00:20.51 |
starseeker |
will have to test with newer
versions on mac to see if it makes a difference |
00:23.45 |
CIA-77 |
BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r43592
10/brlcad/branches/cmake/ (5 files in 4 dirs): MFC r43591 |
00:28.44 |
CIA-77 |
BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r43593
10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/search.c: gentoo wants search_results
initialized |
00:33.39 |
brlcad |
that's just fantastic.. mged crash |
00:34.03 |
starseeker |
winces - what's the
issue? |
00:34.14 |
brlcad |
don't know yet, just crashed opening an
nmg |
00:34.19 |
starseeker |
ah |
00:34.30 |
starseeker |
fwiw - search seems to be working on
gentoo |
00:55.57 |
brlcad |
excellent |
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02:51.00 |
starseeker |
nods - I'll have to look at
the current tests and see what he got running |
02:51.17 |
starseeker |
he breaks things out into analytical and
numerical categories in the wiki page |
02:51.57 |
starseeker |
I'm assuming numerical would involve either
floating point or some form of quantizing |
02:55.44 |
starseeker |
huh - looks numerical... |
03:04.01 |
starseeker |
wait... gecode has a flatzinc support setup,
which does have some sort of Float support... |
03:51.28 |
CIA-77 |
BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r43594
10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: release write-up on the integration of TIE
with LIBRT and the new shp-g shapefile importer. |
04:10.03 |
CIA-77 |
BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r43595
10/brlcad/trunk/BUGS: encountered an infinite loop bug trying to
smooth a bot. might be the same traversal bug encountered earlier,
but needs testing / investigating. |
04:42.01 |
brlcad |
``Erik_: harrumph.. I can't seem to get a
render through to the tie code |
04:42.35 |
brlcad |
created a volume bot, smoothed it, rh
orientation, mintie set to 1 .. still kicks over to old
way |
04:42.41 |
brlcad |
any suggestions? |
04:42.51 |
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04:42.53 |
yukonbob |
oh hai |
04:42.56 |
brlcad |
howdy |
04:43.31 |
yukonbob |
my friend. |
04:43.35 |
yukonbob |
how're things? |
04:44.31 |
brlcad |
crazy busy, trying to push a release out and
hitting speed bumps left and right |
04:44.33 |
brlcad |
bbl |
04:46.03 |
yukonbob |
working through a bump w/ .2
current release + tk... |
04:49.20 |
``Erik_ |
does it prep for tie? I may've borked some
logic... |
04:49.50 |
yukonbob |
``Erik_: that for me? |
04:50.14 |
``Erik_ |
no, unless you're trying to do bot/tie
raytracing |
04:50.16 |
brlcad |
``Erik_: prep is where I've added some debug
and it's not getting there |
04:50.48 |
yukonbob |
stands back from the prep
ties. |
04:51.05 |
``Erik_ |
hm, bot.c:208 is untested logic... I can look
tomorrie |
04:51.44 |
CIA-77 |
BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r43596
10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/bot/bot.c: commit the debug
code so it's clear what's going on with the tie
integration |
04:53.07 |
``Erik_ |
should be in really early tomorrow, so I'll be
able to crank up the tunes, chill the office and be somewhat
productive |
05:38.10 |
yukonbob |
brlcad: can I squeak in a patch for
configure? |
05:38.48 |
yukonbob |
will see if still has commit
bit... |
05:54.24 |
CIA-77 |
BRL-CAD: 03bharder * r43597
10/brlcad/trunk/configure.ac: Direct use of interp->result is
deprecated; Use Tcl_GetStringResult(). |
06:05.04 |
yukonbob |
I'll look for more later... is not an
immediate problem, but will be in future. |
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06:47.18 |
brlcad |
``Erik: nod, i'll be in probably late morning
after a package arrives, but will poke at it some more with the
debugger |
06:47.41 |
brlcad |
addressing a couple other bugs at the moment
too |
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06:52.21 |
CIA-77 |
BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r43598
10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: |
06:52.21 |
CIA-77 |
BRL-CAD: bio.h header was de-netted, bin.h
added. found a few other show-stoppers, |
06:52.21 |
CIA-77 |
BRL-CAD: though. nmg is busted due to a
host/net bug. have to test tie optimization for |
06:52.21 |
CIA-77 |
BRL-CAD: release notes (as it's the major
highlight). search implements '.' so it needs |
06:52.21 |
CIA-77 |
BRL-CAD: a quick test. and finally, verify
red/ted work since tom is reporting a failure |
06:52.22 |
CIA-77 |
BRL-CAD: in .2 with red. |
07:15.15 |
brlcad |
it looks like the tclvar hook into
rt_bot_mintie isn't sticking if set from mged |
07:16.59 |
brlcad |
heh, got it to go in and it crashed |
07:17.32 |
brlcad |
(during prep) |
07:20.10 |
brlcad |
aha, possibly completely unrelated! |
07:33.36 |
brlcad |
ooor, maybe it is related.. |
07:36.53 |
yukonbob |
getting build failure on
./src/libbu/bitv.c, w/ "array subscript has type 'char'" at lines
251, 255... |
07:37.03 |
yukonbob |
also hitting hay....
ciao. |
07:44.16 |
CIA-77 |
BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r43599
10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/bot/btg.c: not sure if this is
right, but it takes care of rt bombing out with a bad matrix during
do_ae() due to zero-sized bounding box |
07:53.02 |
CIA-77 |
BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r43600
10/brlcad/trunk/src/rt/do.c: add a sanity check in case code ends
up computing an empty bounding box, so we don't bomb out during
bn_mat_inv(). make sure the viewsize is at least not
zero. |
07:53.59 |
brlcad |
that takes care of the crash and bomb, but
still no picture, reports invalid segments |
08:14.35 |
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11:28.17 |
CIA-77 |
BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r43601
10/brlcad/branches/cmake/CMakeLists.txt: New policy in 2.8.4 - we
prefer the old behavior for now |
11:31.39 |
CIA-77 |
BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r43602
10/brlcad/branches/cmake/src/other/libutahrle/ (4 files in 2 dirs):
Can't lean on the BRL-CAD checks for subdirs now - utah needs
M_LIBRARY |
11:33.40 |
CIA-77 |
BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r43603
10/brlcad/branches/cmake/ (9 files in 4 dirs): MFC r43602 |
11:36.33 |
dloman |
Merning all |
11:37.04 |
CIA-77 |
BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r43604
10/brlcad/trunk/src/rt/do.c: Comment needs terminating |
11:43.35 |
CIA-77 |
BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r43605
10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/bot/tie_kdtree.c: gentoo seems
to want cmax initialized - hopefully max is ok... |
11:45.59 |
CIA-77 |
BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r43606
10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/dsp/dsp.c: initalize points in
dsp |
11:48.07 |
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11:54.28 |
starseeker |
O.o |
11:54.34 |
starseeker |
src/librt/primitives/extrude/extrude.c: In
function ?classify_sketch_loops?: |
11:54.34 |
starseeker |
src/librt/primitives/extrude/extrude.c:394:
error: ?center2d? may be used uninitialized in this
function |
11:54.37 |
starseeker |
src/librt/primitives/extrude/extrude.c:1509:
note: ?center2d? was declared here |
11:54.39 |
starseeker |
src/librt/primitives/extrude/extrude.c:394:
error: ?rb? may be used uninitialized in this function |
11:54.42 |
starseeker |
src/librt/primitives/extrude/extrude.c:1507:
note: ?rb? was declared here |
11:54.43 |
dloman |
``Erik: Hey man, is there still a tiny proxy
running somewhere on seans box? |
11:54.45 |
starseeker |
src/librt/primitives/extrude/extrude.c:394:
error: ?ra? may be used uninitialized in this function |
11:54.48 |
starseeker |
src/librt/primitives/extrude/extrude.c:1507:
note: ?ra? was declared here |
11:54.49 |
starseeker |
that's got me puzzled |
11:55.04 |
dloman |
that is pretty wierd? |
11:55.11 |
dloman |
oops :/ |
11:56.01 |
starseeker |
unless I'm missing something, line 394 doesn't
have center2d in it |
12:02.32 |
dloman |
starseeker: in fn isect_2D_loop_ray(..) on
line 1545, isect_line_earc(..) is called and center2d is passed
in. |
12:03.25 |
dloman |
isect_line_earc(..) in turn calls
isect_line2(..), again passing in center2d |
12:03.39 |
starseeker |
but at that point... why is it reporting
uninitalized? |
12:03.45 |
dloman |
and line 394 is in
isect_line2_ellipse() |
12:04.22 |
starseeker |
I tried a V2SET on center2d right after it's
declared, and it changes nothing |
12:05.31 |
dloman |
....so that means what? center2d is
initialized? |
12:06.18 |
starseeker |
it means I don't know what to do to convince
the compiler it is initialized |
12:07.57 |
starseeker |
even better, it's only on the static
build |
12:08.05 |
starseeker |
they dynamic lib succeeds |
12:08.44 |
dloman |
nice. |
12:09.01 |
dloman |
well, outside of tracing things visually, im
of no use :) |
12:09.50 |
starseeker |
the only difference I see in the extruce.o
compile lines is the presence of -Dlibrt_EXPORTS in the dynamic
line |
12:11.01 |
starseeker |
no, that's not it... |
12:11.03 |
starseeker |
what am I missing |
12:14.24 |
``Erik |
<PROTECTED> |
12:14.29 |
starseeker |
oh -fPIC |
12:16.41 |
starseeker |
I don't believe it |
12:16.45 |
starseeker |
-fPIC is the difference |
12:16.51 |
starseeker |
why would that matter??? |
12:17.52 |
starseeker |
gcc version 4.4.5 |
12:23.14 |
``Erik |
-fPIC instructs the linker to generate
position independent code |
12:23.27 |
``Erik |
relative jmp's instead of absolute,
etc |
12:23.50 |
``Erik |
gcc -E and gcc -S might be handy if you wanna
figure it |
12:25.28 |
CIA-77 |
BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r43607
10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/nmg/nmg_misc.c: More
initializations (why doesn't VSETALL get old_pl[3]??) |
12:26.45 |
CIA-77 |
BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r43608
10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/nmg/nmg_plot.c: another
initialization |
12:27.32 |
CIA-77 |
BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r43609
10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/bot/tie_kdtree.c: force
cmin/cmax using VSETALL. This should be unnecessary, but some
compiler/OS combinations aren't smart enough to catch "int a;
if(something) a=0; else a=1;" and assume a is unset. |
12:28.15 |
CIA-77 |
BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r43610
10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/nmg/nmg_misc.c: whoops, plane
not point |
12:28.28 |
``Erik |
the amin vs min in btg.c was important,
they're different numbers :/ (actual geometric min vs fpu friendly
padding min, iirc) |
12:33.41 |
CIA-77 |
BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r43611
10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/search.c: initialize new to
NULL |
12:44.32 |
CIA-77 |
BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r43612
10/brlcad/branches/cmake/CMakeLists.txt: Hmm - how did this not
trigger before? make sure HAVE_STRINGS_H actually makes it into
brlcad_config.h |
12:54.01 |
CIA-77 |
BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r43613
10/brlcad/branches/cmake/src/librt/CMakeLists.txt: I can't believe
it, but without -fPIC in the static build possibly uninitialized
warnings appear with gcc 4.4.5 on gentoo. Only on
extrude.c |
12:58.02 |
CIA-77 |
BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r43614
10/brlcad/trunk/src/liboptical/sh_toyota.c: another
initialization |
13:02.59 |
``Erik |
hm, musta lost that in merge *sigh* |
13:05.18 |
CIA-77 |
BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r43615
10/brlcad/trunk/ (include/tie.h
src/librt/primitives/bot/tie_kdtree.c): remove obsolete kdtree
cache stuff |
13:09.38 |
CIA-77 |
BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r43616
10/brlcad/branches/cmake/src/conv/intaval/CMakeLists.txt: Use
BRLCAD_ADD_EXEC for tgf-g |
13:10.26 |
brlcad |
I'l make sure you have access to the new
server sometime this week |
13:11.02 |
brlcad |
after release is posted |
13:12.04 |
CIA-77 |
BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r43617
10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/nastran-g.c: initializations |
13:13.43 |
CIA-77 |
BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r43618
10/brlcad/trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): revive the actual min/max
(amin/amax) |
13:14.12 |
brlcad |
starseeker: zombie is back to life:
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=640802&aid=3197208&group_id=105292 |
13:18.13 |
CIA-77 |
BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r43619
10/brlcad/branches/cmake/src/conv/iges/CMakeLists.txt: Use
BRLCAD_ADDEXEC for iges |
13:21.06 |
CIA-77 |
BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r43620
10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/iges/ (conv_drawings.c trimsurf.c):
initializations for iges |
13:21.18 |
starseeker |
brlcad: oh god |
13:21.22 |
starseeker |
ok, I'll have a look |
13:26.51 |
CIA-77 |
BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r43621
10/brlcad/trunk/src/librtserver/rtserverTest.c: Quell a few
warnings - rts_clean doesn't seem to be defined anywhere |
13:31.56 |
CIA-77 |
BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r43622
10/brlcad/trunk/src/anim/anim_hardtrack.c: initializations for
anim |
13:32.09 |
CIA-77 |
BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r43623
10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/bot/btg.c: woops, point_t, not
TIE_3 |
13:36.36 |
CIA-77 |
BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r43624
10/brlcad/trunk/src/burst/grid.c: initialization for
burst |
13:37.56 |
CIA-77 |
BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r43625
10/brlcad/trunk/include/raytrace.h: set RT_DEFAULT_MINTIE to 0
(disabled) |
13:41.46 |
CIA-77 |
BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r43626
10/brlcad/trunk/src/fbed/fbed.c: initializations for fbed |
13:42.25 |
brlcad |
wishes one of his compilation
environments would have picked up those warnings |
13:42.54 |
CIA-77 |
BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r43627
10/brlcad/trunk/src/gtools/remapid.c: initialization for
remapid |
13:46.12 |
CIA-77 |
BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r43628
10/brlcad/trunk/src/shapes/picket_fence.c: initialize
matrix |
13:48.45 |
CIA-77 |
BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r43629
10/brlcad/trunk/src/util/pixborder.c: initialize for
pixborder |
13:49.14 |
starseeker |
finally. there we go |
13:50.18 |
brlcad |
~starseeker++ |
13:50.23 |
brlcad |
thanks |
13:50.53 |
starseeker |
dingnabbit. red problem confirmed |
13:55.11 |
CIA-77 |
BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r43630
10/brlcad/branches/cmake/CMakeLists.txt: Don't care about warnings
on the time delta utilties |
13:57.15 |
starseeker |
brlcad: interesting thing about those warnings
- they popped up only when I did a release build - optimizations
flags, etc |
13:57.31 |
starseeker |
(well, some of them) |
13:59.35 |
``Erik |
um, lots of funky things go on depending on
debug.. like 'HIDDEN' is "" on debug and "static" in release,
etc |
14:03.25 |
starseeker |
actually, cancel that - red problem is NOT
confirmed, with one possible exception |
14:03.36 |
starseeker |
you can't rename the region during a red
command |
14:03.43 |
starseeker |
other than that, I have success using it
here |
14:05.43 |
starseeker |
IIRC, I decided not to allow changing the
object name during a red - it complicated things a bit |
14:07.08 |
brlcad |
starseeker: heh, I just saw yesterday's commit
-- didn't realize that you just deleted all of those variables
:) |
14:07.53 |
``Erik |
scrum ~1300 |
14:07.59 |
``Erik |
er, ~1330 |
14:08.07 |
brlcad |
if it can't be changed, it should probably not
be in the file ... or it should allow it ;) |
14:08.27 |
brlcad |
otherwise people are going to try |
14:08.51 |
brlcad |
shouldn't be too hard to allow, just keep a
copy before and after |
14:08.59 |
starseeker |
ugh |
14:09.00 |
brlcad |
apply edits to old, and if name changed,
rename |
14:10.26 |
brlcad |
interesting approach to search "." .. I think
I like it |
14:18.54 |
starseeker |
brlcad: adding renaming support will take a
little time - is that something you want prior to
release? |
14:22.37 |
starseeker |
brlcad: if you decide search looks good we can
nuke the TODO item for that particular tweak and update NEWS - I
was waiting until I was sure it was "done" |
14:25.07 |
starseeker |
saddles up |
14:40.55 |
brlcad |
starseeker: if it works, then that's stable
for release -- but would you follow up with tom to see if that's
what he was running into? |
14:41.45 |
brlcad |
the search todo is my action to look at since
I had that particular request |
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CIA-77 |
BRL-CAD: 03tbrowder2 * r43631
10/brlcad/trunk/src/tab/script.l: eliminate unused function
warning |
15:55.28 |
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16:33.41 |
starseeker |
brlcad: I thought I emailed him for more
details, but I see it didn't pop up... |
16:34.29 |
starseeker |
huh - sent over 2 hours ago |
16:43.04 |
CIA-77 |
BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r43632
10/brlcad/branches/cmake/ (21 files in 17 dirs): MFC
-r43631 |
16:46.58 |
CIA-77 |
BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r43633
10/brlcad/branches/cmake/CMakeLists.txt: Lovely - check cmake
version before we set CMP0017 |
16:55.18 |
starseeker |
heh: http://spacewar.oversigma.com/ |
16:55.47 |
starseeker |
also http://spacewar.oversigma.com/html5/ |
16:56.30 |
starseeker |
``Erik: whadya think, original BRL-CAD on a
PDP1 emulator in html5? :-P |
17:00.45 |
``Erik |
I don't think it ever ran on a pdp1... mebbe
an 11/70, though it might need a vax11/780 by the time it did
anything interesting |
17:01.09 |
``Erik |
um, jove appeared in the repo in '83, then mid
85 is when really basic raytracing started happening |
17:02.00 |
``Erik |
the date flag to svn up makes for some amusing
code spelunking if ya find yourself with a bit of free time
:D |
17:03.48 |
starseeker |
heh |
17:08.12 |
CIA-77 |
BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r43634
10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/nmg/nmg_plot.c: use VINIT_ZERO
macro symbol instead of {0.0, 0.0, 0.0} for point_t/vect_t. less
error-prone, less typing, and supports converion to fixed point
arithmetic down the road. |
17:08.39 |
starseeker |
brlcad: oops, sorry - there'll be a few of
those |
17:09.13 |
CIA-77 |
BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r43635
10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/nmg/nmg_misc.c: same with
HINIT_ZERO for 4D vector initialization. |
17:43.32 |
CIA-77 |
BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r43636
10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/bot/btg.c: rewrite prep to be
correct and only make one tie_push call |
18:26.59 |
CIA-77 |
BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r43637
10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/bot/tie_kdtree.c:
reincorporate some of the lost changes |
21:23.41 |
CIA-77 |
BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r43638
10/brlcad/branches/cmake/src/mged/points/CMakeLists.txt: Ugh. Go
vanilla with the cflags in points dir until it's clear what the
issue is |
21:57.55 |
starseeker |
hmm
http://www.research.ibm.com/haifa/projects/verification/fpgen/papers/plsrange.pdf |
22:02.19 |
starseeker |
http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1048200 |
22:03.19 |
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maybe we can recruit this guy :-) http://johnsogg.blogspot.com/2011_01_01_archive.html |
22:16.12 |
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http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.112.3073 |
22:18.41 |
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http://code.google.com/p/sketchsolve/ |
22:28.59 |
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hah, cool - not related directly to geometric
constrants but possibly useful for other things: http://adaptagrams.sourceforge.net/ |
22:38.04 |
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reflects that the constraint
system is going to require some paper diving... |
22:42.20 |
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hmm http://www.cs.purdue.edu/homes/cmh/electrobook/intro.html |
23:16.50 |
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BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r43639
10/brlcad/branches/cmake/src/conv/step/CMakeLists.txt: Use
BRLCAD_ADDEXEC for step-g |
23:17.47 |
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BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r43640
10/brlcad/branches/cmake/src/libpc/CMakeLists.txt: Yes boost, we
know, be quiet already |
23:21.03 |
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BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r43641
10/brlcad/branches/cmake/ (5 files in 3 dirs): |
23:21.03 |
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BRL-CAD: Rework handling of compile flags - no
longer setting strict flags at the |
23:21.03 |
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BRL-CAD: individual target levels, since
BRL-CAD is going fully strict. There are a few |
23:21.03 |
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BRL-CAD: local overrides for issues not yet
resolved, but the default will now be that |
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BRL-CAD: anything new automatically gets the
struct flags with all warnings unless |
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BRL-CAD: options are turned off. |
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BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r43642
10/brlcad/branches/cmake/misc/CMake/test_srcs/time.c.in: Add the
zero for day, not just month. |
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