IRC log for #brlcad on 20091221

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00:53.26 brlcad Nohla: what kind of projector?
00:54.10 brlcad i've preferred the smaller, lightweight versions myself, but none really stand out as fantastic without a large price
01:11.51 Nohla the idea is not to pay more than 500 E o $700
01:15.11 Nohla it's for the free software's meeting
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01:47.30 ``Erik heh, the lg phone thingie ain't 'nuff?
01:59.33 brlcad Nohla: that's a pretty small budget to work with :)
02:00.03 brlcad maybe a basic infocus
02:00.27 brlcad http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824140062&nm_mc=OTC-Froogle&cm_mmc=OTC-Froogle-_-Projectors-_-InFocus-_-24140062
02:09.54 ``Erik I'd imagine 500-700 usd is reasonably hefty for most folk
02:13.15 brlcad not for a good projector
02:13.50 brlcad for *any* projector, sure maybe .. :)
02:25.59 ``Erik most folk can't be buying projectors, no? :)
04:06.50 Nohla brlcad: InFocus remind me to Focusín XD
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09:23.35 CIA-38 BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r36949 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/CMakeLists.txt: updated CMake file to be consistent with Makefile.am (primitives/metaball/metaball_tri.c)
12:19.49 CIA-38 BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r36950 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (libdm/dm-ogl.c libfb/if_X.c tab/tabinterp.c): Added foward declarations for some "static int" returning functions to get compiling under stricter rules caused by some extra debugging options.
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18:28.28 kristian-aalborg hi all
18:29.19 kristian-aalborg trying to help an architect buddy finding som FOSS to replace autocad ad 3dstudio - any suggestions?
19:49.37 ``Erik what's the intended use? the two names seem to be us and I think qcad?
19:52.23 kristian-aalborg well, this is not for me so I really can't be too specific
19:52.59 kristian-aalborg it's just for someone who is not really acquainted with OS stuff, so I thought I'd look around a bit
20:50.06 CIA-38 BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r36951 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/opennurbs_ext.cpp: Fixed bad reuse of loop index; renamed indexes for readability and also some ws/style cleanup.
21:06.50 CIA-38 BRL-CAD: 03r_weiss * r36952 10/brlcad/trunk/ (include/ged.h src/libged/scale.c src/mged/chgview.c): Updated MGED sca command to take 3 arguments to specify different scaling factors for different axes when doing object aka matrix edits (feature request id 1206440)
21:29.29 starseeker eyes the apache tcl.m4 stuff... looks like they hacked things up to make TEA and autotools play together...
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21:48.59 CIA-38 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36953 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS:
21:48.59 CIA-38 BRL-CAD: richard weiss added support to the sca command so it'll take three or one
21:48.59 CIA-38 BRL-CAD: arument when scaling, allowing all three axes to have different scaling factors.
21:48.59 CIA-38 BRL-CAD: assumes non-uniform scaling factors can actually be applied, of course, but
21:48.59 CIA-38 BRL-CAD: safes the modeler a few steps if they know what they want.
21:50.41 kristian-aalborg are there architects using brl-cad?
21:53.57 brlcad kristian-aalborg: brl-cad has been used fro architecture before, but it really depends what the goals of the modeler are
21:54.57 brlcad brl-cad and qcad are pretty much as good as it is when it comes to open source, but we also have a long ways to go before being a full replacement for the commercial CAD systems
21:55.44 brlcad there's lots of features one might take for granted that we don't do well, other features that we are exceptional at, others still that we're good at, but do in very different ways from other systems
21:55.48 brlcad really depends
21:59.07 kristian-aalborg I think that the support is the best sales argument for many open source things
21:59.43 kristian-aalborg you really have "free 24 hours support for life" with forums and irc ;)
22:00.21 brlcad I'm not so sure I agree with that, but it is certainly a strong point ;)
22:01.19 brlcad "car comes with free car mechanic, availble 24/7, but the car only goes forwards and won't turn right"
22:02.39 brlcad if you need a car that turns right, the free mechanic isn't very useful (unless you can work with him to fix the car so it DOES go right.. eventually) ;)
22:03.02 ``Erik heh, c'mon now, there're things we do that the commercial folk don't... different emphasis
22:05.13 CIA-38 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36954 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: erik made the windows resizable, with resizable panes too instead of using fixed positions.
22:06.42 ``Erik that's entirely gtk+ isst/ stuff, d'no if a mention belongs in BRL-CAD proper
22:12.23 ``Erik a 70 minute video critique of the star wars prequels... yowza
22:31.46 kristian-aalborg thanks for the input
22:31.49 kristian-aalborg cya
22:54.26 brlcad ``Erik: ah
22:55.34 CIA-38 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36955 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: yank, missed that resizing was not in here but in isst/trunk
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22:56.24 brlcad hola Nohla
22:57.10 Nohla brlcad holas
23:02.39 CIA-38 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36956 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/ (20 files in 20 dirs): quell verbose compilation warnings, mostly unused/unchecked params and missing structparse initializers and sign warnings
23:03.16 Nohla brlcad when will you stop working?
23:04.02 Nohla CIA-38 always tell us about you :)
23:04.54 brlcad Nohla: maybe when I'm dead
23:05.13 brlcad unless I can prevent that from happening ;)
23:06.27 Nohla don't say that, dark ideas will appear in the people minds
23:06.29 ``Erik burley, libfb has no notion of mouse events, correct?
23:09.23 brlcad ``Erik: not entirely true
23:09.36 brlcad they do, but they're specific to each fb interface
23:10.28 brlcad several of the fbs set up to receive input events during open()
23:10.30 ``Erik I saw some events, but they were hard coded
23:10.32 brlcad then poll() is called
23:10.39 ``Erik nothing settable
23:10.40 brlcad where events are updated and processed
23:10.59 brlcad most are via some *_do_event() private handler
23:11.02 ``Erik so not quite right to redo something like isst
23:11.33 brlcad not sure you've stated a problem that infers that either way
23:11.41 ``Erik eh?
23:12.33 ``Erik libfb can eat blits, but it doesn't seem equiped to handle mouse events *shrug*
23:13.19 brlcad it handles mouse events, specific to each fb type
23:14.37 brlcad all I'm saying is your conclusion (as stated) is a logical fallacy :) "if false, then unsuitable"
23:15.20 brlcad it may still be unsuitable, or need massaging or callbacks or something else added, it's trivial to mod
23:15.22 ``Erik heh, must be mis-stating then :) I see some event crap in if_X.c, but it's hard coded.
23:15.53 ``Erik I need the ability to catch mouse up, mouse down, and mouse motion for app specific stuff
23:16.06 brlcad what would you do during the event?
23:16.17 brlcad does the event need access to non-fb data?
23:17.00 ``Erik um, it'd need to update az/el, position, request a re-raytrace
23:19.41 brlcad for that, the fb interface could have a user-provided callback registerable in the FBIO
23:20.05 brlcad if set, call it, else call the internal do_event() one for basic diagnostic
23:20.21 brlcad (which by default for ogl/X are things like the x/y pixel  color)value
23:22.12 CIA-38 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36957 10/brlcad/trunk/ (6 files in 5 dirs): removed the 'diameter' parameter to the ft_make callback. seemed to be unused everywhere, hacked on at some point but never followed through on.
23:23.45 brlcad I could add some hooks if ya need
23:26.29 ``Erik meh, investigating at the moment, if that's how I wanna go, I can do it :)
23:26.59 ``Erik just wanted someone to say that my assessment was correct
23:27.32 brlcad it is certainly limited at the moment, because the fb's are considered pretty basic devices
23:27.59 brlcad libdm handles events but via tcl's event handler (iirc)
23:28.21 ``Erik I want to push to a tcl/tk solution for the ui I think
23:29.57 ``Erik takes a moment to scare the snot out of some cats
23:32.00 brlcad always good fun
23:43.05 CIA-38 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36958 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/ (ebm/ebm.c ehy/ehy.c ell/ell.c epa/epa.c eto/eto.c): more quellage, verbose compilation warnings about unused and unchecked params.
23:44.00 starseeker Nohla: did you succeed with getting spanish documentation going?

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