IRC log for #brlcad on 20101209

01:05.43 CIA-55 BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r2360 10/wiki/Community_Publication_Portal: editorial review resulting in a mild restructuring, removal of itemized credit, and a little punctuation liberty to reduce some redundancies
01:09.12 brlcad starseeker: see how that reads to you
01:10.15 brlcad mostly took your words and just regrouped for clarity, commonality, and emphasis
01:12.00 brlcad can't seem to decide whether the mged command names should be wrapped in single quotes or whether italicized is enough
01:12.51 CIA-55 BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r2361 10/wiki/Community_Publication_Portal: try single quotes around command names so it's more readily copy-pasteable to plain-text without editing
01:14.07 CIA-55 BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r2362 10/wiki/Community_Publication_Portal: 7.18.0 release notes ready for publication
01:31.15 CIA-55 BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r2363 10/wiki/Community_Publication_Portal: add a slew of ideas to the hopper. adrt, nurbs, archer, rt lighting model, point clouds, v4, goliath, and Lu??s Ferreira's student projects
01:31.57 CIA-55 BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r2364 10/wiki/Community_Publication_Portal: add her references
01:33.57 CIA-55 BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r2365 10/wiki/Community_Publication_Portal: NURBS article is already in initial draft form
01:37.08 CIA-55 BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r2366 10/wiki/Community_Publication_Portal: chumaciera model
01:38.37 CIA-55 BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r2367 10/wiki/Community_Publication_Portal: expand on archer article
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02:15.28 CIA-55 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r41570 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: some ideas sparked by john's patch to only handle regions and richard's recent addition of a file semaphore.
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04:09.28 yukonbob_ hello, #brlcad
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10:39.21 starseeker brlcad: looks good (much better :-) to me
10:40.00 starseeker will send when he gets in - on my way out now
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12:17.50 d-lo *snicker* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUDaITFDxEs&feature=related
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14:01.44 *** topic/#brlcad is BRL-CAD Open Source Solid Modeling || http://brlcad.org || http://sf.net/projects/brlcad || #brlcad logs: http://ibot.rikers.org/%23brlcad/ || BRL-CAD release 7.16.10 is posted! (20100805)
14:12.27 CIA-55 BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r2371 10/wiki/Community_Publication_Portal: /* Idea Hopper */ slew of additional ideas for the hopper including gsoc projects, 2010 stats, new gui, rtgl, bib, schedule, vision, and more
14:12.43 brlcad that should be more than enough to keep us busy for the next year!
14:13.06 brlcad in fact, that'd be two years worth of articles if all were written today and we did nothing new...
14:13.47 starseeker cool
14:14.07 starseeker brlcad-news email will be going out in a couple minutes
14:14.15 starseeker do I need to send anything to the dev list?
14:14.24 brlcad dev list?
14:14.57 starseeker I posted that the trunk was entering release prep mode - do I need to say it's open for business again?
14:15.06 brlcad oh
14:15.32 brlcad you can if you like, but the news posting kind of says that too (along with the version bump commit)
14:15.56 starseeker ok
14:18.41 CIA-55 BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r2372 10/wiki/Community_Publication_Portal: publication date of dec22 for nurbs
14:20.44 starseeker crosses fingers...
14:21.59 starseeker oh, whoops... am I subscribed to news with that email?
14:23.30 starseeker ok, good
14:23.34 starseeker waits...
14:27.20 starseeker hmm...
14:27.26 starseeker pokes sourceforge
14:34.25 starseeker brlcad: you want to use the same release notice for the brlcad.org front page?
14:34.44 brlcad yeah, and the sf news
14:35.37 brlcad you can use basic html formatting on the front page, but then back to plain text for sf news
14:36.03 starseeker alrightie
14:36.16 starseeker front page article coming up next
14:36.25 brlcad <b>tags</b> on your itemized list sections and <i>commands</i> on the commands
14:36.41 *** join/#brlcad cosurgi (~cosurgi@atak.bl.pg.gda.pl)
14:36.57 brlcad <ul><li>list1</li><li>list2</li> for the itemized list will make it come out like the wiki
14:36.58 starseeker oh... I just snarfed the html direct from the CPP page
14:37.17 brlcad that might work, check the preview though
14:37.33 brlcad it's a subset of html that it recognizes
14:37.50 starseeker preview looks OK here... is submitting an article a perminant thing or can it be tweaked after the fact?
14:37.54 brlcad s/recognizes/allows/
14:38.04 brlcad yes
14:38.12 brlcad :)
14:38.30 brlcad the sf news one cannot
14:38.31 starseeker heh
14:38.37 starseeker k
14:40.14 starseeker pokes CIA-55
14:44.30 starseeker grumps that the sf news thing doesn't have a preview option...
14:44.53 starseeker nice that the text window is resizable though - helps eliminate line breaks
14:46.40 starseeker ok, sf news item is up
14:59.12 starseeker ah, crap - I got the tag wrong on the freshmeat thing
15:53.59 brlcad the tag's fine
15:54.48 starseeker is there typically a lag with the brlcad-news posts?
15:55.41 brlcad all postings to brlcad-news get held in a queue for moderation, but I get an immediate notice
15:55.49 brlcad nothing received
15:55.54 starseeker grr
15:56.02 brlcad let me check the queue
15:56.28 starseeker sent from gmail - Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 9:20 AM
15:58.06 brlcad odd, it's in the queue, but I've just not yet received the notification
15:58.17 starseeker ah, phew :-)
15:58.29 brlcad it's on its way
15:58.35 starseeker thanks :-)
16:01.50 brlcad spanks himself
16:01.56 brlcad definitely should have announced the 7.16.10 features .. that's a long announcement :)
16:02.53 brlcad although it's still on the mark, less than 500 words (sans the list)
16:03.06 starseeker :-)
16:04.06 brlcad all in all, though, a fine piece of work
16:04.23 brlcad easily justifies the .0 status
16:04.43 starseeker agrees - lots of good stuff there
16:04.55 starseeker and at least this time we fixed the regressions BEFORE the release :-P
16:05.51 starseeker brlcad: I'd like to track down any problematic systems remaining for the opengl stuff and get those fixed
16:06.05 starseeker we really need to start having opengl turned on by default
16:06.06 brlcad rt outputting png is probably the most appreciated day-to-day feature in that release
16:07.04 brlcad you can start just by building with opengl enabled on every system you can find, but there are also a couple bug reports iirc
16:07.26 starseeker ok, sounds good
16:07.48 brlcad the problems iirc are basically just assumptions our code makes
16:08.24 starseeker has a feeling that sometime relatively soon we're going to have to start requiring opengl, at least for GUI stuff...
16:08.25 brlcad if you assume direct context, then the indirect context platforms will bork; if you assume indirect, then platforms insisting on direct will bork or performance will really suck
16:09.30 brlcad restarting that dm-tk and fb-tk effort with opengl?
16:09.46 starseeker in essence - that's really what the togl stuff is
16:09.55 starseeker plus all of Bob's goodies in Archer
16:09.58 brlcad the problems we have are "mostly" glx related
16:11.16 brlcad https://sourceforge.net/projects/brlcad/forums/forum/362510/topic/4007604
16:11.21 starseeker I know you guys fixed some of the issues a little while back - certainly on the Mac
16:12.18 starseeker oh no...
16:12.42 brlcad hits the road
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16:42.18 yukonbob_ hello, #brlcad
17:47.47 CIA-55 BRL-CAD: 03Harris227940 07http://brlcad.org * r2373 10/wiki/User:608_buy_levitra:
18:08.04 CIA-55 BRL-CAD: 03Starseeker 07http://brlcad.org * r2374 10/wiki/Community_Publication_Portal: Release notice published - removing from CPP
18:12.42 starseeker ah, right - CIA-55 only reports wiki edits
18:15.31 brlcad only?
18:15.52 starseeker it didn't pop up anything when I posted the announcement
18:15.58 starseeker or when I fixed the release number
18:16.20 brlcad ah
18:16.26 brlcad those are in drupal
18:17.21 CIA-55 BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/block: blocked [[User:608 buy levitra]] with an expiry time of infinite (account creation disabled, e-mail blocked): Spamming links to external sites
18:18.16 CIA-55 BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/block: blocked [[User:Harris227940]] with an expiry time of infinite (account creation disabled, e-mail blocked): Spamming links to external sites
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19:29.50 yukonbob hello #brlcad
19:30.00 starseeker welcome :-)
19:30.19 yukonbob hey starseeker. long time no chat.
19:30.39 starseeker I've been here - where've you been? :-P
19:32.06 yukonbob I've been everywhere, man.
19:32.07 yukonbob Crossed the desert's bare, man.
19:32.07 yukonbob I've breathed the mountain air, man.
19:32.07 yukonbob Of travel I've had my share, man.
19:32.09 yukonbob I've been everywhere.
19:32.53 starseeker so you've been doing Lisp programming? <ducks>
19:33.41 yukonbob heh...
19:33.49 yukonbob mostly sysadmining...
19:34.17 yukonbob was doing some C/Tcl lastnight though (first time in few weeks) which was quite pleasant...
19:34.38 starseeker nods - sysadmin tasks can be a real pain
19:35.21 yukonbob starseeker: doesn't help that my role/job (non-)description is full of creature feep.
19:35.41 yukonbob meh -- whatever... roll w/ the punches.
19:35.50 yukonbob how're things?
19:38.30 starseeker doing the 7.18.0 release (although BRL-CAD is having to be dragged kicking and screaming to release ready status)
19:38.54 yukonbob starseeker: stubborn bugs?
19:39.31 starseeker somewhat, but it's more like every time we turn a corner a NEW bug crops up
19:39.39 starseeker the Windows installer is misbehaving now
19:40.39 yukonbob starseeker: how big a part of the ecosystem is Windows?
19:42.20 starseeker unfortunately, it's quite significant
19:42.34 starseeker you can check the sf.net download stats
19:44.22 brlcad starseeker: that's why it's important that all devs run distcheck and the regression tests regularly
19:45.07 starseeker true, but those wouldn't have caught the windows issue
19:45.21 brlcad it's not something that is hit up once and forgotten about, takes ongoing attention to get a clean release
19:45.35 brlcad that's part of the point of aiming for monthly releases and trying to stick to them
19:46.35 brlcad windows binary notwithstanding, the 7.18.0 release hasn't been that bad
19:46.58 brlcad just the cruft from 3 months of not releasing and nobody checking in the meantime
19:47.05 brlcad shouldn't always be just me :)
19:47.16 yukonbob waves to brlcad
19:47.21 brlcad hello yukonbob
19:47.31 brlcad yukonbob: care to write an article? :)
19:47.38 yukonbob about?
19:47.41 yukonbob exodus?
19:47.52 brlcad something brl-cad related
19:48.22 brlcad can be short, just 250-500 words
19:48.24 brlcad :)
19:48.24 CIA-55 BRL-CAD: 03Francis813751 07http://brlcad.org * r2375 10/wiki/User:931_buy_viagra:
19:48.39 yukonbob brlcad: suggestion?
19:49.49 brlcad yukonbob: didn't you have an mged scripting tutorial?
19:49.53 CIA-55 BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/block: blocked [[User:931 buy viagra]] with an expiry time of infinite (account creation disabled): Spamming links to external sites
19:49.55 brlcad you could write about that
19:50.04 CIA-55 BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/block: blocked [[User:Francis813751]] with an expiry time of infinite (account creation disabled, e-mail blocked): Spamming links to external sites
19:50.08 yukonbob *does* like mged ;)
19:50.17 yukonbob and Tcl
19:50.23 yukonbob and csg...
19:50.36 brlcad there's three topics right there
19:50.53 yukonbob speaking of Tcl -- what's the current state of Tcl in brl-cad... is @ 8.5.x?
19:51.05 yukonbob notes Tcl is what brought me to brlcad
19:51.08 starseeker 8.5.8
19:51.09 yukonbob *brl-cad
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19:51.17 yukonbob and brlcad ;)
19:51.30 brlcad heh
19:51.54 yukonbob brlcad: is for brlcad.org?
19:58.51 yukonbob .
19:59.04 yukonbob tests network, as is flaky at this end lately.
19:59.19 brlcad yep, website and mailing list
19:59.33 brlcad http://brlcad.org/wiki/Community_Publication_Portal
20:00.57 yukonbob brlcad: Tcl is suitable (i.e.: is still relevant into foreseeable future?)
20:01.07 brlcad why wouldn't it be?
20:01.26 yukonbob oh I don't know -- rip it out and replace it w/ something trendy like lua?
20:01.28 yukonbob ;)
20:02.22 yukonbob i can look for my "hub" program and other creation/querying...
20:02.32 yukonbob *creation/querying tools;.
20:02.36 brlcad if we were to do anything like that, it'd be a move towards something like gimp's script-fu where you could use a variety of languages including tcl, lua, python, bash, etc
20:03.03 yukonbob didn't know script-fu was anything other than python, tbh.
20:03.09 brlcad plugin scripting interface was envisioned for the next generation GUI
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20:04.01 brlcad script-fu is scheme
20:04.09 yukonbob doesn't scripting/gui nearly always boil down to tcl/tk?
20:04.11 brlcad with additional plugins for perl and python
20:04.17 yukonbob perl: embed tcl/tk
20:04.22 yukonbob python: embed tcl/tk
20:04.59 yukonbob unless you're using various bindings for either gtk or qt.
20:06.51 brlcad we have little to gain by intentionally excluding or removing scripting capability
20:07.23 brlcad making the scripting layer modular would be a "good thing" though
20:07.48 brlcad libged gets us really close
20:11.39 yukonbob wishes he had a running brl-cad installation...
20:11.53 yukonbob I blame the move to 8.5b
20:14.14 starseeker OK, old 7.18.0 exe installs are moved to OldFiles - we'll put new ones up when we have something that works
20:20.42 brlcad should update the readme in that folder explaining the issue and new release pointer -- have to update the freshmeat link too
20:32.11 starseeker k - I'll do the readme now, but for the moment there's nothing to point to from freshmeat
20:36.30 CIA-55 BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r41571 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/win32-msvc8/tclsh/library/installTree.tcl: Check for the existence of microsoft redist files along "Program Files" path. If that fails use "Program Files (x86)".
20:54.32 yukonbob is .18.0 tagged?
20:54.45 ``Erik yes
20:54.55 yukonbob nice
20:54.57 yukonbob waves to ``Erik
21:12.53 *** topic/#brlcad by brlcad -> BRL-CAD Open Source Solid Modeling || http://brlcad.org || http://sf.net/projects/brlcad || #brlcad logs: http://ibot.rikers.org/%23brlcad/ || BRL-CAD release 7.18.0 is posted (20101209)
21:17.15 ``Erik has uploaded a 32b winderz 7.18.0, could use a tester O.o
22:27.52 ``Erik hm, a friend of a friend is looking for an iphone programmer

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