| 01:05.43 | CIA-55 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r2360 10/wiki/Community_Publication_Portal: editorial review resulting in a mild restructuring, removal of itemized credit, and a little punctuation liberty to reduce some redundancies |
| 01:09.12 | brlcad | starseeker: see how that reads to you |
| 01:10.15 | brlcad | mostly took your words and just regrouped for clarity, commonality, and emphasis |
| 01:12.00 | brlcad | can't seem to decide whether the mged command names should be wrapped in single quotes or whether italicized is enough |
| 01:12.51 | CIA-55 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r2361 10/wiki/Community_Publication_Portal: try single quotes around command names so it's more readily copy-pasteable to plain-text without editing |
| 01:14.07 | CIA-55 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r2362 10/wiki/Community_Publication_Portal: 7.18.0 release notes ready for publication |
| 01:31.15 | CIA-55 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r2363 10/wiki/Community_Publication_Portal: add a slew of ideas to the hopper. adrt, nurbs, archer, rt lighting model, point clouds, v4, goliath, and Lu??s Ferreira's student projects |
| 01:31.57 | CIA-55 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r2364 10/wiki/Community_Publication_Portal: add her references |
| 01:33.57 | CIA-55 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r2365 10/wiki/Community_Publication_Portal: NURBS article is already in initial draft form |
| 01:37.08 | CIA-55 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r2366 10/wiki/Community_Publication_Portal: chumaciera model |
| 01:38.37 | CIA-55 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r2367 10/wiki/Community_Publication_Portal: expand on archer article |
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| 02:15.28 | CIA-55 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r41570 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: some ideas sparked by john's patch to only handle regions and richard's recent addition of a file semaphore. |
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| 04:09.28 | yukonbob_ | hello, #brlcad |
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| 10:39.21 | starseeker | brlcad: looks good (much better :-) to me |
| 10:40.00 | starseeker | will send when he gets in - on my way out now |
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| 12:17.50 | d-lo | *snicker* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUDaITFDxEs&feature=related |
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| 14:01.44 | *** topic/#brlcad is BRL-CAD Open Source Solid Modeling || http://brlcad.org || http://sf.net/projects/brlcad || #brlcad logs: http://ibot.rikers.org/%23brlcad/ || BRL-CAD release 7.16.10 is posted! (20100805) | |
| 14:12.27 | CIA-55 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r2371 10/wiki/Community_Publication_Portal: /* Idea Hopper */ slew of additional ideas for the hopper including gsoc projects, 2010 stats, new gui, rtgl, bib, schedule, vision, and more |
| 14:12.43 | brlcad | that should be more than enough to keep us busy for the next year! |
| 14:13.06 | brlcad | in fact, that'd be two years worth of articles if all were written today and we did nothing new... |
| 14:13.47 | starseeker | cool |
| 14:14.07 | starseeker | brlcad-news email will be going out in a couple minutes |
| 14:14.15 | starseeker | do I need to send anything to the dev list? |
| 14:14.24 | brlcad | dev list? |
| 14:14.57 | starseeker | I posted that the trunk was entering release prep mode - do I need to say it's open for business again? |
| 14:15.06 | brlcad | oh |
| 14:15.32 | brlcad | you can if you like, but the news posting kind of says that too (along with the version bump commit) |
| 14:15.56 | starseeker | ok |
| 14:18.41 | CIA-55 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r2372 10/wiki/Community_Publication_Portal: publication date of dec22 for nurbs |
| 14:20.44 | starseeker | crosses fingers... |
| 14:21.59 | starseeker | oh, whoops... am I subscribed to news with that email? |
| 14:23.30 | starseeker | ok, good |
| 14:23.34 | starseeker | waits... |
| 14:27.20 | starseeker | hmm... |
| 14:27.26 | starseeker | pokes sourceforge |
| 14:34.25 | starseeker | brlcad: you want to use the same release notice for the brlcad.org front page? |
| 14:34.44 | brlcad | yeah, and the sf news |
| 14:35.37 | brlcad | you can use basic html formatting on the front page, but then back to plain text for sf news |
| 14:36.03 | starseeker | alrightie |
| 14:36.16 | starseeker | front page article coming up next |
| 14:36.25 | brlcad | <b>tags</b> on your itemized list sections and <i>commands</i> on the commands |
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| 14:36.57 | brlcad | <ul><li>list1</li><li>list2</li> for the itemized list will make it come out like the wiki |
| 14:36.58 | starseeker | oh... I just snarfed the html direct from the CPP page |
| 14:37.17 | brlcad | that might work, check the preview though |
| 14:37.33 | brlcad | it's a subset of html that it recognizes |
| 14:37.50 | starseeker | preview looks OK here... is submitting an article a perminant thing or can it be tweaked after the fact? |
| 14:37.54 | brlcad | s/recognizes/allows/ |
| 14:38.04 | brlcad | yes |
| 14:38.12 | brlcad | :) |
| 14:38.30 | brlcad | the sf news one cannot |
| 14:38.31 | starseeker | heh |
| 14:38.37 | starseeker | k |
| 14:40.14 | starseeker | pokes CIA-55 |
| 14:44.30 | starseeker | grumps that the sf news thing doesn't have a preview option... |
| 14:44.53 | starseeker | nice that the text window is resizable though - helps eliminate line breaks |
| 14:46.40 | starseeker | ok, sf news item is up |
| 14:59.12 | starseeker | ah, crap - I got the tag wrong on the freshmeat thing |
| 15:53.59 | brlcad | the tag's fine |
| 15:54.48 | starseeker | is there typically a lag with the brlcad-news posts? |
| 15:55.41 | brlcad | all postings to brlcad-news get held in a queue for moderation, but I get an immediate notice |
| 15:55.49 | brlcad | nothing received |
| 15:55.54 | starseeker | grr |
| 15:56.02 | brlcad | let me check the queue |
| 15:56.28 | starseeker | sent from gmail - Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 9:20 AM |
| 15:58.06 | brlcad | odd, it's in the queue, but I've just not yet received the notification |
| 15:58.17 | starseeker | ah, phew :-) |
| 15:58.29 | brlcad | it's on its way |
| 15:58.35 | starseeker | thanks :-) |
| 16:01.50 | brlcad | spanks himself |
| 16:01.56 | brlcad | definitely should have announced the 7.16.10 features .. that's a long announcement :) |
| 16:02.53 | brlcad | although it's still on the mark, less than 500 words (sans the list) |
| 16:03.06 | starseeker | :-) |
| 16:04.06 | brlcad | all in all, though, a fine piece of work |
| 16:04.23 | brlcad | easily justifies the .0 status |
| 16:04.43 | starseeker | agrees - lots of good stuff there |
| 16:04.55 | starseeker | and at least this time we fixed the regressions BEFORE the release :-P |
| 16:05.51 | starseeker | brlcad: I'd like to track down any problematic systems remaining for the opengl stuff and get those fixed |
| 16:06.05 | starseeker | we really need to start having opengl turned on by default |
| 16:06.06 | brlcad | rt outputting png is probably the most appreciated day-to-day feature in that release |
| 16:07.04 | brlcad | you can start just by building with opengl enabled on every system you can find, but there are also a couple bug reports iirc |
| 16:07.26 | starseeker | ok, sounds good |
| 16:07.48 | brlcad | the problems iirc are basically just assumptions our code makes |
| 16:08.24 | starseeker | has a feeling that sometime relatively soon we're going to have to start requiring opengl, at least for GUI stuff... |
| 16:08.25 | brlcad | if you assume direct context, then the indirect context platforms will bork; if you assume indirect, then platforms insisting on direct will bork or performance will really suck |
| 16:09.30 | brlcad | restarting that dm-tk and fb-tk effort with opengl? |
| 16:09.46 | starseeker | in essence - that's really what the togl stuff is |
| 16:09.55 | starseeker | plus all of Bob's goodies in Archer |
| 16:09.58 | brlcad | the problems we have are "mostly" glx related |
| 16:11.16 | brlcad | https://sourceforge.net/projects/brlcad/forums/forum/362510/topic/4007604 |
| 16:11.21 | starseeker | I know you guys fixed some of the issues a little while back - certainly on the Mac |
| 16:12.18 | starseeker | oh no... |
| 16:12.42 | brlcad | hits the road |
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| 16:42.18 | yukonbob_ | hello, #brlcad |
| 17:47.47 | CIA-55 | BRL-CAD: 03Harris227940 07http://brlcad.org * r2373 10/wiki/User:608_buy_levitra: |
| 18:08.04 | CIA-55 | BRL-CAD: 03Starseeker 07http://brlcad.org * r2374 10/wiki/Community_Publication_Portal: Release notice published - removing from CPP |
| 18:12.42 | starseeker | ah, right - CIA-55 only reports wiki edits |
| 18:15.31 | brlcad | only? |
| 18:15.52 | starseeker | it didn't pop up anything when I posted the announcement |
| 18:15.58 | starseeker | or when I fixed the release number |
| 18:16.20 | brlcad | ah |
| 18:16.26 | brlcad | those are in drupal |
| 18:17.21 | CIA-55 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/block: blocked [[User:608 buy levitra]] with an expiry time of infinite (account creation disabled, e-mail blocked): Spamming links to external sites |
| 18:18.16 | CIA-55 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/block: blocked [[User:Harris227940]] with an expiry time of infinite (account creation disabled, e-mail blocked): Spamming links to external sites |
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| 19:29.50 | yukonbob | hello #brlcad |
| 19:30.00 | starseeker | welcome :-) |
| 19:30.19 | yukonbob | hey starseeker. long time no chat. |
| 19:30.39 | starseeker | I've been here - where've you been? :-P |
| 19:32.06 | yukonbob | I've been everywhere, man. |
| 19:32.07 | yukonbob | Crossed the desert's bare, man. |
| 19:32.07 | yukonbob | I've breathed the mountain air, man. |
| 19:32.07 | yukonbob | Of travel I've had my share, man. |
| 19:32.09 | yukonbob | I've been everywhere. |
| 19:32.53 | starseeker | so you've been doing Lisp programming? <ducks> |
| 19:33.41 | yukonbob | heh... |
| 19:33.49 | yukonbob | mostly sysadmining... |
| 19:34.17 | yukonbob | was doing some C/Tcl lastnight though (first time in few weeks) which was quite pleasant... |
| 19:34.38 | starseeker | nods - sysadmin tasks can be a real pain |
| 19:35.21 | yukonbob | starseeker: doesn't help that my role/job (non-)description is full of creature feep. |
| 19:35.41 | yukonbob | meh -- whatever... roll w/ the punches. |
| 19:35.50 | yukonbob | how're things? |
| 19:38.30 | starseeker | doing the 7.18.0 release (although BRL-CAD is having to be dragged kicking and screaming to release ready status) |
| 19:38.54 | yukonbob | starseeker: stubborn bugs? |
| 19:39.31 | starseeker | somewhat, but it's more like every time we turn a corner a NEW bug crops up |
| 19:39.39 | starseeker | the Windows installer is misbehaving now |
| 19:40.39 | yukonbob | starseeker: how big a part of the ecosystem is Windows? |
| 19:42.20 | starseeker | unfortunately, it's quite significant |
| 19:42.34 | starseeker | you can check the sf.net download stats |
| 19:44.22 | brlcad | starseeker: that's why it's important that all devs run distcheck and the regression tests regularly |
| 19:45.07 | starseeker | true, but those wouldn't have caught the windows issue |
| 19:45.21 | brlcad | it's not something that is hit up once and forgotten about, takes ongoing attention to get a clean release |
| 19:45.35 | brlcad | that's part of the point of aiming for monthly releases and trying to stick to them |
| 19:46.35 | brlcad | windows binary notwithstanding, the 7.18.0 release hasn't been that bad |
| 19:46.58 | brlcad | just the cruft from 3 months of not releasing and nobody checking in the meantime |
| 19:47.05 | brlcad | shouldn't always be just me :) |
| 19:47.16 | yukonbob | waves to brlcad |
| 19:47.21 | brlcad | hello yukonbob |
| 19:47.31 | brlcad | yukonbob: care to write an article? :) |
| 19:47.38 | yukonbob | about? |
| 19:47.41 | yukonbob | exodus? |
| 19:47.52 | brlcad | something brl-cad related |
| 19:48.22 | brlcad | can be short, just 250-500 words |
| 19:48.24 | brlcad | :) |
| 19:48.24 | CIA-55 | BRL-CAD: 03Francis813751 07http://brlcad.org * r2375 10/wiki/User:931_buy_viagra: |
| 19:48.39 | yukonbob | brlcad: suggestion? |
| 19:49.49 | brlcad | yukonbob: didn't you have an mged scripting tutorial? |
| 19:49.53 | CIA-55 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/block: blocked [[User:931 buy viagra]] with an expiry time of infinite (account creation disabled): Spamming links to external sites |
| 19:49.55 | brlcad | you could write about that |
| 19:50.04 | CIA-55 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/block: blocked [[User:Francis813751]] with an expiry time of infinite (account creation disabled, e-mail blocked): Spamming links to external sites |
| 19:50.08 | yukonbob | *does* like mged ;) |
| 19:50.17 | yukonbob | and Tcl |
| 19:50.23 | yukonbob | and csg... |
| 19:50.36 | brlcad | there's three topics right there |
| 19:50.53 | yukonbob | speaking of Tcl -- what's the current state of Tcl in brl-cad... is @ 8.5.x? |
| 19:51.05 | yukonbob | notes Tcl is what brought me to brlcad |
| 19:51.08 | starseeker | 8.5.8 |
| 19:51.09 | yukonbob | *brl-cad |
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| 19:51.17 | yukonbob | and brlcad ;) |
| 19:51.30 | brlcad | heh |
| 19:51.54 | yukonbob | brlcad: is for brlcad.org? |
| 19:58.51 | yukonbob | . |
| 19:59.04 | yukonbob | tests network, as is flaky at this end lately. |
| 19:59.19 | brlcad | yep, website and mailing list |
| 19:59.33 | brlcad | http://brlcad.org/wiki/Community_Publication_Portal |
| 20:00.57 | yukonbob | brlcad: Tcl is suitable (i.e.: is still relevant into foreseeable future?) |
| 20:01.07 | brlcad | why wouldn't it be? |
| 20:01.26 | yukonbob | oh I don't know -- rip it out and replace it w/ something trendy like lua? |
| 20:01.28 | yukonbob | ;) |
| 20:02.22 | yukonbob | i can look for my "hub" program and other creation/querying... |
| 20:02.32 | yukonbob | *creation/querying tools;. |
| 20:02.36 | brlcad | if we were to do anything like that, it'd be a move towards something like gimp's script-fu where you could use a variety of languages including tcl, lua, python, bash, etc |
| 20:03.03 | yukonbob | didn't know script-fu was anything other than python, tbh. |
| 20:03.09 | brlcad | plugin scripting interface was envisioned for the next generation GUI |
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| 20:04.01 | brlcad | script-fu is scheme |
| 20:04.09 | yukonbob | doesn't scripting/gui nearly always boil down to tcl/tk? |
| 20:04.11 | brlcad | with additional plugins for perl and python |
| 20:04.17 | yukonbob | perl: embed tcl/tk |
| 20:04.22 | yukonbob | python: embed tcl/tk |
| 20:04.59 | yukonbob | unless you're using various bindings for either gtk or qt. |
| 20:06.51 | brlcad | we have little to gain by intentionally excluding or removing scripting capability |
| 20:07.23 | brlcad | making the scripting layer modular would be a "good thing" though |
| 20:07.48 | brlcad | libged gets us really close |
| 20:11.39 | yukonbob | wishes he had a running brl-cad installation... |
| 20:11.53 | yukonbob | I blame the move to 8.5b |
| 20:14.14 | starseeker | OK, old 7.18.0 exe installs are moved to OldFiles - we'll put new ones up when we have something that works |
| 20:20.42 | brlcad | should update the readme in that folder explaining the issue and new release pointer -- have to update the freshmeat link too |
| 20:32.11 | starseeker | k - I'll do the readme now, but for the moment there's nothing to point to from freshmeat |
| 20:36.30 | CIA-55 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r41571 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/win32-msvc8/tclsh/library/installTree.tcl: Check for the existence of microsoft redist files along "Program Files" path. If that fails use "Program Files (x86)". |
| 20:54.32 | yukonbob | is .18.0 tagged? |
| 20:54.45 | ``Erik | yes |
| 20:54.55 | yukonbob | nice |
| 20:54.57 | yukonbob | waves to ``Erik |
| 21:12.53 | *** topic/#brlcad by brlcad -> BRL-CAD Open Source Solid Modeling || http://brlcad.org || http://sf.net/projects/brlcad || #brlcad logs: http://ibot.rikers.org/%23brlcad/ || BRL-CAD release 7.18.0 is posted (20101209) | |
| 21:17.15 | ``Erik | has uploaded a 32b winderz 7.18.0, could use a tester O.o |
| 22:27.52 | ``Erik | hm, a friend of a friend is looking for an iphone programmer |