| 01:01.31 | mike111 | hi all |
| 01:02.12 | Ralith | hello |
| 01:02.21 | mike111 | hi Ralith. |
| 01:02.36 | Ralith | 05:17:14 < brlcad> the 'area' command gives projected/presented area, but just a rough approximation -- rtarea is the tool to use |
| 01:02.39 | Ralith | 05:20:17 < ``Erik> totally awesome, I've gotten, like, NO mail at bz, but this morning, I get spam there. yayyyy |
| 01:02.42 | Ralith | 05:20:33 < brlcad> he gets the bu_log write error because rtarea is async and mged terminates before rtarea finishes, yet it can't display the results because mged is gone |
| 01:03.00 | Ralith | mike111: see above. |
| 01:03.02 | mike111 | Thanks, saw that when I just checked the log. |
| 01:03.21 | mike111 | any solution? I need to save the rtarea output into a file. |
| 01:04.06 | Ralith | solution to what? |
| 01:04.39 | mike111 | I'm trying to run rtarea from the commandline using mged -c new.g "Z;E s1.r;top;rtarea" |
| 01:04.55 | mike111 | but getting bu_log: write error |
| 01:05.03 | mike111 | that's the async thing brlcad mentioned. |
| 01:05.15 | Ralith | mike111: you're hitting the exact same problem he mentioned, too. |
| 01:05.20 | Ralith | don't use mged. |
| 01:05.21 | Ralith | use rtarea. |
| 01:06.12 | mike111 | but how do I set the correct view without mged? rtarea calculates the area of `projected/presented area', that is, you need to set the direction from which you view the object. |
| 01:06.40 | Ralith | play with it and find out? |
| 01:06.59 | Ralith | wait for someone who knows? |
| 01:07.00 | mike111 | man rtarea doesn't say anything about setting the view angle. |
| 01:07.15 | Ralith | that's why I said "play with it", rather than "read the manpage." |
| 01:07.21 | mike111 | that's why I'm on the channel again today ;) |
| 01:07.35 | Ralith | I suggest playing with it while waiting. |
| 01:08.49 | mike111 | do you know what's the difference between arced and oed? |
| 01:09.01 | Ralith | nope |
| 01:09.05 | Ralith | mged's help command might. |
| 01:09.17 | mike111 | Wasn't clear to me from reading the manual. |
| 01:09.30 | mike111 | seems like I can modify an object's attribute with either. |
| 01:09.37 | starseeker | mike111: you might try saveview inside mged and editing the generated script to call rtarea rather than rt |
| 01:10.16 | Ralith | perhaps rtarea accepts the same options as rt? |
| 01:10.26 | Ralith | much in the way that X apps tend to all accept the same X options? |
| 01:11.24 | starseeker | appears to |
| 01:11.37 | Ralith | mike111: then, see man rt for how to set the view. |
| 01:12.20 | starseeker | tried it, and it looks like it worked: set up the desired view in mged, type saveview script.sh, edit script.sh to call rtarea rather than rt (probably want to delete the -o line and the redirect to a log, unless you want the rtarea output in a log file) |
| 01:13.19 | mike111 | thanks Ralith and starseeker :) will try that |
| 01:14.29 | mike111 | rtarea isn't an mged command so it's not in vol.II. Is there a manual for all such non-mged commands or at least a list of such commands? |
| 01:15.16 | Ralith | ls /path/to/brlcad/bin |
| 01:15.21 | Ralith | :P |
| 01:15.59 | starseeker | mike111: our documentation is far from comprehensive - first thing to try is brlman commandname |
| 01:18.07 | starseeker | Ralith: probably adding a screenshot of the g3d window with the knot to your log - the wiki does support images, IIRC |
| 01:18.38 | Ralith | starseeker: you mean, I probably should? |
| 01:18.46 | Ralith | yeah, sounds like a good idea |
| 01:18.53 | Ralith | needs to sit down for half an hour at some point and bring his log up to date |
| 01:23.53 | starseeker | glares at g-vrml, g-stl, and friends |
| 01:24.03 | starseeker | or more specifically, the tesselation routines behind them |
| 01:37.14 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35275 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/opennurbs_ext.cpp: Tweak the isFlat comments |
| 01:42.10 | mike111 | is there a way to find the surface area of an object and not the area of a projection? |
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| 02:06.37 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35276 10/brlcad/trunk/ (7 files in 3 dirs): OK, enough of the benefits of the cleanup code are in the 'real' code that the cleanup code can be removed - flesh out the comments for subdivision and remove the cleanup files. |
| 02:06.37 | brlcad | mike111: no, not presently, at least not a good way that doesn't involve heavy scripting/coding |
| 02:07.25 | mike111 | the manual (Vol.II) mentions `analyze' but it only applies to arbs? |
| 02:07.34 | brlcad | right |
| 02:08.01 | mike111 | will `analyze' work on an ars? |
| 02:09.06 | brlcad | mike111: to run rtarea like you wanted, instead of running it inside mged, instead run "saveview -e rtarea whatever.rt" in mged, and then run ./whatever.rt |
| 02:09.16 | brlcad | no, analyze only works on arb8s |
| 02:10.19 | mike111 | thanks for the rtarea tip. I'm now playing with a bash scripting to change a `saveview' script. |
| 02:10.52 | brlcad | "help saveview" has a few other options |
| 02:11.00 | brlcad | for logging output, inputs, etc |
| 02:11.13 | mike111 | will check that. |
| 02:11.15 | mike111 | what's the difference between arced and oed? |
| 02:11.44 | brlcad | you want to use oed and not arced ;) |
| 02:12.11 | brlcad | arced is an old command intended for animation manipulation/articulation |
| 02:12.20 | mike111 | I read the manual about oed but Vol.II mentions arced which seems to do same. |
| 02:12.40 | mike111 | OK. It's oed then ;) |
| 02:12.44 | brlcad | huh, a bit surprised vol II would mention it.. |
| 02:13.13 | brlcad | i mean it'll do the trick, but oed is really the one to use -- whole tutorial on the site dedicated to explaining just that command in detail with lots of example |
| 02:13.47 | mike111 | arced is in p.157-158 |
| 02:14.02 | mike111 | that's the manual I read. easy to follow. |
| 02:27.02 | starseeker | oed doc is here: http://brlcad.org/w/images/3/36/Object_Editing_-_the_oed_Command.pdf |
| 02:29.49 | mike111 | starseeker: thanks, that's the manual I mentioned above. |
| 02:30.58 | starseeker | makes a stab at playing with C++ list push_back options and makes things worse... yech |
| 02:31.27 | starseeker | ok, better to get some sleep and try with > 0.5 of brain tomorrow |
| 02:34.52 | Ralith | nite! |
| 02:39.47 | brlcad | Ralith: starseeker: all the rt* apps accept the same options as 'rt' -- if they have specialized options, they're '-c"set VAR=value"' options (man rtedge for examples) |
| 02:40.00 | Ralith | cool, suspected as much |
| 02:40.04 | Ralith | that explains the sparse manpage |
| 02:40.30 | brlcad | also why saveview has a -e option, to specify another rt to exec instead |
| 02:42.12 | Ralith | cool! |
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| 13:22.06 | rnkv2 | hi |
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| 14:08.49 | brlcad | hello rnkv2 |
| 14:08.52 | rnkv2 | could you help me with this problem: http://pastebin.com/m6f3d1b53 (it is the end of my compilation log) |
| 14:09.07 | brlcad | can't get to pastebin.com |
| 14:09.10 | brlcad | ~bzpaste |
| 14:09.30 | brlcad | use, http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/ instead please |
| 14:09.38 | rnkv2 | sure |
| 14:09.46 | brlcad | ~bzpaste is http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/ |
| 14:09.46 | ibot | brlcad: okay |
| 14:10.32 | louipc | rnkv2: looks like you need mesa |
| 14:11.12 | rnkv2 | brlcad, it messed up, give me a moment please |
| 14:11.29 | rnkv2 | (checking if i have mesa) |
| 14:12.15 | rnkv2 | mesa-7.3-r1 here |
| 14:12.23 | louipc | debian/ubuntu? |
| 14:13.28 | louipc | may need mesa-dev then. Hmm I don't know what version is needed though. I have 7.5 |
| 14:14.05 | rnkv2 | gentoo here |
| 14:14.17 | rnkv2 | media-libs/mesa-7.3-r1 exactly |
| 14:14.37 | rnkv2 | ok, i will check for newest |
| 14:15.05 | louipc | check if you have those functions |
| 14:15.34 | rnkv2 | could you provide ma hint how should i do that? |
| 14:16.00 | louipc | maybe `man glDeleteLists` |
| 14:16.41 | louipc | that only says if you have the man page though hehe |
| 14:16.54 | rnkv2 | the same here :) |
| 14:21.08 | louipc | rnkv2: it's there yeah? |
| 14:21.24 | rnkv2 | brlcad, here you go: http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m25df21 |
| 14:21.53 | rnkv2 | no, it says that there is no such man page :( |
| 14:21.54 | louipc | yeah try updating to latest version, post your full log |
| 14:22.16 | louipc | rnkv2: oh ok. that might be a bad sign |
| 14:22.26 | louipc | rnkv2: you don't have -docs USEFLAG do you? |
| 14:22.42 | rnkv2 | i think i don't have |
| 14:22.59 | louipc | ok |
| 14:23.52 | louipc | hmm mesa 7.3 isn't that old |
| 14:24.13 | rnkv2 | i have 'doc' flag in system and it's switched of globaly |
| 14:24.21 | rnkv2 | off* |
| 14:25.54 | rnkv2 | btw what is the difference between http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/ and http://pastebin.com ? |
| 14:26.36 | louipc | I guess brlcad's company doesn't let him visit pastebin.com |
| 14:27.16 | rnkv2 | thanks for explaining |
| 14:27.18 | louipc | pastebin.com can get kind of slow though |
| 14:35.45 | rnkv2 | what about libdrm? which version is needed? |
| 14:35.56 | rnkv2 | mine is libdrm-2.4.5 |
| 14:36.46 | louipc | hmm no idea |
| 14:37.26 | rnkv2 | ok, installing media-libs/mesa-7.5-r2 |
| 14:37.55 | rnkv2 | and libdrm-2.4.12 as dependency |
| 14:38.36 | louipc | hehe that's what I have |
| 14:39.12 | louipc | do you have libgl? |
| 14:41.57 | rnkv2 | still checking... |
| 14:43.52 | rnkv2 | louipc, with which ebuild it comes? |
| 14:45.23 | rnkv2 | mesa compiled, trying to compile brl-cad |
| 14:46.45 | louipc | rnkv2: not sure. `locate libGL.so` |
| 14:48.16 | rnkv2 | usr/lib/libGL.so |
| 14:48.18 | rnkv2 | /usr/lib/opengl/xorg-x11/lib/libGL.so |
| 14:48.19 | rnkv2 | /usr/lib/opengl/xorg-x11/lib/libGL.so.1 |
| 14:48.21 | rnkv2 | /usr/lib/opengl/xorg-x11/lib/libGL.so.1.2 |
| 14:48.22 | rnkv2 | /usr/lib/opengl/nvidia/lib/libGL.so.96.43.11 |
| 14:48.24 | rnkv2 | /usr/lib/opengl/nvidia/lib/libGL.so |
| 14:48.25 | rnkv2 | /usr/lib/opengl/nvidia/lib/libGL.so.1 |
| 14:51.42 | rnkv2 | my brlcad configuration: http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/d24c9bd9f |
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| 15:20.44 | rnkv2 | with new mesa and libdrm i got exactly the same error |
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| 16:37.33 | rnkv2 | ok, next approach - I recompiled xorg-server and nvidia-drivers |
| 16:38.04 | rnkv2 | compling brlcad |
| 17:23.40 | rnkv2 | still the same error |
| 17:28.34 | jdoliner | sry I missed your original msg where you said what the error was |
| 17:28.38 | jdoliner | ming repeating? |
| 17:29.00 | rnkv2 | sure, let me paste it again |
| 17:29.17 | rnkv2 | here it is: http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m25df21 |
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| 17:31.15 | rnkv2 | jdoliner, any idea what is wrong? |
| 17:32.19 | jdoliner | did autogen and configure work w/o a hitch? |
| 17:33.42 | rnkv2 | tail of my brl-cad configuration: http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/d24c9bd9f |
| 17:33.58 | rnkv2 | what do you mean by w/o ? |
| 17:34.03 | jdoliner | without |
| 17:34.27 | rnkv2 | there was some warnings |
| 17:35.07 | rnkv2 | do you want me to place it all on pastebin? |
| 17:35.40 | jdoliner | yeah if you don't mind |
| 17:35.51 | rnkv2 | sure, please wait |
| 17:38.28 | jdoliner | okay I think you're missing a library |
| 17:38.32 | jdoliner | let me figure out which one it is |
| 17:39.15 | jdoliner | what do you have in the way of opengl? |
| 17:39.48 | rnkv2 | could you rephrase it? |
| 17:41.51 | jdoliner | are you using linux? |
| 17:42.08 | rnkv2 | jdoliner, i'm not native english speaker and I don't get the 'in the way of' phrase |
| 17:42.09 | jdoliner | that's not a rephrasing |
| 17:42.16 | rnkv2 | yes, i'm using gentoo |
| 17:42.38 | jdoliner | k |
| 17:43.41 | jdoliner | do the command: `glxinfo' |
| 17:43.41 | jdoliner | and paste me to output |
| 17:45.08 | rnkv2 | here you go: http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m6439682e\ |
| 17:45.15 | rnkv2 | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m6439682e |
| 17:47.37 | rnkv2 | and here is a complete configuration log http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m6a8a8c0f (I added all warnings at the end) |
| 17:54.50 | jdoliner | okay it looks like you're missing your gl C bindings |
| 17:55.55 | jdoliner | line 411: |
| 17:55.56 | jdoliner | checking for OpenGL library availability... no |
| 17:56.32 | rnkv2 | any idea how I make repair that? |
| 17:56.40 | jdoliner | yeah you need to get mesa |
| 17:56.49 | jdoliner | is I think the best solution |
| 17:57.07 | jdoliner | i'm just checking exactly what it is I have here |
| 17:57.12 | rnkv2 | i updated today to media-libs/mesa-7.5-r2 |
| 17:57.33 | rnkv2 | and still there is a problem |
| 17:58.44 | jdoliner | hmm |
| 17:59.16 | rnkv2 | i recompiled after that xorg-server and nvidia-drivers |
| 18:00.13 | jdoliner | well I'll keep looking but let's get sean in here because he know more than me |
| 18:00.20 | jdoliner | brlcad |
| 18:00.31 | jdoliner | are you around someone could use your help |
| 18:13.08 | rnkv2 | brb |
| 18:13.16 | rnkv2 | reboot |
| 18:13.49 | jdoliner | k |
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| 18:17.31 | rnkv2 | back |
| 18:19.41 | jdoliner | im kind of out of ideas |
| 18:19.50 | jdoliner | sean will be able to help you for sure |
| 18:21.23 | rnkv2 | thanks jdoliner :) |
| 18:23.02 | rnkv2 | i rebooted and now there is now problem about nvidia in glxinfo |
| 18:24.03 | rnkv2 | i cannot wait to see how this software is working :) |
| 18:28.34 | brlcad | rnkv2: you don't need opengl, what's the issue? |
| 18:28.58 | brlcad | it'll work fine with just X11 bindings |
| 18:29.14 | rnkv2 | still the same error, i cannot finish compilation |
| 18:29.57 | brlcad | what's the error? |
| 18:30.44 | brlcad | the gl errors? |
| 18:30.46 | rnkv2 | brlcad, http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m25df21 |
| 18:30.57 | brlcad | yeah, is this an svn build? |
| 18:31.03 | rnkv2 | yes |
| 18:31.10 | brlcad | are you up to date? |
| 18:31.28 | brlcad | svn up |
| 18:31.29 | rnkv2 | i downloaded it yesterday morning |
| 18:31.57 | brlcad | that doesn't answer the question :) |
| 18:32.08 | brlcad | except hint at "probably not" ;) |
| 18:32.47 | rnkv2 | brlcad, so what are you suggesting? svn export https://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/brlcad/brlcad/trunk source ? |
| 18:33.09 | brlcad | did you export the first time or checkout? |
| 18:33.16 | rnkv2 | export |
| 18:33.19 | brlcad | ah, you shouldn't export |
| 18:33.24 | brlcad | not if you're pulling trunk |
| 18:33.33 | brlcad | one of our new display managers was left enabled for a few hours yesterday, which uses opengl |
| 18:33.45 | brlcad | if you'd just done a checkout, you could now "svn up" and it'd work |
| 18:33.52 | brlcad | now you can checkout again, though |
| 18:34.15 | rnkv2 | ok, i will checkout it |
| 18:53.35 | rnkv2 | now configuring and compiling |
| 19:02.11 | brlcad | suggest --enable-all |
| 19:02.15 | brlcad | but not critical |
| 19:03.03 | rnkv2 | if current compilation would not work then i will try it |
| 19:03.35 | rnkv2 | thank you for helping :) |
| 19:07.54 | brlcad | np |
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| 19:13.45 | brlcad | howdy pacman87 |
| 19:13.54 | brlcad | how goes school? settling in? |
| 19:36.01 | rnkv2 | brlcad, the compilation was successful :) i've got only an error when i tried to install- 'make install' wants to install some components at /usr/lib/ (like for example /usr/lib/Tkhtml3.0) - is there a way to install everything in user space (/home/brlcad) ? |
| 20:12.54 | starseeker | rnkv2: tkhtml3 is a bit of a problem child in that respect |
| 20:13.33 | starseeker | on some platforms it seems those makefiles insist on /usr/lib |
| 20:14.19 | rnkv2 | i set now ./configure --prefix=/home/brlcad/usr --exec-prefix=/home/brlcad so we will see what it will bring |
| 20:14.42 | brlcad | did you set prefix the first time? |
| 20:14.57 | rnkv2 | only --prefix=/home/brlcad/usr |
| 20:15.39 | brlcad | then shouldn't exec-prefix be /home/brlcad/bin already? :) |
| 20:15.55 | brlcad | you'll probably have better luck just editing the Tkhtml Makefile |
| 20:16.41 | brlcad | src/other/tkhtml3/Makefile and src/other/tkhtml3/src/Makefile .. see if there's a /usr/ or /usr/lib reference in there |
| 20:17.01 | rnkv2 | there was created /home/brlcad/usr/bin, /home/brlcad/usr/lib etc with the first configuration |
| 20:17.13 | rnkv2 | sure, thanks for hints |
| 20:20.01 | rnkv2 | i run some other projects in user spaces and it's really convenient when you need to debug it or clear and try again, and it's also more secure when the software is working online |
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| 20:24.26 | brlcad | rnkv2: we actually default install isolated into /usr/brlcad |
| 20:24.31 | brlcad | for that same reason |
| 20:25.11 | brlcad | the /usr/lib thing is just a tkhtml build file bug of some sort |
| 20:26.33 | rnkv2 | brlcad, but how someone may easily uninstall brl-cad from /usr/brlcad (and eventual other parts of system) ? |
| 20:39.44 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03n_reed * r35279 10/brlcad/trunk/ (include/vmath.h src/libdm/dm-rtgl.c): adjusted z-clipping when using z-buffer |
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| 21:14.30 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03Ebautu 07http://brlcad.org * r1579 10/wiki/More_Changelog: July 24 |
| 21:15.32 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03Ebautu 07http://brlcad.org * r1580 10/wiki/More_Changelog: /* July 7 - Today */ |
| 21:21.34 | rnkv2 | brlcad, it seams that './configure --prefix=/home/brlcad/usr --exec-prefix=/home/brlcad' did the job. I haven't noticed problems with tkhtml3 |
| 21:21.53 | rnkv2 | i was able to lunch brl-cad |
| 21:21.56 | rnkv2 | :) |
| 21:23.53 | rnkv2 | thanks for all the help you all :) |
| 22:42.51 | *** join/#brlcad BigAToo (n=BigAToo@pool-96-230-124-27.sbndin.btas.verizon.net) | |
| 23:11.18 | *** part/#brlcad rnkv2 (n=rnkv2@adqp209.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) | |