IRC log for #brlcad on 20100523

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01:51.07 yukonbob hello, #brlcad :)
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04:15.47 starseeker hmm
04:16.18 starseeker autoconf-gl-macros author apparently chose that particular license because it's the license of GNU Autoconf
04:16.57 starseeker figures this is one of those fine points...
04:17.19 starseeker we use autoconf, but don't bundle it in the tree
04:17.56 starseeker so autoconf being GPL + exception isn't an issue
04:18.32 starseeker but it would be an issue if (for whatever reason) we hand to bundle it into src/other...
04:22.22 starseeker hmm... that exception clause makes me wonder a bit... it says the output scripts aren't restricted, but what about a configure.ac file that calls autoconf functions? Is the configure.ac required to be GPL, but the resulting configure is not?
04:23.14 starseeker blegh. time for bed
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11:20.43 ``Erik neat regex http://www.ex-parrot.com/pdw/Mail-RFC822-Address.html
11:57.26 starseeker O.o
11:57.40 starseeker figures it'd be a Perl module
12:00.15 ``Erik hell of a regex, though... those perl guys are naturals at obfuscated code
12:02.21 ``Erik hrm, this is lame, sbcl (or :uffi) doesn't bother with perror() :/
12:02.33 ``Erik Error opening shared object "/Users/erik/src/cl/cl-sdl/build/sdlstub.dylib": dlopen(3) failed.
12:02.49 starseeker hmm
12:02.51 ``Erik yet I can dlopen and dlsym stuff just fine from C
12:04.19 ``Erik ok, uffi has no notion of dlopen itself, it wraps the implementations shtuff, so sbcl is being the stinker
12:04.44 ``Erik that makes me a sad panda O.o
12:05.09 starseeker that'll be some wacky debugging
12:05.13 ``Erik heh
12:05.29 ``Erik <-- is extracting and configuring the source for sbcl right now. Gets to try modifying it. :/
12:14.47 ``Erik sucks that swig has no notion of callback definition
12:31.10 starseeker notes Cliff Stoll has begun posting to Slashdot - wow, an event that might actually increase rather than decrease the quality of Slashdot
12:31.28 starseeker tries to recall the last time something like that happened...
12:38.56 ``Erik *think* /. kinda jumped the shark about when user accounts were added
12:39.31 ``Erik <-- 745, is allowed to have that opinion, get off my lawn :D
12:41.39 ``Erik have to pick up a couple things from http://www.kleinbottle.com/
12:58.23 ``Erik heh, lame, sbcl's build does some dirty tricks with file outputs O.o *hackhackhack*
13:06.58 starseeker eyes tclConfig.sh... that'll probably... change when libtool is in play
13:07.48 starseeker wishes he new whether he cared about all the SHLIB stuff...
13:10.41 ``Erik odd, "no such file or directory", c&p the string passed in and ls it, it exists :/
13:10.48 starseeker O.o
13:11.06 starseeker ``Erik: what username did you go for on slashdot? (if I want to know)
13:12.02 ``Erik probably some silliness with all this NSAddImage stuff :/
13:12.13 ``Erik my name with a dot in the middle
13:12.24 starseeker ah, nice and straightforward :-)
13:12.37 ``Erik or, wait, no, space, it allowed spaces
13:15.45 starseeker might have done that, but was early in his internet days and was still kinda spooked by the whole thing
13:16.56 ``Erik dusts off his g4 powerbook pro O.o
13:17.05 ``Erik yeah, I'd gotten over being spooked by that point
13:17.56 ``Erik real names can always be gotten one way or another, being excessively evasive just makes ya a target for assholes...
13:18.04 ``Erik well, it does for me, cuz I tend to open my mouth and piss people off... :D
13:18.36 ``Erik <-- still called 'broke' or 'bman' by some people *shrug* :)
13:20.22 starseeker heh - now I'm just too lazy to change
13:20.56 starseeker kinda a silly name, but after a decade it's got some inertia
13:21.24 starseeker thinks his bzflag name was one of his better name choices...
13:21.39 ``Erik being?
13:21.48 starseeker TankingAtTanking
13:21.53 ``Erik in wow, my character names are a bit... odd O.o
13:22.09 ``Erik Hurk (like, the joke death sound from red vs blue), slugeater, dratkcuf, ...
13:22.11 starseeker especially fitting if you've seen me play bzflag...
13:22.14 ``Erik (read the last one backwards)
13:22.23 starseeker heh
13:22.34 ``Erik used to quake as Br0X
13:23.08 starseeker was just one of the anonymous swarm of cannon fodder in quake matches...
13:23.09 ``Erik (which came from Br0kE, which came from BR0keNMAn, cuz it's a damn awesome song and I was lame in '96)
13:23.56 ``Erik in the 80's, it was 'Black Dragon' on bbs's, cuz I was REALLY lame and a kid :D
13:24.11 starseeker :-D
13:24.12 ``Erik and my ascii art attempt at big BD letters came out looking like BO O.o woops
13:24.20 starseeker hehehehe
13:24.37 starseeker ah well, we live and learn
13:25.02 ``Erik 'sides, if I go by Erik, then I get to claim that ray stevens wrote my theme song :D
13:27.06 ``Erik http://www.themadmusicarchive.com/song_details.aspx?SongID=447
13:27.41 ``Erik "Subtle as a chainsaw, lacking all the Social Graces" ... :D
13:36.43 starseeker hehe
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14:31.46 ``Erik yeh, sbcl 1.0.38 might be a bit busted on mac :/
14:31.47 ``Erik lameness
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15:54.52 smaddox hey everyone. Can someone help me compile brlcad for Mac OS X 10.6? I'm having a lot of trouble
15:58.29 ``Erik do you have both X11.app and Xcode installed?
15:59.25 smaddox yes.
16:00.04 smaddox I also have darwin ports installed, and tried to get all the dep's installed, thought I'm not sure if I'm having trouble due to mixing darwin ports libraries with Xcode stuff
16:00.34 ``Erik hm, macports ya mean? :)
16:00.49 ``Erik what's the issue?
16:01.10 smaddox I fail at the same point as this guy:http://old.nabble.com/-brlcad-tracker----brlcad-Support-Requests-2924966---Make-error-in-Snow-Leopard-for-openNURBS-td27003602.html
16:01.22 smaddox http://old.nabble.com/-brlcad-tracker----brlcad-Support-Requests-2924966---Make-error-in-Snow-Leopard-for-openNURBS-td27003602.html
16:01.58 smaddox Although, that is only when I do as suggested in that thread, and use -O2
16:02.11 smaddox usually, I fail at some TK deps
16:02.14 ``Erik are you using the tarball or a subversion checkout?
16:02.20 smaddox tarball
16:02.25 ``Erik hrm, tk deps, try --enable-all in the configure line?
16:02.57 smaddox I also get this configure warning:
16:03.31 smaddox checking for XGetExtensionVersion in -lXi... (cached) no
16:03.32 smaddox configure: }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
16:03.32 smaddox configure: WARNING: X11 support is enabled but the Xi library was not found.
16:03.32 smaddox configure: WARNING: This will likely result in a build failure.
16:03.33 smaddox configure: WARNING: See config.log for details why (look for this comment)
16:03.33 smaddox configure: {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{
16:03.36 ``Erik can you check to see if your'e compiling the step stuff with both -O3 and -ggstabs3? there's a bug in gcc that might be getting triggered
16:04.03 ``Erik ooh, missing libXi might be bad O.o (unfortunately, I don't have 10.6, just 10.2 10.4 and 10.5)
16:04.21 smaddox well, thats the thing, I've installed it in macports
16:04.27 smaddox but it doesn't find it i guess
16:04.50 smaddox can I just point it to it somehow? or will that cause problems with using a different X11
16:04.51 ``Erik you might have to do something with CPPFLAGS and LDFLAGS or something to get it to see the stuff in /opt/local
16:06.29 ``Erik seeing if the /opt/local/{include,lib} stuff is getting in there might be useful... *shrug*
16:07.41 smaddox hmm.. how do I do that.
16:07.57 ``Erik crank up config.log in vim or emacs and search? :D
16:08.04 smaddox k
16:09.11 smaddox ok, so I guess /opt/local/lib and /opt/local/include aren't in my path. I'll try adding them
16:11.06 ``Erik the INSTALL file has some notes around line 600 or so
16:15.31 smaddox well I added /opt/local/lib and /opt/local/include, but it still isn't finding libxi
16:15.41 smaddox how do you updatedb in mac os x?
16:16.12 ``Erik just like fbsd... :D /usr/libexec/locate.updatedb
16:16.47 smaddox thx
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16:19.49 smaddox well, colloquy just crashed and I lost all your suggestions
16:20.03 smaddox what IRC app do you use on mac os x?
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16:21.52 ``Erik heh, I ssh into a fbsd machine and run irssi (used to be bx)
16:23.00 ``Erik the INSTALL file, around like 600 has some info
16:30.26 smaddox gah, why does everything have to be so different from linux
16:30.41 ``Erik because linux is so different from everyone else... :D
16:31.01 ``Erik might as well be asking why everything is backwards from windows ;) *duck*
16:31.15 smaddox heh
16:33.09 ``Erik one example to mkae that point is 'jot', goes back to the 70's, works the same on bsd, solaris, hpux, aix, mac, ... but linux doesn't have it. linux has 'seq', which is almost the same, but has a couple differences in input order and meaning...
16:35.45 smaddox well, you know what they say about intuitive interfaces
16:36.54 ``Erik <-- sitting with two macipples on his table here :D
16:37.18 ``Erik (the small fast new one dedicated to WoW right now)
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17:10.42 smaddox well, I cleaned the configuration cache, and that got rid of the libXi warning
17:10.50 smaddox well, that and I ran autogen.sh
17:10.55 smaddox not really sure which did it
17:15.52 smaddox YAY! It compiled!
17:16.18 smaddox now, should I try to compile with optimizations?
17:16.45 smaddox uh oh.. benchmark failed
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17:29.34 ``Erik what'd it fail on?
17:29.59 smaddox RT
17:30.13 smaddox not sure what exactly, it's probably out of the buffer by now
17:30.23 smaddox i'm recompiling with --enable-optimized
17:32.14 Nohla ``Erik bad news, cant find the translations
17:33.21 Nohla if they're not hidden in some place at the repo, I'll have to do it again
17:50.34 smaddox ``Erik so it still failed to benchmark
17:50.48 smaddox Using [./../sh/elapsed.sh] for ELP
17:50.48 smaddox ./run.sh: line 594: 65957 Trace/BPT trap $RT -s1 -F/dev/debug ${DB}/moss.g LIGHT > /dev/null 2>&1
17:50.51 smaddox ERROR: RT does not seem to work as expected
17:50.54 smaddox *** BENCHMARK TESTING FAILED ***
17:50.56 smaddox make[1]: *** [run] Error 1
17:50.59 smaddox make: *** [benchmark] Error 2
18:36.27 starseeker eyes the Tk configure.in file and turns a bit pale
19:11.42 ``Erik heh
19:11.55 ``Erik so much ugly for so little actually accomplished, no? :D
19:19.43 ``Erik where the heck is my rubber mallet? I just used a claw hammer and a wadded up rag on my poor car O.o
19:22.41 ``Erik (reseating the strut caps, soon they'll go away and the brace will be there instead)
19:49.26 ``Erik <-- has no idea what nohla has lost :/
19:50.18 ``Erik smaddox: any luck?
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20:34.11 ``Erik jesica: which translations? which repo?
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22:36.07 smaddox ``Erik: well the benchmark doesn't get past the first test, but i tried installing it anyway. No luck, though. mged just crashes
22:37.23 smaddox Exception Type: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGSEGV)
22:37.23 smaddox Exception Codes: KERN_INVALID_ADDRESS at 0x00000007d63a8818
22:37.24 smaddox Crashed Thread: 0 Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread
22:38.28 smaddox you know of anyone getting brlcad to work on osx 10.6?
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23:47.39 starseeker ``Erik: actually, the main problem is going to be knowing what can be chopped
23:48.00 starseeker a lot of logic goes into windowing system detection and whether or not to build and Apple Framework
23:49.15 starseeker I took that out of the tcl logic, but now I'm wondering if it will need to go back in
23:49.23 starseeker (not for our needs obviously...)
23:50.18 starseeker might be a good candidate for an m4 macro
23:51.50 starseeker (the windowing logic obviously has to stay, in some shape or form)
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