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| 10:08.25 | __monty__ | Anyone on? |
| 10:15.00 | __monty__ | I get Bus error When trying to run mged. |
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| 13:06.00 | __monty__ | Any help on Bus error when starting mged? |
| 13:11.20 | ``Erik | can ya run it in gdb? |
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| 15:16.07 | __monty__ | Are you still on? |
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| 20:06.38 | starseeker | winces as all his ram and swap are eaten by a step-g attempt and he is forced to reboot... |
| 20:07.46 | starseeker | wonder how I can reserve some ram just for X11 and related "basic" desktop stuff so no app ever grabs all the memory... |
| 20:08.07 | starseeker | or I suppose I could reinstall and up the swap... |
| 20:10.13 | ``Erik | O.O |
| 20:10.19 | ``Erik | um |
| 20:10.24 | ``Erik | use a slightly less retarded os? :D |
| 20:10.48 | ``Erik | last time I oom'd linux much, its termination criteria were... very... retarded |
| 20:11.35 | ``Erik | I had some small utilities I coded up to try to control swap vs ram stuff, simply never needed 'em after moving to fbsd... :) |
| 20:11.43 | ``Erik | "soil" was the one I tended to use the most I think |
| 20:12.00 | ``Erik | it pissed all over memory, forcing idle procs down into swap |
| 20:12.44 | ``Erik | has managed to break the serial console on his new toy, but it still boots and is ssh-able :/ |
| 20:26.16 | jesica_ | starseeker, are you there? |
| 20:26.39 | jesica_ | there something not cery clear for me in the manual |
| 20:26.45 | jesica_ | cery/very |
| 20:30.24 | ``Erik | he may be busy trying to figure out how to make linux not suck, throw your query out and idle until someone can answer it? :D |
| 20:31.52 | jesica_ | "If you type a z and your cursor is still in the Graphics Window, you will send your design spinning." that means it will rotate? |
| 20:33.06 | jesica_ | the only place where i heard the spin word was in chemistry: P |
| 20:35.05 | brlcad | starseeker: hehe, how much memory do you have? |
| 20:36.42 | brlcad | jesica_: yes, it means it will begin rotating |
| 20:36.54 | jesica_ | brlcad, thanks |
| 20:37.03 | brlcad | rotating about the z axis if you press z |
| 20:37.18 | brlcad | and reverse direction if you press Z |
| 20:37.34 | brlcad | and about the other two axes for x and y, 0 to stop |
| 20:38.02 | jesica_ | brlcad, im not in that page yet :) |
| 20:38.09 | jesica_ | but thank you |
| 20:38.36 | jesica_ | remain im just doing the translating, not using brlcad |
| 20:39.07 | jesica_ | brlcad, why you have a nickname so important for this chanel? |
| 20:39.59 | jesica_ | ate "do", mmm |
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| 20:43.04 | starseeker | jesica_: he is the project lead for the BRL-CAD open source project |
| 20:43.42 | starseeker | brlcad: 1.5 gig ram, waaaay to little swap (500 meg) |
| 20:43.47 | jesica_ | starseeker, :) hi |
| 20:43.52 | starseeker | howdy :-) |
| 20:44.27 | starseeker | installed before he had an external hard drive - begrudged handing over several gigs for a proper swap partition |
| 20:48.27 | starseeker | really doesn't want to reinstall again until he gets a new machine - this configuration has had all the major gotchas ironed out (event got virtualbox working) |
| 20:54.07 | starseeker | ``Erik: I might be convinced to take a run at FreeBSD the next go-around, or maybe opensolaris - hate to give up all the OS specific knowledge, but would be an interesting experience |
| 20:54.27 | starseeker | (as long as sbcl runs well, of course ;-) |
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| 20:56.52 | __monty__ | Anyone know anything about a Bus error when trying to launch brlcad? |
| 20:57.06 | ``Erik | sbcl works quite nicely on fbsd, just make sure to enable threading when you run the 'make configure' step (uh, I think gentoo forces you to edit a file to set those? fbsd gives you a 'dialog' driven configurator) |
| 20:57.44 | ``Erik | there should be no bus error, have you tried running it in gdb to see what actually fails? can you give us info on version, how you got it, operating system, hw, etc? |
| 20:59.26 | ``Erik | rubs his chin and contemplates wasting energy to regret knocking the fuzz of |
| 20:59.29 | ``Erik | off |
| 21:00.42 | __monty__ | I don't know how to run it in gdb, I'm trying to run latest version of the source from SF on an intel mac this time. |
| 21:01.40 | ``Erik | ok, from the command line (xterm or Terminal.app... you need X11.app running), run "gdb /usr/brlcad/bin/mged" and it'll give you a prompt, type in "run" and hit enter |
| 21:02.33 | ``Erik | if it's bus faulting, it'll say so in that window, say where it crashed, and give you a prompt again, you need to run "backtrace" and paste the results to http://paste.bzflag.bz/ or http://paste.lisp.org |
| 21:03.00 | ``Erik | (latest version being the tar.gz file, not the subversion checkout?) |
| 21:03.25 | ``Erik | 7.16.2 or something? heh |
| 21:04.08 | __monty__ | yes tar.gz |
| 21:05.14 | ``Erik | intel mac is a 1st tier platform for BRL-CAD, it really should work... was /Applications/Utilities/X11.app running when you tried to start mged? |
| 21:05.34 | __monty__ | no but it did launch |
| 21:05.34 | ``Erik | (or xquartz, which is what I use on my home mac) |
| 21:05.49 | ``Erik | ok, then the gdb backtrace output is the next step |
| 21:06.46 | __monty__ | from where to where do I copy? |
| 21:07.04 | ``Erik | starseeker: I imagine that if you give go at another OS, you'll learn even more about the one you're leaving... I know I learned a LOT about linux by going to bsd, and a lot about x86 by using sparc and mips |
| 21:07.13 | ``Erik | gdb should be installed if you have xcode |
| 21:07.24 | ``Erik | as /usr/bin/gdb |
| 21:07.28 | ``Erik | run it in a terminal window :) |
| 21:08.10 | __monty__ | I have the output, I just don't know which part I should copy =S |
| 21:08.50 | ``Erik | um, from backtrace? should be a full printout of the call stack... paste every from the command to the next prompt to one of those websites I mentioned |
| 21:09.36 | __monty__ | starting from run or backtrace? |
| 21:09.43 | ``Erik | um, all of it *shrug* |
| 21:09.55 | ``Erik | (thus the site, instead of irc...) :) |
| 21:12.24 | ``Erik | waits for the link on http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/ |
| 21:15.09 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36817 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: back-annotate the step-g work from Keith Bowman. still need to add in the summary paragraphs, but annotate all of the 7.16 releases with the continued improvements. |
| 21:20.48 | __monty__ | sorry that it took so long, I was trying to paste too much. |
| 21:20.56 | __monty__ | Here's the link http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m59a77916 |
| 21:30.42 | jesica_ | starseeker, firs file done :) |
| 21:31.11 | jesica_ | ill send it to a friend for a review before to send it to you |
| 21:33.31 | ``Erik | X_open_dm() interesting |
| 21:35.40 | ``Erik | I d'no what's up there, looks like a sig11, but you compiled with debugging disabled and it seems to work on other machines :/ willing to re-compile with optimization turned off and debugging stuff enabled? |
| 21:36.32 | __monty__ | sure how do I set the flags? |
| 21:37.32 | ``Erik | when you run configure, add --disable-optimized --enable-debug |
| 21:37.45 | ``Erik | make clean, configure, build... |
| 21:40.35 | starseeker | jesica_: excellent! :-) |
| 21:41.28 | jesica_ | now, to study! I wana kill myself :P |
| 21:44.24 | ``Erik | O.o |
| 21:45.29 | starseeker | jesica_: hang in there, that studying pays off |
| 21:46.57 | ``Erik | just a bit loca? O.o |
| 21:49.20 | jesica_ | ``Erik, not afraid of crazy women? careful what you say :) |
| 21:49.45 | ``Erik | afraid? no... seem to have a history |
| 21:50.14 | ``Erik | studying what? schoolwork? or something about BRL-CAD? |
| 21:54.07 | ``Erik | curses up a storm because he cooked some stew for lunch that he'd intended for making a breadbowl :/ |
| 21:55.46 | jesica_ | studying algorithm |
| 21:56.48 | ``Erik | ah, graph theory, trees, etc? good luck with that... I love the subject, but when I took courses, the teacher was very much focused on the math, not the theory |
| 21:57.29 | ``Erik | I bought a school targetted text book because it had a section over a certain data structure I was interested in O.o (trie's) |
| 21:57.50 | jesica_ | ive studied all this thingf in discrete math? |
| 21:57.59 | ``Erik | zapp hack on a trie gives you fast easy completion |
| 21:58.47 | ``Erik | hm, perhaps a language barrier, the discrete mathematics courses I took had very little relation to the fundamental algorithm courses.... mebbe I just don't understand the correlation |
| 22:00.09 | ``Erik | either way, crazy woman, enjoy your study :) if you're horribly stuck on a subject, there're folk in this channel with much experience and knowledge, may be of use.. if you try to cheat, don't be surprised when someone says "do your own damn homework" :) |
| 22:01.07 | jesica_ | im not studying yet |
| 22:01.28 | jesica_ | im looking for someone to do a second review of the tranlation |
| 22:01.31 | jesica_ | :P |
| 22:02.19 | ``Erik | <-- can help on english, some japanese, and a tiny german... definitely not anything in the es_ directory... perhaps when brlcad wakes, he can assist? he lived in panama for a while and picked up some language |
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| 22:03.17 | ``Erik | if we put your work out publically, perhaps someone will notice and comment... open source, yay |
| 22:04.35 | jesica_ | thats true |
| 22:04.45 | jesica_ | but i prefere to do it the best i can |
| 22:04.56 | __monty__ | Gn everyone. |
| 22:04.59 | ``Erik | a common deficiency |
| 22:05.17 | ``Erik | how's the fresh build going, monty? going to have another bt for us soon? :) |
| 22:06.12 | __monty__ | I don't know, openNURBS (grinds teeth while saying that) is still popping up all over the place. |
| 22:07.13 | ``Erik | jesica: if you spend all your time trying to polish your work, you avoid the true advantage of the open source scheme... even if it's crap, throw it out! soon! often! the downfall of keeping it private is referred to as a "polished turd" in some US subcultures, ya spend all your time focused on making it perfect when there's a fundamental flaw |
| 22:08.01 | ``Erik | monty: openNURBS is mebbe 50% or so of the compile time... once it hits libbu, it'll cruise alone quick |
| 22:09.08 | __monty__ | XML_CATALOG_FILES is the most popular line right now |
| 22:09.43 | starseeker | uh - you're in the docs then |
| 22:09.45 | starseeker | almost done |
| 22:10.27 | starseeker | heads to store |
| 22:10.41 | ``Erik | dang xslt crap |
| 22:10.46 | __monty__ | tails to store |
| 22:11.00 | ``Erik | if I figure out who did that... and the tkhtml3... there'll be some whuppin' |
| 22:11.08 | ``Erik | car cdr? |
| 22:11.36 | __monty__ | cheers, we need more whuppin' up in here! |
| 22:12.11 | __monty__ | just entered 'make install' |
| 22:12.44 | ``Erik | (starseeker imported the tkhtml3 stuff, did all the xsltproc crap, ... ) |
| 22:13.09 | ``Erik | makes my crimes of automake/autoconf seem trivial :D |
| 22:14.34 | __monty__ | Ok, still getting Bus error. |
| 22:14.53 | ``Erik | and does the backtrace now include function, file, line number, etc? |
| 22:15.49 | __monty__ | It looks very similar to the previous one. |
| 22:16.18 | ``Erik | just X_open_dm(), not X_open_dm():4123 ? |
| 22:16.48 | __monty__ | #0 0x0012f90b in X_open_dm (interp=0xb6cc08, argc=6, argv=0xbfffcdd4) at dm-X.c:376 |
| 22:17.06 | ``Erik | 376, ok, that's important |
| 22:17.58 | __monty__ | Maybe this part is helpful: Program received signal EXC_BAD_ACCESS, Could not access memory. |
| 22:17.58 | __monty__ | Reason: KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE... |
| 22:18.32 | ``Erik | nah, tha'ts just a sig11 |
| 22:18.43 | __monty__ | okie |
| 22:19.35 | ``Erik | if I were to try to talk about changing source to get ot this, would you be comfortable altering the source and trying? |
| 22:20.06 | __monty__ | sure. If it's a small alteration. |
| 22:20.10 | ``Erik | yuh oh, starseeker has been all over this file lately, no wonder it's all busted |
| 22:20.48 | ``Erik | (he is so gonna kick my arse on tuesday) |
| 22:21.18 | __monty__ | hopes you get that on camera. |
| 22:26.03 | ``Erik | yuh oh, we don't have version tags/branches |
| 22:26.53 | ``Erik | 'k, looks like dmp isn't being set right |
| 22:27.56 | ``Erik | which probably means BU_GETSTRUCT fails, whihc means out of memory |
| 22:29.14 | __monty__ | which tells us... |
| 22:29.53 | ``Erik | not sure, lack of system memory? *shrug* |
| 22:30.20 | ``Erik | if you have subversion, mebbe the latest version will work? |
| 22:30.25 | __monty__ | RAM or other kind |
| 22:30.40 | ``Erik | ram and swap, I"d imagine, I dunno |
| 22:31.14 | ``Erik | to be honest, I was kinda hoping brlcad would step in and take over so'z I could go nap O:-) |
| 22:31.59 | __monty__ | Ok than, I'll give up for today, Bus error you may have won the battle but the war isn't over yet. |
| 22:32.26 | ``Erik | :) sorry I couldn't be more helpful, this delves into pieces I avoid |
| 22:32.49 | __monty__ | No problem, I'm happy you tried. |
| 22:33.05 | ``Erik | starseeker and brlcad probably know a LOT more about that piece than I do |
| 22:33.15 | ``Erik | they might be on tomorrow morning |
| 22:33.35 | __monty__ | I do find all this quite strange since I know I ran mged some time. |
| 22:33.52 | ``Erik | yeh, I don't understand why it'd crash like that |
| 22:34.01 | __monty__ | Morning gmt? I'm in the CET zone. |
| 22:34.15 | ``Erik | daytime GMT-5, morning GMT |
| 22:34.33 | ``Erik | most of the developers are on the US |
| 22:35.09 | ``Erik | in ~15-20 hours? |
| 22:35.38 | ``Erik | starseeker keeps normal hours, brlcad is all over the map *shrug* lurk and read backlog :) |
| 22:35.46 | ``Erik | it'll get figured out eventually |
| 22:36.26 | __monty__ | Ok that's CET - 6, morning is ~8-10 o' clock so that's from 14-16, I'll try catching them. |
| 22:36.41 | __monty__ | Good night to you sir. |
| 22:37.15 | ``Erik | we all read backlog, so just leave your irc client attached and catch up *shrug* :) catch ya later, dude |
| 22:37.54 | __monty__ | Can't, running on a laptop, have to shut down. |
| 22:38.15 | ``Erik | ok, hopefully we'll have a solution for you when you're back next :) |
| 22:38.37 | __monty__ | Thanks for all the help by the way. |
| 22:40.29 | __monty__ | left the building. |
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| 23:10.09 | brlcad | Nohla: cool, so you're done with one of the exercises? |
| 23:10.16 | brlcad | can you upload it somewhere? |
| 23:11.05 | Nohla | i have starseeker parsonal email, maybe there? |
| 23:11.17 | Nohla | but ive done just one review |
| 23:11.58 | Nohla | nobody else can read it right now |
| 23:12.19 | Nohla | and i cant correct myself |
| 23:12.36 | brlcad | ideally, can you upload it here: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=add&group_id=105292&atid=640804 |
| 23:13.08 | brlcad | if you upload it there as an attachment, then we can all get to it |
| 23:13.38 | Nohla | ok |
| 23:13.57 | Nohla | let me see if i can convince another friend to correct it |
| 23:14.26 | brlcad | okay |
| 23:14.51 | brlcad | when you upload it as an attachment, you can continue to upload improved versions too |
| 23:14.56 | brlcad | doesn't have to be final |
| 23:16.19 | brlcad | hmm.. __monty__'s backtrace is a bit dated |
| 23:17.07 | brlcad | can't be a BU_GETSTRUCT failure.. that'd be a bomb |
| 23:17.35 | brlcad | not a bad access |
| 23:20.58 | brlcad | ah yes, so 376 for the .2 release was: |
| 23:21.21 | brlcad | dmp->dm_width = DisplayWidth(pubvars->dpy, DefaultScreen(pubvars->dpy)) - 30; |
| 23:23.00 | brlcad | so dmp or pubvars are nfg |
| 23:24.16 | brlcad | ~botmail for __monty__: if you still have that gdb session, try running "p dmp" and "p pubvars" after it stops at dm-X.c:376 |
| 23:38.57 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36818 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libdm/dm-X.c: |
| 23:38.57 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: make X11 function calls instead of using the macros so that we can hopefully get |
| 23:38.57 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: some better data validation and stack trace information if/when something goes |
| 23:38.57 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: horribly wrong. crash reported while getting DisplayWidth of the default |
| 23:38.57 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: screen. |
| 23:45.27 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36819 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libdm/ (dm-ogl.c dm-rtgl.c): make the two other X windowing interfaces match dm-X, using X11 funcs instead of macros for better debugging, seeing if we encounter a negative screen number. |
| 23:46.37 | brlcad | ~botmail for __monty__: I made some minor changes that should help debugging, test appreciated for you to checkout latest svn (not the tarball) and then try getting the crash backtrace again in gdb |
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