IRC log for #brlcad on 20110114

00:11.54 starseeker O.o http://vimperator.org/vimperator
00:14.05 starseeker is torn between a desire to try that and fear that a random key combination or the cat walking on the keyboard would result in changing the entire internet :-P
00:24.58 ``Erik neat
00:53.43 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r42255 10/brlcad/trunk/ (2735 files in 155 dirs): all hail the International Year of Forests, plant ourselves nicely into 2011. tree you later!
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02:54.44 ``Erik http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ex5dhhpSHCw O.O
02:55.47 ``Erik d'no how good the overlay matching is, but yowza
02:58.22 Ralith Anybody know what happened to jonored's toolpathing utility?
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03:31.07 Ralith Where's the specification for the current binary database file format stored?
03:33.00 ``Erik src/brlcad/librt/ O.o
03:35.20 ``Erik http://brlcad.org/wiki/Documentation has a link to an old draft doc, but it's incomplete (and might even be slightly wrong on some things)
03:35.27 ``Erik #13 on that page
03:57.00 Ralith suspected that was the case; thanks.
03:57.39 Ralith ``Erik: so there's no complete doc beyond the code?
04:06.38 ``Erik not that I know of... there've been things added and I don't think any docs have been updated to reflect the changes
04:17.44 Ralith ah well.
04:18.02 Ralith I hope libwdb is being kept in sync, at least.
06:02.55 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r42256 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/mged.c: some cleanup, simplification, and documenting of f_opendb().
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06:06.58 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r42257 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/mged.c: use bu_booleanize() to test the value (even though we only looked for ynYN just earlier in this func to pass arg validation.
06:09.52 brlcad Ralith: the draft spec is probably more than 99% accurate -- but most access is supposed to go through API instead of directly anyways
06:10.21 brlcad libwdb is 100% in sync, it calls through to librt which IS the implementation
06:10.52 brlcad libwdb is for write-only access, librt is for slightly lower-level read/write access
06:11.09 brlcad libged is for high level read/write access
06:15.08 Ralith I see; thanks.
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10:13.27 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r42258 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/timetester.c:
10:13.27 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: there is no inttypes.h in MSVC
10:13.27 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: however it should not be necessary anyway, int64_t has to be declared via bu.h
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11:32.20 DaveLo yawns
12:27.01 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: 03Dloman 07http://brlcad.org * r2403 10/wiki/Geometry_Service_Project_Main: Cleaned up verbage, removed some vague hints to functionality now that we are more concrete in our vision.
12:28.06 DaveLo Question to brlcad: is it possible to get a GS:: namespace on the wiki?
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12:45.59 starseeker hmm... libpng 1.5.0 is out
12:46.18 starseeker wonder if it's worth trying to upgrade... bet it breaks things
13:10.42 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: 03Dloman 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/upload: uploaded "[[Image:Developer 128px.png]]"
13:10.43 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: 03Dloman 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/upload: uploaded "[[Image:Users 128px.png]]"
13:19.03 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: 03Dloman 07http://brlcad.org * r2406 10/wiki/Geometry_Service_User_Main: New page: Place Holder
13:20.07 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: 03Dloman 07http://brlcad.org * r2407 10/wiki/Geometry_Service_Dev_Main: New page: Subbed in!
13:24.53 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: 03Dloman 07http://brlcad.org * r2408 10/wiki/Geometry_Service_Project_Main: Add in some purty images in prep for cleanup/reorg
13:36.07 DaveLo Hrm, seems the BRL-CAD.org wiki wont accept the syntax for making [[Image: tags accept the |link= override parameter :/
13:36.13 DaveLo thats kinda annoying!
13:37.22 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: 03Dloman 07http://brlcad.org * r2409 10/wiki/Geometry_Service_Project_Main: Add some to open up the page a bit (Temporary)
13:44.11 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r42259 10/brlcad/branches/cmake/ (10 files in 10 dirs): Start updating the CMake logic to re-create the installed file layout, insofar as practical. First step - header placement (cause there are fewer of these).
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14:49.17 brlcad DaveLo: it's a wiki.. so any namespaces, categories, taggings .. if they make sense, then go for it
14:56.59 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r42260 10/brlcad/branches/cmake/misc/CMakeLists.txt: local copy logic for db and misc - just have db build straight into the share dir target instead of the local binary dir, since they're built targets.
14:57.33 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r42261 10/brlcad/branches/cmake/doc/html/CMakeLists.txt: Make local copies of the html docs.
15:02.45 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r42262 10/brlcad/branches/cmake/doc/docbook/ (10 files in 10 dirs): Get docbook generation working in such a way that it puts files in the proper places for build-dir hierarchy.
15:03.20 brlcad DaveLo: it's also mediawiki 1.11 so link= just some features might require upgrading to the latest mediawiki
15:03.46 brlcad s/just some/and some other/
15:06.12 ``Erik crit has 1.16.1 :D
15:07.10 DaveLo Well I ask about the namespace because one must do some editing of LocalSettings.php
15:07.14 DaveLo ....which I cannot.
15:10.04 brlcad two questions
15:10.30 brlcad 1) why does creating a namespace require editing LocalSettings (or more specifically, what edit is needed?)
15:10.38 brlcad 2) what makes you think you cannot?
15:11.04 DaveLo http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Using_custom_namespaces
15:11.14 DaveLo thats the answer to #1
15:11.35 DaveLo and #2 is: I have no idea where the wiki server 'ware is installed, let alone if I have write perms to it.
15:11.47 DaveLo otherwise, I'd have done it already :)
15:12.06 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: 03Dloman 07http://brlcad.org * r2410 10/wiki/Geometry_Service_Project_Main: Move links to user pages.
15:12.15 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: 03Dloman 07http://brlcad.org * r2411 10/wiki/Geometry_Service_User_Main: Moved links from main page
15:12.49 brlcad what's the benefit of a namespace over a category?
15:12.54 brlcad there's at least one downside ;)
15:13.34 brlcad as for 2) it's in the web root and all perms are shared via the www user: sudo -u www
15:15.22 DaveLo heh, well i thought that categories == namespaces.... but guess that aint so =D *reads more*
15:15.38 brlcad decent page: http://www.packtpub.com/article/mediawiki-content-organizing-features-namespaces-categories
15:16.15 brlcad namespace benefit would be to prevent name collisions or assign specific security roles
15:16.24 brlcad which I'm not sure is relevant/useful here
15:17.42 brlcad with an expanded role, I could see there being a "Geometry" namespace .. looks like it's well-suited for differentiating types of content ala mime typing
15:18.47 brlcad category is as simple as adding [[Category:Geometry Service]] to each GS page
15:19.08 DaveLo okie cool, I think category tagging will work just fine. danke!
15:20.33 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: 03Dloman 07http://brlcad.org * r2412 10/wiki/Geometry_Service_User_Main: Remove Design Doc tag
15:20.36 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: 03Dloman 07http://brlcad.org * r2413 10/wiki/Geometry_Service_Project_Main: Remove Design Doc tag
15:21.21 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: 03Dloman 07http://brlcad.org * r2414 10/wiki/Geometry_Service_User_Main: Fix Category Tag
15:21.25 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: 03Dloman 07http://brlcad.org * r2415 10/wiki/Geometry_Service_Project_Main: Fix Category Tag
15:29.07 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r42263 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/archer/Archer.tcl: Move raytracePlus to the public section.
15:31.33 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r42264 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/mged.c: avoid redefine on windows
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16:08.47 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: 03Dloman 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/upload: uploaded "[[Image:GS Symbol.png]]": (Very) Rough first draft of the Geometry Service logo
16:19.34 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: 03Dloman 07http://brlcad.org * r2417 10/wiki/Geometry_Service_Project_Main: Add graphic and section titles. Rearrange a bit. Im thinking the Implementation Particulars could go elsewhere......
16:22.37 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: 03Dloman 07http://brlcad.org * r2418 10/wiki/Geometry_Service_Project_Main: Hrm, looks like a width var on the table is neeed for InternetExplorer
16:23.25 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r42265 10/brlcad/branches/cmake/db/CMakeLists.txt: Hmm, missed db dir in that commit.
16:24.33 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: 03Dloman 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/delete: deleted "[[IBME Main]]": Antiquated page. Superseded buy the Geometry Service pages
16:34.38 DaveLo lol, s/buy/by/
16:36.08 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: 03Dloman 07http://brlcad.org * r2419 10/wiki/Geometry_Service_User_Main: Add graphic + table
16:37.58 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: 03Dloman 07http://brlcad.org * r2420 10/wiki/Geometry_Service_Dev_Main: Add graphic + table + links
16:41.09 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r42266 10/brlcad/trunk/ (18 files in 5 dirs): Mods for overriding the display manager's auto font selection mechanism. Implemented for ogl and wgl.
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16:56.11 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: 03Dloman 07http://brlcad.org * r2421 10/wiki/URL_URI_URN_Implimentations: Updated URL page with current information
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17:31.09 DaveLo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKrtbUinWOU
17:47.12 brlcad starseeker: https://sourceforge.net/projects/brlcad/forums/forum/362510/topic/4053804
18:38.42 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r42267 10/brlcad/branches/cmake/ (12 files in 12 dirs): More logic for building up the share dir in the build tree.
18:41.48 starseeker looks like a bug in ted
18:42.14 starseeker doggone it, I'm sick of ted and red
18:55.25 brlcad the user might just be running an old buggy version, or it's still busted
18:56.04 starseeker it's busted in 16.8 - I don't have a newer workign compile at the moment
18:56.54 brlcad can at least ask that user which version they're using since it "should" be fixed with the latest, then you can have them test if they're not on the latest
19:00.21 starseeker nods
19:02.11 brlcad has apparently worked more than 65 hours this week, and there's still more to go!
19:02.28 starseeker eeep!
19:06.35 starseeker looks forward to archer/mged making ted obsolete
19:10.49 brlcad that's a tough proposition even for archer/mged
19:11.14 brlcad implies some seriously well thought out usability and performance efficiency
19:12.35 brlcad there's ways to do everything ted can do now without a text editor, even bulk processing tools, but they're still just not as efficient as what an editor will let you do, in bulk, and programmably
19:12.53 brlcad just "ted" isn't the best way to do it
19:13.06 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r42268 10/brlcad/branches/cmake/ (5 files in 5 dirs): Tweaks to accomidate changes resulting from the new logic - get us building again.
19:26.36 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r42269 10/brlcad/trunk/ (5 files in 2 dirs): separate out the v4 database conversion routines that were oddly in tree.c out into their own db_float.c (since they mostly deal with converting to/from the dbfloat_t type).
19:45.35 starseeker yeah, it's a current ted bug
19:47.53 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r42270 10/brlcad/branches/cmake/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Few more fixes to CMake logic.
19:50.12 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r42271 10/rt^3/trunk/src/ (6 files in 3 dirs): start stubbing in stuff for a client side lib jar
19:50.24 starseeker interesting - ted is still in mged
20:02.10 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r42272 10/brlcad/trunk/ (5 files in 2 dirs): separate out rt_rpp_region() and rt_bound_tree() into bbox.c so we can consolidate bounding box routines into one place.
20:07.38 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r42273 10/brlcad/trunk/ (BUGS TODO): ted command needs fixing.
20:08.27 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r42274 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: ability to open binary-incompatible v4 databases
20:08.57 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r42275 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/ (bbox.c shoot.c): move rt_in_rpp() into bbox.c given the related functionality, remove the rt_DB_rpp() debugging function.
20:10.43 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r42276 10/brlcad/trunk/ (NEWS src/mged/tedit.c):
20:10.43 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: editit in mged is returning TCL_OK, so check for that when using it in ted;
20:10.44 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: without that check, if statement was failing and readsolid was never being
20:10.44 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: called - this fixes issue reported by ogloth on the sourceforge forums.
20:11.32 brlcad that was quick
20:12.04 starseeker luckly, the backtrace was easy to follow on that one :-)
20:13.02 starseeker was afraid it would turn into another red-command style rewrite...
20:15.28 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r42277 10/brlcad/trunk/ (BUGS TODO): ted was fixed quick by starseeker
20:17.20 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: 03johnranderson * r42278 10/jbrlcad/trunk/ (124 files in 26 dirs): jbrlcad is now a maven project.
20:19.49 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: 03johnranderson * r42279 10/jbrlcad/trunk/src/test/resources/ (. ktank.g logging.config test.asc test.g): Added test/resources.
20:25.55 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: 03johnranderson * r42280 10/jbrlcad/trunk/ (5 files in 5 dirs): Eliminated test and lib directories.
21:16.09 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r42281 10/brlcad/branches/cmake/src/libtclcad/tclcadAutoPath.c:
21:16.09 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: May be a few stray files remaining (need a systematic diff) but this is the last
21:16.10 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: major piece to create a duplicate of the installed share directory in the build
21:16.10 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: dir. tclcadAutoPath simpilfies down to a question of where the root and data
21:16.11 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: dirs are, if I'm understanding their usage correctly - I don't think I've got it
21:16.43 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: right yet but clearly this should simplify things dramatically.
22:10.49 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r42282 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/win32-msvc8/libbu/libbu.vcproj: add booleanize
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23:46.39 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: 03tbrowder2 * r42283 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/attr.c: sort attribute-value set array by attribute name
23:50.55 CIA-43 BRL-CAD: 03tbrowder2 * r42284 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: updated NEWS for adding sort to mged attr show command

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