IRC log for #brlcad on 20091110

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11:49.29 d-lo_ mernin all!
11:55.17 ``Erik farts in d-lo's general direction
12:03.09 CIA-61 BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r36453 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/opennurbs_ext.cpp: Fixed bug where 'min_dist' wasn't being set in SurfaceTree::getSurfacePoint()
12:32.13 CIA-61 BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r36454 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/step/ (5 files): Added openNURBS brep generation code for Toroidal and Spherical surfacs.
12:35.59 CIA-61 BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r36455 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/step/PullbackCurve.cpp:
12:36.00 CIA-61 BRL-CAD: Added checks around curve sampling counts when trying to resolve seam issues.
12:36.02 CIA-61 BRL-CAD: Also cleaned up some debug code.
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13:55.03 CIA-61 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36456 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (archer/archer.bat mged/mged.bat util/rtwizard.bat): the batch file numbers didn't get bumped, bump to 7.16.2 for release
13:59.43 CIA-61 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36457 10/brlcad/branches/STABLE/ (14 files in 6 dirs): merge trunk to STABLE from r36450 to HEAD r36456
14:05.18 CIA-61 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36458 10/brlcad/trunk/ (6 files in 5 dirs): bump to 7.16.3 in anticipation of 7.16.4 being the next release iteration.
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14:23.54 ``Erik hm Benchmark results indicate an approximate VGR performance metric of 26678
14:30.32 brlcad not bad, on par with an oct-core mac
14:32.26 ``Erik oct-core xeon 3ghz, 64g ram, running rhel5
14:32.35 ``Erik we have 3 now
14:32.58 brlcad ah, okay, so basically same config
14:33.08 brlcad as the macs, just catching up
14:33.12 ``Erik <-- points at the ram
14:33.16 ``Erik slight advantage :)
14:33.43 ``Erik less syscall overhead, but more suckage in other aspects *shrug* just another resource
14:33.44 brlcad I don't think we've pushed the 16GB barrier yet :)
14:34.32 ``Erik thinks the marching cubes thing will generate some very ugly meshes pre-decimation, might do the trick
14:37.55 brlcad how long does a ./configure --enable-all default compilation take?
14:45.47 ``Erik hm, I was building over nfs
14:59.24 CIA-61 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36459 10/brlcad/trunk/bench/run.sh:
14:59.26 CIA-61 BRL-CAD: if any of the benchmark tests fail, blather loudly that the testing failed with
14:59.28 CIA-61 BRL-CAD: instructions to the user. this should cause the benchmark to halt compilation
14:59.30 CIA-61 BRL-CAD: testing (via make check or make bench) and avoids writing out 0 values into the
14:59.32 CIA-61 BRL-CAD: summary file.
15:08.28 ``Erik configure --enable-all, source on nfs, build on local disk: real 3m7.083s | user 12m45.142s | sys 7m25.372s
15:08.51 ``Erik time ( $HOME/src/brlcad/configure --enable-all && make -sj13)
15:09.21 brlcad hm, that's actually not too shabby
15:09.25 ``Erik woops
15:09.32 ``Erik 16 core machine, I only did 13
15:09.45 ``Erik note that the source was all cached up from a previous build, too
15:09.49 brlcad a 16 core gave 27k vgr?
15:09.54 ``Erik yeh
15:09.59 ``Erik it is linux, after all
15:10.01 brlcad that don't sound right
15:10.11 ``Erik remakes -j17
15:10.19 brlcad sure it's not 8-core with hyperthreading?
15:10.20 ``Erik oh, hah, I don't think I did --enable-optimized for the benchmark
15:10.25 brlcad ahh
15:10.29 ``Erik xeon cpu's
15:10.31 brlcad that'd be about right then
15:10.45 ``Erik kicks the tires some more
15:10.46 brlcad would expect 40-50k
15:11.47 ``Erik dang step and opennurbs, jacking the build time O.o :D
15:11.59 brlcad and the docs ;)
15:12.12 ``Erik yeah heh
15:12.19 brlcad that would probably be a 1min build without the trio
15:12.27 brlcad maybe 2min
15:12.53 ``Erik imagine shifting to a single dir build
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15:13.34 ``Erik -sj31: real 3m27.715s | user 13m49.803s | sys 10m25.144s
15:14.08 brlcad yeah, looks like sys is saturated around 13 :)
15:14.13 ``Erik cache spaz, I imagine
15:14.33 brlcad or is that enable-optimized?
15:14.55 brlcad usually test compile time unoptimized, benchmark optimized
15:15.17 brlcad optimized compile time jacks things up
15:15.26 ``Erik build was unoptimized, am building optimized now for bench
15:16.47 CIA-61 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36460 10/brlcad/trunk/bench/run.sh: let the user know about 'benckmark clean' to remove the plethora of pix files that get generated. make clean mention clobber to remove the log files.
15:18.07 CIA-61 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36461 10/brlcad/trunk/HACKING: clean up stable sync instructions since it's always safe to grab CURR, and might as well export PREV so the rest can be copy-pasted without change.
15:25.13 ``Erik 'double t diner' kinda confuses me... it's not... really... a diner... more a normal restaurant, half attempting to be upscale, with a couple diner hints to the decor O.o
15:25.32 ``Erik I mean, c'mon, a diner with a bar? O.O
15:27.48 brlcad at least they didn't name it the "Double D Diner" .. that would have probably attracted a totally different clientelle
15:28.05 ``Erik indeed, I would've gone there much sooner
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19:09.31 yukonbob It's not a diner unless it's got a rotating showcase of lemon marangue pies
19:12.11 archivist luvs lemon marangue pie
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19:59.27 starseeker ``Erik: I keep telling ya, disable the doc build if it bugs you ;-)
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20:31.49 CIA-61 BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r36462 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/brep/brep_debug.cpp: additional face details added to "brep brep.s info F 0" command
20:49.02 CIA-61 BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r36463 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/step/OpenNurbsInterfaces.cpp: use 3d curve bounding boxes to ensure linear extrusion sized properly, also checks that both the origin and face bounding box are used to determine extents of cylindrical surface
20:56.25 ``Erik hey, a patch bump, nifty
20:57.41 starseeker yeah, should be just about ready to roll
21:18.12 ``Erik yup, one of them stepped on my laptop again. *sigh*.
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21:18.27 starseeker The Cats Strike?
21:18.54 ``Erik wonders if changing the ground to something with a high potential would fuck up the circuitry
21:19.07 ``Erik probably would on discharge into the cat... :/
21:19.17 ``Erik motion sensor spray-bottles I guess
21:19.21 starseeker just put the laptop in a box or something
21:19.42 ``Erik heh
21:19.49 ``Erik unless they knocked the power cord loose... O.o
21:19.55 starseeker aaah
21:19.56 ``Erik will have to discover the damage when he gets home
21:20.09 starseeker so, how do you like having cats? ;-P
21:20.23 ``Erik depends on if they're being turds or not
21:20.36 ``Erik what's the phrase? "I like kids... other peoples kids..."?
21:22.45 ``Erik "we can hear you having sex" is such an excellent ssid
21:23.07 ``Erik http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/epic-fail-wireless-network-fail.jpg
21:24.44 starseeker heh: "First Law of Bicycling: No matter which way you ride, it's uphill and against the wind."
21:26.24 starseeker hmm... multithreaded kpathsea library in TeXLive
21:26.46 starseeker and the TeXLive build uses automake
21:26.53 starseeker must investigate this 2009 release
21:27.05 ``Erik isn't kpathsea mostly io bound? wouldn't multithreading just screw the pooch for disk read sequencing?
21:27.24 starseeker probably depends on the system
21:27.39 starseeker has a small, slow, crappy system by modern standards
21:27.53 ``Erik pats his pIII 650mhz with 128m ram
21:28.02 ``Erik and a massive 20g hdd
21:29.49 starseeker sights fondly - I remember when 1 Gig was huge and they were talking like 100 Terabytes to back up the entire internet
21:30.19 ``Erik I was just remarking earlier that I was using a 64gb ram machine and started with a 64kb ram machine...
21:32.24 starseeker wonders if 3D printing will be the next big game changer for personal computers
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21:32.49 starseeker (real, high quality 3D printing that is)
21:33.59 starseeker does NOT remember fondly the days trying to fit powerpoint presentations for a class onto 1.4 meg floppies
21:34.14 starseeker even zip disks were SO welcome
21:47.35 ``Erik heh
21:48.39 ``Erik started with 4 track cassettes, then upgraded to 5.25" disks... the 3.5" was insane, you could partition it and shove BUNCHES of 5 1/4 inchers on a single disk, it was almost like a hard drive!
21:49.24 yukonbob ``Erik: !!650Mhz
21:49.29 yukonbob model name : Pentium Pro
21:49.29 yukonbob stepping : 9
21:49.29 yukonbob cpu MHz : 199.313
21:49.45 yukonbob <napolean dynamite>lucky</napolean dynamite>
21:50.35 ``Erik heh, I still have a 120mhz cyrix 5x86 with 48m ram and a 1.6gb disk (with debian on it), does that count? :0
21:50.38 ``Erik :)
21:50.57 ``Erik http://thegreatgeekmanual.com/images/geekhistory/june/coleco-adam-computer.jpg <-- was his first 'real' computer
21:51.46 ``Erik and a book called "games apples play", which meant porting apple basic to the cp/m basic the coleco used
21:52.09 ``Erik I think that was the name of the book, been a while
21:52.33 ``Erik had spiral binding and iirc, drawing of goofy robots
21:52.55 ``Erik shakes his walker at the whippersnappers
21:54.51 yukonbob w00t!! Adam with the printer that was a critical part of the system...
21:54.59 yukonbob had one of those...
21:55.07 yukonbob with it's mock Apple II basic
21:56.41 yukonbob had a game that used the printer... it was a military game that send you communications on the ptr as if they were send "over the wire" from some remote headquarters.
21:56.48 ``Erik hm, didn't the apple][ use a modified ms-basic? (almost all the microcomputer basics were derived from micro-softs iirc)
21:57.03 ``Erik printer, powersupply, whatever
21:57.06 yukonbob <-- not actually sure...
21:57.37 yukonbob is recalling the gfx via "hgr" and "hplot"
21:57.41 yukonbob (iirc)
21:58.04 yukonbob hgr ,and hgr2 (?)
21:58.16 yukonbob hplot x1, y1 to x2, y2
21:59.09 yukonbob apples I used were IIc and IIe
21:59.39 ``Erik <-- went from the adam to the c64, c128, c64c, then a very brief stint using dos/win31, then linux
22:00.09 ``Erik brief like 6 months, after 2 I was telnetting to the isp's linux box, then wiping dos and installing linux...
22:00.17 yukonbob no 128, but insert few Amigas in there...
22:00.52 yukonbob my intro to linux was similar, but from Win 95.
22:01.03 ``Erik reboot the 486 with the special doom2 boot disk (since the box only had 4 megs ram, couldn't have shit like himem loaded...)
22:01.05 yukonbob then compiling NCSA Mosaic to browse the interwebs.
22:01.20 ``Erik yehhhhh, my 6mo of win31 was in '96, I grew up po'
22:02.17 yukonbob gives ``Erik a cookie.
22:02.39 yukonbob now look at you... all grown up and p0wning *BSD
22:02.55 ``Erik heh
22:03.05 ``Erik fbsd is hardly a pricey toy
22:03.18 yukonbob true...
22:05.00 ``Erik <-- trying to decide if he wants to buy a sheeva openrd-client and a 1-1.5tb usb drive, or get a cheap dull box or something :/
22:06.11 yukonbob sheeva == more smiles, I'm sure.
22:07.09 ``Erik yeh, mebbe I'll get both, but I want to replace the p3
22:12.24 CIA-61 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36464 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/keep.c:
22:12.26 CIA-61 BRL-CAD: BAH! .. bu_optind has to be manually reset before bu_getopt(), otherwise we'll
22:12.28 CIA-61 BRL-CAD: get whatever previous bu_optind there was. this should fix the problem victor
22:12.30 CIA-61 BRL-CAD: noticed in sf bug 2890876 ( Keep command in mged is creating a file named keep
22:12.32 CIA-61 BRL-CAD: ).
22:15.41 CIA-61 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36465 10/brlcad/branches/STABLE/src/libged/keep.c:
22:15.43 CIA-61 BRL-CAD: apply the initialization fix so 'keep' isn't broken. change should merge
22:15.45 CIA-61 BRL-CAD: cleanly with the previous trunk sync revision. slipping in to the release only
22:15.47 CIA-61 BRL-CAD: because it's not been tagged yet (and is a one-liner safe initialization).
22:17.24 CIA-61 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36466 10/brlcad/tags/rel-7-16-2/: tagging release 7.16.2
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23:37.57 CIA-61 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36467 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/human.c: looks like human has the same problem as kill, need to init bu_getopt()
23:42.07 CIA-61 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36468 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/ (cad_boundp.c cad_parea.c mged.c): few more bu_optind init-to-zeros just for sanity sake (as they're the first calls in their respective main() funcs)
23:57.17 CIA-61 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36469 10/brlcad/trunk/HACKING: sf.net FRS changed slightly. path is different as our whole file release hierarchy is now traversable. should reorganize sometime soon to take advantage of this change.. until then, say what it is now.

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