IRC log for #brlcad on 20101101

00:16.59 PrezKennedy Lithp will rise again!!
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02:08.50 IriX64 louipc you never told me linux was so much fun :)
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02:33.57 CIA-50 BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r2326 10/wiki/Google_Code_In/Project_Ideas: no longer editing "actively"
02:39.25 louipc IriX64: well, I might have told you it was better than windows :/
03:02.30 brlcad starseeker: looks like quicktime has three lossless encoding formats
03:02.35 brlcad rle, png, and raw
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03:08.54 brlcad starseeker: http://diracvideo.org/download/schroedinger/ dirac is also lossless and has compat licensing
03:13.58 brlcad vls plays dirac .ts files
03:18.47 brlcad http://openquicktime.sourceforge.net/
03:19.28 brlcad looks like would have to cherry pick if there's a lgpl lossless codec
03:20.27 starseeker phooey - their table doesn't call out the licenses
03:21.46 brlcad the README and COPYING file aren't much more help either .. just say lgplv2
03:22.07 starseeker to the source
03:22.08 brlcad http://openquicktime.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/openquicktime/trunk/
03:22.44 brlcad looks like they have a windows build
03:23.14 brlcad http://openquicktime.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/openquicktime/trunk/videoplugins/rle/codec_rle.c?revision=382&view=markup
03:23.17 brlcad well that's promising
03:23.35 starseeker sweet
03:23.47 starseeker needs 4 other headers directly...
03:24.50 brlcad probably needs more than that .. the codecs are set up as plugins
03:25.05 brlcad to, presumably, http://openquicktime.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/openquicktime/trunk/encoder/
03:25.27 starseeker I think that's a sample app, but yeah it probably shows how to use it
03:25.40 brlcad yeah, it's not a lot of code
03:25.58 starseeker this sucker doesn't look too active - you think it's a better bet than cutting down libavcodec?
03:26.25 brlcad looking like it
03:27.09 starseeker k - at least we can make it compile with msvc and not get complaints ;-)
03:28.12 brlcad yep, much simpler and works portably
03:31.02 starseeker sweet
03:34.38 starseeker gah - pre-compiled .a and .lib files for win32 and macos - gonna have to undo that
03:37.47 starseeker brlcad: looks like that'd be another one we'd essentially be taking over
03:39.03 starseeker hmm http://www.mail-archive.com/gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org/msg18194.html
03:40.15 starseeker libquicktime appears to use ffmpeg for most of its conversions
03:42.54 starseeker well, compile only dies at svq1.c, which I don't think is a codec we would care about - rle compilation appears to have worked
03:48.56 starseeker yeah, sorenson and xvid are the two that don't compile here, and we don't need either
03:52.02 starseeker adds openquicktime to the "CMakeify later" list
03:57.54 brlcad starseeker: instead of takeover, it'd probably be worthwhile to just fork and import a minimal subset
03:58.01 brlcad otherwise, maybe try to push upstream a cmake build
03:58.06 starseeker nods
03:58.30 starseeker I'm actually liking the minimal fork idea - libbmov or some such
03:59.47 brlcad libmov actually doesn't seem to be in use
04:00.22 starseeker hah, sweet :-)
04:00.55 starseeker companion library to our image conversion lib
04:01.04 brlcad I applied for BRL-CAD to participate in Google Code-In
04:01.36 starseeker yeah, saw the wiki stuff, but couldn't spot the org deadline on the web anywhere
04:01.42 starseeker did we make it?
04:02.01 brlcad it was at the last minute, so might not get selected, but if we are then we'll have some HS students to work with
04:02.14 starseeker nods
04:02.37 brlcad http://code.google.com/opensource/gci/2010-11/index.html
04:03.32 starseeker I like their logo better for this one :-P
04:03.42 brlcad http://code.google.com/opensource/gci/2010-11/faqs.html has the timeline
04:03.54 brlcad nov 5th
04:04.06 brlcad feel free to expand on the project ideas
04:04.53 brlcad they should be tasks that ideally take no more than 3 days .. and only while workings 2-3 hours a day on that task
04:05.23 brlcad so basically, things that would take one of us half a day to a full day's worth of work
04:06.15 brlcad the more ideas, the better, but they all have to be ideas fleshed out in detail with SPECIFIC deliverables (the existing list of ideas is still inadequate in that regard)
04:06.42 starseeker what experience in BRL-CAD are we assuming here?
04:06.49 brlcad remembering that they are high school students, so the tasks should be relatively simple
04:07.22 brlcad I'm assuming they'll put an hour or two to figure things out, but not much experience
04:07.56 brlcad really no experience assumed, so whatever their task is has to take research time into consideration
04:08.05 starseeker the first thing that leaps to mind for me is to have them write/polish docbook man pages, but that's a bit vague and may not be the point of an exercise like this
04:08.31 starseeker maybe convert existing manpages via doclifter + cleanup?
04:08.37 brlcad there are a few docs listed already, and it mentions they're in docbook
04:08.43 starseeker ah, k
04:09.34 starseeker makes note to self - make sure CMake can do the doxygen build for BRL-CAD
04:09.40 brlcad convert existing manpages is a good one
04:09.49 brlcad add that
04:10.05 brlcad have to spell out where they are (or how to find them), roughly how many, etc
04:10.29 brlcad unlike gsoc, we spell out the what AND how
04:11.15 brlcad if it's too much, you could make the task be for just one directory
04:11.21 brlcad like src/util or something
04:11.42 starseeker yeah, that's probably a good idea
04:12.30 brlcad yeah, that's 94 manpages
04:12.44 starseeker yeah, that's a good days work :-)
04:13.14 starseeker what's that - probably medium?
04:13.50 brlcad 40 in conv, that might be better
04:14.29 brlcad 40 in fb, 7 in anim, 94 in util, 13 in rt, .. that's the bulk
04:14.59 brlcad you could spell it out as "all of them", but then the "cleanup" would have to be minimal or non-existent
04:15.21 brlcad minimal as in "docbook succeeds"
04:15.56 brlcad starseeker: so the reason I was asking for link ID, I listed you as the backup admin
04:16.17 starseeker yeah, I figured success criteria would be successful, warning free generation of man pages from docbook source
04:16.20 starseeker ah, k
04:16.55 brlcad it was required for the application and it was literally up to the very last minute
04:17.03 starseeker no problem :-)
04:17.24 brlcad example of limesurvey's project ideas page: http://docs.limesurvey.org/tiki-index.php?page=LimeSurvey+Project+Ideas+for+Google+Code-in+2010
04:24.19 brlcad particularly relevant: http://code.google.com/p/google-highly-open-participation-drupal/wiki/HowToWriteAGoodTask
04:24.56 brlcad so deliverables and primary contacts need to be added
04:27.16 brlcad another example: http://www.dragonflybsd.org/docs/developer/ProjectsPage/
04:27.33 brlcad they go so far as to have one-liner projects
04:27.55 brlcad ah, heh .. one line descriptions :)
04:28.17 brlcad most of our TODO items are fair game
04:37.34 CIA-50 BRL-CAD: 03Starseeker 07http://brlcad.org * r2327 10/wiki/Google_Code_In/Project_Ideas: Add docbook man page item
04:38.52 starseeker sleeps now... let me know if that needs more tweaking
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05:07.01 brlcad looks good
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09:56.11 d-lo Mernin all
09:56.24 d-lo Hey, first person into the office, /msg me plz!
11:56.06 d-lo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3h6kOLYGtI&p=E6C56123646997D3
11:56.08 d-lo lol
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13:29.33 ``Erik you're not in today?
13:34.34 _psilva brlcad: did you know the winkelvoss's?
13:43.37 brlcad _psilva: nope
14:26.51 _psilva ah
14:52.27 brlcad ~starseeker++
14:52.33 brlcad nirt guide saves the day
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15:39.16 CIA-50 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r41200 10/brlcad/branches/cmake/src/other/tcl/ (CMake/tcl.cmake CMakeLists.txt): take a stab a reproducing the broken func test.
16:46.04 CIA-50 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r41201 10/brlcad/branches/cmake/src/other/tcl/ (CMake/tcl.cmake CMakeLists.txt): More tweaking - trying to get back to building state. Not there yet.
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18:51.49 d-lo haha, pretty funny :
18:51.49 d-lo haha, pretty funny : 14:47 -!- _psilva [~psilva@static-96-255-52-7.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit
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18:51.55 d-lo <PROTECTED>
18:51.57 d-lo whoa, that was odd
18:51.59 d-lo [#brlcad] haha, pretty funny :
18:52.27 d-lo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04jsncsgrjo
18:52.36 d-lo there, copy paste didnt' whoop my butt this time
20:32.07 CIA-50 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r41202 10/brlcad/branches/cmake/src/other/tcl/CMake/tcl.cmake: Ah, typos are bad.
20:35.49 CIA-50 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r41203 10/brlcad/branches/cmake/src/other/tcl/CMakeLists.txt: Another typo - can't count my Ms apparently.
20:41.47 CIA-50 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r41204 10/brlcad/branches/cmake/src/other/tcl/ (CMake/tcl.cmake CMakeLists.txt): Add in langinfo test
21:01.25 CIA-50 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r41205 10/brlcad/branches/cmake/src/other/tcl/ (CMake/tcl.cmake CMakeLists.txt): More flags, add a few tests to be placed later.
21:05.30 CIA-50 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r41206 10/brlcad/branches/cmake/src/other/tcl/CMake/tcl.cmake: GETADDRINFO has no E
21:07.08 CIA-50 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r41207 10/brlcad/branches/cmake/src/other/tcl/CMake/tcl.cmake: Remove stray extra line.
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