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starseeker |
man, with the blowing snow out there it looks
like an artic landscape |
04:31.31 |
``Erik |
and now honda has a massive recall due to
airbags... |
04:31.39 |
starseeker |
yeah, saw that |
04:31.45 |
starseeker |
not my year, fortunately |
04:31.58 |
``Erik |
I just heard it mentioned on tv :) |
04:32.00 |
starseeker |
``Erik: what model truck did you have
before? |
04:32.07 |
``Erik |
a '96 chevy s10 |
04:32.45 |
``Erik |
and long long ago, a '79 toyota pickup truck
(hilux, but just called pickup in the us) |
04:32.55 |
starseeker |
nods |
04:33.05 |
``Erik |
and a '69 chevy c10 at one point |
04:33.08 |
starseeker |
if you were gonna get another one today, where
would you start looking? |
04:33.27 |
``Erik |
where? I'm kinda lookin' at dodges
lately |
04:33.44 |
starseeker |
ah - they have a good rep? |
04:33.45 |
``Erik |
they seem to be what the fleet buyers are
going for |
04:33.59 |
``Erik |
bad rep, previously, but I think they got
their shit together |
04:34.29 |
starseeker |
bet new(ish) ones aren't cheap
though |
04:35.11 |
``Erik |
depends on what you're looking for... i'm
kinda looking at a significant towing capability with
4wd... |
04:35.48 |
``Erik |
jason had a tundra, might talk to him about
his experiences... mark upstairs has a dodge 1500 |
04:35.57 |
starseeker |
nods |
04:36.24 |
starseeker |
I'm not gonna be getting one anytime soon, but
in this location I'm starting to appreciate the need for something
that can get out of here regardless of conditions |
04:36.38 |
starseeker |
(medical emergency, etc.) |
04:36.44 |
``Erik |
it's more about the driving than the
vehicle |
04:36.57 |
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BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37615
10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: so editor invocation (at least via 'ted',
assumedly via edcodes and others) doesn't seem to be working in
classic/console/command mode mged. should fix since it's in
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04:37.04 |
``Erik |
seriously, I put my m through a chunk of road
that I saw a 4wd truck stuck in. |
04:37.20 |
``Erik |
and I'm an 'ok' driver, not a pro or
nothin' |
04:37.31 |
starseeker |
``Erik: the way things get chopped up around
here, it becomes a question of clearance |
04:37.42 |
``Erik |
heh, yeh, call in, dude :D |
04:38.07 |
starseeker |
I know - see earlier point about situations
where there is no choice |
04:38.08 |
``Erik |
given your car and what tires you have, you
should be able to get througgh just about anything |
04:38.16 |
starseeker |
bull |
04:38.21 |
starseeker |
I'll show you my tires later |
04:38.32 |
``Erik |
you have a/s tires |
04:38.44 |
``Erik |
3 rain gutters and lots of cross
cuts |
04:39.19 |
``Erik |
I looked when you were in the mud... unless
you've run 'em bald since, those're good traction tires |
04:39.22 |
starseeker |
``Erik: on Monday, I ONLY saw FWD vehicles
moving with any success |
04:39.47 |
``Erik |
fwd or 4wd? |
04:39.54 |
starseeker |
sorry, 4wd |
04:39.58 |
``Erik |
on monday, I moved with success when 4wd
failed. |
04:40.18 |
starseeker |
you must have fairly flat terrain |
04:40.24 |
``Erik |
very much not |
04:40.36 |
``Erik |
and several neighbors came out to watch while
I got moving heh |
04:40.43 |
``Erik |
<-- is that r-tarded :/ |
04:41.07 |
starseeker |
``Erik: if what you say were true, there would
exist no market for 4wd |
04:41.54 |
``Erik |
um, what I say is true... 4wd is not a
panacea.... it's useful for what it is, 99% of the us driving
market is... well... retarded. |
04:42.01 |
starseeker |
you are probably considerably better than
average at driving, btw - at least when you're not leaving the road
outright |
04:42.33 |
``Erik |
4wd does NOT magically make poor driving
conditions drivable... you have to have a certain amount of skill
to operate functionally... |
04:42.40 |
starseeker |
certainly not |
04:42.48 |
starseeker |
doesn't expect
magic |
04:43.25 |
``Erik |
my dad was on a wrecker crew before joining
the navy, he claims most vehicles he saw stuck ont eh side of the
road were 4wd... people think it's magic, but it's not... it
provides no significant benefit for stopping or turning, and gives
drivers a false sense of security |
04:43.56 |
starseeker |
would mainly be looking for
benefits in starting or contining to move |
04:44.13 |
starseeker |
I know it can't magically increase
traction |
04:44.21 |
``Erik |
on my drive monday, I did a lot of ballistic
driving |
04:44.36 |
starseeker |
that gives me the willies just thinking
about |
04:45.02 |
``Erik |
sacred the snot otu of me when I did an
uphill/turn through a sign and as a truck coming |
04:45.23 |
``Erik |
do I continue to run the sign and risk getting
hit? or stop and never get moving forward? |
04:45.51 |
starseeker |
isn't that a situation where 4wd might have
helped to get you moving again? |
04:45.58 |
``Erik |
possibly |
04:46.21 |
``Erik |
if I had teh ability, evne with 4wd, it woulda
been a turn around and go hom situation |
04:46.31 |
starseeker |
nods |
04:46.34 |
starseeker |
I believe it |
04:46.57 |
``Erik |
evne the truck here didn't go today
:D |
04:47.01 |
``Erik |
trucks |
04:47.01 |
starseeker |
isn't even considering trying
to get anywhere tomorrow, and Friday is doubtful, even if the car
has only cosmetic troubles |
04:47.11 |
starseeker |
yeah, nothing moving here either |
04:47.25 |
``Erik |
when're they sending someone out to look at
it? after the weather permits? |
04:47.26 |
starseeker |
was kinda amusing reading the national weather
service special bullitens |
04:47.35 |
starseeker |
dunno yet |
04:47.50 |
starseeker |
haven't heard anything |
04:48.24 |
``Erik |
driving sideways in snow pack reminded me of
my youth :) good fun, glad I took the time to learn the art in
gravel |
04:49.11 |
``Erik |
if we had a good gravel area around, I"d try
to talk you into going out and learnin' it :) |
04:49.52 |
``Erik |
in general, if you think ti's right, it's
probably exactly opposite of what you should do |
04:51.54 |
starseeker |
remembers being told to steer
into a skid |
04:52.23 |
starseeker |
I think to try and regain control |
04:53.34 |
``Erik |
well, if you're all haywire, most people try
to turn away from the skit, ya gotta turn into it to regain
traction, etc |
04:53.50 |
starseeker |
assuming you have time of course... |
04:54.02 |
``Erik |
that's why the gravel trainign is good
:D |
04:54.11 |
``Erik |
ya turn it into reaction instead of
thought |
04:54.25 |
starseeker |
yeah, that does help |
04:54.43 |
``Erik |
<-- itching to do it on a track to get
better reactions, asphalt is less forgiving thans now... |
04:54.53 |
``Erik |
and snow is teh easiest, gravel is a middle
ground |
04:56.47 |
starseeker |
shakes his head - so your
claim is that if the us driving market were better trained, 4wd
would be largely moot? |
04:56.49 |
``Erik |
dang kitties are too dang cute |
04:56.52 |
starseeker |
hehe |
04:57.11 |
starseeker |
yeah, ours is quite happy we're snowed
in |
04:57.53 |
``Erik |
4wd in the hands of a sufficiently trained
person is an advantage... MOST folk who buy a 4wd aren't adequately
competent to operate a 2wd vehicle in poor conditions and have a
notion that the 4wd is magic and makes them adequate. |
04:58.06 |
starseeker |
ah |
04:58.40 |
starseeker |
is perfectly willing to
learn, assuming conditions can be found that don't result in him
smashing things |
04:59.06 |
``Erik |
of course, I also believe that you need to
learn how to drive a manual, etc... |
04:59.27 |
starseeker |
winces |
04:59.37 |
starseeker |
I tried one once, when learning to
drive |
04:59.40 |
``Erik |
and I'm looking to go back to training for
aggressive driving |
04:59.45 |
starseeker |
I think I could eventually have gotten the
hang of it |
05:00.19 |
``Erik |
my parents had two manual vehicles when I
turned 16... so I got to learn in gravel with a 4spd toyota
pickup |
05:00.27 |
starseeker |
cool |
05:00.31 |
starseeker |
bbiab |
05:00.47 |
``Erik |
and one of the first 'tasks' was 'get moving'
up hill without touching the gas... |
05:01.04 |
``Erik |
came in handy, when my truck blew the tranny,
I was able to get my chevy moving in 4th ... |
05:01.45 |
``Erik |
thinks he had the blue car
when ya moved up |
05:02.05 |
``Erik |
not lettin' ya learn how to drive in manual in
my m3, dude, just sayin' |
05:30.42 |
starseeker |
``Erik: heh, no problem |
05:31.45 |
starseeker |
wait... you're gonna train how to be an
aggressive driver? |
05:32.47 |
``Erik |
not aggressive... competent in adverse
conditions |
05:32.53 |
starseeker |
ah |
05:33.33 |
starseeker |
``Erik: did you seriously think I would want
to go anywhere near driving your M3 or Sean's Lotus? :-P |
05:33.35 |
``Erik |
I'd like to take lessons in more aggressive
driving, I wanna buy a truck that can tow my car |
05:33.39 |
starseeker |
eeek |
05:33.48 |
starseeker |
ah, cool :-) |
05:33.54 |
``Erik |
can you fit in the elise? |
05:33.55 |
``Erik |
:D |
05:34.01 |
starseeker |
doubts it |
05:34.38 |
``Erik |
I imagine seans care is the same way, but the
second you give a hair more gas than ya expect, I end up ass
fowards |
05:34.46 |
``Erik |
which is effin' terrifying |
05:34.57 |
starseeker |
nods |
05:35.04 |
starseeker |
you're RWD? |
05:35.08 |
``Erik |
"hey, I'm gonna do a left turOMFG I'M FUCKING
BACKARDS AND SLIDING" |
05:35.16 |
starseeker |
yeah, that's just not good |
05:35.17 |
``Erik |
yes |
05:35.39 |
starseeker |
nods - my uncle had an 85
Toyota of some sort that was RWD, in Wisconsion of all
places |
05:36.01 |
``Erik |
and that backwards... was on dry roads in
summer... |
05:36.15 |
starseeker |
yow |
05:36.19 |
``Erik |
the 3 point turn in the middle of the
intersection with traffic was ... slightly embarrasing |
05:37.10 |
``Erik |
so yeh, I don't push the 'stupid' button in my
car anymore :D |
05:38.36 |
``Erik |
y'know, I don't think I hit the dsc button on
my slide fest monday... |
05:38.41 |
``Erik |
probably shoudla |
05:38.53 |
starseeker |
still can't believe you tried
it |
05:39.09 |
starseeker |
even though you do have a lot less distance to
a major road than I do... |
05:39.27 |
``Erik |
I want programmer control... being able to put
it in zomfg suicide mode and still getting the 'you're retarded'
lights... |
05:39.35 |
``Erik |
do I? I think it's around 1.5 miles |
05:39.35 |
starseeker |
Bob has an edge there too, but his driveway
takes up the slack... |
05:39.55 |
starseeker |
you're very close the circle, aren't
you? |
05:40.19 |
``Erik |
I'm on the circle, but the exit to a highway
is opposite on the triangle |
05:41.53 |
starseeker |
ah |
05:42.01 |
starseeker |
oh yeah, I see |
05:42.06 |
``Erik |
kinda irritating, |
05:42.32 |
starseeker |
yeah, guess we're about even in distance
then |
05:42.55 |
``Erik |
heh, and all of mien is private road, no
county service |
05:43.05 |
starseeker |
that sucks |
05:43.10 |
``Erik |
I don't hit county/state road until the
highway |
05:44.27 |
starseeker |
blegh |
05:44.35 |
starseeker |
how are they about taking care of
things? |
05:45.28 |
``Erik |
if I"m lucky, 3 days after snow, an f150 with
a plow does a quick trip through |
05:45.50 |
``Erik |
no one drove today. the cul de sac is all
pristine snow |
05:46.08 |
``Erik |
people shoveled driveways, but the road is
untouched |
05:46.33 |
starseeker |
nods |
05:46.42 |
starseeker |
yeah, I don't think much got plowed
today |
05:47.00 |
starseeker |
do you go out and hit 24 then? |
05:47.35 |
``Erik |
heh, and last night, was out drinkin' and
talking with folk from the corner... chassis twist on high
performance cars came up, this kid was trying to assert that he has
the issue with his pickup truck... |
05:47.39 |
``Erik |
yes |
05:47.58 |
starseeker |
yeah, that does suck |
05:48.19 |
``Erik |
my usual drive is 24 south, onto 1 by the
jail, then 543, prospect mill, 22 all the way in |
05:48.33 |
starseeker |
nods |
05:49.01 |
``Erik |
if'n ya'll wanna carpool when the weather is
better, the bike shop by the circle has tons of parking
:D |
05:49.25 |
starseeker |
heh - mightn't they get annoyed? |
05:49.34 |
``Erik |
doubt it |
05:49.45 |
``Erik |
if not, there's a lot infront of my
house |
05:49.53 |
starseeker |
should pick up Bob and John too, make it
really worthwhile |
05:49.57 |
``Erik |
<-- been tempted to construct a carpool web
app |
05:50.08 |
``Erik |
you can haul 4, I cannot |
05:50.10 |
``Erik |
john cannot |
05:50.29 |
starseeker |
are we counting the trunk? :-P |
05:50.44 |
``Erik |
heh, yeh, I have a 2.5 hooker trunk |
05:51.35 |
starseeker |
might be worth looking into |
05:51.50 |
starseeker |
(me must put humpty dumpty back together
first...) |
05:51.52 |
``Erik |
be an interesting app to write... exercise in
lisp and UCW |
05:52.16 |
starseeker |
yeah, that would actually be a problem well
suited to AI type algorithms |
05:52.31 |
starseeker |
optimizing combinations of people with car
capacity, distances and destinations |
05:52.36 |
``Erik |
fayup |
05:52.41 |
``Erik |
ayup, even |
05:53.18 |
starseeker |
you back in the UCW game? thought that faded
after the whole move thing evaporated |
05:55.29 |
``Erik |
kinda |
05:56.29 |
starseeker |
wonders if him + truck would
be dangerous when it comes to garage sales... |
05:57.13 |
starseeker |
might build up a mildly absurd stash of crap,
given hauling capacity... |
05:57.18 |
``Erik |
uh, you + truck is dangerous.
Period. |
05:57.41 |
starseeker |
what, from a driving standpoint? |
06:00.30 |
starseeker |
I suppose |
06:01.23 |
starseeker |
LOL - subversive groups have to register in
South Carolina? Uh, sure, let's announce our illegal intentions to
the state... |
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that's the state whos governer is in trouble
for using prisoners as slave labor, right? |
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brlcad |
gets bizay |
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starseeker |
hates snow
drifts |
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starseeker |
``Erik: you would have gotten a kick out of a
scene in front of my house today - two 4wd pickups having trouble
cresting the hill |
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starseeker |
one even had a plow attachment |
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``Erik |
has bulldozers outside of his
house right now |
23:12.41 |
brlcad |
that's what they've been using to clean up the
city |
23:13.01 |
brlcad |
massive dozers that scoop up the snow into big
dump trucks that then haul it fof |
23:13.25 |
brlcad |
since there's no place to really shove the
stuff off to a side |
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``Erik |
<PROTECTED> |
23:14.01 |
brlcad |
finishes converting the video
into 3 other formats |
23:14.15 |
brlcad |
mpeg-2 decoders are a bitch to come
by |
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brlcad |
vlc ftw |
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``Erik |
vlc doesn't have one? |
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``Erik |
heh |
23:15.47 |
brlcad |
got conversions now for mp4, vorbis, and
wmv/asf |
23:16.24 |
brlcad |
should be one in there that works for folks
without needing to install special goodies |
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brlcad |
except maybe win95 folks |
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``Erik |
damn, <homer> but we're the more
powerful country for a few more years! |
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louipc |
that's awesome that you guys have so much snow
and we have none |
23:17.43 |
louipc |
hahah |
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``Erik |
should write up a script to
rotate an object and rotate the camera the same
way |
23:19.35 |
``Erik |
ed was curious to see what'd happen if you
rotated the grid for tesselation, seems easier to move the object
and camera |
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``Erik |
²you? |
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``Erik |
woops |
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"a first class ticket to a semen stained death
in a basement" |
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