| 00:00.33 | Stattrav | well i believe the topic would be "understanding women" :P |
| 00:00.42 | ``Erik | hm, I think a cat has decided I've spent too long at the computer |
| 00:01.23 | ``Erik | if you're looking for BRL-CAD type stuff to do, the NMG code probably needs a *LOT* of documentation, unit testing, etc... |
| 00:01.25 | Stattrav | I recently found a cat in my cupboard, a fat one that too |
| 00:01.40 | ``Erik | "gee, I used to have food, now I have a cat." ? :D |
| 00:02.47 | Stattrav | i dont know how long it was there. i was scared to death, when i opened the cupboard all i could see were two shiny eyes like the ones of cheshire cat from alice |
| 00:03.20 | Stattrav | Shall look into NMGs |
| 00:04.35 | ``Erik | better than having a cat dart under your feet as you walk down the stairs with no lights on and both hands full of expensive electronics... |
| 00:04.56 | ``Erik | <-- has almost gone for an exciting night-time trip with his laptop several times O.o |
| 00:05.43 | Stattrav | a point noted. with a cat buy a decent life insurance and a complete coverage plan for your gadgets :) |
| 00:07.17 | ``Erik | amusingly, I'm mostly gadget free... a bit of a luddite, even |
| 00:07.59 | ``Erik | I have an old cellphone, not an iphone... my TV is a 27" cheap crt, no plasma or high def, ... no interest in an ipad |
| 00:08.25 | ``Erik | but I do have 5 vaccuum cleaners. O.o |
| 00:08.33 | Stattrav | woah |
| 00:08.57 | ``Erik | regular one, 'stick broom' for the stairs, dust buster, 'little green machine' for wet spills, and a shop vac |
| 00:09.19 | Stattrav | i had a very old phone which i had from highschool until recently where my dad sent me a new phone via courier as i wasnt buying onemyself. |
| 00:09.42 | ``Erik | heh |
| 00:10.28 | ``Erik | I had one I bought in 2002, was getting ready to drive around 3000 km alone, so figured it'd be good to get... damaged it in a car accident several years back, so now I'm using a motorola "slvr" |
| 00:10.31 | Stattrav | well i at the moment am 1000$ in debt and have 7000$ of student loans :) I shall buy anything once they are cleared |
| 00:11.02 | ``Erik | heh, I worked my way out of debt, but never started spending money... so now I have a lot in savings |
| 00:12.08 | ``Erik | only debt left is my house mortgage, not exactly an easy one to kill |
| 00:12.44 | Stattrav | :) I am too young for that. |
| 00:14.12 | Stattrav | http://awesome.naquadah.org/images/6mon.medium.png this was the setup i wanted but later realized half of them run irssi anyway no point |
| 00:16.23 | ``Erik | meh, screens are too small |
| 00:16.58 | ``Erik | <-- happy with a 30", two 24", and two 21" displays, with liberal use of screen(1) |
| 00:17.14 | ``Erik | one irssi instance, connected to 4 networks |
| 00:17.19 | Stattrav | hey what scripting do you use for solid modelling ? |
| 00:17.36 | Stattrav | woah woah |
| 00:17.50 | ``Erik | myself? I usually write C... mged is straight up TCL in the command line, turn off command globbing and go |
| 00:18.02 | Stattrav | aah :) |
| 00:18.37 | ``Erik | <-- mostly writes functionality into libraries, is not a gui kinda guy, *shrug* |
| 00:19.01 | ``Erik | if'n ya see my name on a commit that does touch user interface, it's just to test the library code I wrote... :D |
| 00:19.24 | Stattrav | i was wondering as a lisp beginner, if i could use lisp so as to get more practice |
| 00:19.54 | Stattrav | I am a math guy mostly |
| 00:20.47 | ``Erik | heh, there has been discussion about using swig on our library functions... so CL or scheme bindings could be generated |
| 00:20.51 | Stattrav | and i dont know where my engineering major is fitting in the whole scenario |
| 00:20.53 | ``Erik | I'm an old scheme weenie who |
| 00:21.10 | Stattrav | yeah you told me :) |
| 00:21.13 | ``Erik | who's been getting heavy into CL lately, starseeker is a CL weenie who's been learning C for BRL-CAD |
| 00:21.28 | ``Erik | brlcad likes to pretend he has a clue because he wrote some emacs lisp once... |
| 00:21.35 | ``Erik | :D he's so gonna kick my ass |
| 00:21.42 | Stattrav | lol |
| 00:22.28 | ``Erik | I've kinda been tempted to start a new toplevel in the subversion repo... clbrlcad (to parody jbrlcad) |
| 00:22.37 | Stattrav | lol |
| 00:22.46 | Stattrav | i dont like java much |
| 00:23.16 | ``Erik | which java? that word refers to half a dozen things |
| 00:23.38 | Stattrav | java the programming language |
| 00:23.43 | ``Erik | java the language is pretty crappy, java the virtual machine is pretty nifty, java the security model is... interesting |
| 00:23.50 | ``Erik | java the hut has a slave leia, so it's all good |
| 00:24.46 | Stattrav | i dont have much idea about the security model though. i am assuming this might be the reason the entire IT industry is a fan of it |
| 00:24.59 | ``Erik | no |
| 00:25.23 | ``Erik | sun said "it's really good!" and spent a buttload of money marketting it back when sun had a buttload of money and some relavance |
| 00:25.35 | ``Erik | so schools started churning out cheap "java developers" |
| 00:25.43 | ``Erik | so managers start hiring cheap "java developers" |
| 00:26.13 | ``Erik | so now there're a lot of projects in java that shouldn't be in java, a lot of "developers" who shouldn't be called developers, ... |
| 00:26.36 | Stattrav | well every year until last year, my school had compulsory java course to all the engg/science stream folks |
| 00:26.40 | ``Erik | check out "clojure" |
| 00:26.44 | Stattrav | this year they are back to C |
| 00:26.48 | ``Erik | common lisp on the JVM |
| 00:27.01 | ``Erik | um, MIT just switched to python I think |
| 00:27.04 | Stattrav | yeah I enrolled into a clojure course which starts on 15th this month |
| 00:27.41 | ``Erik | see, I generally favored scheme, so SISC was the jvm impl I was looking at more, but UCW has me looking really hard at CL |
| 00:28.24 | Stattrav | UCW ? |
| 00:28.30 | ``Erik | "uncommon web" |
| 00:28.34 | Stattrav | ohh |
| 00:28.38 | ``Erik | continuation based web framework |
| 00:29.10 | ``Erik | (I happen to be in #lisp, #ucw, #lispgames, ... :D ) |
| 00:29.15 | Stattrav | there are some amazing web sites which have been built on that. |
| 00:29.26 | Stattrav | www.cleartrip.com is one. |
| 00:30.00 | Stattrav | atleast they were on it. |
| 00:30.17 | Stattrav | aah it shall take me time to get into lisp properly. |
| 00:30.27 | Stattrav | Just started writing macros :) |
| 00:31.02 | ``Erik | macro's are nifty, lisps are 'dirty' compared to schemes |
| 00:31.38 | ``Erik | at least you understand the word 'macro', unlike a c/c++ developer ;D |
| 00:32.15 | ``Erik | continuations are NOT built into CL, but are available as a package and part of scheme... those're... scary awesome |
| 00:32.30 | Stattrav | lol |
| 00:32.45 | Stattrav | i just started understanding |
| 00:32.51 | ``Erik | I had to implement short circuiting boolean operators to start understanding the awesomeness of continuations |
| 00:33.18 | Stattrav | well i am just trying to develop skills most of my college life has been spent drunk and stoned ;) |
| 00:33.55 | ``Erik | at least haskell's infinite array stuff is easily grokkable, full continuations (of which haskell's infinite array is a specialization of) takes a bit more to achieve zen |
| 00:34.02 | ``Erik | heh |
| 00:34.44 | Stattrav | i liked the way cl handles arithmetic |
| 00:34.47 | Stattrav | bignums etc |
| 00:35.25 | ``Erik | I dropped out of college after 2 semesters... went back a few years later, had my 21st bday the day before my first final upon returning... but I barely drank during college, the only 'drugs' I did were perscription... got my wisdom teeth out and one shattered |
| 00:35.55 | ``Erik | see, CL is better than C, but having to manually coerce... scheme has a much better developed numerical tower I think |
| 00:36.10 | Stattrav | aah i shall look into that. |
| 00:36.28 | ``Erik | if you add 3 billion and 2 billion... in C, it blows up... in lisp, it blows up if you don't coerce... in scheme, it automatically promotes to bignum |
| 00:36.58 | Stattrav | exactly |
| 00:37.07 | ``Erik | and I can never remember the coerce syntax :D (coerce 'integer 4321534216) ? |
| 00:37.29 | ``Erik | scheme has 7 fundamentals in the numeric tower, btw |
| 00:37.31 | Stattrav | well in lisp if i dint compile it, it blelw up |
| 00:37.40 | Stattrav | and if i did it dint. |
| 00:37.50 | ``Erik | it goes to imaginary numbers, but does not have quaternions natively |
| 00:38.42 | Stattrav | yeah should look into it closely. |
| 00:38.48 | ``Erik | wtf, I gave my cats a can of wet food, 'chunky' fish stuff... they ate a lot of it, but they licked all the gravy stuff off the remaining bits |
| 00:39.03 | Stattrav | lol |
| 00:39.27 | Stattrav | this so reminds me of garfield |
| 00:39.40 | ``Erik | spoiled turds O.o they're not getting more food until they finish what I gave them O.o |
| 00:40.13 | ``Erik | heh, back in the 80's, I used to finish tests really fast so the teachers let me read books while waiting for the rest of the class... |
| 00:40.26 | ``Erik | so I brought garfield books and got in trouble for snickering during class :( |
| 00:40.46 | Stattrav | lol |
| 00:41.27 | ``Erik | did you see the website that took old garfield comics and photoshopped garfield out of them? |
| 00:41.40 | ``Erik | even funnier than the originals in a sad way :D |
| 00:41.46 | Stattrav | My school teachers stopped bothering about me, as i usually did something other than whats going on in the class but still ended up getting decent scores |
| 00:41.55 | Stattrav | i dint, got the link ? |
| 00:42.13 | ``Erik | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/ |
| 00:42.39 | ``Erik | I think I pissed off fellow students at college with my fast test taking |
| 00:43.05 | Stattrav | lol -> in order to reveal the existential angst of a certain young Mr. Jon Arbuckle. |
| 00:43.26 | ``Erik | I remember finishing and leaving early from a test... about ten after teh hour with the test and pre-stuff, ran into a classmate and she assumed that since I was done and leaving and thought it was easy, that it was a trivial test |
| 00:43.36 | ``Erik | think that was an operating systems test... |
| 00:43.41 | ``Erik | (my forte) |
| 00:43.46 | Stattrav | lol |
| 00:44.12 | Stattrav | which school did you go to ? |
| 00:44.23 | ``Erik | not one you've heard of :D SMSU at the time, now called MSU |
| 00:44.27 | ``Erik | missouri |
| 00:44.59 | Stattrav | aah is it miss ole or smthing ? |
| 00:45.08 | ``Erik | huh? |
| 00:45.33 | Stattrav | that is mississippi :P |
| 00:45.42 | ``Erik | yeh |
| 00:45.45 | Stattrav | sorry |
| 00:45.54 | ``Erik | missouri is a slightly different place :D |
| 00:46.24 | ``Erik | missouri is NOT a southern state, it was a noncommitted state during the civil war, even though it passed anti-slavery laws early |
| 00:46.31 | ``Erik | yet it's still full of hillbillys and rednecks |
| 00:47.12 | Stattrav | lol I wouldnt go there then |
| 00:48.03 | ``Erik | most of my personal views are considered "radical left" in the US (got the whole international thing going, the us is awful damn close to iran in terms of freedoms and forward looking notions) |
| 00:48.20 | ``Erik | I felt safe in missouri, I'd be nervous being in non-urban mississippi |
| 00:48.22 | ``Erik | :) |
| 00:49.45 | ``Erik | long hair, goatee, earrings, ... but very white *shrug* friends in missouri who just happened to be black tended to stay low key... this was sticks missouri, not st louis or kansas city |
| 00:49.50 | ``Erik | *shrug* |
| 00:50.55 | ``Erik | (racism, nationalism, prejudice... all incredibly retarded... I'm not sure what's worse, that it exists, or that it's taboo to say that it exists) |
| 00:51.06 | Stattrav | lol imagine being in India |
| 00:51.22 | ``Erik | heh, from what point of view? |
| 00:51.48 | ``Erik | I'd imagine as a 'wealthy' american, india would be quite nice... O.o no? |
| 00:52.07 | Stattrav | money and force get you power and power means everything, and nothing is logical here |
| 00:52.25 | ``Erik | thus the 'wealthy' bit there... :D |
| 00:52.30 | Stattrav | yeah |
| 00:53.01 | ``Erik | korea was really nice, japan was ... interesting... very polite, civil... usually all good, but there were situations where I simply was not japanese... |
| 00:53.22 | Stattrav | it took me 2 long years to get my passport. I got it after my mom went and yelled at the govt officials (she is pretty good at yelling and getting things done) . |
| 00:53.33 | ``Erik | heh |
| 00:54.00 | ``Erik | your mom was your "hired muscle"? O.o |
| 00:54.18 | Stattrav | lol. |
| 00:55.28 | Stattrav | they actually put me down on paper as non-existant citizen |
| 00:55.34 | ``Erik | is a bit sad taht BRL-CAD is not ding GSOC this year :/ woulda done the application himself if he knew it wasn't happening |
| 00:55.50 | Stattrav | same here |
| 00:56.18 | Stattrav | ``Erik: http://suryajith.info/sent-196 <- I blogged abt it too :) |
| 00:56.45 | ``Erik | not that we'd ever turn down interested parties who are able to produce... gsoc was just an extra pinch of sugar |
| 00:57.20 | Stattrav | yups and a lot of money too :) |
| 00:57.31 | ``Erik | (though if I did the application thing, I'd probably ask for 2 slots, not 5) |
| 00:57.37 | ``Erik | heh, depends on where ya are |
| 00:58.02 | ``Erik | um, the gov't and gov't contractor mentors have declined the $'s |
| 00:58.05 | Stattrav | well atleast at as a soc student yes a lot of money. 5k USD half my debts shall be cleared :) |
| 00:58.19 | ``Erik | we do it for the tshirt, uh, I mean, for free and for teh good of OS |
| 00:58.27 | Stattrav | :) |
| 00:59.22 | Stattrav | one of my neighbours in the dorm is a gentoo mentor this year |
| 01:02.39 | ``Erik | has he/she/it seen http://funroll-loops.info/ ? |
| 01:05.56 | Stattrav | lol he must have :) |
| 01:06.19 | ``Erik | (I believe that site was created by a BSD guy... but all the quotes are real) |
| 01:06.46 | Stattrav | lol |
| 01:07.01 | ``Erik | hm, kde.. |
| 01:07.10 | ``Erik | always felt too heavy and fugly for me |
| 01:07.20 | ``Erik | gnome is nice once you take the time to turn off the flashiness |
| 01:07.27 | ``Erik | just like E a long time ago |
| 01:07.36 | Stattrav | awesome is awesome :) |
| 01:07.53 | ``Erik | e13 I think? was unusable out of the box... turn off all the retarded shit, suddenly it was the best around |
| 01:08.04 | ``Erik | default settings are quite important :( |
| 01:08.10 | Stattrav | E was brilliant. was running E on an ubuntu on a blackfinn board |
| 01:10.09 | Stattrav | just sent the link to the gentoo guy ;) |
| 01:10.30 | ``Erik | hehehhe |
| 01:11.16 | ``Erik | hopefully he has a sense of humor ;) |
| 01:12.11 | ``Erik | nah, as far as gui's go, I tend to sit at a mac and ssh into a bsd machine |
| 01:12.15 | Stattrav | well he doesnt :P just to piss him off. We at the moment arent on talking terms after a fight :) |
| 01:12.22 | Stattrav | lol |
| 01:12.28 | ``Erik | apple did a really brilliant job on the user interface |
| 01:12.46 | Stattrav | that is what they say, they made computers dumbproof |
| 01:13.08 | Stattrav | but on the other hand they are expensive |
| 01:13.11 | ``Erik | I was actually going through hoops with afterstep and wmaker to get a 'good' interface through the 90's |
| 01:13.29 | ``Erik | and then apple comes out with almost exactly what I was tweaking to |
| 01:13.39 | Stattrav | the first ever UI i used was of windows 3.0 |
| 01:14.06 | ``Erik | (the dock belongs on the RIGHT, not the bottom. damnit. if you're right handed... if you're left handed, the dock/bar/whatever belongs on the left) |
| 01:14.18 | ``Erik | vertical screen space is valuable, horizontal is cheap |
| 01:14.39 | Stattrav | yup :) |
| 01:14.49 | ``Erik | I've used windows 3.0... 3.1, 3.11, 1.7, ... |
| 01:15.44 | Stattrav | I still remember my dad running computers when i was a kid :P used to boot from a floppy that too a 5 inch one |
| 01:15.45 | ``Erik | my afterstep config had a 'dock' on the right, sliders based on what I thought application relation was |
| 01:16.11 | ``Erik | my wmaker didn't have the slide bar ability, so it had all the 'important' apps on it, in a bar on teh right |
| 01:16.30 | Stattrav | aah. |
| 01:16.53 | ``Erik | on my mac, the dock is on the right, has 3 'critical' apps... one happens to be X11.app with a big xterm running screen |
| 01:17.24 | ``Erik | and in one of the screen shells, I have an ssh client to my 'server', running screen, which contains irssi |
| 01:17.35 | ``Erik | and I'm reasonably happy |
| 01:17.39 | Stattrav | For me its more like what should i get a mac or a fender stratocaster :P |
| 01:17.48 | ``Erik | heh |
| 01:17.50 | ``Erik | which strat? |
| 01:17.55 | Stattrav | american deluxe |
| 01:18.01 | Stattrav | or a buddy guy signature |
| 01:18.19 | ``Erik | <-- has a mexican squier and an american reg with lace pickups and sperzal tuners |
| 01:18.43 | ``Erik | feeding a pod xt live to a marshall JCM2000 |
| 01:18.55 | ``Erik | the, uh, 60watt package beastie |
| 01:19.01 | Stattrav | that is a pretty decent equipment :) |
| 01:19.36 | ``Erik | I keep the mexican down half a step (it's not stock, like, I took time in a machine shop to tweak it) |
| 01:19.39 | Stattrav | i have a cheap ass Ibanez i have been playing for 3-4 years now connected directly into marshall 10W practice amp :P |
| 01:20.01 | ``Erik | the mexican is black with a green marble guard, the american is sunburst with a white guard |
| 01:20.10 | Stattrav | I use a friend's vox many times |
| 01:20.26 | ``Erik | kinda odd, kranking out thrash metal on a very blues looking gitfiddle :D |
| 01:20.34 | ``Erik | ibanez makes some good ones |
| 01:20.51 | ``Erik | marshall makes good tubes, but crate stomps them on solids |
| 01:20.53 | Stattrav | lol well i am more into blues and blues rock |
| 01:21.14 | ``Erik | HAH, I get yelled at for being too blues |
| 01:22.13 | ``Erik | at one point, I was feeding both the marshall and the crate, the marshall had a big solid wall of tone, the crate has a nasty snarling stab your fucking ass tone |
| 01:22.35 | ``Erik | marshall jcm2000 40 and a crate g15xl I think |
| 01:22.47 | Stattrav | wooh i imagine you to be half deaf by now :P |
| 01:22.58 | ``Erik | nooo, I keep the volume low :) |
| 01:23.26 | ``Erik | the marshall was close to the limit trying to keep up with my buddy who drums |
| 01:23.47 | Stattrav | lol |
| 01:23.53 | ``Erik | the crate was just for the extra high end 'pop' |
| 01:24.12 | ``Erik | 30 watts ain't a room dominating piece |
| 01:25.12 | Stattrav | it can get real loud. I play on a 30W vox of my friend's :) |
| 01:25.42 | ``Erik | vox tends to be noisy to start with, no? |
| 01:25.52 | Stattrav | yeah you need to crank it up quite a bit. |
| 01:26.10 | Stattrav | once its hot, man the sound is sweet |
| 01:26.30 | ``Erik | tubies are always awesome when hot |
| 01:26.46 | ``Erik | the marshell takes about 3 minutes to be ok, 15 to be awesome |
| 01:27.04 | ``Erik | sometimes, I just leave it on when I go to work, so it'll be ready when I get back |
| 01:27.25 | Stattrav | aah. :) lol this so sounds like "viagra" |
| 01:27.39 | ``Erik | eh/ |
| 01:27.41 | ``Erik | ? |
| 01:28.38 | Stattrav | like pop a pill go work until you are ready :P |
| 01:28.43 | Stattrav | <bad reference sorry> |
| 01:29.22 | Stattrav | I am terrible at cracking jokes |
| 01:30.54 | Stattrav | Anyways i shall go get a shower and go get breakfast :) a long day ahead. |
| 01:31.31 | Stattrav | ``Erik: nice to talk to you. shall look into nmg and clojure :) |
| 01:32.33 | ``Erik | ok, feel free to throw questions out in channel, if you do decide to work on nmg, good luck :D |
| 01:33.15 | Stattrav | shall look into it first :P |
| 01:34.01 | Stattrav | btw ``Erik how much did marshall jcm cost you ? |
| 01:39.16 | ``Erik | um, I think 800 or 900? |
| 01:39.39 | ``Erik | don't quite remember... I had a friend drive me to the shop and spent $2k in a sitting |
| 01:39.55 | Stattrav | aah k. thanks |
| 01:43.29 | ``Erik | I got it from guitar center |
| 01:44.11 | ``Erik | http://bavasmusic.com.au/store/marshall-dsl401-p-3245.html |
| 01:44.23 | ``Erik | that's the thing |
| 01:44.36 | ``Erik | those're aussie dollars fwiw |
| 01:51.22 | ``Erik | Stattrav: check out, um, http://news.ycombinator.com/newest |
| 01:51.26 | ``Erik | I think it might jive with ya |
| 01:52.05 | ``Erik | mostly, it's /. but better... but it does have an interesting "run my own business" side to it |
| 01:52.24 | ``Erik | opposed to the US politics aspect /. has started on |
| 01:54.25 | Stattrav | :) |
| 01:55.54 | Stattrav | yeah now /. caters to a wider audience |
| 02:00.29 | ``Erik | no, I don't think so |
| 02:00.40 | ``Erik | it caters to what taco is interested in |
| 02:00.52 | ``Erik | and his interest has shifted from tech geek stuff to US politics |
| 02:01.29 | ``Erik | HN is very community driven, there are no 'editors', just upvotes and downvotes |
| 02:01.34 | ``Erik | kinda, uh, digg for geeks |
| 02:01.35 | ``Erik | ? |
| 02:01.53 | Stattrav | aah :) |
| 02:02.42 | Stattrav | but a nice array of articles out there. |
| 02:07.52 | ``Erik | it's a good site... 'good' stories on /. are usually on hn the day before |
| 02:08.12 | ``Erik | and if you have any thoughts about entrepeneurship, it's right there for ya |
| 02:08.33 | Stattrav | yeah |
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| 03:11.14 | Fade | does brlcad care what system of measures is in use? |
| 03:11.40 | ``Erik | internally, BRL-CAD uses mm |
| 03:11.55 | ``Erik | but we provide trnaslation capabilties in the gui |
| 03:18.05 | Fade | ah, cool |
| 03:18.10 | Fade | <-- thinks in metric |
| 03:18.11 | Fade | :) |
| 03:18.41 | ``Erik | the isst stuff is in meters, but BRL-CAD's internals are all mm |
| 03:19.01 | Fade | nods |
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