IRC log for #brlcad on 20100211

02:12.07 *** join/#brlcad Ralith (~ralith@69.90.48.97)
02:46.18 *** join/#brlcad Nohla (~jesica@201.255.215.28)
03:14.06 *** join/#brlcad Nohla (~jesica@201.255.215.28)
04:07.23 starseeker man, with the blowing snow out there it looks like an artic landscape
04:31.31 ``Erik and now honda has a massive recall due to airbags...
04:31.39 starseeker yeah, saw that
04:31.45 starseeker not my year, fortunately
04:31.58 ``Erik I just heard it mentioned on tv :)
04:32.00 starseeker ``Erik: what model truck did you have before?
04:32.07 ``Erik a '96 chevy s10
04:32.45 ``Erik and long long ago, a '79 toyota pickup truck (hilux, but just called pickup in the us)
04:32.55 starseeker nods
04:33.05 ``Erik and a '69 chevy c10 at one point
04:33.08 starseeker if you were gonna get another one today, where would you start looking?
04:33.27 ``Erik where? I'm kinda lookin' at dodges lately
04:33.44 starseeker ah - they have a good rep?
04:33.45 ``Erik they seem to be what the fleet buyers are going for
04:33.59 ``Erik bad rep, previously, but I think they got their shit together
04:34.29 starseeker bet new(ish) ones aren't cheap though
04:35.11 ``Erik depends on what you're looking for... i'm kinda looking at a significant towing capability with 4wd...
04:35.48 ``Erik jason had a tundra, might talk to him about his experiences... mark upstairs has a dodge 1500
04:35.57 starseeker nods
04:36.24 starseeker I'm not gonna be getting one anytime soon, but in this location I'm starting to appreciate the need for something that can get out of here regardless of conditions
04:36.38 starseeker (medical emergency, etc.)
04:36.44 ``Erik it's more about the driving than the vehicle
04:36.57 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37615 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: so editor invocation (at least via 'ted', assumedly via edcodes and others) doesn't seem to be working in classic/console/command mode mged. should fix since it's in context.
04:37.04 ``Erik seriously, I put my m through a chunk of road that I saw a 4wd truck stuck in.
04:37.20 ``Erik and I'm an 'ok' driver, not a pro or nothin'
04:37.31 starseeker ``Erik: the way things get chopped up around here, it becomes a question of clearance
04:37.42 ``Erik heh, yeh, call in, dude :D
04:38.07 starseeker I know - see earlier point about situations where there is no choice
04:38.08 ``Erik given your car and what tires you have, you should be able to get througgh just about anything
04:38.16 starseeker bull
04:38.21 starseeker I'll show you my tires later
04:38.32 ``Erik you have a/s tires
04:38.44 ``Erik 3 rain gutters and lots of cross cuts
04:39.19 ``Erik I looked when you were in the mud... unless you've run 'em bald since, those're good traction tires
04:39.22 starseeker ``Erik: on Monday, I ONLY saw FWD vehicles moving with any success
04:39.47 ``Erik fwd or 4wd?
04:39.54 starseeker sorry, 4wd
04:39.58 ``Erik on monday, I moved with success when 4wd failed.
04:40.18 starseeker you must have fairly flat terrain
04:40.24 ``Erik very much not
04:40.36 ``Erik and several neighbors came out to watch while I got moving heh
04:40.43 ``Erik <-- is that r-tarded :/
04:41.07 starseeker ``Erik: if what you say were true, there would exist no market for 4wd
04:41.54 ``Erik um, what I say is true... 4wd is not a panacea.... it's useful for what it is, 99% of the us driving market is... well... retarded.
04:42.01 starseeker you are probably considerably better than average at driving, btw - at least when you're not leaving the road outright
04:42.33 ``Erik 4wd does NOT magically make poor driving conditions drivable... you have to have a certain amount of skill to operate functionally...
04:42.40 starseeker certainly not
04:42.48 starseeker doesn't expect magic
04:43.25 ``Erik my dad was on a wrecker crew before joining the navy, he claims most vehicles he saw stuck ont eh side of the road were 4wd... people think it's magic, but it's not... it provides no significant benefit for stopping or turning, and gives drivers a false sense of security
04:43.56 starseeker would mainly be looking for benefits in starting or contining to move
04:44.13 starseeker I know it can't magically increase traction
04:44.21 ``Erik on my drive monday, I did a lot of ballistic driving
04:44.36 starseeker that gives me the willies just thinking about
04:45.02 ``Erik sacred the snot otu of me when I did an uphill/turn through a sign and as a truck coming
04:45.23 ``Erik do I continue to run the sign and risk getting hit? or stop and never get moving forward?
04:45.51 starseeker isn't that a situation where 4wd might have helped to get you moving again?
04:45.58 ``Erik possibly
04:46.21 ``Erik if I had teh ability, evne with 4wd, it woulda been a turn around and go hom situation
04:46.31 starseeker nods
04:46.34 starseeker I believe it
04:46.57 ``Erik evne the truck here didn't go today :D
04:47.01 ``Erik trucks
04:47.01 starseeker isn't even considering trying to get anywhere tomorrow, and Friday is doubtful, even if the car has only cosmetic troubles
04:47.11 starseeker yeah, nothing moving here either
04:47.25 ``Erik when're they sending someone out to look at it? after the weather permits?
04:47.26 starseeker was kinda amusing reading the national weather service special bullitens
04:47.35 starseeker dunno yet
04:47.50 starseeker haven't heard anything
04:48.24 ``Erik driving sideways in snow pack reminded me of my youth :) good fun, glad I took the time to learn the art in gravel
04:49.11 ``Erik if we had a good gravel area around, I"d try to talk you into going out and learnin' it :)
04:49.52 ``Erik in general, if you think ti's right, it's probably exactly opposite of what you should do
04:51.54 starseeker remembers being told to steer into a skid
04:52.23 starseeker I think to try and regain control
04:53.34 ``Erik well, if you're all haywire, most people try to turn away from the skit, ya gotta turn into it to regain traction, etc
04:53.50 starseeker assuming you have time of course...
04:54.02 ``Erik that's why the gravel trainign is good :D
04:54.11 ``Erik ya turn it into reaction instead of thought
04:54.25 starseeker yeah, that does help
04:54.43 ``Erik <-- itching to do it on a track to get better reactions, asphalt is less forgiving thans now...
04:54.53 ``Erik and snow is teh easiest, gravel is a middle ground
04:56.47 starseeker shakes his head - so your claim is that if the us driving market were better trained, 4wd would be largely moot?
04:56.49 ``Erik dang kitties are too dang cute
04:56.52 starseeker hehe
04:57.11 starseeker yeah, ours is quite happy we're snowed in
04:57.53 ``Erik 4wd in the hands of a sufficiently trained person is an advantage... MOST folk who buy a 4wd aren't adequately competent to operate a 2wd vehicle in poor conditions and have a notion that the 4wd is magic and makes them adequate.
04:58.06 starseeker ah
04:58.40 starseeker is perfectly willing to learn, assuming conditions can be found that don't result in him smashing things
04:59.06 ``Erik of course, I also believe that you need to learn how to drive a manual, etc...
04:59.27 starseeker winces
04:59.37 starseeker I tried one once, when learning to drive
04:59.40 ``Erik and I'm looking to go back to training for aggressive driving
04:59.45 starseeker I think I could eventually have gotten the hang of it
05:00.19 ``Erik my parents had two manual vehicles when I turned 16... so I got to learn in gravel with a 4spd toyota pickup
05:00.27 starseeker cool
05:00.31 starseeker bbiab
05:00.47 ``Erik and one of the first 'tasks' was 'get moving' up hill without touching the gas...
05:01.04 ``Erik came in handy, when my truck blew the tranny, I was able to get my chevy moving in 4th ...
05:01.45 ``Erik thinks he had the blue car when ya moved up
05:02.05 ``Erik not lettin' ya learn how to drive in manual in my m3, dude, just sayin'
05:30.42 starseeker ``Erik: heh, no problem
05:31.45 starseeker wait... you're gonna train how to be an aggressive driver?
05:32.47 ``Erik not aggressive... competent in adverse conditions
05:32.53 starseeker ah
05:33.33 starseeker ``Erik: did you seriously think I would want to go anywhere near driving your M3 or Sean's Lotus? :-P
05:33.35 ``Erik I'd like to take lessons in more aggressive driving, I wanna buy a truck that can tow my car
05:33.39 starseeker eeek
05:33.48 starseeker ah, cool :-)
05:33.54 ``Erik can you fit in the elise?
05:33.55 ``Erik :D
05:34.01 starseeker doubts it
05:34.38 ``Erik I imagine seans care is the same way, but the second you give a hair more gas than ya expect, I end up ass fowards
05:34.46 ``Erik which is effin' terrifying
05:34.57 starseeker nods
05:35.04 starseeker you're RWD?
05:35.08 ``Erik "hey, I'm gonna do a left turOMFG I'M FUCKING BACKARDS AND SLIDING"
05:35.16 starseeker yeah, that's just not good
05:35.17 ``Erik yes
05:35.39 starseeker nods - my uncle had an 85 Toyota of some sort that was RWD, in Wisconsion of all places
05:36.01 ``Erik and that backwards... was on dry roads in summer...
05:36.15 starseeker yow
05:36.19 ``Erik the 3 point turn in the middle of the intersection with traffic was ... slightly embarrasing
05:37.10 ``Erik so yeh, I don't push the 'stupid' button in my car anymore :D
05:38.36 ``Erik y'know, I don't think I hit the dsc button on my slide fest monday...
05:38.41 ``Erik probably shoudla
05:38.53 starseeker still can't believe you tried it
05:39.09 starseeker even though you do have a lot less distance to a major road than I do...
05:39.27 ``Erik I want programmer control... being able to put it in zomfg suicide mode and still getting the 'you're retarded' lights...
05:39.35 ``Erik do I? I think it's around 1.5 miles
05:39.35 starseeker Bob has an edge there too, but his driveway takes up the slack...
05:39.55 starseeker you're very close the circle, aren't you?
05:40.19 ``Erik I'm on the circle, but the exit to a highway is opposite on the triangle
05:41.53 starseeker ah
05:42.01 starseeker oh yeah, I see
05:42.06 ``Erik kinda irritating,
05:42.32 starseeker yeah, guess we're about even in distance then
05:42.55 ``Erik heh, and all of mien is private road, no county service
05:43.05 starseeker that sucks
05:43.10 ``Erik I don't hit county/state road until the highway
05:44.27 starseeker blegh
05:44.35 starseeker how are they about taking care of things?
05:45.28 ``Erik if I"m lucky, 3 days after snow, an f150 with a plow does a quick trip through
05:45.50 ``Erik no one drove today. the cul de sac is all pristine snow
05:46.08 ``Erik people shoveled driveways, but the road is untouched
05:46.33 starseeker nods
05:46.42 starseeker yeah, I don't think much got plowed today
05:47.00 starseeker do you go out and hit 24 then?
05:47.35 ``Erik heh, and last night, was out drinkin' and talking with folk from the corner... chassis twist on high performance cars came up, this kid was trying to assert that he has the issue with his pickup truck...
05:47.39 ``Erik yes
05:47.58 starseeker yeah, that does suck
05:48.19 ``Erik my usual drive is 24 south, onto 1 by the jail, then 543, prospect mill, 22 all the way in
05:48.33 starseeker nods
05:49.01 ``Erik if'n ya'll wanna carpool when the weather is better, the bike shop by the circle has tons of parking :D
05:49.25 starseeker heh - mightn't they get annoyed?
05:49.34 ``Erik doubt it
05:49.45 ``Erik if not, there's a lot infront of my house
05:49.53 starseeker should pick up Bob and John too, make it really worthwhile
05:49.57 ``Erik <-- been tempted to construct a carpool web app
05:50.08 ``Erik you can haul 4, I cannot
05:50.10 ``Erik john cannot
05:50.29 starseeker are we counting the trunk? :-P
05:50.44 ``Erik heh, yeh, I have a 2.5 hooker trunk
05:51.35 starseeker might be worth looking into
05:51.50 starseeker (me must put humpty dumpty back together first...)
05:51.52 ``Erik be an interesting app to write... exercise in lisp and UCW
05:52.16 starseeker yeah, that would actually be a problem well suited to AI type algorithms
05:52.31 starseeker optimizing combinations of people with car capacity, distances and destinations
05:52.36 ``Erik fayup
05:52.41 ``Erik ayup, even
05:53.18 starseeker you back in the UCW game? thought that faded after the whole move thing evaporated
05:55.29 ``Erik kinda
05:56.29 starseeker wonders if him + truck would be dangerous when it comes to garage sales...
05:57.13 starseeker might build up a mildly absurd stash of crap, given hauling capacity...
05:57.18 ``Erik uh, you + truck is dangerous. Period.
05:57.41 starseeker what, from a driving standpoint?
06:00.30 starseeker I suppose
06:01.23 starseeker LOL - subversive groups have to register in South Carolina? Uh, sure, let's announce our illegal intentions to the state...
06:17.21 *** join/#brlcad akafubu (~akafubu@unaffiliated/akafubu)
06:19.48 ``Erik that's the state whos governer is in trouble for using prisoners as slave labor, right?
07:58.55 *** join/#brlcad roberthl (~robert@2001:ba8:1f1:f03d::2)
07:58.56 *** join/#brlcad roberthl (~robert@silentflame/member/roberthl)
07:59.16 *** join/#brlcad CoconutCrab (~toor@210.86.231.65)
08:04.16 *** join/#brlcad Nohla (~jesica@201.255.215.28)
09:24.01 *** join/#brlcad roberthl (~robert@2001:ba8:1f1:f03d::2)
09:24.02 *** join/#brlcad roberthl (~robert@silentflame/member/roberthl)
09:32.10 *** join/#brlcad Elrohir (~kvirc@p5B14A67F.dip.t-dialin.net)
11:02.05 *** join/#brlcad CoconutCrab (~toor@unaffiliated/coconutcrab)
11:02.49 *** join/#brlcad cjdevlin (~devlin@99-74-181-148.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net)
12:13.32 *** join/#brlcad Stattrav (~Stattrav@202.3.77.135)
13:56.44 *** join/#brlcad d_rossberg (~rossberg@BZ.BZFLAG.BZ)
17:33.41 *** join/#brlcad akafubu (~akafubu@unaffiliated/akafubu)
17:43.01 yukonbob morning #brlcad
18:00.26 *** join/#brlcad Phurl (~mdupont@2001:0:53aa:64c:38de:21f2:ae2d:1b81)
18:06.49 *** join/#brlcad roberthl (~robert@2001:ba8:1f1:f03d::2)
18:06.50 *** join/#brlcad roberthl (~robert@silentflame/member/roberthl)
18:29.06 *** join/#brlcad Stattrav (~Stattrav@202.3.77.161)
19:07.59 brlcad gets bizay
20:02.28 starseeker hates snow drifts
20:02.57 starseeker ``Erik: you would have gotten a kick out of a scene in front of my house today - two 4wd pickups having trouble cresting the hill
20:04.09 starseeker one even had a plow attachment
21:12.27 *** join/#brlcad R0b0t1 (~Enigma@unaffiliated/r0b0t1)
21:49.17 brlcad writes up a summary of projecto verde
22:06.20 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r2187 10/wiki/Main_Page: add a link to projecto verde
22:11.45 *** join/#brlcad alex_joni (~alex_joni@emc/board-of-directors/alexjoni)
22:15.21 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r2188 10/wiki/Projecto_VeRDE: initial information page on projecto verde
22:19.50 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r2189 10/wiki/Projecto_VeRDE: more than 100 competitors at the science fair
22:59.00 ``Erik has bulldozers outside of his house right now
23:12.41 brlcad that's what they've been using to clean up the city
23:13.01 brlcad massive dozers that scoop up the snow into big dump trucks that then haul it fof
23:13.25 brlcad since there's no place to really shove the stuff off to a side
23:13.33 ``Erik <PROTECTED>
23:14.01 brlcad finishes converting the video into 3 other formats
23:14.15 brlcad mpeg-2 decoders are a bitch to come by
23:14.30 brlcad vlc ftw
23:14.32 ``Erik vlc doesn't have one?
23:14.33 ``Erik heh
23:15.47 brlcad got conversions now for mp4, vorbis, and wmv/asf
23:16.24 brlcad should be one in there that works for folks without needing to install special goodies
23:16.29 brlcad except maybe win95 folks
23:16.31 ``Erik damn, <homer> but we're the more powerful country for a few more years!
23:17.37 louipc that's awesome that you guys have so much snow and we have none
23:17.43 louipc hahah
23:18.59 ``Erik should write up a script to rotate an object and rotate the camera the same way
23:19.35 ``Erik ed was curious to see what'd happen if you rotated the grid for tesselation, seems easier to move the object and camera
23:23.38 *** join/#brlcad alex_joni (~alex_joni@emc/board-of-directors/alexjoni)
23:24.39 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/upload: uploaded "[[Image:Projecto VeRDE nave1.jpg]]"
23:25.16 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/upload: uploaded "[[Image:Projecto VeRDE nave2.jpg]]"
23:25.42 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/upload: uploaded "[[Image:Projecto VeRDE nave3.jpg]]"
23:25.58 *** join/#brlcad Stattrav (~Stattrav@202.3.77.161)
23:28.08 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/upload: uploaded "[[Image:Projecto VeRDE nave4.jpg]]"
23:35.50 ``Erik ²you?
23:36.00 ``Erik woops
23:43.24 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r2194 10/wiki/Projecto_VeRDE: link to reference images
23:50.30 ``Erik "a first class ticket to a semen stained death in a basement"
23:56.57 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/upload: uploaded "[[Image:Projecto VeRDE.png]]"

Generated by irclog2html.pl Modified by Tim Riker to work with infobot.