| 00:02.46 | ``Erik | probably |
| 00:03.00 | ``Erik | pulls up source and kinda hopes someone who knows more than he does answers before he gets too far into it... :D |
| 00:07.11 | ``Erik | (CTJ .. is that... paladin?) |
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| 00:08.49 | ``Erik | hrm, too much name overlap, makes grep tricky :( |
| 00:13.13 | Yoshi477 | does rtcheck make shapes? |
| 00:13.31 | Yoshi477 | soemthing keeps making copies of shapes with _01 |
| 00:14.13 | Yoshi477 | or does oed cause that? |
| 00:15.12 | ``Erik | rtcheck shouldn't alter anything, oed shouldn't generate anything new if you don't ask it to, I think? |
| 00:15.16 | ``Erik | <-- doesn't know the gui... :D |
| 00:15.31 | Yoshi477 | this is command line stuff |
| 00:15.50 | ``Erik | I see where the display list is held, now to see if there's something to walk it and return it as a string... O.o heh |
| 00:16.10 | ``Erik | um, I don't know much about mged.... if you wanna talk rt or something, or library stuff, I'm there... :D |
| 00:16.22 | Yoshi477 | ah ok |
| 00:16.53 | Yoshi477 | backend coder, i wish sometimes i could be one, and others not so much |
| 00:18.10 | ``Erik | I suppose 'backend' is one way to refer to what I do... I kinda think of myself as more of a system developer... :D closer to the hardware than the user interface... I get my jollies when I get to poke at operating system kernel code :D |
| 00:19.13 | ``Erik | I'm not seeing anything that looks like a command to print the display list :/ but I might just be missing it |
| 00:20.20 | ``Erik | ah, wait, looks like there's a duplicate list held in tcl |
| 00:21.07 | ``Erik | hrmph. mged isn't working on my laptop here :( |
| 00:21.20 | Yoshi477 | what! |
| 00:21.26 | Yoshi477 | you should be ashamed! |
| 00:21.32 | ``Erik | but the 'Display' tcl class has a method called "contents" that might be what you're looking for |
| 00:21.40 | Yoshi477 | ok i'll try |
| 00:21.48 | Yoshi477 | invalid |
| 00:21.56 | Yoshi477 | or is it ls contents |
| 00:21.59 | ``Erik | you have to refer to the instance of display |
| 00:22.20 | Yoshi477 | and how my i pretell do that? |
| 00:23.08 | ``Erik | still looking |
| 00:23.21 | ``Erik | jabs brlcad or starseeker with something pointy to see if they know |
| 00:24.28 | ``Erik | meh, there're like 3 definitions of 'display list' that confuse things heh :( |
| 00:24.44 | brlcad | 'who' shows what is currently drawn |
| 00:24.47 | Yoshi477 | well i cause patience plays in here |
| 00:24.54 | Yoshi477 | oh |
| 00:25.22 | Yoshi477 | what about the individual prims? |
| 00:25.53 | ``Erik | those'd be the things in the display lists |
| 00:28.45 | brlcad | Yoshi477: curious that you'd want or need to know the individual prims |
| 00:28.50 | brlcad | but you can find those with search |
| 00:28.56 | Yoshi477 | is there a command to like where used? so enter prim and you get what assemblies it is used in? |
| 00:28.57 | brlcad | search whatever -not -type c |
| 00:29.11 | ``Erik | brlcad: ones in the active display list? |
| 00:29.40 | brlcad | dbfind locates uses |
| 00:30.54 | ``Erik | (I see where src/tclscripts/lib/Display.tcl defines a "contents" method in the Display class, how do you invoke that from inside of mged?) |
| 00:31.05 | Yoshi477 | likes dbfind |
| 00:37.14 | brlcad | ``Erik: tclscripts/lib/* is archer guts |
| 00:37.35 | ``Erik | ohhhhhh, ok |
| 00:37.36 | brlcad | or at least old archer guts, some might not be active any longer |
| 00:37.46 | ``Erik | I saw some in libged and some in tclscripts |
| 00:37.48 | brlcad | tclscripts/mged is mged guttage |
| 00:38.18 | ``Erik | (dead code culling might be a good offsite, too) |
| 00:38.48 | brlcad | it's not used by us, but is used by s2 |
| 00:39.05 | brlcad | or at least *might* not be by us, but definitely by them |
| 00:39.05 | Yoshi477 | s2? |
| 00:39.23 | brlcad | Yoshi477: one of various software projects that links against brl-cad libs |
| 00:39.36 | Yoshi477 | opensource? |
| 00:39.40 | brlcad | nope |
| 00:39.43 | Yoshi477 | ah |
| 00:39.47 | brlcad | there are lots of analysis codes that use br-cad |
| 00:39.50 | Yoshi477 | can i ask what it does |
| 00:40.07 | Yoshi477 | mainly? |
| 00:40.25 | ``Erik | chews up cpu and keeps button mashers employed |
| 00:40.41 | brlcad | it calculates vulnerability and lethality by performing high-energy ballistic penetration simulations |
| 00:40.51 | Yoshi477 | cool |
| 00:41.10 | Yoshi477 | so how many hours a day do you code for brlcad? |
| 00:41.17 | brlcad | 24? :) |
| 00:41.25 | brlcad | okay, 18 |
| 00:41.30 | Yoshi477 | really? |
| 00:41.35 | brlcad | gotta eat n' sleep some to sustain |
| 00:41.45 | Yoshi477 | 18? |
| 00:41.50 | Yoshi477 | you get paid 18 too! |
| 00:42.09 | ``Erik | bullshit, you code bzflag, too |
| 00:42.11 | ``Erik | :D |
| 00:42.11 | brlcad | it fluctuates |
| 00:42.28 | brlcad | yeah, not just brl-cad, a few other open source projects too |
| 00:42.34 | ``Erik | is libirc dead? heh |
| 00:42.36 | Yoshi477 | i played bzflag for about a week 2 years ago |
| 00:42.44 | brlcad | ``Erik: nope, it's just "done" for now |
| 00:43.03 | ``Erik | aight, haven't heard of it being used and commits seem very infrequent |
| 00:43.04 | Yoshi477 | so the army pays you for every hour you put in? |
| 00:43.15 | brlcad | heck no |
| 00:43.26 | Yoshi477 | anything? |
| 00:43.36 | ``Erik | the paperwork to bill more than 80 hours a fortnight would be insane |
| 00:43.38 | ``Erik | :D |
| 00:46.04 | ``Erik | never underestimate the insanity of gov't bureaucracy O.o |
| 00:46.27 | ``Erik | the trick is to do what you wanna do and figure out how to get someone to pay you for it |
| 00:46.38 | brlcad | Yoshi477: when one enjoys what they do, it doesn't really matter much |
| 00:46.50 | Yoshi477 | true |
| 00:47.48 | ``Erik | (have I mentioned that I hate gui coding lately?) |
| 00:47.54 | Yoshi477 | nope |
| 00:48.20 | Yoshi477 | i love gui coding, if i can do it? need lots of training for my small mind |
| 00:48.32 | ``Erik | heh, sure, do ya do mac stuff? |
| 00:48.40 | ``Erik | I have a side project that I think needs a gui |
| 00:48.47 | ``Erik | :D |
| 00:48.51 | Yoshi477 | nope don't have a mac just linux |
| 00:48.53 | ``Erik | hrm |
| 00:49.02 | Yoshi477 | know some qt stuff but not much |
| 00:49.10 | Yoshi477 | some xul stuff |
| 00:49.12 | ``Erik | I happen to have qt installed on my mac |
| 00:49.41 | Yoshi477 | whats the side pro? |
| 00:50.04 | ``Erik | um, ya familiar with internet radio? shoutcast/icecast stuff? |
| 00:50.18 | Yoshi477 | not much but i know what it is |
| 00:50.24 | Yoshi477 | never use it |
| 00:50.36 | ``Erik | I want a decent source client that I can modify |
| 00:50.45 | Yoshi477 | ah |
| 00:50.54 | ``Erik | 'muse' is a piece of shit (linux app with a halfassed carbon addon), nicecast is closed source |
| 00:51.11 | ``Erik | and those're pretty much the only two that work on the mac :/ |
| 00:51.16 | Yoshi477 | ah |
| 00:51.29 | Yoshi477 | so you need to find a qt one |
| 00:51.43 | ``Erik | well, I'd prefer cocoa, but *shrug* |
| 00:51.58 | ``Erik | I was running around the office looking for a cocoa book yesterday heh |
| 00:53.07 | ``Erik | but qt has a native osX port, iirc, so I can't hate on it too much, even if it's c++ |
| 00:53.15 | ``Erik | gtk+ requires X :( |
| 00:53.31 | Yoshi477 | you like gtk better then qt? |
| 00:53.38 | ``Erik | code wise, yes |
| 00:53.44 | Yoshi477 | main reason... |
| 00:53.52 | ``Erik | I went from loving c++ to hating it in '96 or so |
| 00:54.10 | Yoshi477 | what did you replace it with? |
| 00:54.11 | ``Erik | it's ugly, excessively verbose, ambiguous, ... (or was in 96 or so...) |
| 00:54.12 | ``Erik | C |
| 00:54.27 | Yoshi477 | oh even more low level |
| 00:54.45 | ``Erik | I can cope with things like function pointers and "advanced" cpp macros... |
| 00:54.50 | ``Erik | hm, I'd disagree |
| 00:55.01 | Yoshi477 | oh ok |
| 00:55.15 | Yoshi477 | i wouldn't know just had basic tutorials on both of them |
| 00:55.43 | ``Erik | c++ was dandy if you have to deal with mediocre developers on the team... java takes that role now... if you have a group of competent folk, c++ and java just get in the way, imnsho :) |
| 00:55.50 | Yoshi477 | got my level 1 c++ in college thats about it |
| 00:56.11 | ``Erik | *sing* anything you can do, I can do better... :D |
| 00:56.33 | ``Erik | (early c++ was actually a macro package for C, iirc) |
| 00:56.42 | ``Erik | called "c with classes" or something |
| 00:56.56 | ``Erik | alan kay has an interesting rant on the subject :) |
| 00:57.26 | Yoshi477 | ya i knew that, |
| 00:57.28 | ``Erik | (he 'invented' object oriented... his observation is that bjarne missed the point) |
| 00:57.46 | Yoshi477 | oh well i don't get that stuff that much anyways my head hurts anytime i go into it deep |
| 00:57.48 | ``Erik | objc is sexy is a strange way, though |
| 00:58.06 | ``Erik | I'm annoyed at the inability to collapse messages, though |
| 00:58.25 | Yoshi477 | see i don't even get that! |
| 00:58.51 | ``Erik | -(void)alpha; -(void)beta:(int)i; ... I should be able to [obj alph beta:10] in my mind, but I have to [obj alpha]; [obj beta:10]; |
| 00:59.03 | ``Erik | know whut ah mean, vern? |
| 00:59.06 | Yoshi477 | ya you lost me |
| 00:59.20 | Yoshi477 | way beyond my comprehension |
| 00:59.26 | ``Erik | um, message based OO systems .. :) smalltalk ftw |
| 00:59.56 | ``Erik | [obj method]; is the objC version of obj.method(); |
| 01:00.30 | ``Erik | (vs the CLOS "(method obj)") |
| 01:01.21 | ``Erik | yes, I'm a language nerd... this is the stuff that interests me, gui's are unfun :D *duck* |
| 01:01.26 | Yoshi477 | see you lost me since i haven't use c++ qt since the spring and 2 years before that, i goes out of my mind fast, but im fine with that, got to learn brlcad and then when im done designing my CNC i can continue with FANO |
| 01:01.47 | Yoshi477 | FaNO |
| 01:02.26 | ``Erik | fano? |
| 01:02.43 | ``Erik | an overloaded word according to the almighty g00g |
| 01:03.07 | ``Erik | a guitar company, a town in italy, a district in austria, ... |
| 01:03.15 | Yoshi477 | Food and Nutritional Organizer |
| 01:03.36 | Yoshi477 | something like fitday |
| 01:03.45 | Yoshi477 | but cross platform |
| 01:03.53 | Yoshi477 | and ability to export stuff! |
| 01:04.28 | ``Erik | hum |
| 01:04.41 | ``Erik | similar to http://nut.sf.net ? |
| 01:05.24 | ``Erik | cli, but works on *nix and dos |
| 01:06.09 | ``Erik | has been learning common lisp and 'ucw' (and ajax, javascript, css, etc) with the intent of making a web variant |
| 01:06.14 | Yoshi477 | ya, but mine has recipe manager built in |
| 01:06.28 | ``Erik | heh |
| 01:06.30 | ``Erik | amusing |
| 01:06.33 | Yoshi477 | and mine a GUI(qt) |
| 01:06.52 | ``Erik | <-- thinks he had pretty much the same idea, but decided web was better as a user interface layer |
| 01:07.01 | Yoshi477 | mainly going to have recipe first(doesn't suit name at first but it will) |
| 01:07.20 | ``Erik | they say great minds think alike, I guess the correlary is that feeble ones do, as well ;) |
| 01:08.15 | ``Erik | I did a fair bit of whiteboard work to come up with ways to come up with targetted recipe recommendation lists based on what ingredients you have available, what your nutritional requirements are, and what your personal preferences are |
| 01:08.44 | ``Erik | (and trying to figure out how to maintain a 'pantry' database without being invasive or difficult) |
| 01:09.13 | ``Erik | oohhhhhhh, I saw this on hn a bit ago... http://recipepuppy.com/ neat stuff :) |
| 01:09.31 | ``Erik | a bit meta, but neat |
| 01:10.07 | Yoshi477 | oh watch it google's going to buy that site |
| 01:10.22 | ``Erik | heh, that'd be cool, the dude would get his payout |
| 01:10.31 | Yoshi477 | yep |
| 01:11.12 | ``Erik | d'no if google has any interest in the cooking world... |
| 01:12.09 | ``Erik | when I visited, I got an impression of a culture that viewed food as a 'below them' aspect, the free cafeterias, "snack stations", and interest in going out to eat |
| 01:13.24 | Yoshi477 | free cafe? they have it too good |
| 01:14.15 | ``Erik | (mebbe the cafeterias were free for the gsoc mentors as a special deal... but when I visited nvidia, the cafeteria/catering was free) |
| 01:14.50 | Yoshi477 | nvidia is own by google? |
| 01:14.58 | ``Erik | no |
| 01:16.05 | ``Erik | I visited nvidia in '01, google in '08 |
| 01:16.40 | Yoshi477 | oh |
| 01:17.06 | ``Erik | when I worked at fedex, we had free tea, coffee, popcorn, etc... and vending machines where tv dinners were like a buck |
| 01:23.16 | Yoshi477 | cool |
| 01:23.26 | Yoshi477 | i would be even fatter! |
| 01:24.02 | ``Erik | heh, I gained like 50 pounds |
| 01:24.09 | Yoshi477 | ouch |
| 01:24.15 | ``Erik | and I'm a little dude |
| 01:24.24 | Yoshi477 | ya i have no will power when it comes to food |
| 01:25.56 | ``Erik | graduated college at ~135 (~60kg), boomed up to 180(~80kg) pretty quick, drifting around 150-160(~69-72kg) now |
| 01:26.27 | ``Erik | and I'm only 5'8(147cm) |
| 01:26.37 | ``Erik | :D |
| 01:27.54 | louipc | I gained like 10lbs when I was in taiwan for a month haha |
| 01:28.04 | Yoshi477 | grad 150lbs college 1 year later 180, college 2year after grad 190, greenhouse work for .5 year 185 IT Support/Systems Support Analyst Job 3.5 year after grad 210, now 195 hovering |
| 01:28.11 | Yoshi477 | lowest in 3 years was 184 |
| 01:28.13 | louipc | everybody kept shoving food in my face |
| 01:28.29 | ``Erik | I think quitting soda was a big win for me |
| 01:28.34 | Yoshi477 | yep me too |
| 01:28.51 | Yoshi477 | quiting most sugars helps, and also six pack abs challenge! |
| 01:29.04 | louipc | :O |
| 01:29.52 | ``Erik | heh |
| 01:30.38 | ``Erik | see, I quit drinking soda, but I drink a fair amount of beer, and like my big greaseburger and fries at lunch... and a major aversion to physical exertion, so I'm not exactly.... 'fit' :D |
| 01:31.25 | ``Erik | monitoring intake using 'nut' has changed my choices in food a fair bit, though... *shrug* mortifying looking at what ya actually shovel into your body |
| 01:33.00 | Yoshi477 | i know what you mean |
| 01:38.13 | Yoshi477 | yeah finally got all my overlaps delt with! |
| 01:39.43 | brlcad | woo hoo |
| 01:40.32 | Yoshi477 | hey brlcad if i had 6 of those hex bolts in my window wireframe would that slow down the rotation and zoom in and out, or is it just a problem on my machine? |
| 01:42.04 | Yoshi477 | maybe i need a quadro? |
| 01:42.11 | Yoshi477 | 5400 |
| 01:42.14 | Yoshi477 | lol |
| 01:42.34 | brlcad | depends just how complicated the geometry is, how many objects, how many segments, your video card, whether it's x11 or ogl, etc |
| 01:42.45 | brlcad | in general, no it shouldn't really, but certainly could |
| 01:43.00 | brlcad | especially with a lot of deep copies (from clone) instead of references |
| 01:43.37 | Yoshi477 | one sec |
| 01:45.01 | Yoshi477 | here try it out http://ej.nijenhuis.pixi.me/d/2441-1/sweetspot_g?g2_GALLERYSID=8d870d26847034d67e6a9b58f984d434 |
| 01:45.04 | Yoshi477 | B sweetspot.c |
| 01:45.10 | ``Erik | quatro will not help you |
| 01:45.19 | Yoshi477 | really? |
| 01:45.35 | Yoshi477 | a gaming card better |
| 01:45.45 | ``Erik | glLine is not really any faster on even a good GL card than a simple svga card |
| 01:46.04 | Yoshi477 | i guess i don't know |
| 01:46.06 | ``Erik | openGL does not really buy BRL-CAD any speed at the moment |
| 01:46.19 | brlcad | getting a few fps here |
| 01:46.39 | Yoshi477 | im at .82 |
| 01:46.40 | ``Erik | % delta? |
| 01:47.20 | Yoshi477 | .74 when zooming |
| 01:47.46 | ``Erik | crap, it's september, isn't it |
| 01:47.48 | Yoshi477 | GeForce 8500 GT |
| 01:47.50 | Yoshi477 | yep it is |
| 01:47.58 | ``Erik | 2 months of paperwork :( |
| 01:48.25 | Yoshi477 | paperwork for what? two month to go? |
| 01:48.47 | ``Erik | gotta write up reports on what I have done and what I intend to do |
| 01:49.06 | Yoshi477 | for the two summer months or it will take you two months |
| 01:49.56 | Yoshi477 | don't you keep svn with ci -m" everytime you can just concat those and your done! |
| 01:50.11 | ``Erik | probably about ten hours of real work, but the annoyance kills time like a mofo, so 2 months of dev is blown |
| 01:50.37 | Yoshi477 | ah |
| 01:50.44 | ``Erik | yes, the svn logs are an important part, extracting pertinant data from it is a hassle |
| 01:51.16 | ``Erik | I can't say "svn log -user erikgreenwald -dates 200810010000:200909312359" |
| 01:51.26 | ``Erik | the 'user' part is the bitch |
| 01:51.27 | Yoshi477 | why not |
| 01:51.48 | ``Erik | it's not an option in svn |
| 01:52.01 | ``Erik | (unless I'm missing it) |
| 01:52.02 | Yoshi477 | when you add a cooment you should put erik:your comment then you can easily |
| 01:52.33 | ``Erik | but when I leave a comment, I comment on what I did, not who I am... |
| 01:52.42 | Yoshi477 | you can do both |
| 01:53.01 | Yoshi477 | that way you get it out of svn |
| 01:53.10 | ``Erik | gimmea time machine so I can go back a year and inform myself to encode user information superfluously in the log message. |
| 01:53.13 | ``Erik | :D |
| 01:53.15 | Yoshi477 | thats what i do at work for my task logs |
| 01:53.36 | Yoshi477 | time machine only work for future |
| 01:53.39 | ``Erik | I got data, it ain't got that encoding, I gotta generate info... |
| 01:53.50 | ``Erik | so, y'kow, |
| 01:53.53 | ``Erik | know |
| 01:53.58 | Yoshi477 | gives shotgun to ``Erik |
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| 01:56.26 | Yoshi477 | wait a minute |
| 01:56.36 | Yoshi477 | don't you svn commit under your username |
| 01:56.59 | ``Erik | yes, I do |
| 01:57.01 | ``Erik | that's my issue |
| 01:57.11 | Yoshi477 | why is that your issue? |
| 01:57.42 | ``Erik | I don't believe that svn log has any username filter |
| 01:58.19 | Yoshi477 | well we use redmine at work and when i use the svn cli after that i go to the svn section in redmine and it has what user did what commit! |
| 01:58.21 | ``Erik | dorks with it, sees a 'username' global option and may soon have egg on his fcea |
| 01:59.03 | ``Erik | no, even specifying the username, it gives me all deltas |
| 01:59.03 | Yoshi477 | so ya found it? |
| 01:59.16 | Yoshi477 | deltas? |
| 01:59.55 | ``Erik | yeah, --username seems to be ignored in log O.o |
| 01:59.59 | ``Erik | effin' r-tarded |
| 02:00.10 | Yoshi477 | umm i wonder how redmine does it |
| 02:01.43 | Yoshi477 | yep i am looking at it right now under repository in redmine i can see who the author is of the latest revision |
| 02:03.14 | starseeker | ``Erik: does this help? http://svn.haxx.se/users/archive-2005-02/0738.shtml |
| 02:04.14 | Yoshi477 | well im off for the nite, cya later |
| 02:04.27 | ``Erik | hasta, yoshi |
| 02:04.38 | ``Erik | starseeker: why can't svn do this by itself? |
| 02:04.59 | ``Erik | it has a fucking --username argument, why the fuck doens't it fucking work? goddamn piece of sit |
| 02:05.02 | ``Erik | shit |
| 02:05.26 | ``Erik | "lets do cvs, but better! oh, wait, lets take all the fuckups of cvs and MAKE THEM WORSE! YES! TEH WINZ!" |
| 02:05.32 | ``Erik | :D |
| 02:06.00 | ``Erik | eyeballs darcs some |
| 02:06.08 | brlcad | that's the username to use to log in |
| 02:06.25 | brlcad | for rev in `svn log configure.ac | grep erik | awk '{print $1}'` ; do svn log -$rev configure.ac ; done |
| 02:06.29 | ``Erik | damnit, don't de-rail my drunken rant |
| 02:07.34 | Yoshi477 | lol |
| 02:07.38 | Yoshi477 | ok im gone now |
| 02:08.02 | ``Erik | hasta |
| 02:08.13 | louipc | erm --username is meant for authentication, not filtering |
| 02:33.49 | starseeker | ``Erik: could you import our repository into git? would that help? |
| 02:34.08 | starseeker | http://www.metaskills.net/2009/2/1/git-subversion-user-commit-reports |
| 02:39.21 | louipc | heehee :D |
| 02:40.08 | louipc | I would have said that, but brlcad would accuse me of preaching. |
| 02:50.57 | ``Erik | starseeker: ur m0m |
| 03:30.56 | starseeker | ``Erik: eh? |
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| 11:59.16 | Thingymebob | Make fails, can anyone help http://pastebin.com/d58247d7f |
| 12:02.06 | ``Erik | the actual failure seems to be omitted |
| 12:02.10 | ``Erik | ? |
| 12:03.18 | Thingymebob | ``Erik: My error, It just hung at that point, back to life now |
| 12:04.08 | ``Erik | if there is a failure in there, ya might try re-running configure with "--enable-all" |
| 12:04.39 | ``Erik | the tcl/tk check probably needs some lovin' to make sure the system variant is recent enough :/ |
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| 12:43.57 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: Fixed illegal coersions of ON_BezierCurves * into ON_Curve * which was causing |
| 12:43.57 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: segfaults. WalkIntersection now returns its result as an ON_NurbsCurve cast as |
| 12:43.57 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: an ON_Curve instead of as ON_BezierCurves, the curves are still identical |
| 14:46.03 | ``Erik | teh fux? a billy mays commercial? heh |
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| 16:28.16 | kanzure | hi all |
| 16:28.26 | kanzure | anyone know of any open source assembly planner? |
| 16:38.17 | ``Erik | that sounds... awfully specialized? |
| 16:45.01 | ``Erik | huh, this tv show thinks the bismark was scuttled |
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| 17:26.16 | kanzure | is there a way to figure out the regions in a dot g file? is there a shell utility that will list them for me? |
| 17:27.16 | brlcad | mged -c test.g search / -type r |
| 17:27.53 | kanzure | invalid command name "search" |
| 17:28.10 | brlcad | your version is too old |
| 17:28.22 | kanzure | 7.8 ? |
| 17:28.42 | brlcad | wow, that is ancient |
| 17:28.55 | kanzure | that's what's on the download page |
| 17:29.05 | kanzure | gets the svn version |
| 17:29.12 | brlcad | binary platforms aren't updated very frequently (you |
| 17:29.20 | brlcad | (you're more than welcome to provide an update) |
| 17:29.53 | kanzure | okay |
| 17:30.36 | kanzure | maybe I should just ask before I bother, but, |
| 17:30.46 | kanzure | I'm trying to convert from DXF to STEP or IGES. is this going to happen? |
| 17:31.04 | kanzure | HeeksCAD doesn't seem to do it at all, so I'm trying brlcad |
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| 17:43.00 | Yoshi477 | kanzure, you can get a 30day trial from varicad |
| 17:45.53 | brlcad | depends on what is in the dxf file, but you should be able to run dxf-g and g-iges to convert |
| 17:45.53 | brlcad | we don't have a step exporter yet |
| 17:46.33 | Yoshi477 | kanzure, or you can upload and someone here might offer to do it for you |
| 17:47.39 | kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/belt-clamp.3d.DXF that would be awesome :) |
| 17:47.47 | Yoshi477 | i'll give it a shot |
| 17:49.03 | kanzure | thank you :) |
| 17:50.18 | brlcad | what is in that dxf? |
| 17:50.28 | Yoshi477 | i only got a 2d profile of something |
| 17:51.08 | kanzure | it's supposedly a 3d model |
| 17:51.16 | brlcad | yeah, export of non-solid entities isn't going to fly |
| 17:51.21 | kanzure | when I open it up in HeeksCAD, it's a "3d sketch" whatever the hell that is |
| 17:51.24 | kanzure | hrm |
| 17:51.32 | kanzure | well the other option here is for me to extrude an svg file |
| 17:51.37 | kanzure | heekscad crashes when attempting to do that, however |
| 17:51.40 | Yoshi477 | one sec |
| 17:51.43 | kanzure | (there's a common theme) |
| 17:51.45 | Yoshi477 | my varicad might not be expired |
| 17:52.04 | kanzure | the svg is located here: http://contraptor.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/contraptor/tags/contraptor-1.5.0/components/belt-clamp/ |
| 17:52.25 | brlcad | yeah, it is a 3d sketch .. that's just a planar object |
| 17:52.35 | kanzure | grr |
| 17:52.41 | kanzure | the author made it originally in google sketchup |
| 17:52.47 | kanzure | which is completely useless as far as I'm concerned |
| 17:53.47 | Yoshi477 | varicad imported it as a 2d just like brlcad did, are you sure its a 3d file? |
| 17:54.01 | kanzure | no not at all |
| 17:54.01 | brlcad | it's not a valid extrusion sketch |
| 17:54.03 | kanzure | can it be extruded? |
| 17:54.07 | kanzure | hm |
| 17:54.10 | Yoshi477 | yeah |
| 17:54.25 | brlcad | i extruded it in brl-cad, but it's got non-closed loops |
| 17:54.26 | Yoshi477 | but it look like there is a gear on the one side |
| 17:54.39 | kanzure | hmph. |
| 17:54.45 | kanzure | maybe this isn't worth our time |
| 17:54.48 | kanzure | sorry to bug you guys |
| 17:54.55 | Yoshi477 | np |
| 17:55.06 | Yoshi477 | kinda was curious to see the 3d |
| 17:55.09 | kanzure | "contraptor" is an "open hardware" project that has dimensions/specs for various components like beams and angled brackets |
| 17:55.19 | Yoshi477 | ah |
| 17:55.20 | kanzure | but since it doesn't provide any usable CAD models, screw it |
| 17:55.29 | kanzure | what's the point? |
| 17:55.34 | kanzure | why would you put effort into something completely unusable |
| 17:55.42 | kanzure | am I missing something? |
| 17:56.09 | kanzure | anyway, I was asking earlier today about writing an assembly planner |
| 17:56.13 | kanzure | was wondering if anyone in here has experience with those |
| 17:57.17 | Yoshi477 | nope |
| 17:57.27 | Yoshi477 | but i work with people who use pro/e |
| 17:57.34 | kanzure | does pro/e do that? |
| 17:57.56 | kanzure | assembly planners are used to generate instructions and sequences of operations for physically moving around parts to a CAD model to make it happen in the shop |
| 17:58.08 | kanzure | sometimes spitting out human readable instructions |
| 17:58.12 | kanzure | sometimes spitting out robot crap |
| 17:58.40 | Yoshi477 | oh, i think it does that but they don |
| 17:58.42 | Yoshi477 | t use it |
| 17:58.47 | kanzure | the trick though is somehow avoiding order n**2 collision detection between all of the parts |
| 17:59.17 | kanzure | (to check for collision-free insertion motions) |
| 18:00.47 | Yoshi477 | what would boost the usage of brlcad would be integrated g-code exporter |
| 18:01.13 | kanzure | yeah I can't read g-code much heh |
| 18:01.40 | Yoshi477 | wel anyways im off for the afternoon, cya guy tonight maybe |
| 18:10.19 | ``Erik | ยด/clear |
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| 18:49.32 | ``Erik | hm |
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| 19:26.46 | starseeker | kanzure: at a guess, the contraptor project looks like it's not mature yet |
| 19:27.05 | starseeker | their web page appears to be a default sourceforge page, for the most part |
| 19:27.48 | starseeker | generally speaking, open source CAD tools have a ways to go |
| 19:41.21 | starseeker | wonders how he can justify buying an N900... |
| 19:52.44 | kanzure | starseeker: nah the real web page is somewhere else apparently |
| 19:52.53 | kanzure | goes back to hating everything and everyone |
| 19:53.33 | starseeker | these guys? http://www.garagefab.cc/contraptor/what-is-it |
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| 22:21.51 | kanzure | yes |
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