IRC log for #brlcad on 20091105

00:35.34 brlcad starseeker: ah, msi .. those aren't installshield
00:37.24 brlcad it'd have to be a pretty fledged installer to surpass our nsis one, though .. it's pretty swank with it's options, graphics, optional sections, etc ..
00:39.45 brlcad think the issue is more bob ran into a bug and instead of figuring out the problem, he'd rather play with something new
00:41.06 brlcad the problem just needs to have some earnest investigation put into it to see if it's something wrong in our nsis file, an nsis bug, or a network filesystem problem
00:41.57 brlcad i took a quick look at the nsis source code and the error he's getting is a generic "file i/o" problem (which stupidly just assumingly reports as disk full)
00:43.15 brlcad would be trivial to add some better debug statements in, recompile, see what the real error is; or do the nsis on a diff (non-net-fs) system
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01:35.58 starseeker brlcad: in fairness to Bob, he never mentioned wix - I'm the one who went looking
01:36.10 starseeker Bob never asked me to - I'm the guilty one
01:37.23 starseeker :-P
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03:56.08 starseeker wonders if virtualbox will finish compiling before Haiku finishes downloading
04:08.34 brlcad for those that haven't seen fitz' and sussman's latest tech talk, it's pretty good: http://code.google.com/events/io/2009/sessions/MythGeniusProgrammer.html
04:08.58 brlcad starseeker: aha .. hm.
04:25.14 starseeker compile finished first :-)
04:31.46 starseeker brlcad: hadn't looked at installer development on Windows since last InnoSetup vs. NSIS discussions - was curious if anything new had appeared
04:34.24 brlcad http://wix.sourceforge.net/ is probably the other at a mature enough level, but with a steeper learning curve
04:52.09 starseeker installs Haiku into a virtualbox image
04:52.17 brlcad woot
04:52.50 brlcad starseeker: you'll need to change the default network adapter in virtualbox for haiku to use it
04:53.10 brlcad there's a page on their wiki about it, but basically the first intel one iirc
04:53.39 starseeker cool :-)
04:55.27 starseeker (install is taking a little while on my now lame machine)
04:59.32 starseeker tries to think if there have ever been any true genius programmers... hmm... Knuth maybe?
05:05.13 starseeker well, the mouse moves ssssllllooww but I guess really I can't kick for full virtualization on something this old
05:08.37 starseeker hello from Haiku! :-)
05:09.15 starseeker that is easily the easiest experience I have ever had getting networking working in a virtual machine
05:09.37 starseeker winces, remembering when bochs was all the rage...
05:10.39 starseeker that was coool :-)
05:11.02 starseeker must try out ReactOS...
05:18.14 starseeker has an idea born of true and pure evil... use ReactOS + msys/mingw to build a Windows install of BRL-CAD that never touched Windows :-)
05:18.45 starseeker Fortunately, the toolchain almost certainly isn't up to anything so bats**t insane
05:20.13 brlcad slow mouse? interesting.. mine was too fast default
05:20.31 brlcad they don't yet have accelleration dampening working well
05:21.42 starseeker feels like CPU cranking
05:21.58 starseeker has an old dual P4 - may not be up to this kind of action
05:33.48 starseeker blinks - internet in ReactOS??
05:33.57 starseeker holy smoke
05:40.06 starseeker wonders how this sucker would respond to a movitz image...
05:44.26 brlcad don't forget the mosix disc from the summit too ;)
05:45.22 starseeker minix you mean? ;-)
05:45.28 brlcad er yeah
05:45.33 starseeker hasn't heard of mosix for a while now :-)
05:46.21 starseeker downloads mingw and msys into ReactOS
05:46.29 starseeker unreal...
05:47.34 brlcad unreal tournament? :)
05:49.11 starseeker heh - could try that too
05:50.33 starseeker ah, phew - msys isn't working right
05:50.52 starseeker was afraid for a minute there he might actually have to attempt a BRL-CAD compile
05:54.25 brlcad heh
06:01.46 starseeker hehe - it will take the movitz floppy image
06:10.56 starseeker ooo, how could I forget AROS: http://aros.sourceforge.net/
06:12.45 starseeker pity about their custom license
06:24.25 starseeker mmm, freedos - ah, the good old (or old anyway) 386 days
06:35.40 CIA-37 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36408 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/vls.c: checkpoint. further progress on encoding/decoding from string to argv and back.. though there is still some wonkyness with quoted/escaped words. continued work in progress.
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11:26.29 d-lo ``Erik: lol, I'm cryin here. It's like they quoted my dad's best sayings. hahahahaha
11:26.38 d-lo bah, now that's strange.
11:26.41 d-lo Mernin all!
12:12.35 brlcad mernin
12:24.59 CIA-37 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36409 10/brlcad/trunk/ (include/bu.h src/libbu/vls.c): revert back to 36317 removing the new encode/decode so raytracing is unbroken and release prep can continue. the issues with encode/decode can get sorted out post-release.
12:25.43 CIA-37 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36410 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: test it, ship it
12:27.59 d-lo brlcad: You been playing with Haiku recently eh? opinions?
12:30.10 brlcad d-lo: been following haiku since before they were called haiku
12:30.58 brlcad i'm pretty excited, actually -- they've had a surge of rapid progress ever since they finally got self-hosting earlier this year
12:31.59 brlcad a far ways off from holding a stick to any modern distro, but Haiku's clean heritage and architecture design is one of the best imnshho
12:33.35 brlcad starseeker: at a glance, I'm not sure indianlarry's recent multiplicity change is right.. that might be related to the eval problems
12:37.06 brlcad opennurbs doesn't store the repeat the start/end knots for surfaces/curves for a given order, duplicating them internally implicitly during eval -- it's not clear to me what r36364 is doing in that regard
13:16.03 CIA-37 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36411 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/mged.c: apply a heavily modified version of Jack Devanney's ( djw1 ) sf patch 2889987 (improvement to f_opendb) that should make mged not prompt for new file creation if opendb is called with a y/n tail argument.
13:19.20 CIA-37 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36412 10/brlcad/trunk/AUTHORS: special thanks to Jack Devanney for his mged opendb patch, even if it didn't survive on apply. he pinpointed the issue and provided a working patch regardless.
13:38.39 CIA-37 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36413 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS:
13:38.41 CIA-37 BRL-CAD: prompted by Jack Devanney's problem of adding 'opendb file y' to .mgedrc and
13:38.43 CIA-37 BRL-CAD: having it still prompt, his patch and my refactoring have made things better
13:38.45 CIA-37 BRL-CAD: where it should obey the [y/n] opendb tail regardless of which mode mged is
13:38.47 CIA-37 BRL-CAD: running.
13:56.58 CIA-37 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36414 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: keith added a -n option to the bot_dump command where it'll write out surface normals (untested)
14:01.06 CIA-37 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36415 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: keith also made some improvements to obj-g making it handle files that have texture and surface normal data (by ignoring that data)
14:04.13 CIA-37 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36416 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS:
14:04.17 CIA-37 BRL-CAD: bob implemented a new plugin in archer for displaying groups of attributes and
14:04.19 CIA-37 BRL-CAD: showing/hiding objects associated with those attributes. shows up an a graphical
14:04.21 CIA-37 BRL-CAD: panel with list boxes, object selection, and key bindings that drive the
14:04.23 CIA-37 BRL-CAD: graphical window.
14:05.36 brlcad that completes my review items
14:05.58 brlcad good for someone(tm) to do cross-platform compile testing and sync to STABLE
14:10.14 someone heh
14:14.24 brlcad hehe
14:15.30 starseeker attempts to get his voice to sound a little less like a dying frog...
14:15.40 *** topic/#brlcad by louipc -> BRL-CAD Open Source Solid Modeling || http://brlcad.org || http://sf.net/projects/brlcad || Release 7.16.0 posted (20091006) || Logs at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23brlcad/
14:16.02 louipc 7.16.0 :D
14:16.20 louipc starseeker: you got the flu?
14:16.31 starseeker nah, just a headcold
14:16.43 louipc ah alright
14:17.00 starseeker running the standard head, tonsils, body ache, coughing up crap cycle
14:17.12 louipc people are going nuts over the flu and vaccinations here
14:17.23 starseeker sometimes I can ride 'em out, but this one was a bit of a doozie
14:17.42 louipc new and improved virus eh
14:17.46 starseeker yea, I keep getting asked if I've got the flu
14:18.10 starseeker standard response: shhh! digestion is the one thing I HAVEN'T had a problem with yet!
14:18.30 louipc hehe
14:19.32 starseeker brlcad: did indianlarry ever get a Windows build environment set up?
14:20.09 starseeker 'twould be nice if the Windows build stuff could be swatted
14:20.48 starseeker iirc some of 'em had to do with recent changes to opennurbs_ext
14:23.37 starseeker notes with some bemusement that the FreeDOS install takes just as long as he remembers it taking years ago
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14:25.39 starseeker heh - watcom c/c++ compiler - I'll bet that's one BRL-CAD has never encountered
14:26.57 brlcad not in at least two decades probably
14:31.30 ``Erik headcold must be going around, kept me out of the office yesterday, still coughing and snotting a bit O.o
14:34.11 starseeker yeah, Sarah had it last week and folks at her place were down sick too
14:34.14 starseeker tiz the season
14:34.53 ``Erik annoying, anytime anyone coughs or sneezes, everyone goes "??? H1N1?? AAAHHHHH
14:35.07 starseeker heh, yep
14:35.13 starseeker gets that too
14:35.37 starseeker it's like "No, but maybe I can find you some if you want it..."
14:36.06 louipc this cold going around must be the 'test'
14:36.07 starseeker isn't this the so called "swine flu" that we were all up in arms about last goaround?
14:36.29 starseeker thought H1N1 was the "official" name for that, but could be wrong...
14:36.33 ``Erik yeah
14:36.35 ``Erik it is
14:36.57 ``Erik (actually, if I understand correctly, h1n1 is a family of flu virii, which 'swine flu' belongs to?)
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14:37.03 starseeker hmm, so we've had world ending due to bird flu, world ending due to swine flu...
14:37.11 ``Erik don't forget sar
14:37.13 ``Erik sars
14:37.25 starseeker was that different from the bird flu?
14:37.28 ``Erik oh, and the world ended from the swine flu in the 70's, so *shrug* it's all good, right?
14:37.39 ``Erik I thought so? *shrug*
14:37.48 starseeker but nobody expects... the Hampster Flu!
14:38.14 ``Erik shitloads of media fearmongering for a story... 5000 people int he world have died of swine flue this year, the "regular" flu kills 200,000-500,000 a year
14:38.30 ``Erik the spanish flu killed many millions less than a century ago
14:38.37 louipc yeah what the hell is sars
14:38.45 starseeker that's the 1918 one, right?
14:38.51 ``Erik yeh
14:38.58 starseeker that WAS scary.
14:39.08 louipc haha sars is a cold
14:39.20 starseeker airborne, most dangerous to healthy people, struck fast and hard
14:40.13 starseeker 'course, sanitation practices in 1918 still left something to be desired, and the world WAS recovering from a very bloody war.
14:40.15 louipc it's less dangerous to sick people?
14:40.23 louipc o.O
14:41.01 starseeker iirc, the theory about the spanish flu was that the immune response it provoked in healthy people was so strong as to be dangerous, whereas those with weakened immune systems couldn't damage themselves as much
14:41.26 starseeker something about an immune system "storm", but it's been a while since I saw anything about it and I'm no expert <shurg>
14:42.47 starseeker oh: cytokine storm (overreaction of the body's immune system)
14:44.22 louipc oh kinda like playing an old video game on a faster machine
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15:01.03 starseeker hmm. I'll bet if any OS does well with VirtualBox it would be opensolaris....
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17:04.04 starseeker decides his head isn't going to fall off and heads in...
17:58.03 ``Erik gonna have to leave my laptop in a room with a closed door O.o one of the cats closed it.
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18:48.01 starseeker ``Erik: the cats are stealing your laptop? O.o
18:49.22 starseeker ours would probably consider it a warm place to sleep...
18:54.53 ``Erik well, I closed the lid down so there was like 2 inches between the top and base, so it'd stay running... was ssh'd in and compiling BRL-CAD on it and it stopped pinging. I assume that means the noise and heat got someones interest and it became a seat
18:55.08 starseeker hehe
19:04.49 starseeker ooo, glad I'm not in Montgomery County
19:05.05 starseeker traffic control computer crashes, nothing moves...
19:09.50 yukonbob ``Erik: you need a USB electric fence for it.
19:10.13 yukonbob Universal Shock Bus?
19:14.38 starseeker hey, this is kinda cool: http://sumo.sourceforge.net/
19:16.31 starseeker http://elib.dlr.de/21012/2/dkrajzew_TRAF9_AgentbasedTLS.pdf
19:17.57 yukonbob 3/win 3
19:18.14 starseeker yukonbob: hmm?
19:18.32 yukonbob <--- fail. ww.
19:19.32 starseeker is now going to be compelled to play with this traffic simulation program and waste more brain cells :-)
19:19.54 starseeker real fun - integrate openstreetmap data into simulations
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19:22.16 ``Erik actually, been tempted to get some motion detectors and wiring them into spritzers as deterrents, just concerned about water+electronics :/
19:23.13 ``Erik was looking at air freshners and saw some that claimed to be motion activated, hrmmmmm
19:23.49 ``Erik wiggles his toes and continues to wait for http://www.stargateworlds.com/
19:36.32 starseeker hmm - open source Air Traffic Controller environment: http://www.albatross.aero/projects/projects-list/project-details.php?p=NA==&s=TGVhcm5Nb3Jl
19:41.18 starseeker ah, phooy - project members only
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21:07.24 CIA-37 BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36417 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/metaball/metaball.c: crude timing test for metaball tesselation.
21:07.35 ``Erik takes a moment to laugh evilly.
21:07.40 brlcad heh
21:10.58 ``Erik (feel free to comment on the tolerance bit)
21:11.10 ``Erik (as for the rest; shove it. :D )
21:14.15 ``Erik subversion applied to become an apache foundation project
21:14.27 brlcad neat
21:14.41 brlcad is the tolerance dynamic?
21:14.57 ``Erik it's whatever is passed in
21:14.59 brlcad then it sucks ;)
21:15.11 ``Erik looks for the max of the two rt tols' and the bn tol dist
21:15.40 ``Erik and uses that value as the grid size
21:22.31 CIA-37 BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r36418 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/brep/brep.cpp:
21:22.31 CIA-37 BRL-CAD: Added buffer around UV pushback for loose fitting edges may not need if we can
21:22.32 CIA-37 BRL-CAD: tighten the 3D edge to shared surface.
21:24.36 CIA-37 BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r36419 10/brlcad/trunk/ (include/opennurbs_ext.h src/librt/opennurbs_ext.cpp): (log message trimmed)
21:24.39 CIA-37 BRL-CAD: Added tolerance argument to getSurfacePoint(), added quick return if
21:24.41 CIA-37 BRL-CAD: point found within BREP_SAME_POINT_TOLERANCE, else now iterates
21:24.45 CIA-37 BRL-CAD: through looking for closest point within tolerance argument. Also
21:24.47 CIA-37 BRL-CAD: added BREP_EDGE_MISS_TOLERANCE buffer around 3D bounding box to make
21:24.52 CIA-37 BRL-CAD: sure 3D edges fall within bounding boxes (needed when generating
21:24.58 CIA-37 BRL-CAD: pullbacks on loose edges).Also moved BREP_EDGE_MISS_TOLERANCE and
21:25.33 CIA-37 BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r36420 10/brlcad/trunk/include/brep.h:
21:25.37 CIA-37 BRL-CAD: Moved BREP_EDGE_MISS_TOLERANCE and BREP_SAME_POINT_TOLERANCE definitions
21:25.39 CIA-37 BRL-CAD: to opennurbs_ext.h
21:27.16 brlcad ``Erik: ahh.. pretty sure you just broke the build on windows
21:27.34 brlcad instead of calling gettimeofday/clock directly.. how about just rt_get_timer?
21:27.48 brlcad wraps those some routines portably
21:41.41 CIA-37 BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36421 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/metaball/metaball.c: use rt_{prep,get}_timer() instead of gettimeofday for portability
21:41.45 ``Erik "for those users of lesser os's"
22:04.03 CIA-37 BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36422 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/metaball/metaball.c: attempt to do something almost kinda sane with relative tolerance?
22:13.25 CIA-37 BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r36423 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/step/ (9 files):
22:13.29 CIA-37 BRL-CAD: Cleaned up and removed some debugging/dead code from pullback routines, added
22:13.33 CIA-37 BRL-CAD: some developmental routines as initial start to edge tightening
23:21.20 Ralith hm
23:21.21 Ralith hey guys
23:21.39 Ralith there was someone here a while back that I talked into tutorialifying an impeller he modelled to learn mged
23:21.45 Ralith did that ever get finished?

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