| 01:27.19 | ``Erik | heh, 'bmw of towson' is now bragging that they added porsche to their 'family' O.o |
| 04:41.40 | starseeker | hmm - "Sweet phone, and if anyone else has this phone and the buttons stick, run it over with your car." |
| 04:42.06 | starseeker | needs that phone - it might actually survive my treatment of it... |
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| 07:58.34 | jack | ``Erik: i'd recommend updating your g3 to tiger |
| 07:58.49 | jack | last osx version that runs on it |
| 07:59.20 | jack | but sure, the g4 is better anyway |
| 08:25.48 | ``Erik | jack: it's an old 700mhz iBook, it just sits in the corner and on very very rare occasion, I fire up mame on it or something... I have two much more modern laptops (the g4 is a 15" macbook pro, my normal laptop is a 12" aluminum macbook with a core duo) |
| 08:26.37 | ``Erik | it only has a cdr drive and all my tiger media is dvd :) |
| 08:26.47 | jack | hehe ok |
| 08:29.06 | jack | ``Erik: do you have fink installed on one of the macbooks? |
| 08:29.17 | jack | if no, you really should! |
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| 08:29.46 | ``Erik | a couple of 'em, plus a couple at work |
| 08:30.35 | ``Erik | like I said, I used to use fink, started using darwinports/macports for certain ports that fink didn't have, eventually migrated all to macports |
| 08:31.01 | jack | meep :) just poke me, if anything important is missing in fink |
| 08:31.24 | ``Erik | rather not poke ya, I don't swing that way *cough* |
| 08:31.34 | jack | ;p |
| 08:31.41 | jack | damn literal interpretations |
| 08:31.49 | ``Erik | macports has everything I need, why exert the effort to try to migrate back? :D |
| 08:32.04 | jack | because fink is better? ;p |
| 08:32.09 | jack | sure, your choice |
| 08:32.12 | ``Erik | why? |
| 08:32.34 | jack | more active maintainers, more packages, more sanity |
| 08:34.53 | ``Erik | hm, macports has all the packages I want/need, always up to date on them, and seems sane enough to me :D (I moved from debian to freebsd many years ago, so even though macports has the fugly gentoo-like parody of *bsd port awesomeness, it's still closer to my admin flow for other machines than apt) |
| 08:35.21 | jack | ok, understandable |
| 08:35.33 | jack | i just love dpkg somehow, no clue why |
| 08:35.38 | ``Erik | and if macports is missing anything I really want, I can always cook up the port and submit it O.o I do it for fbsd already |
| 08:36.55 | ``Erik | dpkg/apt is a whole lot better than, say, rpm/yum... but I've been indoctrinated into the *bsd mentality *twitch* |
| 08:37.04 | jack | :) |
| 08:37.18 | ``Erik | crazy going slowly am I |
| 08:39.08 | ``Erik | the only thing that actually annoys me about macports is the lack of a fbsd type pkg_cutleaves capability (print and optionally remove packages that no other package depends on, with the removal process being recursive) |
| 08:39.46 | jack | oh, fink-apt doesn't offer an ubuntu-like autoremove feature either, so far |
| 08:39.54 | jack | would be sweet of course |
| 08:40.03 | ``Erik | should put in a feature request to macports |
| 08:40.44 | ``Erik | I haven't used ubuntu, and it's been years since I've used debian... autoremove? O.o kinda sounds more like "remove this and anything that depends on it" |
| 08:42.01 | ``Erik | hm, what was the debian thingiemajigger... uh, deborphan? kinda similar, 'cept it didn't show leafs that you asked for, just stuff added as dependancies and are no longer used as such |
| 08:42.16 | jack | yeah |
| 08:42.44 | jack | but ubuntu-apt can automatically remove crap only X depends on, if you remove X |
| 08:42.51 | jack | that's sweet for users |
| 08:43.16 | ``Erik | I'm more interested in seeing the list usually |
| 08:44.39 | ``Erik | when I say "what do I have installed on this machine", I want to see "finance/gnucash", I don't care about gtk+2, guile16, slib, p5-finance-quote, perl, gmake, libtool, atk, glib, pango, xorg-macros, xorg-proto, xorg-... |
| 08:44.55 | ``Erik | knowwhutahmean,vern? |
| 08:45.02 | jack | sure |
| 08:45.49 | ``Erik | (oh, something like portmanager -u -bu -l would be neat, too... if the upgrade breaks something, being able to 'undo' it quickly is nice) |
| 08:46.07 | ``Erik | solaris style, yo |
| 08:46.21 | ``Erik | came in handy on brlcad.org a while back :) |
| 08:46.59 | jack | yeah, i bet |
| 08:48.09 | ``Erik | migrating to the new machine would come in handy, too *cough* :D |
| 08:50.35 | ``Erik | "i laugh in the face of danger. and then i hide until it goes away." |
| 08:51.46 | jack | hehe |
| 08:52.03 | jack | sounds a bit like the sunglasses of zaphod beeblebrox |
| 08:52.23 | ``Erik | heh, h2g2, w00t |
| 08:53.06 | ``Erik | I dunno where it's from, freebsdgirl said it in #bsdcode, I figured I'd yank&paste |
| 08:53.21 | jack | :) |
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| 12:40.16 | ``Erik | heh, decided to give the cats a bath... the boy was upset, the girl was flipping out... she somehow managed to completely remove my shirt during the process O.O |
| 16:43.38 | starseeker | hehe |
| 16:45.22 | starseeker | ooo, flightgear 2.0 |
| 17:15.54 | starseeker | ``Erik: shoulda tried this approach: http://www.jokesaboutcats.net/cats_joke_228.html |
| 17:23.20 | ``Erik | heh, just about the case with the girl O.o she was going nuts.. I'm trying to figure out how I didn't obtain any new scratches |
| 17:23.43 | ``Erik | they're happy now, though... somehow, they're not nearly as staticy |
| 20:27.03 | ``Erik | hm. |
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