an episode, wanted to see if it was fresh in my mind, so I skipped to the end, then back to the beginning
15:45.23 ``Erik in the past, when I tried to skip to the end, it brought me straight to the next scheduled ad, so I found this behavior... intriguing :)
15:46.11 ``Erik (I don't mind the advertisements... they're far fewer than cable tv, and don't have the volume issue)
15:46.25 brlcad fancast does that
15:46.31 brlcad very annoying
15:46.36 ``Erik does which now? the volume issue?
15:46.51 brlcad jump to mid-show and it'll play all the ads in-betwee
15:47.04 ``Erik ah, hulu used to do that
15:47.13 ``Erik even that's ok with me, though... the volume thing is what pisses me off
15:47.36 ``Erik I mean, I have to turn the volume up for the show, and when a commercial hits, it's 4x the volume, wtf
15:47.37 brlcad hm, no volume issue for me
15:47.58 ``Erik different channels have different "preferred" volumes as well
15:48.04 ``Erik :/
15:48.38 CIA-28 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34537 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: bob continues onward on the archer interactive editing support, adding support for rhc, rpc, superell in addition to epa, part. just annotate them as 'most primitives' since he'll undoubtedly add more still
15:48.47 ``Erik 'fox' has to go down to -40, comedy central and cartoon network are -24
15:49.50 brlcad that's pretty odd
15:49.54 ``Erik probably should not have bought a 600 watt home theater system O:-)
15:50.11 brlcad really can't say I've really noticed and that's watching 4 or 5 channels
15:50.18 brlcad maybe your flash needs upgrading :)
15:50.25 ``Erik heh, possibly
15:50.35 ``Erik I've noticed a lot of service degredation
15:50.38 brlcad or quicktime or whatever all it goes through
15:50.46 ``Erik like the 'on demand' channel now hangs indefinitely
15:51.04 brlcad oh, for the comcast box?
15:51.24 ``Erik I pulled it up one night, got the 'loading data; please wait' screen, left the box on overnight, it was still tehre in the morning
15:51.34 brlcad yeah, mine never worked .. I called them 3 or 4 times for it, they'd send a reset signal, it'd work for one day then be busted again
15:52.11 ``Erik I'm starting to think d-lo's idea of "cancel cable, it's all online" might be a brilliant avenue
15:52.16 brlcad it was 50/50 if I cold cycled the box
15:52.35 brlcad that's my route now :)
15:52.38 ``Erik no, this has been dead for many months, and I do a full rebooted pretty much daily
15:52.40 brlcad works great
15:53.01 ``Erik the cable box goes off when I turn off the tv and amp
15:53.15 brlcad the thing has a cmos iirc, has to stay unplugged for 1min to reset or something iirc
15:53.28 brlcad ah, k
15:53.31 ``Erik it's been down with power outages, and I unplug it all when I leave town
15:54.27 ``Erik oh, uh, *prod* machine migration, still in the queue?
15:54.56 ``Erik noticed that the old machine is cooked up an awful lot on apache looking for locks
15:55.16 ``Erik 30% cpu utilization but reading 3.0 load due to buttloads of lockd and select
15:55.28 ``Erik might be failing fs issues
15:55.32 ``Erik or bad code
15:55.45 brlcad part of it is bad top reporting
15:56.00 brlcad cpu stats are jacked in that version
15:57.52 ``Erik a lot is jacked in that version, it was a zomfg hack release to cover some ugly mistakes
15:58.28 ``Erik I don't think the 5 series was sane until 5.4, and everyone who was doing critical work was off on 6 when 5.2.1 came out
15:58.48 ``Erik now it's 7.2
15:59.08 ``Erik (6 was a bit of a stinker as well, but 7 seems back to the quality 4 had)
16:02.06 ``Erik *shrug* personally, I want to bring them to pace to get a modern sbcl set up behind modproxy :) port atrophy is my concern
16:02.27 ``Erik if you run sudo portaudit -Fda, ... there's an awful lot of... issue
16:04.45 brlcad nods
16:06.03 ``Erik I tried to put that output into a weekly cron email, I don't think I did it right though :)
16:06.25 ``Erik I'm sure you saw the sudo's
16:09.28 brlcad probably saw them, but not ringing a bell at the moment
16:09.34 brlcad but mind is off in libged land atm
16:53.27 CIA-28 BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r34538 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/make.c: Added hyp to the result given when -t is specified.
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18:01.48 CIA-28 BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r34539 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/ (scale_rhc.c scale_rpc.c scale_superell.c): Add editing for RHC, RPC and Superell to libged and Archer.
18:33.44 CIA-28 BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r34540 10/brlcad/trunk/include/common.h: HAVE_DRAND48 does only make sense with a config.h
19:00.08 CIA-28 BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r34541 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/scale_tor.c: Constrain the scaling.
19:23.59 CIA-28 BRL-CAD: 03JamesVasile 07http://brlcad.org * r1443 10/wiki/Compiling: Added build instructions specific to debian/ubuntu
19:24.45 CIA-28 BRL-CAD: 03JamesVasile 07http://brlcad.org * r1444 10/wiki/Main_Page: Added link to Compiling page
19:35.25 ``Erik <PROTECTED>
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21:12.15 CIA-28 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34542 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/README.Linux: Add note about 64 building on Linux platforms
23:46.59 dreeves__ ,m,.
23:48.21 dreeves__ brlcad saw your comments and the patch I will take a look soon I have been very tied up on a project not much time. soon hopefully

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