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| 00:05.15 | Atkins | I'm about done with the mged tutorial (using 7.10.4 on Ubuntu). I had to compile 7.16.6 to get a working version of Archer, but that seg faults when trying to open or start a new database. Is there a debug cmd or log file I could inspect, or is Archer known to do this on Ubuntu (9.04). |
| 00:07.40 | ``Erik | should be a file with the words 'mged' and 'bomb' in the name in the directory you started mged in |
| 00:08.05 | ``Erik | like mged-12345-bomb.log |
| 00:08.25 | Atkins | Yes, there is indeed... Thank you. |
| 00:09.06 | ``Erik | np |
| 00:19.50 | Atkins | It appears to be a null "bu_mapped_file" pointer in bomb.c:186. This showed up during my compile (Bug ID: 2953632) and I followed the advice to add --disable-strict to my compilation options. Anyone with advice, or should I just ignore Archer for the time being? |
| 00:22.35 | ``Erik | archer is very alpha, I'd avoid using it myself |
| 00:23.51 | Atkins | Ah... What little I saw looked nice. I hope they get the bugs worked out. I guess it's back to mged. (Thanks!) |
| 00:26.08 | ``Erik | archer is supposed to be the replacement for mged, once it works sufficiently |
| 00:27.41 | Atkins | I add my vote for a replacement to mged :-) It has a very unappealing interface (I'm trying to tone down the font's as we speak..). |
| 00:28.47 | louipc | it should be more console based :D |
| 00:30.48 | Atkins | Console? Like typing? Old school for me. I find GUI based interfaces easier to come back to after letting my design projects stew for a few years... err.. months. |
| 00:31.36 | louipc | well, it could have ncurses |
| 00:31.41 | louipc | and stuff |
| 00:31.47 | louipc | y'know |
| 00:32.10 | ``Erik | mged -c <-- ftw |
| 00:32.32 | Atkins | I would be happy if I could just tone down the bevel a bit. Any way to do that? |
| 00:32.47 | ``Erik | bevel on what? O.o |
| 00:33.17 | ``Erik | all the GUI stuff in mged is TK, I d'no if TK has tweaks, but it looks a LOT better using, say, aquaTK on a mac... :D |
| 00:33.30 | Atkins | The bevel on the Gui... it looks to be about 5 pixels. |
| 00:34.04 | Atkins | Must be harsh on a Mac... Not to pretty on Compiz... |
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| 01:15.43 | Jonimus | To any devs here, thank you for continuing the awesomeness that is brlcad |
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| 01:43.27 | digilord | Hello all. Trying to compile 7.16.6. http://pastebin.com/m5ddff84c are the errors I am getting. I am on Ubuntu Karmic 64bit |
| 01:43.39 | digilord | Can anyone help? |
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| 01:45.53 | fredcylinder | Se ha solicitado una sesión de mensajerÃa musical. Por favor, seleccione el icono de MM para aceptarla. |
| 01:46.18 | louipc | qué? |
| 01:46.33 | fredcylinder | que? |
| 01:47.29 | louipc | I dunno |
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| 02:12.13 | brlcad | Jonimus: thanks for the encouragement! |
| 02:15.15 | brlcad | ``Erik: not sure if it's the same, but it was an object name .. my guess is it's the diff between our group/comb and primitive names |
| 02:19.01 | brlcad | Atkins: archer and mged are basically being merged .. but that's a work-in-progress -- hope to have an official alpha in a few months, just a few lose ends to tie up |
| 02:19.26 | brlcad | the crash is something recent/new, and probably trivial to fix |
| 02:19.56 | brlcad | if you can post that archer crash log somewhere where we can get at it, could provide helpful |
| 02:21.22 | brlcad | and yes, you can customize the bevel and fonts .. but I'll have to dig into the widgets to find the magic incantation for you in a couple hours (dinner time!) |
| 02:21.54 | brlcad | I recall wanting/doing the exact same thing when I first started learning mged.. the guy that designed the GUI has horrible eyesight :) |
| 02:22.11 | brlcad | once you set your defaults, you kinda forget out it |
| 02:23.00 | brlcad | digilord: you need to install the Xi library/headers (probably xorg-xi-dev or something similar) |
| 02:24.38 | Jonimus | Oh btw the lastest release does not build against the newest libpng |
| 02:24.49 | brlcad | fredcylinder said: "A musical mail session has been requested. Please, select the MM icon to accept it." <-- undoubtedly some stupid IM chat/irc client :) |
| 02:24.58 | Jonimus | but the fix is very easy, only a change of like 6 lines |
| 02:24.59 | brlcad | Jonimus: really?? |
| 02:25.03 | brlcad | we're only one minor off |
| 02:25.10 | brlcad | iirc |
| 02:26.09 | Jonimus | brlcad: yeah, I found it out when trying to build it on my Arch Linux install, one of the Arch Linux Dev's posted a patch here http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=8320 |
| 02:26.31 | digilord | brlcad, Thanks I will try that |
| 02:27.08 | louipc | :D I'll fix it! |
| 02:28.15 | digilord | brlcad, libxi-dev is already the newest version there isn't another package |
| 02:28.53 | CIA-43 | BRL-CAD: 03louipc * r37699 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (fb/png-fb.c util/png-bw.c util/png-pix.c util/png_info.c): |
| 02:28.53 | CIA-43 | BRL-CAD: png-: Replace png_check_sig with png_sig_cmp |
| 02:28.54 | CIA-43 | BRL-CAD: png_sig_cmp has been deprecated since libpng-0.90 |
| 02:28.54 | CIA-43 | BRL-CAD: and has been removed in libpng-1.4.0 |
| 02:29.06 | Jonimus | From the bit of Brlcad I've tired it seems very nice, we have to use UGS NX6 at school but they don't have a licence for linux so I figured I'd try this as an alternative. |
| 02:29.19 | louipc | Jonimus: should work in svn now :P |
| 02:30.00 | louipc | doh my comment is wrong |
| 02:30.03 | Jonimus | louipc: thanks, but you made a type in the second line there, png_check_sig was the one that was removed:P |
| 02:30.09 | louipc | png_check_sig has been deprecated |
| 02:30.15 | Jonimus | ya beat me :P |
| 02:30.31 | louipc | stoopid |
| 02:32.42 | Jonimus | Any Ideas why I'm getting a segfault upon exit in r600_dri.so? |
| 02:32.56 | Jonimus | I'm using the open source ATI driver |
| 02:33.07 | Jonimus | or should I talk to those devs about that? |
| 02:33.21 | brlcad | oh, jeez .. louipc, beat me to it :) |
| 02:34.17 | Jonimus | btw what commit bot do you guys use to post those comments? |
| 02:34.20 | brlcad | louipc: cool, I see you noticed their patch was wrong too |
| 02:34.32 | brlcad | Jonimus: that's the CIA system |
| 02:34.34 | brlcad | cia.vc |
| 02:35.16 | louipc | yeah I tested it |
| 02:35.17 | Jonimus | thanks I'll take a look, I was looking to set one up for some of my friends |
| 02:35.30 | brlcad | digilord: well you need libxi and libxt .. try deleting your configure cache, rerun configure and see what it reports for the Xi and Xt library tests |
| 02:35.54 | brlcad | might be a case where it was installed after configure was first run and subsequent runs used the cache |
| 02:36.37 | brlcad | it wasn't just deprectated, the func was made obsolete if it's no longer in the lib :) |
| 02:36.42 | brlcad | it's deprecated now :) |
| 02:36.51 | brlcad | (pre 1.4.0) |
| 02:37.02 | brlcad | alrighty guys, gotta get some grub.. back later! |
| 02:38.08 | louipc | bon appetite |
| 02:48.24 | louipc | Jonimus: if you checkout brlcad in svn you should be able to go to misc/archlinux and just `makepkg` |
| 02:53.42 | Jonimus | louipc: I built it from the source of the latest release, so with the size of the source I think I'll give it a try on Monday when I'm at School and have a much better connection |
| 02:54.21 | louipc | cool. I'll fix the pkg in the AUR in a bit |
| 02:54.46 | Jonimus | KK cool, I was surprised it was so out of date :/ |
| 02:56.20 | louipc | yeah I've avoided building it since my computer is kind of dying |
| 02:56.23 | louipc | and I'm lazy |
| 02:58.55 | Jonimus | ahh ok, If I wasn't busy enough with my own packages I'd offer to take it over for ya, my 3.6Ghz C2D makes it nice work of it :P |
| 02:59.10 | louipc | cries |
| 03:00.01 | Jonimus | why? |
| 03:00.08 | Jonimus | what are you running? |
| 03:00.16 | louipc | p3 866MHz |
| 03:00.40 | Jonimus | heh that's my home server |
| 03:01.03 | Jonimus | I got it for $20 at a resale shop, though I hope you have more than 256MB of ram |
| 03:01.14 | ``Erik | nice, I'm still using a p3 650mhz |
| 03:01.30 | louipc | 384 or something |
| 03:01.46 | Jonimus | and you guys run Brlcad on those... |
| 03:02.01 | louipc | yeah brl-cad runs fine |
| 03:02.14 | ``Erik | heh, no, I use an 8 core 3ghz mac pro with 16g ram at work... :D |
| 03:02.16 | Jonimus | but renders take two days :P |
| 03:02.30 | Jonimus | nice ``Erik |
| 03:03.35 | ``Erik | but my 'home server' is still an old clunker... it's sufficient for what it does, still working on getting the 1.2ghz arm fully working to replace it |
| 03:04.42 | Jonimus | nice, I actually use the P3 for IRC and well as a dedicated gameserver, I ssh into it and have screen running with m IRC client |
| 03:28.48 | Atkins | brlcad, Thanks for the feed back. I, too, had to step out for some calories. I can create a bug report to post my crash log to. Advise. |
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| 03:31.44 | Atkins | On the GUI... I came from VariCAD. They also don't consider the GUI as something to waste time on :-/ |
| 03:38.13 | Jonimus | Atkins: heh, I've only used Solidworks and NX6 before this so its a bit of getting used to, though I like the amount of control you get with out clicking on a million things |
| 03:39.12 | Atkins | I look forward to that same feel of control... :-) |
| 03:44.54 | Atkins | Is there a 2D cad element in brl-cad for wiring diagrams? |
| 03:45.43 | ``Erik | "sketch" might be what you're looking for? |
| 03:46.03 | louipc | it's not particularly for wiring |
| 03:46.19 | Atkins | Sketch... got it, I'll give it a try. |
| 03:48.12 | ``Erik | Jonimus: BRL-CAD comes from a different era with different intentions... replicating existing stuff instead of creating new stuff, and from a time when mice were uncommon :) |
| 03:50.35 | Jonimus | ``Erik: yeah I know, My dad and his GF were used to the AutoCAD from that era and I may even get them to use brlcad as well |
| 03:50.45 | Jonimus | but then again brlcad is older than me :P |
| 03:52.23 | Atkins | How is "sketch" run? From the cmd line? |
| 03:53.08 | Jonimus | in, or make sketch I'd assume, but I'm new to brlcad as well |
| 03:54.20 | Atkins | In.... yes, it looks like you are correct. I better hunt up a manual. Thanks. |
| 04:16.38 | louipc | in sketch |
| 04:19.49 | Atkins | Just played a bit with sketch. Quite basic as far as drawing goes. |
| 04:25.42 | Atkins | I installed 7.10.4 on my Acer Netbook (Ubuntu Remix 9.04 + Compiz). The graphics wouldn't refresh properly. I compiled 7.16.6 and, as an afterthought, copied it to the Netbook. Runs quite well. Hats off to the programmers! |
| 04:27.57 | digilord | Is tcl8.5.6 hardcoded into the application? 8.4.19 is what is installed. |
| 04:31.14 | Atkins | tcl8.5 is installed in the lib directory (for 7.16.6). From an earlier bout with the Archer script (which looks for a version there), I expect mged works the same. (If that is what you mean by 'hardcoded'). |
| 04:31.55 | digilord | Ok. When I run 'make test' a number of errors come up stating that itcl can't be found |
| 04:32.22 | digilord | I have itcl installed |
| 04:32.46 | CoconutCrab | yeah, I am having the same problem |
| 04:32.56 | CoconutCrab | have to run mged with LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib64/itcl3.4/:/usr/lib64/itk3.4/ |
| 04:32.59 | CoconutCrab | no idea why |
| 04:38.22 | digilord | That's the only solution? |
| 04:38.41 | CoconutCrab | emm.. yeah |
| 04:39.01 | CoconutCrab | or export it |
| 04:39.25 | CoconutCrab | is reading distro installation script to find what caused this |
| 04:42.07 | louipc | oh hmm |
| 04:42.57 | louipc | digilord: yeah you need to use tcl8.5 |
| 04:46.07 | digilord | Ok. tcl8.5 is 8.5.7 and for some reason itcl doesn't seem to be found |
| 05:52.16 | Atkins | does anyone tell me why the "clouds" are drawn around several of the example db's (ex: bldg391.g) |
| 05:52.36 | Atkins | does anyone...? can anyone... :-D |
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| 06:17.55 | louipc | Atkins: it's for the sky |
| 06:20.19 | Atkins | At first, I thought that was it. If it is, though, I'm not sure how the model was to be viewed... |
| 06:21.11 | Atkins | I'll replace the cloud and try raytracing from the inside, out :-) |
| 06:29.50 | louipc | yeah you can hide it, I haven't figured out how to get a view from inside though |
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| 12:05.55 | CoconutCrab | do I need to enable opengl if I already have X11 support enabled? |
| 12:06.46 | CoconutCrab | I tried to play around with archer but got an error message when trying to open a file : unsupported displayer manager type ogl |
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| 13:02.10 | ``Erik | I d'no, archer might require it... it's not ready for public consumption yet, though... |
| 13:05.56 | ``Erik | whoa, that's neat ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsDEfu8s1Lw |
| 13:30.44 | CoconutCrab | ok |
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| 14:42.27 | brlcad | http://tawannabyfall.vox.com/library/post/remembering-mike-muuss.html |
| 14:43.08 | brlcad | archer does require opengl |
| 14:43.19 | brlcad | at least, it assumes it |
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| 16:58.12 | digilord | What Linux distribution should be used to ensure that one can compile and have all the tests pass? |
| 17:02.16 | louipc | an up to date one? |
| 17:03.12 | digilord | Ubuntu Karmic compiles but nearly all the tests fail |
| 17:03.17 | louipc | if you're using svn at least |
| 17:03.25 | louipc | hmm |
| 17:03.39 | digilord | brlcad-7.16.6 from tarball |
| 17:08.14 | digilord | Ok. Going to use 7.12.2 binary as I can't seem to get this working otherwise. Thanks for the suggestions all. |
| 17:09.10 | louipc | I've never used tests to be honest |
| 17:10.02 | CoconutCrab | I got all the test passed with gentoo |
| 17:10.59 | CoconutCrab | but the ebuild doesn't work correctly, has to do a lot of patching so I am compiling it manually, not using the package manager |
| 17:15.03 | louipc | CoconutCrab: does it patch step stuff/ |
| 17:15.23 | louipc | I can't build that on 7.16.6, but svn seems to work fine |
| 17:16.16 | CoconutCrab | louipc: step? my problems are mostly related to dependencies |
| 17:16.43 | louipc | step is an included library |
| 17:16.57 | louipc | well I do need one patch for png stuff |
| 17:16.58 | CoconutCrab | no, I don't have any problem with it |
| 17:17.02 | CoconutCrab | 7.16.6 |
| 17:38.39 | louipc | tests seem to pass for me in svn |
| 17:49.53 | brlcad | digilord: any platform should work fine if everything is installed -- our tests sometimes require specific setup or a make install first in order to pass -- "make benchmark" is the real test |
| 17:50.14 | brlcad | if that works and mged runs, then it's pretty much a good build |
| 17:51.12 | digilord | benchmark passes fine |
| 17:51.34 | digilord | I followed the INSTALL doc (Yes I know, shocking) and make test failed |
| 17:51.39 | brlcad | build failures take priority if you have one, we aim for excessive portability |
| 17:51.43 | brlcad | pastebin? |
| 17:51.46 | digilord | So I figured that the build was bad |
| 17:52.01 | brlcad | it's hard to say |
| 17:52.08 | digilord | I deleted the source and downloaded a binary |
| 17:52.15 | brlcad | it "should" pass, but the tests are fragile to environment |
| 17:52.37 | brlcad | some platforms, libtool makes binaries that won't run prior to install |
| 17:52.40 | digilord | My machine is Ubuntu 9.10 64bit current |
| 17:52.58 | brlcad | speculation without a paste |
| 17:53.05 | digilord | Sorry. |
| 17:53.13 | brlcad | np, not a big deal |
| 17:53.42 | digilord | Is there a large difference between 7.16.6 and 7.12.2? |
| 17:53.52 | digilord | Large enough to warrant me using the newer one |
| 17:55.07 | digilord | If so I will compile again and paste the errors |
| 17:55.34 | brlcad | heh, only a couple hundred feature changes |
| 17:55.38 | brlcad | if you're learning, it won't matter |
| 17:55.44 | digilord | Ok. |
| 17:55.52 | brlcad | but if you run into any issue, the first thing we'll say is get up to date |
| 17:56.09 | digilord | Ok re-compiling then. |
| 17:56.27 | digilord | Not from SVN but the latest release tar |
| 17:56.33 | brlcad | use svn |
| 17:56.46 | brlcad | will get you past the gcc bug |
| 17:56.53 | brlcad | ~cadsvn |
| 17:56.53 | ibot | To obtain BRL-CAD from Subversion: svn checkout https://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/brlcad/brlcad/trunk brlcad |
| 18:08.52 | CIA-43 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37700 10/brlcad/trunk/ (include/spm.h src/libbn/sphmap.c): move the doxygen comments into the header, clean them up, ws style formatting consistency on the rest. expand header prototypes to fix the strict compilation failure reported by nita budd (Sinclair). |
| 18:25.33 | digilord | So should I 'make test' and paste the failures from the SVN version? |
| 18:33.08 | brlcad | sure |
| 18:40.35 | digilord | brlcad, http://pastebin.com/m75d1a2e0 & http://pastebin.com/m7fbc67cf |
| 18:41.21 | digilord | My distro only has itcl3.2 available |
| 18:41.47 | ``Erik | then use the one that comes with BRL-CAD? :) |
| 18:44.24 | ``Erik | if it detected that one by itself, try reconfiguring with --enable-itcl-build |
| 18:44.25 | ``Erik | ? |
| 18:47.30 | digilord | Ok trying that |
| 19:01.30 | digilord | Yeah same output as http://pastebin.com/m75d1a2e0 |
| 19:02.11 | Jonimus | is 7.14.8 the newest windows build? |
| 19:12.49 | CIA-43 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r37701 10/brlcad/trunk/src/util/pix-spm.c: pix_load, not px_load |
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| 19:35.05 | starseeker | I didn't know Mike was involved with the Morris worm episode |
| 19:35.08 | starseeker | cool |
| 19:35.47 | ``Erik | amusingly, morris was grahams co-founder for viaweb O.o |
| 19:36.37 | ``Erik | and I worked at fedex with one of the dudes involved in coming up with a "condom" for it when he was at purdue O.o |
| 19:42.42 | digilord | If 'make benchmark' has one of the tests that shows '74 off by 1' is that acceptable? |
| 19:44.46 | ``Erik | that's normal, the m35, right? |
| 19:44.52 | digilord | YEs |
| 19:45.10 | digilord | Just making sure that's acceptable |
| 19:45.25 | ``Erik | yup, it's been doing that for a while (like, years?) |
| 19:45.59 | ``Erik | either need to figure out why/how the torii changed or just regenerate the PIX file :/ |
| 19:47.30 | Jonimus | are there instructions on how to build an updated windows binary anywhere, I'd like to know that I'm using a current version on both OS's on this computer |
| 19:51.19 | ``Erik | misc\win32-msvc8\ is how those're built |
| 19:56.14 | Jonimus | KK I'll take a look |
| 19:58.59 | digilord | Are there special args when one wants to make a menu item for say gnome? I tried /usr/local/bin/mged -a X but nothing starts. If I change the Type to 'Application in Terminal' it works but starts a terminal window. |
| 19:59.35 | Jonimus | ``Erik: I'm doing a svn co and I'll give it a try in a sec |
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| 21:28.57 | digilord | Hello again. I am going through the Tutorial PDF and I am in Lesson 2. After entering the first command I am being asked 'Enter ZMIN, ZMAX:'. This isn't in the tutorial. What are these values supposed to be? |
| 21:29.18 | digilord | Nevermind |
| 21:57.45 | brlcad | digilord: those errors are to be expected as make test requires run-time path searching to succeed for the tcl packages, which it can't do when we provide some and some are system installed |
| 21:58.40 | brlcad | if you "make noprod" and reconfigure with --enable-all, that should give a build that will pass the tests |
| 21:58.53 | digilord | brlcad, I am successfully working through the tutorial with a compiled version |
| 21:59.05 | brlcad | regardless, if you make install and mged works, the tests would have all passed |
| 21:59.31 | brlcad | those errors in test are from the uninstalled mged saying it's having initializtion failures |
| 21:59.42 | brlcad | so it's all good |
| 21:59.45 | digilord | Ahh ok got iy |
| 21:59.47 | digilord | *it |
| 22:25.21 | digilord | Lesson 4 - When I type 'mater shapes2.r' and press enter I get a Usage message not a prompt. Is this new behavior? |
| 22:26.24 | Jonimus | digilord: yeah that command has changed since the tutorial was written, read on an you'll figure it out |
| 22:31.20 | digilord | Ahhh ok |
| 22:31.39 | digilord | No more prompt but you can use the one line command to accomplish the same thing |
| 22:31.45 | digilord | still learning |
| 23:41.58 | digilord | Ok... If I only have a 2 button mouse how do I do middle button operations in BRL-CAD? |
| 23:42.42 | ``Erik | if you're on linux, you should have an X configuration to 'chord' a middle button |
| 23:42.47 | ``Erik | if it's turned on, push both buttons at the same time |