IRC log for #brlcad on 20100427

01:28.16 starseeker auuuugh
01:28.21 starseeker distcheck fails
01:28.31 starseeker ../../bench/run.sh: line 594: 17654 Trace/BPT trap $RT -s1 -F/dev/debug ${DB}/moss.g LIGHT > /dev/null 2>&1
01:28.34 starseeker ERROR: RT does not seem to work as expected
01:28.37 starseeker *** BENCHMARK TESTING FAILED ***
01:43.15 starseeker hmm - distcheck seems rather happy, on the Mac...
01:43.19 starseeker er rtgl rather
01:43.24 starseeker distcheck not happy
02:10.04 CIA-73 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r38797 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: Start making notes on RTGL todo tasks.
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02:36.55 brlcad hrm, do all the benchark rt's fail?
02:37.12 starseeker dunno - it haults there
02:37.20 brlcad what's the config line?
02:37.23 brlcad and what plat?
02:37.34 starseeker just after the start of make benchmark
02:37.42 starseeker regular make benchmark fails too
02:37.49 starseeker re-checking last STABLE sync now
02:38.51 brlcad <PROTECTED>
02:39.59 starseeker $ ../brlcad/configure --enable-all --with-ogl --enable-rtgl --prefix=...
02:40.35 starseeker oh, sorry - OSX
02:44.07 starseeker blinks - r38777 failed
02:45.15 starseeker yeah... all the local raytraces died, same way
02:45.32 starseeker Trace/BPT trap
02:50.18 starseeker if I try just plain rt from the bench directory:
02:50.20 starseeker ../src/rt/rt
02:50.22 starseeker dyld: Symbol not found: __cg_png_create_info_struct
02:54.52 starseeker tries putting PNG_CPPFLAGS before TCL_CPPFLAGS in the rt Makefile.am...
03:09.27 brlcad ah, that's relatively benign - can quell it by doing a make install before benchmark
03:09.49 brlcad it's getting the wrong libpng at runtime
03:20.07 starseeker do we need to alter the distcheck target then?
03:20.26 starseeker or just work around it by doing the make install by hand?
03:20.55 brlcad it's a temporary new-mac-specific issue
03:21.22 brlcad could look for a work-around so it just works but it's a valid search-path problem
03:21.51 brlcad it's only defaults to searching because it can't find the one it was compiled for (because it's not installed)
03:21.59 starseeker nods
03:22.03 brlcad otherwise, an annoyance, but a non-issue
03:22.26 starseeker k
03:45.35 starseeker eyes OpenGL Framebuffer Objects...
03:57.32 brlcad our framebuffer objects, or some other lib?
03:57.51 starseeker guess it's an extension
03:58.23 starseeker is a bit baffled - we've got all sorts of glFlush calls where I would expect them to be, but none of them do anything...
03:59.16 starseeker was actually curious about this: http://oss.sgi.com/projects/ogl-sample/registry/EXT/framebuffer_object.txt
04:05.02 starseeker looks like it's about 4/5 years old - wonder how widespread support for it is?
04:07.01 starseeker http://www.opengl3.org/wiki/GL_EXT_framebuffer_object
04:11.21 starseeker glxinfo reports it present on both OSX and Linux here...
04:14.52 CIA-73 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r38798 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: Add a note to investigate GL_EXT_framebuffer_object to see if it can be of use in libfb
04:24.37 starseeker heads home
04:27.38 CIA-73 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r38799 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (11 files in 9 dirs): go through %zu for size_t's for those that go through our libbu functions (given we shouldn't rely on stdio func supporting %z). better for avoiding type cast. related to staching/unstashing pointers, go through %p
04:31.01 CIA-73 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r38800 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libfb/if_wgl.c: missed if_wgl in the %p printing changes. add accordingly.
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11:25.38 d-lo Mernin all
11:27.29 CIA-73 BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r38801 10/rt^3/trunk/tests/GS/GeometryServiceTest.cxx: Simple typo fix.
11:27.29 d-lo is it just me or is SF's SVN a LOT faster all of a sudden?
11:29.46 d-lo I noticed that the executable: brlcad-config doesn't exist on windows... at least not in the 7.14.8 windows version (most recent)
11:31.27 d-lo nice: http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/electronic/c427/?cpg=sdq4tet
11:31.31 d-lo I soooo want one.
12:44.44 brlcad you don't want one, you want about 20 to randomly hide
12:45.06 d-lo I've been scoping out the celing panels here at work :)
12:45.08 d-lo muwahahaha
12:46.19 brlcad brlcad-config is presently a script so you'd need mingw/cygwin on windows or it'd need to get turned into a binary (been discussed before)
12:46.38 d-lo okie
12:46.53 d-lo is there a windows equivlient way of getting version numbers?
12:49.17 brlcad depends in what context
12:49.25 brlcad there are some api functions that return version information
12:49.47 brlcad there was a long discussion on the mailing list about why compile-time version numbers aren't exposed
12:49.56 brlcad (though that may change)
12:50.18 d-lo okay, in rt3, coreInterface uses brlcad-config in cmake to obtain brlcad version info and set it as a variable, then write it to a header file.
12:50.28 brlcad brlcad-config is generally the expected way
12:50.34 brlcad so it just needs to be ported
12:50.48 d-lo 'it' being brlcad-config?
12:50.55 brlcad yes
12:50.58 d-lo kk
12:51.13 brlcad though writing the version to a header is bad form too.. :)
12:51.53 d-lo since coreInterface and GS are not interlocked quite yet, I plan on making coreInterface a cmake option.
12:51.56 brlcad otherwise we could have just written the version ourselves to our own header .. but that gives compile time preprocessor versions, which are what trying to avoid
12:52.12 brlcad coreInterface==GE
12:52.36 d-lo coreInterface==GE eventually, but not right now. ;)
12:52.46 brlcad it's the closest to it
12:53.07 brlcad it should be pushed closer towards that, not farther
12:53.19 d-lo no one is pushing it anywyere, yet.
12:53.30 d-lo wow i really am having a bad typing day
12:53.36 brlcad then why bother making it optional? :)
12:54.00 d-lo because it messes up the compile on windows currently.
12:54.16 brlcad in what way?
12:54.24 brlcad just brlcad-config?
12:54.31 d-lo yes.
12:55.06 d-lo and until I get to 'find a fix for the brlcad-config/windows/coreInterface' on the TODO list, I need to make it optional
12:55.11 d-lo temporary like.
12:55.29 d-lo Unless there is a very quick fix for this?
12:56.12 brlcad the problem is that is wasted effort though, and work that someone else will have to undo -- the "quick fix" that is not so quick overall for everyone
12:56.46 brlcad this is one of those cases where feature-wise, the nxt requirement is hit and refactor is needed
12:57.03 d-lo so its better for me to just locally edit the cmake files and take coreInterface out of th ebuild whenever I am working on windows?
12:57.25 d-lo ...at least until a fix is put in?
12:58.33 brlcad well that's certainly an option, but not a refactor path
12:58.52 brlcad what woudl the minimal "next step" (referring to last week's talks) be?
12:59.04 brlcad considering it necessary code
12:59.44 brlcad given you've encountered a refactor point, needing it to compile on windows and linux
12:59.54 d-lo next step as in MY next step or the next step toward fixing this issue?
13:00.15 brlcad they should be one in the same from a project perspective
13:00.28 d-lo yes and no.
13:00.30 brlcad else code turds get left by others for others :)
13:00.55 d-lo 'code turd' .... gotta write that one down.
13:01.01 brlcad everyone picks up poop on a healthy project, even if it's not your dog
13:01.33 d-lo build on windows is not 'required' for my next delieverable, which am trying to get to asap
13:01.52 d-lo but I work on windows every Monday, so it is a bit of an issue for me.
13:02.40 brlcad it's a reasonable need just based on your workflow -- so what's the next step?
13:03.30 brlcad so unless you want to change your workflow, the shortest path to get it working on both
13:04.37 d-lo I dunno :) Was going to ask your esspert opinion today.
13:05.00 d-lo I am not familiar enough with the brlcad code base to know if there is an easy solution or not.
13:05.28 brlcad well you've already said what the problem is, it won't build on windows due to brlcad-config getting called
13:05.50 brlcad so then a few options should come to mind directly on that thought line
13:06.47 d-lo right, I get that the port of brlcad-config is an option. But you mentioned that the whole 'header' approach is suboptimal anyways.
13:06.55 brlcad figuring out a minimal "next step" doesn't usually require domain knowledge, you don't need to know brl-cad code base
13:07.22 brlcad yeah, porting brlcad config is an option, but definitely not the minimal next step
13:07.33 brlcad I'd expect that'd take a couple hours to port
13:07.53 brlcad there's a couple much faster options
13:10.13 d-lo Hrm, I am looking at the coreInterface code now.
13:10.28 d-lo doesn't look like it uses the version information for anything
13:10.39 brlcad more thought process for you (where I was leading towards) .. delegation is always an option, get someone else to port/change/fix the problem
13:10.42 brlcad in this case could be asking the person that wrote brlcad-config (me) to port it to windows, or asking the person that used brlcad-config (daniel) to make it work on windows
13:10.53 brlcad another option is often removal/simplification
13:11.09 brlcad replace brlcad-config with a constant
13:11.32 brlcad it becomes a refactor point down the road the moment that the version changes again and portability can be revisited
13:12.09 brlcad the simplest next step you have control over is simplification, the 'best' next step from a forward progress would probably be getting "someone else" to fix it
13:14.15 d-lo I'm not sure I know of anyone with time/care to fix it :)
13:15.03 CIA-73 BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r38802 10/rt^3/trunk/TODO: Update TODO list. Core Interface requires the use of brlcad-config to generate 'brlcadversion.h' via cmake. brlcad-config is not present on windows brlcad builds, thus coreInterface will not build on windows.
13:15.53 CIA-73 BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r38803 10/rt^3/trunk/src/utility/Logger.cxx: Clean up a trailing ':' from the Timestamp in the logger.
13:16.45 brlcad which is fine
13:18.09 brlcad agility on next step decision making isn't to achieve the "best" solution that you would want/design, it's the minimal effort decision that always moves things forward
13:18.54 brlcad replacing it with a constant is perfectly viable and absurdly minimal effort, and raises the point more evident that something better is needed
13:19.48 d-lo kk, now for another question: Where/how does this task get tracked so it will be revisted later?
13:20.11 d-lo or is it assumed that the natural course of developement will eventually demand this issue get worked?
13:20.16 brlcad CONTRIBUTOR RESPONSIBILITIES .. point #2 (in HACKING)
13:20.35 brlcad Bugs, typos, and compilation errors are to be expected as part of
13:20.35 brlcad the process of active software development and documentation, but it
13:20.35 brlcad is ultimately unacceptable to allow them to persist. If it is
13:20.35 brlcad discovered that a recent modification introduces a new problem, such
13:20.35 brlcad as causing a compilation portability failure, then it is the
13:20.38 brlcad responsibility of the contributor that introduced the change to assist
13:20.40 brlcad in resolving the issue promptly. It is the responsibility of all
13:20.43 brlcad developers to address issues as they are encountered regardless of who
13:20.45 brlcad introduces the problem.
13:23.14 brlcad it gets added to TODO, but you have it right -- natural course of development will demand a next step refactoring usually pretty quickly when simplification is selected
13:23.22 d-lo kk
13:23.59 d-lo its kinda disheartening, looking at all that needs to be done.... expecially now that I have learned enough to see the enormity of things :)
13:25.44 brlcad all the more reason to KISS the code ;)
13:26.28 brlcad I'm sure some of the things that "need" to be done don't actually need to be done too :)
13:26.56 brlcad woot, gsoc student selections announced
13:27.09 d-lo did bzflag apply this year?
13:27.57 brlcad no
13:29.06 CIA-73 BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r38804 10/rt^3/trunk/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Finish up minimal config loading system.
13:29.27 CIA-73 BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r38805 10/rt^3/trunk/include/utility/Config.h: Whoops, forgot the config.h changes.
13:29.51 d-lo and yes, some of the 'needed' things are not 'needed'. But since I lack experience, I figure some of these things out as I go ;)
13:31.59 d-lo besides brlcad-config, is there any other place to programatically get version info?
13:32.25 brlcad well when you're working on a bit of code, just ask yourself how bad things would things really be (right now) if you ripped it out, or replaced it with something far more simple
13:33.38 d-lo basically, that is what I have been doing.
13:33.49 d-lo I put together a 'sprint to the finish' todo list this weekend.
13:34.02 d-lo I'd like to have a minimal implementation of my deliverable by friday
13:34.50 brlcad there are library version routines, bu_version(), bn_version(), rt_version() that return strings
13:34.57 brlcad one for each lib
13:35.08 brlcad that gives run-time versioning
13:35.32 d-lo And I should assume that they are not necessarily going to all be the same?
13:35.47 brlcad that could be extended to be more generally useful (like run-time versioning that returns the numbers in a more usable non-string form)
13:36.03 brlcad depends what you're using the version numbers for
13:36.59 d-lo from what I have gathered, coreInterface (cI) reads the version info, as a string, out of brlcad-config and then dumps it into brlcad/brlcadversion.h as a set of DEFINEs
13:37.21 brlcad they are separate products, so there's no reason they have to be the same, but certainly are now as we only release as a unified package
13:38.18 brlcad I'd read up on the mailing list discussion before talking that issue directly
13:39.04 d-lo 'that issue' being what cI is doing and why?
13:39.50 brlcad right, and the status of versioning in the brlcad module as well, why that's even necessary and what other options we have
13:40.08 brlcad certainly not something for this week with a sprint path layed out
13:40.22 d-lo kk
13:40.25 brlcad simplification or delegation
13:40.28 brlcad or both :)
13:40.58 brlcad given you only deal with it on windows, it's technically not an issue at the moment, right? :)
13:41.05 brlcad not till next monday
13:41.26 d-lo this whole simpilification thing is making the OCD in me very angry lol
13:41.33 d-lo correct :)
13:42.54 brlcad it's a hard skill to learn, but next step minimal refactoring usually pays off huge in the long term, especially as new devs get involved but even before then
13:43.15 d-lo I can see how ;)
13:43.22 d-lo easier said than done though.
13:43.31 brlcad yeah
14:19.00 d-lo anyone have a spare 30-40' of CAT-5?
14:24.08 CIA-73 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r38806 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: compile-time version management needs some lovin'.
14:38.21 CIA-73 BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r38807 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/archer/ (Archer.tcl ArcherCore.tcl): Activate the horizontal scrollbar for the tree view. Update node colorization in the list view for things being drawn. Adjust the width of the tree view's column #0.
14:58.42 CIA-73 BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r38808 10/rt^3/trunk/include/libNetwork/INetMsgHandler.h: Drop cstr/dstr for an Interface. Also forgot an include.
15:22.28 brlcad not any more
15:23.03 brlcad can pick up a spool at HDepot for pretty cheap
15:23.23 d-lo kk just askin around
15:27.57 d-lo should GS be in its own namespace?
15:35.10 CIA-73 BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r38809 10/rt^3/trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Add Exception subclass that provides simplistic logging.
15:52.01 CIA-73 BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r38810 10/rt^3/trunk/include/GS/GSCommon.h: WS, Formatting.
15:52.41 CIA-73 BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r38811 10/rt^3/trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Implement NewSessionReqMsg. Carries uname/password payload.
15:54.09 CIA-73 BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r38812 10/rt^3/trunk/src/libNetwork/: Modified SVN:IGNORE, added *.backup
16:20.58 brlcad thinks he'll have better luck finishing tagging/posting if he just does it now before going in
16:23.10 brlcad GS eventually could be, but wouldn't worry about it for now as it's just more typing
16:23.33 d-lo agreed. Was just an idle thought.
16:23.54 brlcad GS isn't an API, so it's technically not necessary either way
16:24.00 brlcad GE on the other hand, should
16:24.41 brlcad daniel's stuff is already set up nicely in that regard
16:34.50 d-lo gawd its cold in here.
16:59.39 CIA-73 BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r38813 10/rt^3/trunk/ (include/GS/Session.h src/GS/Session.cxx): Add account id field to Session.
17:15.36 CIA-73 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r38814 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/mged/man.tcl: Let's try the utf-8 encoding in MGED's man viewer routine
17:22.17 starseeker brlcad: the win32 windows build fails on common.h - can't open stdint.h (via Bob)
17:28.58 CIA-73 BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r38815 10/rt^3/trunk/ (32 files in 3 dirs): Add a origin field to NetMsg and all subclasses.
17:45.17 d-lo hangs chicken bones on his monitor to see if that helps SourceForge svn go any faster.
17:45.23 CIA-73 BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r38816 10/rt^3/trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Combined getNextMsg() and peekNextMsg() into getNextMsg(bool peek = false) to simplify code.
17:45.34 d-lo it worked! :)
17:47.53 brlcad more ws woes
17:48.22 starseeker brlcad: should Bob dig into the common.h issue?
17:48.31 starseeker or is that the ws woes?
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17:49.27 brlcad ws woes are just with dave's editor reformatting a file when he edits it
17:49.32 starseeker ah
17:49.41 brlcad diff was useless
17:50.13 d-lo oh noes!
17:50.40 d-lo I'll seperate out the formatting into their own commits.
17:50.44 d-lo would that help?
17:50.49 brlcad yeah
17:50.53 d-lo kk, will do
17:51.35 d-lo just as a warning, there will be a few more since I have a queue of things to commit still :/
17:52.03 starseeker d-lo: hence the motivator to commit early and often ;-)
17:52.03 brlcad no prob
17:52.16 d-lo no not really ;)
17:52.19 CIA-73 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r38817 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libfb/if_X24.c: sanity test failure. %p on a scanf requires a pointer to a pointer.
17:52.37 d-lo more like bringing a change to completion, then commiting.
17:52.53 brlcad yep
17:53.15 brlcad or committing even more frequently (per file) as changes are made
17:53.27 d-lo ..even it it breaks the build?
17:54.09 starseeker d-lo: in that case I'll sometimes comment out the code for commmit
17:54.12 brlcad depends if you have to collaborate/cooperate
17:56.55 CIA-73 BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r38818 10/rt^3/trunk/ (include/GS/AccountManager.h src/GS/AccountManager.cxx): Implement basic account cred checking.
17:57.36 starseeker apparently the Windows compiler defines __STDC__ even though stdint.h isn't present, and that's getting it past the if on line 115 of common.h
18:00.17 brlcad ahh, okay -- hadn't gotten round-trip back to windows just yet, was still refixing *nix from the last round
18:00.20 brlcad only reason haven't tagged yet
18:00.29 CIA-73 BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r38819 10/rt^3/trunk/ (include/GS/SessionManager.h src/GS/SessionManager.cxx): Make SessionManager implement INetMsgHandler. Add a quint32 to Session* map to SessionManager.
18:00.59 brlcad d-lo: I think you have the right idea -- it's just making each commit being a succint "one thing" by itself
18:01.28 d-lo I've been trying to work from the "it needs to compile prior to commiting" mantra
18:01.29 brlcad reformatting/ws/indent go well together
18:02.16 brlcad making sure it compiles is a good mantra
18:02.39 brlcad so like adding your origin field to NetMsg is a good "one thing"
18:02.52 brlcad you could do those all together, but it requires restraint to make sure that's the only thing
18:03.53 starseeker can we leave teh SIZE_T test but remove the __STDC__ test?
18:03.53 starseeker __STDC__ by itself doesn't seem to be sufficient
18:03.53 starseeker er __SIZE_TYPE__ test rather
18:04.26 d-lo thinks its Blues Brothers time.
18:04.33 starseeker Tom's email said both __STDC__ and __SIZE_TYPE__ macros triggered inclusion
18:04.44 starseeker OK...
18:06.10 brlcad I can sort that out
18:06.59 brlcad you can do some GUI testing if you're willing, make sure mged comes up, sketch editor comes up, rtwizard starts, rt within mged works, etc
18:07.15 brlcad almost done with this last mac build
18:07.50 starseeker __STDC__ is coming from config_win.h
18:08.27 CIA-73 BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r38820 10/rt^3/trunk/ (include/GS/GeometryService.h src/GS/GeometryService.cxx): Add slot for receiving and handling NetPortal's msgReady signal. Implement handleNetMsg(...) and round NewSessionReqMsg to SessionManager.
18:10.24 brlcad yeah, that's bad juju in config_win.h
18:10.34 brlcad the fix, though, is probably even more simple
18:11.00 brlcad since windows has a set config header, it should include pstdint.h
18:16.01 brlcad ah, neat debug output on writing out the nged pages
18:16.16 brlcad especially with parallel
18:17.56 CIA-73 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r38821 10/brlcad/trunk/include/config_win.h: windows doesn't provide stdint.h so always pre-include pstdint.h for those types. should prevent common.h from performing an include.
18:19.14 CIA-73 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r38822 10/brlcad/trunk/include/config_win.h: er, it's not a system header, use double quotes on pstdint.h
18:22.30 CIA-73 BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r38823 10/rt^3/trunk/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Modify INetMsgHandler::handleNetMsg(...) to require a pointer to NetPortal of origin.
18:42.23 CIA-73 BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r38824 10/rt^3/trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Implement SessionInfoMsg for use to inform requester of current Session Information or to tell requester that a new session has been created.
18:51.37 CIA-73 BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r38825 10/rt^3/trunk/src/libNetwork/NetMsgFactory.cxx: Changes to the MsgType macros and the implementation of several NetMsg subclasses warrant updating of the NetMsgFactory
18:59.19 CIA-73 BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r38826 10/rt^3/trunk/src/GS/SessionManager.cxx: Finish implementing new Session Request.
19:03.16 CIA-73 BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r38827 10/rt^3/trunk/include/GS/GSCommon.h: Forgot to add the new AUTHENTICATION_FAILED error code.
19:03.36 CIA-73 BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r38828 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/archer/ArcherCore.tcl: Added an opendb command to ArcherCore.
19:46.49 d-lo ``Erik: you have a fbsd version of choice?
19:47.36 CIA-73 BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r38829 10/rt^3/trunk/tests/GS/ (CMakeLists.txt GeometryServiceTest.cxx): Begin filling in specifics of GeometryClient.
19:48.55 ``Erik "most recent stable" is usually what I go with, I think that's 8.0 right now
19:49.26 d-lo awesome stuff.
19:49.38 d-lo I'll try to DL a version and play with it when I get home.
19:49.45 ``Erik cool beans
19:56.09 ``Erik I usually get the minimal disc image, install, get cvsup, then sync sources and build/upgrade right away
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20:39.27 CIA-73 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r38830 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/ (dozoom.c mged_dm.h usepen.c): remove ndrawn indirection as it just obfuscates code by making ndrawn seem like a global.
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21:13.15 CIA-73 BRL-CAD: 03r_weiss * r38831 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/obj-g_new.c: testing nmg creation, refactoring, cleanup
22:14.19 brlcad finds major piggishness in dm-X during release testing
23:51.40 starseeker O.o
23:51.47 starseeker hrrrrm
23:55.00 starseeker rt -F/dev/ogls succeeds on OSX where -F/dev/ogl does not
23:55.31 starseeker both slow on Redhat

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