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| 01:11.58 | Nohla | brlcad hi |
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| 03:22.59 | Nohla | brlcad holaaaaa |
| 03:32.03 | Nohla | starseeker ? |
| 03:33.08 | Nohla | buuu :( |
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| 03:52.24 | starseeker | howdy |
| 03:52.52 | starseeker | Nohla: here now |
| 03:57.04 | ``Erik | hrm, I could go for a scotch egg O.o |
| 03:57.22 | starseeker | what kind of chicken lays a scotch egg? |
| 04:00.25 | ``Erik | um, plovers? |
| 04:00.35 | starseeker | heh |
| 04:01.20 | starseeker | ponders wearing this t-shirt to a meeting someday... http://store.xkcd.com/xkcd/#TechSupport |
| 04:03.18 | starseeker | ``Erik: I don't suppose you already own this one... http://store.xkcd.com/xkcd/#Science |
| 04:06.49 | ``Erik | heh, no, almost all my tshirts are either plain or vendor gifts |
| 04:07.29 | ``Erik | hasn't bought a non-plain tshirt in over a decade :D |
| 04:08.04 | ``Erik | so now I have exciting pop-culture tshirts that say stuff like "java", "google", "opengl", ... :D |
| 04:08.25 | ``Erik | a few linux ones... |
| 04:09.59 | ``Erik | heh, ten years ago, I was sitting in the san jose airport waiting for my flight home after visiting nvidia, wearing a redhat tshirt given to me by the guy who was the scsi guru for redhat at the time... vp of redhat stops and introduces himself and says "nice shirt" O.o crazy shit, ainnit? :D |
| 04:10.59 | starseeker | there are geeks everywhere :-) |
| 04:12.39 | starseeker | really should put together an xkcd favorites sheet and post it by his desk - it's kinda the geek version of Farside |
| 04:13.11 | starseeker | and unlike Dilbert, stands very little chance of being understood by the Powers That Be, let alone banned |
| 04:13.16 | ``Erik | yeah, everywhere, who'd have guessed you'd run across one in san jose *cough* :D this was in like '01, linux was slightly less mainstream back then :D |
| 04:13.27 | ``Erik | um |
| 04:13.48 | ``Erik | the 'powers that be' shove dilbert cartoons into their slides and don't realize that THEY'RE the ones with pointy hair... |
| 04:14.09 | starseeker | <snort> until they finally figure it out and then ban the posting of 'em |
| 04:14.28 | ``Erik | I can only think of one BC that'd be stupid enough to try that, and she's not a bc anymore :) |
| 04:16.00 | starseeker | has heard tell of many such stories in many businesses |
| 04:16.06 | ``Erik | (and I think it was the 'cat carrier' that actually spun her up) |
| 04:16.51 | ``Erik | yeah... in a very locked down cube farm type environment, posting cartoons distrupts the sterile soul-crushing blandess and cannot be tolerated... |
| 04:17.15 | starseeker | personally thinks it's time to worry when the Dilbert cartoons are replaced by gang style graphitti and anonymous threats... |
| 04:17.19 | ``Erik | we're somewhere between that and a uni physics/math dept |
| 04:17.49 | starseeker | if the workforce still has a sense of humor, things aren't that bad |
| 04:17.50 | ``Erik | thinks new physics professors are required to completely cover the door in cartoons before they're allowed to do anything else |
| 04:18.03 | starseeker | hehe |
| 04:18.24 | starseeker | recalls userfriendly and Foxtrot in his undergrad physics department |
| 04:18.46 | ``Erik | userfriendly? I suddenly feel old again |
| 04:19.03 | starseeker | huh? why? |
| 04:19.28 | starseeker | got a kick out of userfriendly, at least most of the time |
| 04:20.16 | ``Erik | started college (the first time) in '95 :) |
| 04:20.25 | starseeker | ah :-) |
| 04:21.30 | starseeker | the physics lab prof had some of the Foxtrots with physics lab stuff, and our local sysadmin had the userfriendly (plus "Dilbert is a documentary" as #1 on the "list of things they don't teach you in school.") |
| 04:23.05 | ``Erik | it's all about the striped irregular bucket, yo |
| 04:23.41 | ``Erik | (not a cartoon, but definitely in the "they don't teach you at school" category) |
| 04:24.00 | starseeker | is afraid to ask... |
| 04:25.57 | ``Erik | progenitor of BOFH |
| 04:27.03 | ``Erik | if you don't know SIB and BOFH, you don't even deserve root on your own machine... |
| 04:27.15 | starseeker | oh, I know BOFH |
| 04:29.02 | starseeker | SIB... not clicking |
| 04:29.14 | ``Erik | same as bofh, just a bit earlier |
| 04:29.44 | starseeker | ``Erik: remember, I got into the game late and started with a 386 in a world of pentiums - I was lucky to get command line, let alone internet |
| 04:30.54 | ``Erik | the internet is for porn... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWEjvCRPrCo |
| 04:31.19 | starseeker | ah, the good old days... 400 floppies to get Debian and key software onto the sucker, splitting deb files using prosplitter to get them onto multiple floppies |
| 04:31.33 | starseeker | couldn't label the floppies, they kept getting written over |
| 04:31.48 | starseeker | my roommates were convinced I could read bits off the disks with my brain... |
| 04:32.00 | ``Erik | I just didn't put the paper on the disks and wrote on the plastic with pencil |
| 04:32.25 | ``Erik | could just rub yoru thumb on it a little and remove the number :) |
| 04:32.41 | ``Erik | still has many slackware floppies... plus a wad of 5.25" disks |
| 04:33.18 | starseeker | hunts that drink blueprint poster... where's that link... |
| 04:33.24 | ``Erik | somewhere I have a cd with slackware 3 on it :D |
| 04:33.32 | ``Erik | heh |
| 04:33.37 | starseeker | eeek |
| 04:33.44 | ``Erik | http://flowingdata.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Engineers-Guide-to-Drinks11.pdf |
| 04:34.01 | starseeker | saw a boxed version of Windows 1.0 in a thrift store once |
| 04:34.14 | starseeker | should have bought it I suppose, but was a bit pricy for something so useless |
| 04:34.44 | ``Erik | heh, got an 8086 or 8088 with win1.7 in my parents garage or attic or something |
| 04:35.01 | ``Erik | I bet it's in the garage, too damn heavy to lug up |
| 04:36.07 | starseeker | man that blueprint is funny - wonder if someone actually hand drew it and scanned it or if that's part of the setup |
| 04:36.35 | starseeker | the one I wanted to buy but they wouldn't sell (display item) was an original boxed Visicalc |
| 04:36.50 | starseeker | that was (of all things) a Half Price books store |
| 04:37.43 | ``Erik | heh |
| 04:37.58 | starseeker | was pretty bummed they wouldn't sell it |
| 04:38.04 | starseeker | can't blame 'em though |
| 04:38.11 | ``Erik | wonders how much it'd cost to get another atari... |
| 04:38.29 | ``Erik | I got my first 'real' computer after burning out an atari that looked like http://www.nwcomputers.com/atari2600.jpg |
| 04:38.51 | starseeker | grins |
| 04:38.57 | ``Erik | (the 'wood' there is just a sticker on plastic) |
| 04:39.05 | starseeker | where I was, the cool kids had the first nintendo |
| 04:39.27 | ``Erik | ooh, I did get to play on a famicon that a neighbor had in japan |
| 04:39.29 | starseeker | had some dedicated purpose sports games that used LEDs, found at a garage sale |
| 04:39.51 | starseeker | DID have an LED based space invaders, which I'm sure got tossed or destroyed |
| 04:40.08 | ``Erik | managed to play nintendo before it was released in the US, w00t |
| 04:40.12 | starseeker | hehe |
| 04:40.23 | starseeker | loved duck hunter |
| 04:41.17 | starseeker | remembers physically butchering the space invaders game so it would stop that friggin beeping every time the ships moved - not only did it waste battery power, it gave me away playing it after bedtime |
| 04:41.43 | starseeker | probably tossed out my retirement in another 40 years... oh well |
| 04:42.04 | starseeker | pretty much destroyed all his toys as a kid - they got played with |
| 04:42.46 | ``Erik | heh, electronic toys didn't last long for me, they became 'modified' or 'spare parts' pretty quick |
| 04:43.36 | starseeker | ``Erik: funny about that case design on the atari - I've always wanted to see if you could take someone who didn't know anything about whether something is a video game, controller hardware, or what, and have them guess the age of various equipment based on case design |
| 04:43.54 | starseeker | atari just screams 80s to me... |
| 04:44.08 | ``Erik | that puppy was '77 |
| 04:44.34 | starseeker | heh |
| 04:44.43 | ``Erik | they ditched the fake wood in '82, according to wikipedia |
| 04:45.43 | ``Erik | howzabout http://regmedia.co.uk/2008/03/20/bbc_1.jpg ? :) |
| 04:46.38 | starseeker | 1985? |
| 04:47.00 | ``Erik | 81, but it lives on! that's where the ARM originated |
| 04:47.06 | ``Erik | (it's a BBC acorn) |
| 04:47.09 | starseeker | cool |
| 04:47.32 | starseeker | it's almost as old as I am |
| 04:48.36 | starseeker | Ah, this is the keyboard I want for using Emacs... http://world.std.com/~jdostale/kbd/SpaceCadet.html |
| 04:49.14 | starseeker | thinks he might actually have prompted the posting of those images years ago, when he complained in some forum he couldn't find any pictures of the legendary space cadet keyboard... |
| 04:50.09 | starseeker | I see wikipedia has one now |
| 04:50.45 | ``Erik | needs shift lock, control lock, and meta lock that feed emacs correctly O.o :D |
| 04:51.30 | ``Erik | I use escape as my metalock right now heh |
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| 04:52.43 | starseeker | has always wondered why someone doesn't produce a few "modern" space cadet keyboards in the old "go ahead, run a tank over it" construction style - apparently the real original generations of these keyboard types were even tougher than the IBM Model M |
| 04:53.29 | starseeker | considers his Model M one of the best gifts ever from a university sysadmin with a big pile of discard hardware... |
| 04:54.40 | starseeker | apparently the mice from that era were also metal construction and incredibly durable, but I've never seen one of those |
| 05:00.55 | ``Erik | I d'no, I had an early 80's mouse for my c64, it was pretty crappy |
| 05:01.37 | starseeker | thinks it was the early "$100,000 in 1980 dollars" Lisp machines that got the overengineered hardware |
| 05:03.03 | ``Erik | heh, symbolics and lisp machines? |
| 05:03.30 | starseeker | yeah, and even befor symbolics apparently MIT had some "prototype" stuff |
| 05:04.01 | ``Erik | um, both those companies came out of MIT, no? |
| 05:04.15 | starseeker | I believe so |
| 05:04.30 | starseeker | symbolics yes |
| 05:04.31 | ``Erik | "you're doing it wrong" "no, YOU'RE doing it wrong" "oh yeah? well, I'm gonna make a company to prove how wrong you are" "nut uh, *I'M* going to make a company to prove how wrong YOU are" |
| 05:04.35 | ``Erik | something like that |
| 05:05.07 | starseeker | And amusingly enough the most lasting result of all of that was they ticked off Stallman |
| 05:05.42 | ``Erik | lisp machines was '79 by greenblat from MIT, noftsker decided greenblat was a retard and started symbolics |
| 05:06.24 | starseeker | was pretty cool when I was writing up the Maxima history in college and I realized that the macsyma code it was part of that whole thing |
| 05:06.45 | starseeker | ``Erik: I think it's the lisp machines code that's up on google, right? |
| 05:07.03 | ``Erik | not sure, didn't really dig too hard |
| 05:07.18 | starseeker | ah yeah, the kmachine |
| 05:07.34 | ``Erik | spent more time looking at the old source for lisp1 on the ibm 704 |
| 05:07.44 | starseeker | oh, here's the keyboard from the MIT machine: http://world.std.com/~jdostale/kbd/Knight.html |
| 05:07.51 | ``Erik | and pdp1 |
| 05:08.47 | ``Erik | http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/graphics/symbolics-keyboard-fullsize.jpg ehehe |
| 05:08.51 | starseeker | ah yeah - still not quite clear to me how he wound up able to release the code, but neat that he did: http://eval.apply.googlepages.com/ |
| 05:09.17 | ``Erik | oh shit, this one hurts http://www-lipn.univ-paris13.fr/~saiu/apl-keyboard/apl-keyboard-2.jpg |
| 05:09.44 | starseeker | winces |
| 05:09.45 | ``Erik | make http://www.classiccmp.org/dunfield/adam/h/memkbd.jpg look nice O.o |
| 05:11.34 | starseeker | ``Erik: you know, it's kinda funny thinking about it - right now I have on my computer copies of the MIT CADR lisp machine code and the LM code for at least some of their designs - probably, at the right point in history, worth hundreds of thousands of dollars or more |
| 05:11.42 | ``Erik | doesn't remember a lot about the coleco adam... remembers cp/m used "cat" instead of "ls" or "dir", ummm |
| 05:11.48 | starseeker | now it's a free web download |
| 05:11.59 | starseeker | cat instead of ls? eep |
| 05:12.13 | ``Erik | for catalog |
| 05:12.20 | starseeker | ah |
| 05:12.28 | ``Erik | makes more sense than dir, if'n ya ask me |
| 05:12.53 | ``Erik | qdos was a bad cp/m immitation, and that was rebranded as ms-dos 1.01 |
| 05:12.58 | ``Erik | s/mm/m/ |
| 05:13.16 | starseeker | <snort> sounds about right |
| 05:13.55 | ``Erik | heh, it is :D ya gonna make me dig up history links to prove it? O.o |
| 05:14.15 | starseeker | no, I mean MS starting out by crappily copying something else |
| 05:14.45 | ``Erik | 'cept ms didn't copy back then |
| 05:15.14 | ``Erik | someone else did the copying, ms bought it for a flat fee |
| 05:15.18 | ``Erik | for something like 50k |
| 05:15.42 | ``Erik | here we go http://inventors.about.com/library/weekly/aa033099.htm |
| 05:15.44 | starseeker | oh, so they graduated to copying things, up from buying someone elses copy? |
| 05:17.28 | ``Erik | (was a movie that went into gorey detail, uh, pirates of silicon valley or something?) |
| 05:17.43 | starseeker | has heard of it - should watch it |
| 05:18.00 | starseeker | not that it matters, I'll never play at those levels |
| 05:19.59 | ``Erik | it's ancient history that's modern enough to have documented facts plus living memory :D |
| 05:20.22 | starseeker | hehe - just goes to prove time is relative |
| 05:20.49 | starseeker | Nohla: We'll have to try again later - I'm gonna crash pretty quick here |
| 05:20.57 | starseeker | is getting old, apparently... |
| 05:22.31 | ``Erik | heh |
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| 14:47.20 | Nohla | starseeker bueeenaaaaas |
| 19:38.31 | Nohla | 5 hours later.... |
| 19:38.37 | Nohla | holas! |
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